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Re: Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 3, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Andy Sperandeo wrote:
Hello Rob,

I can help with the Santa Fes.

ATSF 5763, Fe-13 50-foot automobile & furniture boxcar (steel,
rebuilt 1937)
ATSF 9166, Fe-28 50-foot automobile & furniture boxcar (1948)
ATSF 32527, Bx-13 40-foot boxcar (single sheathed, 1931)
ATSF 52056, Sk-L 40-foot stock car (single deck, 1910, only 92 of
this series left in '56!)
ATSF 164240, Ga-103 65-foot mill gondola (1958)












Andy's post beat me to the draw here, but I will add that ATSF 32527,
though it was indeed a Bx-13 class box car, wasn't single sheathed by
the late 1950s. In the early 1950s, all of the surviving Bx-13s were
rebuilt with AAR-design all steel bodies and diagonal panel roofs,
using their original ends, underframes and trucks. They were then
renumbered into the 32500-33484 series.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

GN 53582 and 53996 are 1925 vintage 36' stock cars, no HO scale model available yet. The 58663 is very similar, built 1926.

GN 58298 is a Pullman stock car built 1922, 36'10 IL. No HO model available.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Erickson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:20 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957


Group, I have been trying to identify cars that were listed in a conductor's train consist notes. These notes were once posted on the Toledo West website. The dates are from November 1955 through September 1957.

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:

ACL 56063 O-?

A&D 2011

ATSF 5763
ATSF 9166
ATSF 32527
ATSF 52056
ATSF 164240

CGW 910
CGW 4820

CMO 5011
CMO 5031

CNW 1927
CNW 3269
CNW 3318
CNW 46251
CNW 68850
CNW 151244

DC ? 29575 (listed as a reefer)

DSR ? 11177 (listed as a boxcar)

GCX 1501

GM&O 86592

GN 53582
GN 53996
GN 58298
GN 58663

GTW 146134

LBAX ? 3826 (listed as a reefer)

LS&BC 1001

MILW 36056
MILW 47283
MILW 49418
MILW 87108
MILW 89651
MILW 109651

MKT 91321

MP 10329
MP 25894

N&W 83144 HM H-?
N&W 83472 HM H-?
N&W 83677 HM H-?
N&W 83723 HM H-?

RI 174

SFRD 2034
SFRD 2096
SFRD 3177

SLSF 60265

SOO 17473

SP&S X-98 TM

SR 4720
SR 60533
SR 69293

TCC ? 51089 (listed as a boxcar)

T&P 103
T&P 30348

USAX 16415 TM

VGN 30401

WFEX 827

Any assistance in identifying these cars and possible HO scale candidates to model them would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Rob Erickson
(hoping to get this dang OCD about these consist lists under control)





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Re: Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Hello Rob,

I can help with the Santa Fes.

ATSF 5763, Fe-13 50-foot automobile & furniture boxcar (steel, rebuilt 1937)
ATSF 9166, Fe-28 50-foot automobile & furniture boxcar (1948)
ATSF 32527, Bx-13 40-foot boxcar (single sheathed, 1931)
ATSF 52056, Sk-L 40-foot stock car (single deck, 1910, only 92 of this series left in '56!)
ATSF 164240, Ga-103 65-foot mill gondola (1958)

So long,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Rob Erickson <pattirobpatti@...>
 

Group, I have been trying to identify cars that were listed in a conductor's train consist notes. These notes were once posted on the Toledo West website. The dates are from November 1955 through September 1957.

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:

ACL 56063 O-?

A&D 2011

ATSF 5763
ATSF 9166
ATSF 32527
ATSF 52056
ATSF 164240

CGW 910
CGW 4820

CMO 5011
CMO 5031

CNW 1927
CNW 3269
CNW 3318
CNW 46251
CNW 68850
CNW 151244

DC ? 29575 (listed as a reefer)

DSR ? 11177 (listed as a boxcar)

GCX 1501

GM&O 86592

GN 53582
GN 53996
GN 58298
GN 58663

GTW 146134

LBAX ? 3826 (listed as a reefer)

LS&BC 1001

MILW 36056
MILW 47283
MILW 49418
MILW 87108
MILW 89651
MILW 109651

MKT 91321

MP 10329
MP 25894

N&W 83144 HM H-?
N&W 83472 HM H-?
N&W 83677 HM H-?
N&W 83723 HM H-?

