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Re: Chalk marks on freight cars
sparachuk <sparachuk@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "chrislantz@..." <chrislantz@...> wrote:
Chris: One more of applying chalk marks is with the old typewriter correcting ribbon. Use a sharp pin, like a compass point to press gently from the back. Once it's on you can smudge it with a brush or your finger to give it a worn look or wipe it more vigorously to make it look like the mere residue of a chalk mark. One thing you can't do is seal it with a solvent based finish such as Testor's Dullcote. Dullcote wipes it right out. Acrylic finishes, though, seem to do it no harm. Just a thought to add to the other ideas. Oh yeah, and don't ask where you can get correcting ribbon these days. Stephan Parachuk Toronto
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Re: SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars
thomas christensen
Ron,
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Yes, the 'The Route of Courteous Service' is the as-built scheme. Tom Christensen
--- On Thu, 4/9/09, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
I have one of these, unbuilt, but its time is probably coming soon. Is the 'courteous service' scheme as-built? Main modification I see is attaching the sill step directly to the underside of the sill (removing the tab thingie) and changing the shape of the bolster tab. The prototype's under door reinforcement is slightly longer than the model's, but I doubt I would do that. Ron Merrick Recent Activity 1 New Members 10 New FilesVisit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. .
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FW: two rail O scale train show
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ACL 31000-31599
mopacfirst
And now for the slightly similar ACL 31000 car (similar to the SAL 27000 in that Branchline used the same body for this model).
I haven't found a shot of these cars, as the ACL (like SAL) is one that I've never had enough need for to acquire a color guide and this series is not in rr-fallenflags.crg. On the model, the build date is 4-60 which means we can briefly discuss them here. Anything model-wise I should know, to modify the Branchline? Did this series have the ACL Timken trucks? Ron Merrick
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Re: Chalk marks on freight cars
Richard Hendrickson
On Apr 9, 2009, at 3:32 PM, chrislantz@... wrote:
My name is Chris Lantz, I'm new to this list. I'm looking for a way Chris, chalk markings are a recurrent topic on this list, but it's good to revisit the subject from time to time as they were an obvious detail on prototype freight cars that deserves to be modeled. The chalk markings on steam era freight cars were primarily trainmens' and switchmens' symbols used in routing or spotting cars, making up trains, indicating interchange instructions, etc. Their exact significance is now, in most cases, lost, partly because they were often part of the local lore on a particular railroad or in a particular region and, even at the time, wouldn't have been understood by trainmen on another line or in a different location, though occasionally parts of them - "spot," "hold," "load," etc. or a destination railroad's reporting marks such as "AT," "NYC," NP" can still be interpreted. Sometimes chalk markings were tallies or instructions for loading or unloading. Only occasionally were they what we would now call graffiti, though there were a few stylized personal "signatures" that became well known, such as the "Bozo Texino" image chalked on cars by a Missouri Pacific switchman (and sometimes imitated by others). Jack Burgess and Jim Hayes have already pointed you in the direction of the Sunshine decals and Clover House dry transfers for chalk markings, and those are all based on photographic evidence (the data for the Clover House set came from my own photo collection). Personally, I prefer to apply chalk markings with white (for fresh) or light gray (for older) Prismacolor artists' pencils, which are readily available at any well stocked artists' supply store. These require frequent re-sharpening and even so produce a slightly fuzzy image, which I think looks a bit more realistic than the sharp-edged decal or dry transfer images. But then, I have thousands of photos to consult for examples of typical markings so, to start with, you may want to use the commercial products. If you want to experiment with free-lancing, there are several photo books which provide lots of prototype examples, e.g.: Kline and Culotta"a "The Postwar Freight Car Fleet" (NMRA), Culotta's "Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual," Vol. 1 (Speedwitch Media), and my own "Focus on Freight Cars," Vols. 1 and 2 (also by Speedwitch). While you're at it, don't forget that steam era freight cars always had either small route cards or cleaning tags on their route card boards, unless they were standing idle, and some had warning placards (dangerous, corrosive, do not hump, etc.) on the main placard boards on both the sides and ends. All part of what I like to call the texture of realism. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars
mopacfirst
I have one of these, unbuilt, but its time is probably coming soon. Is the 'courteous service' scheme as-built?
