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Re: CB&Q #33521 Boxcar Kirksville Missouri MO vintage photo

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Gene

The first CB&Q cars painted in Chinese red were #625000-63999 class XM-32F box cars, with #62500 being built at Havelock in January 1958. #33521 was a XM-32 boxcar built at Havelock in 1942.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Green" <bierglaeser@yahoo.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 12:27 PM
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q #33521 Boxcar Kirksville Missouri MO vintage photo


This photo of a Burlington box car is being offered on eBay.

CB&Q #33521 Boxcar Kirksville Missouri MO vintage photo Item number: 350185585650 Professional quality 3.5x5 vintage black and white photo of the CB&Q #33521 boxcar Built in April of 1942. Red with white letters, red white and black herald. Photo taken in Kirksville, Missouri on February 17, 1960.

I model 1950. Do I understand correctly that the car might fit 1950 but the bright red paint scheme came after 1950?

Gene Green



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CB&Q #33521 Boxcar Kirksville Missouri MO vintage photo

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

This photo of a Burlington box car is being offered on eBay.

CB&Q #33521 Boxcar Kirksville Missouri MO vintage photo Item number: 350185585650 Professional quality 3.5x5 vintage black and white photo of the CB&Q #33521 boxcar Built in April of 1942. Red with white letters, red white and black herald. Photo taken in Kirksville, Missouri on February 17, 1960.

I model 1950. Do I understand correctly that the car might fit 1950 but the bright red paint scheme came after 1950?

Gene Green


Re: Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Tim O'Connor
 

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:
ACL 56063 O-?
Definitely a 40' double door car, 10'4"IH, 80k capacity.
My guess: a rebuilt car but I have no photo or other data
other than a partial shot of a rebuilt car but no number
can be seen.

A&D 2011
I have two photos of rebuilt A&D box cars (2148,2247) but not
from this series (2001-2035). Again I guess it's a rebuilt car,
10'0"IH and 80k cap.

CGW 910
A "modern" 50' double door box car, built in 1956. Photos in the
Morning Sun CGW Color Guide. Model with Branchline's kit, but
the photos are not the original paint scheme.

CGW 4820
Definitely one of the "1930 ARA" cars, indicated by 8'7"IH and
other dimensions. In 1959 all of these cars (4800-4894) were
assigned to hide loading only. Use Red Caboose, or resin kit.

CMO 5011
CMO 5031
No such number series in 1955-1959. Probable typo: 50000-50199
were two bay 50 ton open hoppers. I think the Athearn or Kadee
cars (one of them) is correct.

That's all for now, I hope it helps.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Underbody Detail Handout

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Thanks to Guy Wilbur, Ron Christensen, Jack Burgess, and Doug Harding for responding. It has been a long time since I have seen the handout. It does need some updating and improvements and the photos need to be improved. Can't promise when but my intentions are the best.

Gene Green


Re: Underbody Detail Handout

Jack Burgess
 

That is a much better copy Doug...thanks for doing this.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: RMC

Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
 

April issue was in local hobby shop (Chelmsford, MA) this afternoon.
Norm Larkin

----- Original Message -----
From: Westerfield
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RMC


I talked with Bill Schaumburg yesterday. He is preparing a review for one of my products for a future issue. I also received my courtesy copy of the April issue. - Al Westerfield
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Re: Move to Santa Fe country

Jerry <jrs060@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Gene, stick with what you know! You can take yourself out of
the midwest but you may find it hard to take the midwest out
of your memories.

Tim O'Connor
Mr. O'Connor, this is a point well taken that we all should endeavor to
understand about our modeling and motivations. Most of Santa Fe steam
was quite ugly, with archaic looking cabs, and a stack made literally from
a piece of cast iron sewer pipe! I would find it hard to conceive that Gene
could forsake his beloved M&StL 2-8-2s for somthing like that. The M&StL
had a lovable charismatic charm all it's own--- indeed the very reason why
one would choose the railroad to model. Perhaps he would reconsider his
decision.

Happiness in Modeling, Jerry Stewart

Woodstock, Ill.


Re: Underbody Detail Handout

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Gene, I have a copy of your handout, and did the original scan over three years ago. That scan was too large to post or email,
some 32mb in size. It was available for one month on a website which hosted large files, and most members downloaded from that
site. Then we discovered a page had been skipped. The copy in the STMFC files was a bad attempt at reducing the size of the file
using a different program, and it did not do your work justice.