RI 174

SFRD 2034
SFRD 2096
SFRD 3177

SLSF 60265

SOO 17473

SP&S X-98 TM

SR 4720
SR 60533
SR 69293

TCC ? 51089 (listed as a boxcar)

T&P 103
T&P 30348

USAX 16415 TM

VGN 30401

WFEX 827

Any assistance in identifying these cars and possible HO scale candidates to model them would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Rob Erickson
(hoping to get this dang OCD about these consist lists under control)


Re: Underbody Detail Handout

Jack Burgess
 

Will someone who has, or has access to, my handout on underbody
detail see if I included the foundation brake gear for a caboose
that has a hand brake on each end? If I didn't include that I
surely should have.
I don't see it covered in your handout...


Can someone tell me how to find my presentation on the internet?
It is on the Yahoo site under the Files section. Go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/

and click on Files. If the Files link doesn't seem to get you anywhere,
you'll need to log in (usually, this is automatic)...there is a link on the
left side of the page to allow you to log in if nothing else works. Your
handout is about halfway down the page in the Files section.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Dumb Sunshine ordering question

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Yep, got that mailing also, but I won't, and most of the kits I desire are
older, not ones Martin normally brings to shows now.
Brian
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 01:49:27 -0400 (EDT), tmolsen wrote

Brian,

Martin will be at Timonium this weekend (4-4 and 4-5).

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479


Underbody Detail Handout

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Will someone who has, or has access to, my handout on underbody detail see if I included the foundation brake gear for a caboose that has a hand brake on each end? If I didn't include that I surely should have.

There was a recent question on that topic and I was about to refer the gentleman to my handout - it is, I understand, available somewhere on the internet - but realized I don't remember whether the answer to his question was in the handout or not.

Can someone tell me how to find my presentation on the internet?

As most of you know my computer (used to be dog in the pre-computer days) ate my homework. At the NMRA convention in Toronto my computer somehow destroyed the presentation before our eyes as I was trying to put on the underbody detail clinic.

I have the intention, if not the git-up-and-go, to revise and reissue the handout. There are some recent new developments that ought to be included even though they are outside the time span of this group. I have found better ways to present some of the information.

Gene Green
Lonely M&StL waif in Santa Fe country


Re: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

water.kresse@...
 

About the same time as the C&O was experimenting with skid shock absorbers and cover shapes at their Wyoming Shops in Grand Rapids.



Thanks for sharing the images.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 10:42:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [STMFC] RE: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie60150adb.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie50154adb.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie50107.jpg

Confirming your ERIE listing.  Not sure of the date when these covers came into use, but my
impression is around '56 or so.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:18 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com; STEEL@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

Folks;

What railroads do you know of that had cars equipped with skids & covers for
coiled steel sheet shipment? I am most interested in cars equipped with
skids & covers, not purpose-built "coil cars".

I do know that NKP, B&O, Erie, P&WV, URR, DT&I, and PRR had their own
versions, and would be very interested in anyone knew of sources for photos
of these cars, also.

Do you know what dates these might have been put on a specific road? I
already know some of the history of their development; I am trying to flesh
out the magnitude of this service being offered by the RRs, and the details
on each car.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

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Re: Wabash Boxcar in Atlanta, IL

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "railsnw1" <railsnw@...> wrote:

Nice display of a grain elevator and single sheathed Wabash boxcar.

http://rypn.sunserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=27262


What a super boxcar restoration and display but a double door auto car for shipping grain???? Was this a "common practice"??

Don Valentine


Re: Dumb Sunshine ordering question

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Brian,

I've ordered both ways and Martin has always been glad to hold my check, eventually cash it, and eventually ship whatever I had ordered.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian J Carlson
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:10 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Dumb Sunshine ordering question


This is a dumb question but based on the recent emails regarding sunshine I
want to send an order in now. Since to date I have always bought directly
from Martin at Timonium or Naperville, (Or had others buy me stuff) I
haven't ordered directly. Can I write down the kit numbers I want, with the
new prices and send a check, or do I have to use the info sheets/order forms
collected at various shows and from Jim Hayes' site?
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Dumb Sunshine ordering question

tmolsen@...
 

Brian,

Martin will be at Timonium this weekend (4-4 and 4-5).

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479


Re: Dumb Sunshine ordering question

tyesac@...
 

Brian,

Both ways have worked for me.? If you specifiy your own list of kits by kit number, be sure to include the car description.? I'd also recommend you list possible substitutions if logically possible.? Then prepare to wait!

