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Re: Chalk marks on freight cars

sparachuk <sparachuk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "chrislantz@..." <chrislantz@...> wrote:

My name is Chris Lantz, I'm new to this list. I'm looking for a way to apply some chalk marks to the side of my freight cars. I've seen them on cars freshly painted so it appears that they may be notes on weight, capacity etc. Also markings about defects and even just random scribblings. Any suggestions?


Chris Lantz
Chris: One more of applying chalk marks is with the old typewriter correcting ribbon. Use a sharp pin, like a compass point to press gently from the back. Once it's on you can smudge it with a brush or your finger to give it a worn look or wipe it more vigorously to make it look like the mere residue of a chalk mark. One thing you can't do is seal it with a solvent based finish such as Testor's Dullcote. Dullcote wipes it right out. Acrylic finishes, though, seem to do it no harm. Just a thought to add to the other ideas. Oh yeah, and don't ask where you can get correcting ribbon these days.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


Re: SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars

thomas christensen
 

Ron,
 
Yes, the 'The Route of Courteous Service' is the as-built scheme.
 
Tom Christensen

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:








I have one of these, unbuilt, but its time is probably coming soon. Is the 'courteous service' scheme as-built?

Main modification I see is attaching the sill step directly to the underside of the sill (removing the tab thingie) and changing the shape of the bolster tab. The prototype's under door reinforcement is slightly longer than the model's, but I doubt I would do that.

Ron Merrick





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Rich Yoder
 

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ACL 31000-31599

mopacfirst
 

And now for the slightly similar ACL 31000 car (similar to the SAL 27000 in that Branchline used the same body for this model).

I haven't found a shot of these cars, as the ACL (like SAL) is one that I've never had enough need for to acquire a color guide and this series is not in rr-fallenflags.crg.

On the model, the build date is 4-60 which means we can briefly discuss them here. Anything model-wise I should know, to modify the Branchline? Did this series have the ACL Timken trucks?

Ron Merrick


Re: Chalk marks on freight cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 9, 2009, at 3:32 PM, chrislantz@... wrote:

My name is Chris Lantz, I'm new to this list. I'm looking for a way
to apply some chalk marks to the side of my freight cars. I've seen
them on cars freshly painted so it appears that they may be notes
on weight, capacity etc. Also markings about defects and even just
random scribblings. Any suggestions?





Chris, chalk markings are a recurrent topic on this list, but it's
good to revisit the subject from time to time as they were an obvious
detail on prototype freight cars that deserves to be modeled. The
chalk markings on steam era freight cars were primarily trainmens'
and switchmens' symbols used in routing or spotting cars, making up
trains, indicating interchange instructions, etc. Their exact
significance is now, in most cases, lost, partly because they were
often part of the local lore on a particular railroad or in a
particular region and, even at the time, wouldn't have been
understood by trainmen on another line or in a different location,
though occasionally parts of them - "spot," "hold," "load," etc. or a
destination railroad's reporting marks such as "AT," "NYC," NP" can
still be interpreted. Sometimes chalk markings were tallies or
instructions for loading or unloading. Only occasionally were they
what we would now call graffiti, though there were a few stylized
personal "signatures" that became well known, such as the "Bozo
Texino" image chalked on cars by a Missouri Pacific switchman (and
sometimes imitated by others).

Jack Burgess and Jim Hayes have already pointed you in the direction
of the Sunshine decals and Clover House dry transfers for chalk
markings, and those are all based on photographic evidence (the data
for the Clover House set came from my own photo collection).
Personally, I prefer to apply chalk markings with white (for fresh)
or light gray (for older) Prismacolor artists' pencils, which are
readily available at any well stocked artists' supply store. These
require frequent re-sharpening and even so produce a slightly fuzzy
image, which I think looks a bit more realistic than the sharp-edged
decal or dry transfer images. But then, I have thousands of photos
to consult for examples of typical markings so, to start with, you
may want to use the commercial products. If you want to experiment
with free-lancing, there are several photo books which provide lots
of prototype examples, e.g.: Kline and Culotta"a "The Postwar
Freight Car Fleet" (NMRA), Culotta's "Steam Era Freight Cars
Reference Manual," Vol. 1 (Speedwitch Media), and my own "Focus on
Freight Cars," Vols. 1 and 2 (also by Speedwitch). While you're at
it, don't forget that steam era freight cars always had either small
route cards or cleaning tags on their route card boards, unless they
were standing idle, and some had warning placards (dangerous,
corrosive, do not hump, etc.) on the main placard boards on both the
sides and ends. All part of what I like to call the texture of realism.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars

mopacfirst
 

I have one of these, unbuilt, but its time is probably coming soon. Is the 'courteous service' scheme as-built?

