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Re: REA Wood Express Reefers

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I have a Walthers 932-5493. I think this is correct for my era but don't have my data handy and my memory is not what it used to be. It's REA with gold lettering.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Do you like The Keystone Modeler (TKM)?

golden1014
 

Elden, All,

At the SCL Modeler e-zine, I have nothing in-hand for the next issue. I have about five articles promised, plus two I'm working on personally. I'm in the same boat as TKM. The only thing that saves me is that we publishe quarterly.

The thing I try to get across to everyone is that you don't have to be a genious to write for one of the three e-zines (TKM, B&OM, and SCLM). All three of these magazines have guys that will help you write, edit, and do what it takes to get your articles printed. Give us a freight car model and a page of good text, and we'll help hunt down prototype info, photos and make a great four-page spread with your name on it.

I just completed an SCL Modeler survey and many of the guys that responded said they wanted more STMFC content. So, how about it, guys--how about writing up some one or two page STMFC articles for your favorite e-zine?

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Folks;

I know you are hearing this a lot lately, but I have to make a plea...

If you enjoy reading The Keystone Modeler, please, PLEASE, consider making a
contribution for publication.

We are currently down to a very small staff, all unpaid, and the vast
majority employed in demanding jobs, and we just cannot support, alone, the
demands (a.k.a., the "black hole") of a monthly magazine/e-zine, without
considerable help.

Without your help, we will be forced to consider some drastic measures, which
our readership will not like.

We welcome articles about any PRR subjects with an endpoint on modeling or
model operations; steam, freight, passenger, diesels, MW, structures, ROW,
ops, etc.

I hope you will consider helping ALL of us who enjoy reading, and seeing,
what others have accomplished.

We look forward to hearing from you,

Elden Gatwood
Chair, PRRT&HS Modeling Committee
TKM Contributor


Re: REA Wood Express Reefers

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Wood cars were used into the 60's, well beyond my cutoff date of 1957. you
need to check if the paint scheme is appropriate for the 1948-50 timeframe.
I think the green with the diamond is slightly later than 1950, annd I think
932-5485 is pre 1940 but my RPC's are at home so I can't comment for sure.

Brian Carlson
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:55:32 -0000, Paul & Bernice Hillman wrote
Walthers is selling REA Wood Express Reefers, #'s 932-5471 & 932-5485.

When did REA quit using wood cars? Specfically were they in use in
the 1948-1950 period? Or were they steel by then?

Thanks, Paul Hillman

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Re: ATSF 1958 cft covered hopper

charles slater
 

Peter, all the Santa Fe covered hoppers in these classes had four seam caps on the roof.

Intermountain is supposed to be making the ribed roof and hopefully will be out soon. The only classes of Santa Fe cars with the opensides were the ten cars of the Ga-45 class (it would be a kitbash from the intermountain car) and the Ga-52 class.

Also don't forget the Ga-79 class of hoppers in this group.

Charlie Slater



To: STMFC@...
From: peteraue@...
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:57:30 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF 1958 cft covered hopper







A few questions for the ATSF freight car experts:
I would like to upgrade my covered hopper models. Are the InterMountain 1958 cft covered hopper kits correct for any of the following ATSF classes: Ga-52/65/67/71/75? Did all of these classes have closed sides or were there any with open sides? What needs to be modified on the InterMountain kits to match the prototypes. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Peter Aue









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The Keystone Modeler/ Ben Hom

ed_mines
 

Let's all remember that Ben Hom, a frequent contributor to this forum and the Keystone Modeler, is now serving our country overseas.

Come back safe Ben.


REA Wood Express Reefers

Paul Hillman
 

Walthers is selling REA Wood Express Reefers, #'s 932-5471 & 932-5485.

When did REA quit using wood cars? Specfically were they in use in the 1948-1950 period? Or were they steel by then?

Thanks, Paul Hillman


NE Proto Meet is May 29-30 in Connecticut

Dave Owens
 

Greetings all:

This year's New England/Northeast Prototype Meet is May 29-30, the
weekend after Memorial Day, at the Canton Community Center, 40 Dyer
Ave., Collinsville, Connecticut.

Again, we are benefiting from a group of remarkably generous
clinicians who will share their skills and knowledge. We'll have a
clinic list and scheduled posted shortly on our website,
www.neprototypemeet.com. A registration form is already posted there.

As with all protomeets, the model display is a key element. We urge
all attendees to bring models to share. There is no judging so please
don't be concerned you and your work will be held to some arbitrary
standard. Locomotives, rolling stock, structures, vehicles, etc., are
welcome.

We also have a terrific group of vendors and manufacturers who plan to
attend the meet, including Bob's Photo, Atlas Model Railroad Co.,
Branchline Trains, Rapido Trains, Sheepscot Scale Models, Funaro &
Camerlengo, Speedwitch Media, the Hobby Gallery and several others,

The meet pre-registration fee is $25, the same it's been the past
several years. Registration at the door is $30.