Main modification I see is attaching the sill step directly to the underside of the sill (removing the tab thingie) and changing the shape of the bolster tab. The prototype's under door reinforcement is slightly longer than the model's, but I doubt I would do that. Ron Merrick --- In STMFC@..., thomas christensen <thomasjonly@...> wrote: <SNIP>
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Re: SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Thanks all have the info I need.
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Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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From: "thomas christensen" <thomasjonly@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars Brian, Have the following information on these cars: Trucks - ASF A-3 Ride Control Running Board - Apex 300 cars Blaw-Knox 100 cars Morton 100 cars Hand Brake - Equipco 100 cars Universal 400 cars Air Brake - WABCO 100 cars NY Airbrake 400 cars Don't know the breakdown on which car numbers had what. Hope this helps. Tom Christensen --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Brian J Carlson <brian@...> wrote: From: Brian J Carlson <brian@...> Subject: [STMFC] SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars To: stmfc@... Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 8:25 PM I built one of the Branchline 50 ft Seaboard welded side boxcars some time ago. In looking at the car this evening it bothers me that the Plano roof walk is popping off (this was before Dr Denny enlightened me to Barge Cement). While it is on the bench to be fixed, I also noticed I used code 110 wheels on the car along with the Barber S-2a trucks from Branchline. While I have the roofwalk off I wanted to confirm the Apex Tri-lok pattern is correct, and if the trucks should be Barber S-2a's. Thanks. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Chalk marks on freight cars
Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
Sunshine sells more than 30 sets of decal chalk marks, some by type of car
and some by geographic area. Go to http://www.sunshinekits.com/currentprice.html then click on Main Price List. The decals are listed on the last page. There is no shipping charge for decal only orders and you might receive them in only a month or two. But be patient. They will eventually arrive. Jim Hayes Portland Oregon www.sunshinekits.com
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Re: Chalk marks on freight cars
Jack Burgess <jack@...>
My name is Chris Lantz, I'm new to this list. I'm looking for aSome modelers apply them with a sharp white pencil but I find it easier (and more accurate) to use decals. Sunshine has a number of chalk mark decal sets, each appropriate for different regions of the US...the artwork was developed from period photos. I apply these at the same time I apply the regular decals and weather them at the same time as other weathering (not all chalk markings are fresh). Clover House also has dry transfers for chalk marks. I use these over the weathering to represent fresh chalk marks.... Jack Burgess www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
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Chalk marks on freight cars
chrislantz@att.net
My name is Chris Lantz, I'm new to this list. I'm looking for a way to apply some chalk marks to the side of my freight cars. I've seen them on cars freshly painted so it appears that they may be notes on weight, capacity etc. Also markings about defects and even just random scribblings. Any suggestions?
Chris Lantz
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Re: SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars
thomas christensen
Brian,
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Have the following information on these cars: Trucks - ASF A-3 Ride Control Running Board - Apex 300 cars Blaw-Knox 100 cars Morton 100 cars Hand Brake - Equipco 100 cars Universal 400 cars Air Brake - WABCO 100 cars NY Airbrake 400 cars Don't know the breakdown on which car numbers had what. Hope this helps. Tom Christensen
--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Brian J Carlson <brian@...> wrote:
From: Brian J Carlson <brian@...> Subject: [STMFC] SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars To: stmfc@... Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 8:25 PM I built one of the Branchline 50 ft Seaboard welded side boxcars some time ago. In looking at the car this evening it bothers me that the Plano roof walk is popping off (this was before Dr Denny enlightened me to Barge Cement). While it is on the bench to be fixed, I also noticed I used code 110 wheels on the car along with the Barber S-2a trucks from Branchline. While I have the roofwalk off I wanted to confirm the Apex Tri-lok pattern is correct, and if the trucks should be Barber S-2a's. Thanks. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars
bnpmodeler
Brian;
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While I am far from a Seaboard expert, I have the Morning Sun color guide, which has several photos of the cars you speak of (number series 27000 - 27499, that is). While not super clear, the cars in the photos do appear to have Apex running boards and Barber S-2 trucks. The trucks are easier to identify, but the running boards are less so, as I see no distinctive shadow. Also very visible on car number 27311 is a Universal handbrake, if that helps. Jim Harr Stella Scale Models www.stellascalemodels.com
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Re: New Athearn Airslide covered hopper
bnpmodeler
Mr. Welch;
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I can help you out (with one undec); I will contact you off-line about it. Jim Harr Stella Scale Models www.stellascalemodels.com
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decals needed
bill davis <billcheri72@...>
Hi all,
I'm planning to build a B&O M-26a in O scale. Does anyone know of a set of decals that can be used for the car. looking for a early to mid 40's lettering scheme. Thanks BILL
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Re: IMRC 70-ton trucks, was Erie Flats 8000+
leakinmywaders
My apologies for my previous message going on-list, was meant to send just to Andy.