Main modification I see is attaching the sill step directly to the underside of the sill (removing the tab thingie) and changing the shape of the bolster tab. The prototype's under door reinforcement is slightly longer than the model's, but I doubt I would do that.

Ron Merrick


--- In STMFC@..., thomas christensen <thomasjonly@...> wrote:

Brian,
 
Have the following information on these cars:
<SNIP>
 
Tom Christensen

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Brian J Carlson <brian@...> wrote:


From: Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Subject: [STMFC] SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars
To: stmfc@...
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 8:25 PM


Re: SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Thanks all have the info I need.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas christensen" <thomasjonly@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars


Brian,

Have the following information on these cars:

Trucks - ASF A-3 Ride Control
Running Board - Apex 300 cars
Blaw-Knox 100 cars
Morton 100 cars
Hand Brake - Equipco 100 cars
Universal 400 cars
Air Brake - WABCO 100 cars
NY Airbrake 400 cars
Don't know the breakdown on which car numbers had what.
Hope this helps.

Tom Christensen

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Brian J Carlson <brian@...> wrote:


From: Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Subject: [STMFC] SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars
To: stmfc@...
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 8:25 PM








I built one of the Branchline 50 ft Seaboard welded side boxcars some time
ago. In looking at the car this evening it bothers me that the Plano roof
walk is popping off (this was before Dr Denny enlightened me to Barge
Cement). While it is on the bench to be fixed, I also noticed I used code
110 wheels on the car along with the Barber S-2a trucks from Branchline.
While I have the roofwalk off I wanted to confirm the Apex Tri-lok pattern
is correct, and if the trucks should be Barber S-2a's. Thanks.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY























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Re: Chalk marks on freight cars

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Sunshine sells more than 30 sets of decal chalk marks, some by type of car
and some by geographic area.
Go to http://www.sunshinekits.com/currentprice.html then click on Main Price
List. The decals are listed on the last page. There is no shipping charge
for decal only orders and you might receive them in only a month or two. But
be patient. They will eventually arrive.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Chalk marks on freight cars

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

My name is Chris Lantz, I'm new to this list. I'm looking for a
way to apply some chalk marks to the side of my freight cars.
I've seen them on cars freshly painted so it appears that they
may be notes on weight, capacity etc. Also markings about
defects and even just random scribblings. Any suggestions?


Chris Lantz
Some modelers apply them with a sharp white pencil but I find it easier (and
more accurate) to use decals. Sunshine has a number of chalk mark decal
sets, each appropriate for different regions of the US...the artwork was
developed from period photos. I apply these at the same time I apply the
regular decals and weather them at the same time as other weathering (not
all chalk markings are fresh). Clover House also has dry transfers for chalk
marks. I use these over the weathering to represent fresh chalk marks....

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Chalk marks on freight cars

chrislantz@att.net
 

My name is Chris Lantz, I'm new to this list. I'm looking for a way to apply some chalk marks to the side of my freight cars. I've seen them on cars freshly painted so it appears that they may be notes on weight, capacity etc. Also markings about defects and even just random scribblings. Any suggestions?


Chris Lantz


Re: SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars

thomas christensen
 

Brian,
 
Have the following information on these cars:
 
Trucks - ASF A-3 Ride Control
Running Board - Apex 300 cars
                        Blaw-Knox 100 cars
                        Morton 100 cars
Hand Brake - Equipco 100 cars
                    Universal 400 cars
Air Brake - WABCO 100 cars
                 NY Airbrake 400 cars
Don't know the breakdown on which car numbers had what.
Hope this helps.
 