Today I rescanned the handout, using newer technology in better machine. The new pdf file came in at 3.2mb in size, much more
manageable, and readable. I have posted it to the group files and deleted the old file. Look for "Freight Car Underbody
Detail.pdf" in the group files.

Enjoy.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Storzek" <destorzek@...> wrote:

SOO 17473
I believe you have a typo / missing digit here.

Further, it might be worth noting that the Soo commonly didn't use their assigned reporting mark on cars until the eighties. Prior to that, they used their name; to quote the 1/58 ORER, "The freight cars of this company are marked "M.St.P.& S.S.M.R.R.Co." and "Soo Line"..." So, it's entirely possible that whoever made the list abbreviated it SOO L or Soo l, which would be where the extra diget one came from.

I bet it's Soo Line 7473. It would have been a 40' gon with a spiral end, IIRC.

Dennis


PFE Pacific Freight Enterprises

dphobbies
 

Does anyone have a current address for Terry Wegman, the chap that does the PFE Reefer?

Thanks,
Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines


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Re: Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Ed Hawkins
 

Eric, I can help on a few. I believe several numbers have been
incorrectly identified.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

On Apr 3, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Rob Erickson wrote:

Group, I have been trying to identify cars that were listed in a
conductor's train consist notes. These notes were once posted on the
Toledo West website. The dates are from November 1955 through
September 1957.

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:

GM&O 86592
No such number. Possibly 80592. If so, a 1958 cu. ft. covered hopper
built ACF 1950, lot 3460

MKT 91321
40' box series 91001-91500, ACF 6-50, lot 3459 (ACF 4-4 proprietary
ends)

MP 10329
No such number during this time period.

MP 25894
No such number during this time period.

T&P 103
No such number during this time period.

T&P 30348
Originally a single-sheathed auto car built Pressed Steel 10-29 from
series 61000-61524, rebuilt between 1942-1953 with steel sheathing and
single doors with 6' wide openings and renumbered 30000-30632.


Re: Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Storzek" <destorzek@...> wrote:

SOO 17000 - 17998 were 34' 4" sixty ton cars built sometime around 1900. I doubt any were still in service in the fifties. However, this series was even numbers only, so that's not it.
Drat! I meant 30 ton, 60,000 pounds capacity.

Dennis


Re: Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Thanks for the correction, Richard. I often get fuzzy about that "futuristic" stuff beyond my 1947 event horizon. - Andy


Re: Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Erickson" <pattirobpatti@...> wrote:

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:


SOO 17473
I believe you have a typo / missing digit here.

SOO 17000 - 17998 were 34' 4" sixty ton cars built sometime around 1900. I doubt any were still in service in the fifties. However, this series was even numbers only, so that's not it.

There is no 174000 series, so it doesn't appear to be a missing last digit.

There is no 17400 series using the odd numbers; the Soo had a lot of odd only and even only number series, but if the used one, they didn't use the other in the same number series.

Soo did have a series of 50 ton steel gondolas numbered 7001 - 7499 odd numbers only. These were built in 1923 and must have originally been composit cars. 178 cars were still on the roster 1-1-62. Could the number have been 7473?

Dennis


Re: Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Ian Cranstone
 

On 3-Apr-09, at 11:20 AM, Rob Erickson wrote:
Group, I have been trying to identify cars that were listed in a conductor's train consist notes. These notes were once posted on the Toledo West website. The dates are from November 1955 through September 1957.

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:

GTW 146134
50'6" steel mill gondola built by General American in 3/1954. It looks very close to my recollection of the Con-Cor gondola.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@nakina.net
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net


Re: Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 3, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Andy Sperandeo wrote:
Hello Rob,

I can help with the Santa Fes.

