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Re: Reefer Yellow/Orange

randyhees <hees@...>
 

I strongly suspect it goes back before general interchange of cars, when "Line Cars" generally owned by a pool of railroads, allowed freight to move across railroad networks. Line cars were generally painted a bright color, vermillion, blue or white all come to mind, and the lines were identified with the color (hence Blue Line cars, Red Line cars etc…)

Yellow and Orange have the advantage of being stable relatively inexpensive paint colors, based on Chrome Yellow and Chrome Yellow D.O. (Deep Orange) which are based on a chromium of lead (hence "chrome") and play well with the while lead paint base.

19th century railroad paint catalogs frequently lump refrigerator and line car colors as a single group.

Randy Hees


Re: Reefer Yellow/Orange

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 21, 2009, at 6:01 AM, asychis@... wrote:

Just a curiosity question. Does anyone have an idea why yellow and
orange
predominated as colors for reefers? Was it to make them stand out from


the sea of "boxcar red" cars, or was there some other reason.
Jerry, the practice of painting the sides of refrigerator cars a
light color so that they would be more visible in a yard full of
black and mineral red box cars dates all the way back to the mid-
nineteenth century, as is evident from the illustrations in John H.
White, Jr.'s "The American Railroad Freight Car." Reefers going
astray and then having their perishable contents spoil apparently was
all too common even when the bodies, or at least the sides, were
painted a distinctive color. Early reefers were often painted white,
though yellow was also a common color. MDT reefers had white sides
from the 1890s until World War II, when yellow-orange replaced white
on most (but not all) MDT-owned cars. So far as I have been able to
determine, the Santa Fe refrigerator department pioneered the of use
yellow-orange, a color which reflected the fact that most SFRD
traffic was citrus fruit from Southern California and Arizona. PFE
cars, as Tony Thompson has pointed out, had yellow sides until the
1930s, when a color similar to that used by SFRD was adopted. The
cars owned by Fruit Growers Express and its WFEX, BREX, and NX
subsidiaries had yellow sides, as did those of American Refrigerator
Transit Lines and most leasing companies - Union Refrigerator
Transit, North American, General American, Mather, etc. Most
privately owned meat reefers also had yellow or yellow-orange sides.
However, C&NW's Northwestern Refrigerator Line and its GB&W affiliate
Western Refrigerator Lines painted the sides of their reefers light
gray until the mid-1950s, and there was a brief period after WW II
when some WRX cars had light green sides. The Canadian railroads'
reefers were painted entirely in mineral red until after WW II, when
CN painted some of its steel reefers light gray, but the reefers of
CN subsidiary Grand Trunk Western had yellow-orange sides. Though
beyond the scope of this list, it's worth pointing out that in the
1960s ART and some private owners changed from yellow to true orange,
a darker color than PFE and SFRD yellow-orange. And most dry-ice
refrigerator cars were painted aluminum.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Alternate Standard Twin Hopper?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:
So, what is the "alt std" twin hopper, and where might one find drawings?
Oh, no!! Accurail is going to do it first, with molded-on grabs, etc.! Rats! <vbg>

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Re: Bill Schneider and a Salute to Branchline

MDelvec952
 

?trust that Branchline was as professional as Bill is with regards to the move. I wish them all the best in their new endeavors in the future and I am sure the in the future we will see some of our needs fullfilled from both companies.

-----Original Message-----
From: tgregmrtn@...
To: STMFC@...; PassengerCarList@...
Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 5:20 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Bill Schneider and a Salute to Branchline

----------------------------

I, too, wish Bill all the luck.

So, is anyone on this list dusting off or sprucing up their resume to send Branchline's way?

???????????????????? ....Mike


Alternate Standard Twin Hopper?

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


I would agree that the alt std offset twin hopper is probably now at the top
of the list of projects yet undone in a plastic HO freight car, and suitable
for many, many roads. The trouble is, which version? 10'10"? 10'6"? Which
ends? Square? Radial? End support spacing and type? It gets complicated
pretty quick....

Elden Gatwood
So, what is the "alt std" twin hopper, and where might one find drawings?

Dennis


Re: Where's Bob

charmantas
 

You have an old telephone number. Try (606) 845-3323.

Charles Harmantas
Wheaton IL


Bill Schneider and a Salute to Branchline

Greg Martin
 

Guys,

I have made my comments off-list to both Jason and Bill regarding the move to Rapido. But let us not forget Branchline and the products that through Bill they brought to market during his tenure there. I for one am glad Bill "cut his teeth" in this industry at Branchline and I for one will continue to support them in the future for items in their current line and wish them the best and hope they to an secure another R&D manager that was as devoted to our interest as was Bill. I trust that Branchline was as professional as Bill is with regards to the move. I wish them all the best in their new endeavors in the future and I am sure the in the future we will see some of our needs fullfilled from both companies.