Chris Frissell Polson, MT
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Re: IMRC 70-ton trucks, was Erie Flats 8000+
leakinmywaders
Andy:
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Hi, thanks for this reply. There's another InterMountain item you might be able to help me with. I've been looking for a source for their 7ft wide Improved Youngstown 5/6/6 door (for 10ft 6in IH boxcars). I think they still include this one in the PS-1 kits with 7ft doors, and it used to be separately available in their 40600-52 package of 8ft+7ft doors for the 50ft PS-1, but is no longer on the parts list. John Gilles has pointed out these 7ft InterMountain doors are the closest to ideal for the NP double sliding door 50ft boxcars, which had symmetrical matched doors of right around 7ft 8 in width. I think if you do or could stock these, I could mention it in the NPRHA Modeling Column and drum up some interest among NP buyers. I'd get a bunch. Also if you have Tahoe's new double truss cast steel sideframe truck and his 30-ton Barber-Bettendorf Swing Motion caboose truck in stock, please let me know prices, as I would like to order a few sets. I would order these either with skinny wheels or without wheelsets. When I get word back, I'll put together an order list, get your postage estimate, and send you a check. Thanks and best, Chris Frissell Polson, MT cell 406-471-3167
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Re: Off-group help request G85 TOFC's
G85's were built 1960 to 1963. Autoracks were affixed to some of
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them as early as 1960 -- both SP and ATSF are examples. Original owners include ATSF, EL, MEC, NH, NP, REA, SOO, SP, UP, WM, GPBX, NITX, GTTX, SSW, PFF (PFE). I've never been able to understand why no HO model of a G85 flat has ever been produced. G89's were then produced from 1964 onwards. Although initially developed as a follow on to the Clejan design, most owners never used them in that fashion -- SP and New Haven (and perhaps EL?) were the only serious Clejan trailer users. Tim O'Connor
At 4/8/2009 09:50 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
Peter Ness wrote:I am looking for information on G85 TOFC's ca. 1962-3 which isPeter, SP bought some G85s in 1960, which IS in scope. SInce
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Re: Off-group help request G85 TOFC's
Peter, join the MFCL or BBFCL lists. They discuss freight cars
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post 1960.
At 4/8/2009 09:29 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
I am looking for information on G85 TOFC's ca. 1962-3 which is beyond
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Re: WIMP reefer help
Richard Hendrickson
On Apr 8, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Peter Ness wrote:
I have a photo of GARX 1503, a 36' wood RSM leased to the Wimp Packing Co., a small packing house in the Chicago area named for its owner. The reweigh date on the car appears to be 1956, so that places it well within the STMFC scope. There's no way to know how many cars General American leased to Wimp, but it was probably only a small number. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: "ACF St. Louis Plant" builders stencil in white
Schuyler Larrabee
It has been a VERY long time since I've done this, but: at one time there was a graphics house I
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used professionally for printing architectural drawings that had a process whereby they could make custom dry transfers. I don't recall what the product was called, but I do believe it was available in a range of disgusting colors one would use in advertising, and also black and white. I used this to create some "S" logos for Susquehanna which were otherwise not available. I will ask the guy I worked with if a) this product is even still available (computer graphics have killed some useful products), and 2) what it was called. I'll report back if it is. SGL
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