We hope you can join us. Questions? Contact me at neprotomeet@....

On another matter, the National Model Railroad Association will
conducts its annual convention in Hartford this summer. Vin Gallogly,
the convention chairman, and his team, including clinic coordinator
John McGloin, have worked incredibly hard to put together what I
believe will be a great convention. The convention is July 5-11 at the
Connecticut Convention Center. For more information, visit
www.hn2009.org

We have been invited to staff a prototype room and would be pleased to
do so if we have enough modelers willing to participate. If you will
be attending the convention, and would like to show models, let us
know.

Thanks,
Dave Owens and the NE Proto Meet team
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May 29-30, 2009, Collinsville, CT
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Re: Alternate Standard Twin Hopper?

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Dennis Storzek wrote:
So, what is the "alt std" twin hopper, and where might one find
drawings?
Oh, no!! Accurail is going to do it first, with molded-on grabs,
etc.! Rats! <vbg>
Quiet! Or we'll mold the wheels on.

Dennis


Re: Bill Schneider to Rapido Trains

Bill Schneider
 

O.K. Guys, I've been silent until now, but (with Jason's indulgence I hope), I just want to set a few things straight..

First - I do not, did not, nor ever will, own Branchline Trains. I guess that in some ways I was the public face of Branchline through my participation on these lists, but Branchline is a family owned business that will no doubt continue on after my tenure there.

Second, Jason and his crew at Rapido are a very professional and dedicated bunch that I am proud to now be involved with. They have the dedication, desire and ability to do top notch products in whatever variety - freight or passenger - and scale that they choose to pursue.

Third, we now have 351 product suggestions - enough to keep us busy for the next 85+ years (OK, I exaggerate - I stopped counting at 75 on Sunday night). There have been many good ones, some unusual ones, and some... well....... other ones. There will no doubt be a few of you very happy, several not so happy, and a few downright irate at the choices that we will make. I can only hope that, whatever side of that equation that you fall on, you give Rapido a fair shot.

Finally, I want to thank many of you for your off-list notes of support to both Jason and myself as we move forward.

Now......where did I put those O&W steam generator painting diagrams.... ;>)

Bill Schneider





In reading the posts regarding Bill going over to Rapido, the question that I have (unless I missed something) is:

What has or will become of Branchline? Has it closed? With Bill joining Rapido, is Branchline being bought by them or will it continue with someone else running it?

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re: Bill Schneider to Rapido Trains

SUVCWORR@...
 

Tim:

Just concluded a telephone call from my account rep.? We discussed this very issue.? Bill's works is being divided among several current staff and Sam is getting back into the management of the company.? They are alive and well and will continue to be.? While I am not at liberty to discuss all of our conversation, the projects initiated by Bill and others are moving forward.

Rich Orr

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Bill Schneider to Rapido Trains










In reading the posts regarding Bill going over to Rapido, the question Timt I
have (unless I missed something) is:

What has or will become of Branchline? Has it closed? With Bill joining Rapido,
is Branchline being bought by them or will it continue with someone else running
it?

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


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Bill Schneider and My Wish List

Jim Scott
 

One thing I would like to put on a wish list is an HO version of a Southern Pacific C-40-1 and/or a C-40-3 Caboose. These have never been available in plastic, only in metal, and are dearly needed in this hobby. With the type of product tha Rapido and Bill make, they should turn out a great product that should just disappear in droves from the shelves of dealers.

Jim Scott
Lompoc, CA
SPH&TS Member


Re: Reefer Yellow/Orange

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Randy Hees wrote:
Yellow and Orange have the advantage of being stable relatively inexpensive paint colors, based on Chrome Yellow and Chrome Yellow D.O. (Deep Orange) which are based on a chromium of lead (hence "chrome") and play well with the while lead paint base.
"Chromium of lead?" Randy knows his paint in most cases, but this is gibberish. The form of chromium used in pigments is normally an oxide or oxygen compound; the yellow is lead chromate, which has the formula PbCrO4. But authenitic chrome yellow has an unfortunate tendency to darken in sunlight. Many yellow paints over the last century are NOT chromium-containing.

Anthony Thompson
Dept. of Materials Science & Engineering
University of California, Berkeley
thompsonmarytony@...


Re: ATSF 1958 cft covered hopper

David North <davenorth@...>
 

I'm no ATSF expert, but the -52, -67, -71 were built by
General American. The -75 was built by ATSF. (From kits?)
The -65 was built by ACF. RMJ 8/1991 has photos of one.
The Ga-71 roof had seam caps, so that is a noticeable
difference from any kits (Kato/Bowser/Intermountain). I
think Sunshine produced a minikit with a replacement
roof to model this car.
Tim O'Connor


From the Society's Live List and folio diagrams where I have them,

the GA-52 and 67 were from ACF, while the 65 and 71 were from GAT.



The folio diagram for the GA-75 shows two series.

182060-182309 had radial steel roofs reclaimed from BX-8,9 & 10

box cars.