Tom Casey


Can I write down the kit numbers I want, with the
new prices and send a check, or do I have to use the info sheets/order forms
collected at various shows and from Jim Hayes' site?
Brian J Carlson P.E.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian J Carlson <brian@bluemoon.net>
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:10 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Dumb Sunshine ordering question






This is a dumb question but based on the recent emails regarding sunshine I
want to send an order in now. Since to date I have always bought directly
from Martin at Timonium or Naperville, (Or had others buy me stuff) I
haven't ordered directly. Can I write down the kit numbers I want, with the
new prices and send a check, or do I have to use the info sheets/order forms
collected at various shows and from Jim Hayes' site?
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Dumb Sunshine ordering question

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

This is a dumb question but based on the recent emails regarding sunshine I
want to send an order in now. Since to date I have always bought directly
from Martin at Timonium or Naperville, (Or had others buy me stuff) I
haven't ordered directly. Can I write down the kit numbers I want, with the
new prices and send a check, or do I have to use the info sheets/order forms
collected at various shows and from Jim Hayes' site?
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: RMC

Bob McCarthy
 

--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Andy Miller <aslmmiller@rcn.com> wrote:

From: Andy Miller <aslmmiller@rcn.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RMC
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 3:41 AM






It was on the counter at my LHS today, but I still have not yet received my subscription copy in the mail.

Andy Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RMC

A. Premo wrote:
Any news on RMC?
It's fine, Armand. I've checked with people at Carstens, whole
problem was a one-off, or so they believe. Printing is completed, I
understand.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: RMC

Andy Miller <aslmmiller@...>
 

It was on the counter at my LHS today, but I still have not yet received my subscription copy in the mail.

Andy Miller

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RMC


A. Premo wrote:
> Any news on RMC?

It's fine, Armand. I've checked with people at Carstens, whole
problem was a one-off, or so they believe. Printing is completed, I
understand.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: RMC

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

I talked with Bill Schaumburg yesterday. He is preparing a review for one of my products for a future issue. I also received my courtesy copy of the April issue. - Al Westerfield

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Re: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie60150adb.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie50154adb.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie50107.jpg

Confirming your ERIE listing. Not sure of the date when these covers came into use, but my
impression is around '56 or so.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:18 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com; STEEL@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

Folks;

What railroads do you know of that had cars equipped with skids & covers for
coiled steel sheet shipment? I am most interested in cars equipped with
skids & covers, not purpose-built "coil cars".

I do know that NKP, B&O, Erie, P&WV, URR, DT&I, and PRR had their own
versions, and would be very interested in anyone knew of sources for photos
of these cars, also.

Do you know what dates these might have been put on a specific road? I
already know some of the history of their development; I am trying to flesh
out the magnitude of this service being offered by the RRs, and the details
on each car.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

._,___










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Re: Assistance Needed

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "A. Premo" <armprem@> wrote:

I am currently in the process of attempting to build a Rock Island
double sheathed boxcar.The plans are silent as to the location of "Rock
Island".My question is,just where is it supposed to be located?Right or left
of the door.Admittedly,I am not too familiar with the Rock Island Line even
though "it's a mighty fine road.".Armand Premo

On page 34 of "The Postwar Freight Car Fleet" by Kline and Culotta there is a photo of RI 157435, a USRA DS boxcar. It has "Rock Island" to the left of the door, above the reporting marks.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Freight cars equipped with covers.

water.kresse@...
 

That is correct.  The coils were not even wrapped in paper in many cases.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 9:28:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re:Freight cars equipped with  covers.

Al Kresset wrote:
In the late-50s the C&O started experimenting with gons with wooden  
skided troughs for smaller steel coils (48" diameter or so) . . . On  
thicker guages they might ship the steel coils less any covers . . .  
just separated by blocks of wood.
      The thicker gauge material is largely hot-rolled and will  
ordinarily see further processing, thus less concern about scratches,  
dents and rust. Any gauge near final use thickness will be shipped  
with protection.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Freight cars equipped with covers.

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Kresset wrote:
In the late-50s the C&O started experimenting with gons with wooden skided troughs for smaller steel coils (48" diameter or so) . . . On thicker guages they might ship the steel coils less any covers . . . just separated by blocks of wood.
The thicker gauge material is largely hot-rolled and will ordinarily see further processing, thus less concern about scratches, dents and rust. Any gauge near final use thickness will be shipped with protection.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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