Tom Christensen

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Brian J Carlson <brian@...> wrote:


From: Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Subject: [STMFC] SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars
To: stmfc@...
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 8:25 PM








I built one of the Branchline 50 ft Seaboard welded side boxcars some time
ago. In looking at the car this evening it bothers me that the Plano roof
walk is popping off (this was before Dr Denny enlightened me to Barge
Cement). While it is on the bench to be fixed, I also noticed I used code
110 wheels on the car along with the Barber S-2a trucks from Branchline.
While I have the roofwalk off I wanted to confirm the Apex Tri-lok pattern
is correct, and if the trucks should be Barber S-2a's. Thanks.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY



















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Re: SAL 27000-27499 50 boxcars

bnpmodeler
 

Brian;

While I am far from a Seaboard expert, I have the Morning Sun color guide, which has several photos of the cars you speak of (number series 27000 - 27499, that is). While not super clear, the cars in the photos do appear to have Apex running boards and Barber S-2 trucks. The trucks are easier to identify, but the running boards are less so, as I see no distinctive shadow.

Also very visible on car number 27311 is a Universal handbrake, if that helps.

Jim Harr
Stella Scale Models
www.stellascalemodels.com

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:

I built one of the Branchline 50 ft Seaboard welded side boxcars some time
ago. In looking at the car this evening it bothers me that the Plano roof
walk is popping off (this was before Dr Denny enlightened me to Barge
Cement). While it is on the bench to be fixed, I also noticed I used code
110 wheels on the car along with the Barber S-2a trucks from Branchline.
While I have the roofwalk off I wanted to confirm the Apex Tri-lok pattern
is correct, and if the trucks should be Barber S-2a's. Thanks.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: New Athearn Airslide covered hopper

bnpmodeler
 

Mr. Welch;

I can help you out (with one undec); I will contact you off-line about it.

Jim Harr
Stella Scale Models
www.stellascalemodels.com

--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <bwelch@...> wrote:

Based on a message from Central Hobby Supply, I noticed on thier site that Athearn plans to release undecorated kits in thier first run of their new Airslide model and I have ordered four. In case anyone prefers to work with undecs, I thought I should let people know about this new model.

One of my frustrations is that I did not get enough undec 3-bay PS-2's when they came out.

BYW, if anyone has any of these 3-bay PS-2's they would like to dispose of, please let me know or if you know of a cache of them somewhere.

Bill Welch


decals needed

bill davis <billcheri72@...>
 

Hi all,
I'm planning to build a B&O M-26a in O scale. Does anyone know of a set of decals that can be used for the car. looking for a early to mid 40's lettering scheme. Thanks
BILL


Re: IMRC 70-ton trucks, was Erie Flats 8000+

leakinmywaders
 

My apologies for my previous message going on-list, was meant to send just to Andy.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Re: IMRC 70-ton trucks, was Erie Flats 8000+

leakinmywaders
 

Andy:

Hi, thanks for this reply. There's another InterMountain item you might be able to help me with. I've been looking for a source for their 7ft wide Improved Youngstown 5/6/6 door (for 10ft 6in IH boxcars). I think they still include this one in the PS-1 kits with 7ft doors, and it used to be separately available in their 40600-52 package of 8ft+7ft doors for the 50ft PS-1, but is no longer on the parts list. John Gilles has pointed out these 7ft InterMountain doors are the closest to ideal for the NP double sliding door 50ft boxcars, which had symmetrical matched doors of right around 7ft 8 in width. I think if you do or could stock these, I could mention it in the NPRHA Modeling Column and drum up some interest among NP buyers. I'd get a bunch.

Also if you have Tahoe's new double truss cast steel sideframe truck and his 30-ton Barber-Bettendorf Swing Motion caboose truck in stock, please let me know prices, as I would like to order a few sets. I would order these either with skinny wheels or without wheelsets. When I get word back, I'll put together an order list, get your postage estimate, and send you a check.