182310-182559 had Murphy solid riveted roofs.



As you say Tim it lists the builder as ATSF.

No info as to who the supplier may have been if they were kits.

Cheers

Dave North


Re: Reefer Yellow/Orange

randyhees <hees@...>
 

I strongly suspect it goes back before general interchange of cars, when "Line Cars" generally owned by a pool of railroads, allowed freight to move across railroad networks. Line cars were generally painted a bright color, vermillion, blue or white all come to mind, and the lines were identified with the color (hence Blue Line cars, Red Line cars etc…)

Yellow and Orange have the advantage of being stable relatively inexpensive paint colors, based on Chrome Yellow and Chrome Yellow D.O. (Deep Orange) which are based on a chromium of lead (hence "chrome") and play well with the while lead paint base.

19th century railroad paint catalogs frequently lump refrigerator and line car colors as a single group.

Randy Hees


Re: Reefer Yellow/Orange

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 21, 2009, at 6:01 AM, asychis@... wrote:

Just a curiosity question. Does anyone have an idea why yellow and
orange
predominated as colors for reefers? Was it to make them stand out from


the sea of "boxcar red" cars, or was there some other reason.
Jerry, the practice of painting the sides of refrigerator cars a
light color so that they would be more visible in a yard full of
black and mineral red box cars dates all the way back to the mid-
nineteenth century, as is evident from the illustrations in John H.
White, Jr.'s "The American Railroad Freight Car." Reefers going
astray and then having their perishable contents spoil apparently was
all too common even when the bodies, or at least the sides, were
painted a distinctive color. Early reefers were often painted white,
though yellow was also a common color. MDT reefers had white sides
from the 1890s until World War II, when yellow-orange replaced white
on most (but not all) MDT-owned cars. So far as I have been able to
determine, the Santa Fe refrigerator department pioneered the of use
yellow-orange, a color which reflected the fact that most SFRD
traffic was citrus fruit from Southern California and Arizona. PFE
cars, as Tony Thompson has pointed out, had yellow sides until the
1930s, when a color similar to that used by SFRD was adopted. The
cars owned by Fruit Growers Express and its WFEX, BREX, and NX
subsidiaries had yellow sides, as did those of American Refrigerator
Transit Lines and most leasing companies - Union Refrigerator
Transit, North American, General American, Mather, etc. Most
privately owned meat reefers also had yellow or yellow-orange sides.
However, C&NW's Northwestern Refrigerator Line and its GB&W affiliate
Western Refrigerator Lines painted the sides of their reefers light
gray until the mid-1950s, and there was a brief period after WW II
when some WRX cars had light green sides. The Canadian railroads'
reefers were painted entirely in mineral red until after WW II, when
CN painted some of its steel reefers light gray, but the reefers of
CN subsidiary Grand Trunk Western had yellow-orange sides. Though
beyond the scope of this list, it's worth pointing out that in the
1960s ART and some private owners changed from yellow to true orange,
a darker color than PFE and SFRD yellow-orange. And most dry-ice
refrigerator cars were painted aluminum.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Alternate Standard Twin Hopper?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:
So, what is the "alt std" twin hopper, and where might one find drawings?
Oh, no!! Accurail is going to do it first, with molded-on grabs, etc.! Rats! <vbg>

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Bill Schneider and a Salute to Branchline

MDelvec952
 

?trust that Branchline was as professional as Bill is with regards to the move. I wish them all the best in their new endeavors in the future and I am sure the in the future we will see some of our needs fullfilled from both companies.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 5:20 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Bill Schneider and a Salute to Branchline

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I, too, wish Bill all the luck.

So, is anyone on this list dusting off or sprucing up their resume to send Branchline's way?

???????????????????? ....Mike


Alternate Standard Twin Hopper?

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


I would agree that the alt std offset twin hopper is probably now at the top
of the list of projects yet undone in a plastic HO freight car, and suitable
for many, many roads. The trouble is, which version? 10'10"? 10'6"? Which
ends? Square? Radial? End support spacing and type? It gets complicated
pretty quick....

Elden Gatwood
So, what is the "alt std" twin hopper, and where might one find drawings?

Dennis


Re: Where's Bob

charmantas
 

You have an old telephone number. Try (606) 845-3323.

Charles Harmantas
Wheaton IL


Bill Schneider and a Salute to Branchline

Greg Martin
 

Guys,

I have made my comments off-list to both Jason and Bill regarding the move to Rapido. But let us not forget Branchline and the products that through Bill they brought to market during his tenure there. I for one am glad Bill "cut his teeth" in this industry at Branchline and I for one will continue to support them in the future for items in their current line and wish them the best and hope they to an secure another R&D manager that was as devoted to our interest as was Bill. I trust that Branchline was as professional as Bill is with regards to the move. I wish them all the best in their new endeavors in the future and I am sure the in the future we will see some of our needs fullfilled from both companies.

Greg Martin

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