Greg Martin


Re: X29B and D's

Lawrence Rast
 

There are some terrific articles out there on modeling the X29B,
including but not limited to the following:

Ben Hom, "Modeling the PRR Boxcar Fleet Part 3 – Class X29B," Keystone
Modeler (August 2006): 21-27.

Steve Hoxie, "Modeling the PRR Boxcar Fleet Part 3A – Kitbashing a
Class X29B," Keystone Modeler (August 2006): 28-32.

Elden Gatwood, "Modeling the Pennsylvania Railroad’s Box Car Fleet
Part 3b - More Options for the Pennsy’s Class X29B: Two Kit-Bashing
Options and a New Resin Kit," Keystone Modeler (August 2007): 22-29.

Best,
Lawrence Rast

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Brian J Carlson <brian@...> wrote:


X29B
Cut the body off Red caboose X29, Cut the floor out of Branchline. Not that
had to do.
X29D same as above, with the 50' roof modification as you mention.
Branchline bodies and RC X29's can be picked up cheap, if you look around. I
think Steve Hoxie did the X29B kitbash in TKM.

The first Cocoa BEach project was the KCS rebuild not X29B

Brian Carlson
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:47:56 -0400, SUVCWORR wrote
Actually, that will give you a nice stand-in.? The underframe will
not be accurate.? The truck spacing will not be accurate.? The X29b
was a new body on the X29 underframe with channels added to each
side to increase the width.? These underframes did not have the
standard truck spacing.? The only kitbash available is to put the
Branchline body on the Sunshine underframe which pushes the cost
beyond reason when a fleet of these cars are needed.??

The?X29d?has an overhanging roof which is not available in a 40 ft
length.? The best you can do is cut 10 ft from the Branchline 50
ft?OH roof.? Similar underframe issues remain as seen with the X29B.


Where's Bob

Jon Cagle <jscagle@...>
 

Gang:



Tried calling Bob of Bob's Photos, 606-780-9905, but got an answer that this number is no longer in service or disconnected. Do I have an old #?



Would really like to get in touch with Bob to get some photos.



Thanks,

jon


Re: Bill Schneider to Rapido Trains

Tim O'Connor
 

We can't even get 'em in resin! I'd vote for the PFE R-40-30
of course. Neat car, with a charcoal heater version as an option.

Greg Martin said "what we really could use are all the later
Santa Fe reefers with the plug doors and of course the RR54/55/56 Santa Fe
mechanical reefers (true steam era freight car)"

I agree and would extend that wish to ANY 40' early mechanical reefer.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Bill Schneider to Rapido Trains

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

As much as I would like to see the X29B and X29D in plastic (and have bashed
two of the former), it was a one-road car in both cases (most did not see PC
paint), and might not sell enough to re-coup the investment. They are,
however, the cars I get asked about most often, as requested by modelers of
the PRR!

I would agree that the alt std offset twin hopper is probably now at the top
of the list of projects yet undone in a plastic HO freight car, and suitable
for many, many roads. The trouble is, which version? 10'10"? 10'6"? Which
ends? Square? Radial? End support spacing and type? It gets complicated
pretty quick....

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
tgregmrtn@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:00 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Bill Schneider to Rapido Trains




Jerry Glow replies:

"That's really a simple kitbash of a Branchline 7' door body with a USRA
style underframe. It was the subject of the first Cocoa Beach "Shake and
Take" clinic using an Accururail body. I'd rather see something that is not
as easily doable.

Jerry Glow"

Rich Orr wrote:
" Still pushing for the never done PRR X29b and X29d? -- rebuilds of the
X29."


Re: Bill Schneider to Rapido Trains

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Greg Martin said "what we really could use are all the later
Santa Fe reefers with the plug doors and of course the RR54/55/56 Santa Fe
mechanical reefers (true steam era freight car)"


I agree and would extend that wish to ANY 40' early mechanical reefer.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Bill Schneider to Rapido Trains

tmolsen@...
 

In reading the posts regarding Bill going over to Rapido, the question that I have (unless I missed something) is:

What has or will become of Branchline? Has it closed? With Bill joining Rapido, is Branchline being bought by them or will it continue with someone else running it?

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re: ATSF 1958 cft covered hopper

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Doug,
This will make a lot of CB&Q guys very happy.
There were some cool color variations too.
Mineral Red, Black, Grey and Orange.
Thanks,
Rob Manley

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Dolloff
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ATSF 1958 cft covered hopper





We are tooling a new roof with the seam caps. It should be available in a month or two.