ATSF 5763, Fe-13 50-foot automobile & furniture boxcar (steel,
rebuilt 1937)
ATSF 9166, Fe-28 50-foot automobile & furniture boxcar (1948)
ATSF 32527, Bx-13 40-foot boxcar (single sheathed, 1931)
ATSF 52056, Sk-L 40-foot stock car (single deck, 1910, only 92 of
this series left in '56!)
ATSF 164240, Ga-103 65-foot mill gondola (1958)












Andy's post beat me to the draw here, but I will add that ATSF 32527,
though it was indeed a Bx-13 class box car, wasn't single sheathed by
the late 1950s. In the early 1950s, all of the surviving Bx-13s were
rebuilt with AAR-design all steel bodies and diagonal panel roofs,
using their original ends, underframes and trucks. They were then
renumbered into the 32500-33484 series.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

GN 53582 and 53996 are 1925 vintage 36' stock cars, no HO scale model available yet. The 58663 is very similar, built 1926.

GN 58298 is a Pullman stock car built 1922, 36'10 IL. No HO model available.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Erickson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:20 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957


Group, I have been trying to identify cars that were listed in a conductor's train consist notes. These notes were once posted on the Toledo West website. The dates are from November 1955 through September 1957.

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:

ACL 56063 O-?

A&D 2011

ATSF 5763
ATSF 9166
ATSF 32527
ATSF 52056
ATSF 164240

CGW 910
CGW 4820

CMO 5011
CMO 5031

CNW 1927
CNW 3269
CNW 3318
CNW 46251
CNW 68850
CNW 151244

DC ? 29575 (listed as a reefer)

DSR ? 11177 (listed as a boxcar)

GCX 1501

GM&O 86592

GN 53582
GN 53996
GN 58298
GN 58663

GTW 146134

LBAX ? 3826 (listed as a reefer)

LS&BC 1001

MILW 36056
MILW 47283
MILW 49418
MILW 87108
MILW 89651
MILW 109651

MKT 91321

MP 10329
MP 25894

N&W 83144 HM H-?
N&W 83472 HM H-?
N&W 83677 HM H-?
N&W 83723 HM H-?

RI 174

SFRD 2034
SFRD 2096
SFRD 3177

SLSF 60265

SOO 17473

SP&S X-98 TM

SR 4720
SR 60533
SR 69293

TCC ? 51089 (listed as a boxcar)

T&P 103
T&P 30348

USAX 16415 TM

VGN 30401

WFEX 827

Any assistance in identifying these cars and possible HO scale candidates to model them would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Rob Erickson
(hoping to get this dang OCD about these consist lists under control)





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Re: Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Hello Rob,

I can help with the Santa Fes.

ATSF 5763, Fe-13 50-foot automobile & furniture boxcar (steel, rebuilt 1937)
ATSF 9166, Fe-28 50-foot automobile & furniture boxcar (1948)
ATSF 32527, Bx-13 40-foot boxcar (single sheathed, 1931)
ATSF 52056, Sk-L 40-foot stock car (single deck, 1910, only 92 of this series left in '56!)
ATSF 164240, Ga-103 65-foot mill gondola (1958)

So long,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957

Rob Erickson <pattirobpatti@...>
 

Group, I have been trying to identify cars that were listed in a conductor's train consist notes. These notes were once posted on the Toledo West website. The dates are from November 1955 through September 1957.

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:

ACL 56063 O-?

A&D 2011

ATSF 5763
ATSF 9166
ATSF 32527
ATSF 52056
ATSF 164240

CGW 910
CGW 4820

CMO 5011
CMO 5031

CNW 1927
CNW 3269
CNW 3318
CNW 46251
CNW 68850
CNW 151244

DC ? 29575 (listed as a reefer)

DSR ? 11177 (listed as a boxcar)

GCX 1501

GM&O 86592

GN 53582
GN 53996
GN 58298
GN 58663

GTW 146134

LBAX ? 3826 (listed as a reefer)

LS&BC 1001

MILW 36056
MILW 47283
MILW 49418
MILW 87108
MILW 89651
MILW 109651

MKT 91321

MP 10329
MP 25894

N&W 83144 HM H-?
N&W 83472 HM H-?
N&W 83677 HM H-?
N&W 83723 HM H-?

RI 174

SFRD 2034
SFRD 2096
SFRD 3177

SLSF 60265

SOO 17473

SP&S X-98 TM

SR 4720
SR 60533
SR 69293

TCC ? 51089 (listed as a boxcar)

T&P 103
T&P 30348

USAX 16415 TM

VGN 30401

WFEX 827

Any assistance in identifying these cars and possible HO scale candidates to model them would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Rob Erickson
(hoping to get this dang OCD about these consist lists under control)

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