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Re: RMC

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

I talked with Bill Schaumburg yesterday. He is preparing a review for one of my products for a future issue. I also received my courtesy copy of the April issue. - Al Westerfield

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Re: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie60150adb.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie50154adb.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie50107.jpg

Confirming your ERIE listing. Not sure of the date when these covers came into use, but my
impression is around '56 or so.

SGL

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:18 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com; STEEL@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

Folks;

What railroads do you know of that had cars equipped with skids & covers for
coiled steel sheet shipment? I am most interested in cars equipped with
skids & covers, not purpose-built "coil cars".

I do know that NKP, B&O, Erie, P&WV, URR, DT&I, and PRR had their own
versions, and would be very interested in anyone knew of sources for photos
of these cars, also.

Do you know what dates these might have been put on a specific road? I
already know some of the history of their development; I am trying to flesh
out the magnitude of this service being offered by the RRs, and the details
on each car.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

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Re: Assistance Needed

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "A. Premo" <armprem@> wrote:

I am currently in the process of attempting to build a Rock Island
double sheathed boxcar.The plans are silent as to the location of "Rock
Island".My question is,just where is it supposed to be located?Right or left
of the door.Admittedly,I am not too familiar with the Rock Island Line even
though "it's a mighty fine road.".Armand Premo

On page 34 of "The Postwar Freight Car Fleet" by Kline and Culotta there is a photo of RI 157435, a USRA DS boxcar. It has "Rock Island" to the left of the door, above the reporting marks.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Freight cars equipped with covers.

water.kresse@...
 

That is correct.  The coils were not even wrapped in paper in many cases.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 9:28:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re:Freight cars equipped with  covers.

Al Kresset wrote:
In the late-50s the C&O started experimenting with gons with wooden  
skided troughs for smaller steel coils (48" diameter or so) . . . On  
thicker guages they might ship the steel coils less any covers . . .  
just separated by blocks of wood.
      The thicker gauge material is largely hot-rolled and will  
ordinarily see further processing, thus less concern about scratches,  
dents and rust. Any gauge near final use thickness will be shipped  
with protection.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Freight cars equipped with covers.

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Kresset wrote:
In the late-50s the C&O started experimenting with gons with wooden skided troughs for smaller steel coils (48" diameter or so) . . . On thicker guages they might ship the steel coils less any covers . . . just separated by blocks of wood.
The thicker gauge material is largely hot-rolled and will ordinarily see further processing, thus less concern about scratches, dents and rust. Any gauge near final use thickness will be shipped with protection.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: RMC

James Fellows
 

April

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April or May ?A.Premo
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Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RMC

> It's out, a friend of mine picked up an issue earlier this week in Ohio.
> I have not seen an issue in New Hampshire yet.
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Re: Freight cars equipped with covers.

water.kresse@...
 

In the late-50s the C&O started experimenting with gons with wooden skided troughs for smaller steel coils (48" diameter or so).  These had various canvass (yes) and steel covers.  The unions crane operators wouldn't remove and properly stow the cavass covers like todays truck drivers do, so crane removed steel covers became the standard . . . . and they helped to lose more business for the railroads.  On thicker guages they might ship the steel coils less any covers . . . just separated by blocks of wood.



Al Kresse

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From: "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@verizon.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:08:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re:Freight cars equipped with  covers.

From my 1961 ORER (probably also relevant to pre-1961 traffic), some
non-steel, non-tin, GBR/GBSR cargoes:

NYC - GBSR, aluminum billets
SOU - GBSR, aluminum and steel mill products
C&O - GBR, Army tank engines
NKP - GBSR, special loading
ATSF - GBR, AEC material

There were several GBSRs that were used for coils on pallets.

KL


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From: Allen Rueter

Besides cut steel sheet/Tin plate, what else is transported in covered gons,
after WWII, in the mid west.
I'm more curious about covered low side gons, that seems to low, for coiled
steel.
(or were coils laid on their sides, eye to the sky)


Re: RMC

armprem
 

Thank you Tony.Armand P

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From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RMC


A. Premo wrote:
Any news on RMC?
It's fine, Armand. I've checked with people at Carstens, whole
problem was a one-off, or so they believe. Printing is completed, I
understand.


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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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Re: RMC

armprem
 

April or May ?A.Premo

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From: "James Fellows" <jamesfellows@comcast.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RMC


It's out, a friend of mine picked up an issue earlier this week in Ohio. I have not seen an issue in New Hampshire yet.

Jim Fellows
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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:29 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RMC


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Re: Freight cars equipped with covers.

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

From my 1961 ORER (probably also relevant to pre-1961 traffic), some non-steel, non-tin, GBR/GBSR cargoes:

NYC - GBSR, aluminum billets
SOU - GBSR, aluminum and steel mill products
C&O - GBR, Army tank engines
NKP - GBSR, special loading
ATSF - GBR, AEC material

There were several GBSRs that were used for coils on pallets.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Rueter

Besides cut steel sheet/Tin plate, what else is transported in covered gons,
after WWII, in the mid west.
I'm more curious about covered low side gons, that seems to low, for coiled steel.
(or were coils laid on their sides, eye to the sky)


Re: RMC

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

A. Premo wrote:
Any news on RMC?
It's fine, Armand. I've checked with people at Carstens, whole problem was a one-off, or so they believe. Printing is completed, I understand.


Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: RMC

James Fellows
 

It's out, a friend of mine picked up an issue earlier this week in Ohio. I have not seen an issue in New Hampshire yet.