Best regards,
Doug Dolloff
InterMountain

--- On Mon, 4/20/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ATSF 1958 cft covered hopper
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 10:31 PM

I'm no ATSF expert, but the -52, -67, -71 were built by
General American. The -75 was built by ATSF. (From kits?)
The -65 was built by ACF. RMJ 8/1991 has photos of one.

The Ga-71 roof had seam caps, so that is a noticeable
difference from any kits (Kato/Bowser/ Intermountain) . I
think Sunshine produced a minikit with a replacement
roof to model this car.

Tim O'Connor

At 4/20/2009 05:57 PM Monday, you wrote:
>A few questions for the ATSF freight car experts:
>I would like to upgrade my covered hopper models. Are the InterMountain 1958 cft covered hopper kits correct for any of the following ATSF classes: Ga-52/65/67/ 71/75? Did all of these classes have closed sides or were there any with open sides? What needs to be modified on the InterMountain kits to match the prototypes. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>Peter Aue


Re: Do you like The Keystone Modeler (TKM)?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Folks;

I know you are hearing this a lot lately, but I have to make a plea...

If you enjoy reading The Keystone Modeler, please, PLEASE, consider making a
contribution for publication.

We are currently down to a very small staff, all unpaid, and the vast
majority employed in demanding jobs, and we just cannot support, alone, the
demands (a.k.a., the "black hole") of a monthly magazine/e-zine, without
considerable help.

Without your help, we will be forced to consider some drastic measures, which
our readership will not like.

We welcome articles about any PRR subjects with an endpoint on modeling or
model operations; steam, freight, passenger, diesels, MW, structures, ROW,
ops, etc.

I hope you will consider helping ALL of us who enjoy reading, and seeing,
what others have accomplished.

We look forward to hearing from you,

Elden Gatwood
Chair, PRRT&HS Modeling Committee
TKM Contributor


Big Four horse stock cars

S hed <shed999@...>
 

I'm wondering if anyone out there has any information or knows where I can find information on the CCC&StL 40' Horse Single Deck Stock Cars?



This would be series 20000 to 20998.



My stock yard for my HO-scale layout handles mules and horses so one of these cars sound perfect for it.



Thanks.

Steve H.

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Re: Reefer Yellow/Orange

lnnrr <lnnrr@...>
 

Just my personal guess, but I think your visibility idea would be
the prime reason. Freight cars have been known to get lost for days and weeks, even years. Not long ago, in STMFC years, there was an
electric calculating machine built called UNIVAC. If I were a dreamer, I might think that someday some such machine might keep
track of freight cars. In the meantime, yard clerks trudge through heat and cold, day and night, rain and snow, making lists of cars in the yards. Mistakes happen.
For a few extra dollars, a bright paint job could remind yard clerks
and train crews that this is perishable freight, needs to be iced and
moved.
Chuck Peck

--- In STMFC@..., asychis@... wrote:

Just a curiosity question. Does anyone have an idea why yellow and orange
predominated as colors for reefers? Was it to make them stand out from
the sea of "boxcar red" cars, or was there some other reason.

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Re: Bill Schneider to Rapido Trains

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
I've gotten the impression the ratio is not simply based on population -- or maybe it's because there's a higher percentage of real modelers in Canada... I recall looking at NMRA member stats years ago and it seemed that some areas of the country were underrepresented (e.g. southeastern/southern states) if you took population into account.
Sure. But you understand an engineering estimate, Tim: start with a simple, global figure. I'd guess an important factor is a longer, darker winter in Canada compared to most of the U.S., prime modeling time. And if the NMRA is any guide, yes, the southeast is VERY much lower in proportion of modelers. I don't know why. There may be parts of Canada with lower modeler proportions, too.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Bill Schneider to Rapido Trains

Tim O'Connor
 

I do have complete confidence in Bill, so I certainly hope
Rapido feels the same. And as for the size of the US market as ten
times the Canadian market, I'd think so--that's the ratio of total
population.
Tony Thompson

I've gotten the impression the ratio is not simply based on
population -- or maybe it's because there's a higher percentage
of real modelers in Canada... I recall looking at NMRA member
stats years ago and it seemed that some areas of the country
were underrepresented (e.g. southeastern/southern states) if
you took population into account.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Bill Schneider to Rapido Trains

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Lucas wrote:
With Bill Schneider joining Rapido, I think that you'll see some very nice US stuff coming out from them. The Osgood-Bradley coach may be a harbinger of things to come. Rapido's interest seems to be in expanding its market--it's often said that the size of the US market is ten times that of the Canadian market.
I do have complete confidence in Bill, so I certainly hope Rapido feels the same. And as for the size of the US market as ten times the Canadian market, I'd think so--that's the ratio of total population.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

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