Thanks and best,

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT
cell 406-471-3167

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Frank Angsted from Intermountain ordered these trucks for me directly from China. IM will eventually package some and offer them for sale, but in the meantime, these trucks are available from me at $1.75/pair less wheelsets. Shipping charges will apply. I can be contacted at<midcentury@...>, please off-list. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




________________________________
From: leakinmywaders <leakinmywaders@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 8:31:39 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: IMRC 70-ton trucks, was Erie Flats 8000+


Brian and all: Are the InterMountain 70-ton solid bearing trucks available yet as separate parts? There is no part number listing yet at InterMountain' s web site, and I haven't been able to locate them through my usual retailers. Thanks,

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Brian J Carlson" <brian@> wrote:

Thanks Ed, now the million dollar question, Are these similar to the new IM
70 ton truck? Or another HO truck.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@ .>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Erie Flats 8000-8049, 8050-8099



On Apr 7, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Does anyone know what trucks were delivered on the Erie 70 ton flats
in the
8000-8049, and 8050-8099 series. These were 70 ton Greenville cars
built in
941, and 1942. Thanks.
Brian,
70-ton AAR Double Truss with 33" steel wheels.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins






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Re: Off-group help request G85 TOFC's

Tim O'Connor
 

G85's were built 1960 to 1963. Autoracks were affixed to some of
them as early as 1960 -- both SP and ATSF are examples. Original
owners include ATSF, EL, MEC, NH, NP, REA, SOO, SP, UP, WM, GPBX,
NITX, GTTX, SSW, PFF (PFE). I've never been able to understand why
no HO model of a G85 flat has ever been produced. G89's were then
produced from 1964 onwards. Although initially developed as a
follow on to the Clejan design, most owners never used them in
that fashion -- SP and New Haven (and perhaps EL?) were the only
serious Clejan trailer users.

Tim O'Connor

At 4/8/2009 09:50 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
Peter Ness wrote:
I am looking for information on G85 TOFC's ca. 1962-3 which is
beyond the scope of this group. If there is anyone who may be able
to answer some questions please contact me off list.
Peter, SP bought some G85s in 1960, which IS in scope. SInce
the G85 was a dual-purpose car, intended to handle Clejan trailers as
well as non-Clejan trailers, I'd doubt that many G85s were built much
after 1960, when the few roads which were using Clejan technology
abandoned it. OTOH, many such flats might have been stretched for use
with auto racks or other uses after 1960, but on this list, we know
nothing about that <g>.

Tony Thompson


Re: Off-group help request G85 TOFC's

Tim O'Connor
 

Peter, join the MFCL or BBFCL lists. They discuss freight cars
post 1960.

At 4/8/2009 09:29 PM Wednesday, you wrote:

I am looking for information on G85 TOFC's ca. 1962-3 which is beyond
the scope of this group. If there is anyone who may be able to answer
some questions please contact me off list.

Thanks,
Peter
prness@... <mailto:prness@...>


Re: WIMP reefer help

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 8, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Peter Ness wrote:

I am not sure if this is within the scope of the group because I an
working from an undated photo. Yes, the name intrigues me, and it
is photographed in Boston, MA on the New Haven





I have a photo of GARX 1503, a 36' wood RSM leased to the Wimp
Packing Co., a small packing house in the Chicago area named for its
owner. The reweigh date on the car appears to be 1956, so that
places it well within the STMFC scope. There's no way to know how
many cars General American leased to Wimp, but it was probably only a
small number.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: "ACF St. Louis Plant" builders stencil in white

Schuyler Larrabee
 

It has been a VERY long time since I've done this, but: at one time there was a graphics house I
used professionally for printing architectural drawings that had a process whereby they could make
custom dry transfers. I don't recall what the product was called, but I do believe it was available
in a range of disgusting colors one would use in advertising, and also black and white. I used
this to create some "S" logos for Susquehanna which were otherwise not available. I will ask the
guy I worked with if a) this product is even still available (computer graphics have killed some
useful products), and 2) what it was called. I'll report back if it is.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob M.

Thanks Cyril and Tim,

It's for December 1945 build date.

I'll look at my Sunshine papers and try to decipher who might be doing their decals and see what
luck I have getting an
O scale one out of them.

Rob Mondichak

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Cyril and Lynn Durrenberger
<durrecj@...> wrote:

What time period.? Art Griffin may have one from the earlier time periods.
?
Cyril Durrenberger
--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
wrote:


Sunshine (I think) offers builder stencils for ACF that include
the plant data. And for other builders too.

Tim O'Connor


At 4/8/2009 01:03 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
Howdy,

I am in need of an ACF St. Louis plant builders stencil decal in white but I haven't had much
luck finding a decal set
that has one.

Has anybody seen one?

It's actually for an O scale ITC flat car project but I'm desperate so hopefully I can find one
in HO for now.

Thanx guys,

Rob Mondichak







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