Jim Fellows

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From: A. Premo
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:29 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RMC


Any news on RMC?Armand Premo


RMC

armprem
 

Any news on RMC?Armand Premo


Re: Mold release...

prgm_mgr
 

Hi Jack
I use a fresh piece of evergreen styrene - what ever scrap I have on hand. I cast with alumilite. I can usually get 10 or more castings before it begins to stick and I turn it over or use another place. Be sure to let it cure a bit before trying to remove it from the styrene. If it's thin enough you can flex it to remove the part.

FYI clear plexiglass does not work - Sticks like crazy!
Mark


Wabash Boxcar in Atlanta, IL

railsnw1 <railsnw@...>
 

Nice display of a grain elevator and single sheathed Wabash boxcar.

http://rypn.sunserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=27262

Richard Wilkens


Re: Assistance Needed

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "A. Premo" <armprem@...> wrote:

I am currently in the process of attempting to build a Rock Island
double sheathed boxcar.The plans are silent as to the location of "Rock
Island".My question is,just where is it supposed to be located?Right or left
of the door.Admittedly,I am not too familiar with the Rock Island Line even
though "it's a mighty fine road.".Armand Premo

Armand,

The 1931 Carbuilders has photos of a Rock Island #142000 series
40 ft. boxcar, a #160000 series 40 ft. auto car and a #264000 series
50 ft. auto car. While all three of these are single sheathed they
are all lettered in the same way. Thus I wonder if the lettering arrangement might be the same foru your double sheathed car. On all three of these there is the usual white line surmountiong the "R.I."
and antoehr underneath the car number, all to the left of the door.
In each case the "Rock Island" is above these reporting marks. The
two auto cars each have the word "automoble" to the right of the
doors, while the right side is bare except for the dimensional data
on the plain #142000 series boxcar.

Perhaps this will be of some help, Don Valentine


"Pacific HO" mechanical reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

Just FYI, I was researching photos to try to pick out the
most appropriate paint scheme for my kitbash and I think I
have found the EXACT prototype for this model:

-- BREX series 120-149 built by FGE in 1953

The model also appears to exactly match FGEX 150, but I do
not have any roster information for the Fruit Growers car.

In addition, the Wright Trak model is a slightly different
car, which is good news if you like variety...

Tim O'Connor


Re: Move to Santa Fe country

brianehni <behni@...>
 

Amen to that; my move to Tennessee 20 years ago has not caused me to shift focus to the CSX, NS, or any of their predecessor lines. I remain focused on what I started with: the Rock Island, with subsidiary interest in other Texas lines.

Brian Ehni

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Santa what?? I'm racking my brain but I can't quite place that
name. Wasn't that some little, insignificant railroad out in the
desert wastelands somewhere? Run by some guy named Harvey?

Gene, stick with what you know! You can take yourself out of
the midwest but you may find it hard to take the midwest out
of your memories.

Tim O'Connor


At 4/1/2009 10:12 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
On Apr 1, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Gene Green wrote:
Sometime this year we will move to Belen, New Mexico which is
strictly Santa Fe country. Will I have to throw away all my M&StL
stuff and buy all Santa Fe equipment?
Yes, of course. But think of what you'll get as a trade-off. Since
Belen was the western end of the Pecos Division, you'll need both
2-10-4s and 4-8-4s of a size and elegance that the M&StL never
imagined, as well as (depending on the date you model) big brawny
3800 class 2-10-2s, freight FTs, and passenger F-3s in Warbonnet P/
L. You'll also need a bunch of map/slogan reefers and box cars and
some Caswell gondolas, all readily available in HO. You won't need
to model the Super Chief, El Cap, etc. but you will need the Grand
Canyon and the Scout, so lotsa heavyweight passenger equipment. If
that all seems like too much, you could model the El Paso district
from Belen south, with a lot of freight traffic but only one
passenger train each way (#13-14). And you can draw on the resources
of a large and very active historical society. Of course, you can
still keep some M&StL freight cars, as those traveled widely in
interchange. Welcome to big time class 1 railroading!

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Move to Santa Fe country

Tim O'Connor
 

Santa what?? I'm racking my brain but I can't quite place that
name. Wasn't that some little, insignificant railroad out in the
desert wastelands somewhere? Run by some guy named Harvey?

Gene, stick with what you know! You can take yourself out of
the midwest but you may find it hard to take the midwest out
of your memories.

Tim O'Connor

At 4/1/2009 10:12 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
On Apr 1, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Gene Green wrote:
Sometime this year we will move to Belen, New Mexico which is
strictly Santa Fe country. Will I have to throw away all my M&StL
stuff and buy all Santa Fe equipment?
Yes, of course. But think of what you'll get as a trade-off. Since
Belen was the western end of the Pecos Division, you'll need both
2-10-4s and 4-8-4s of a size and elegance that the M&StL never
imagined, as well as (depending on the date you model) big brawny
3800 class 2-10-2s, freight FTs, and passenger F-3s in Warbonnet P/
L. You'll also need a bunch of map/slogan reefers and box cars and
some Caswell gondolas, all readily available in HO. You won't need
to model the Super Chief, El Cap, etc. but you will need the Grand
Canyon and the Scout, so lotsa heavyweight passenger equipment. If
that all seems like too much, you could model the El Paso district
from Belen south, with a lot of freight traffic but only one
passenger train each way (#13-14). And you can draw on the resources
of a large and very active historical society. Of course, you can
still keep some M&StL freight cars, as those traveled widely in
interchange. Welcome to big time class 1 railroading!

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Move to Santa Fe country

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 1, 2009, at 6:51 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:
NO, go and evangelize, show them the true way...



Evangelize for the M&StL? Don't we have enough weird cults already?

Richard Hendrickson

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