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More IMRC 1958 cft covered hopper information?

asychis@...
 

Regarding the recent information circulating on the list about the IMRC
1958 cuft covered hopper, and it's variations that InterMountain could
produce. Were any of these cars used in MOW service by the ATSF or UP?

Thanks,

Jerry Michels
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My Mistake - Ray Breyer's right - NKP War Emergency Cars

Ralph Miller <nkpwle@...>
 

Jim and all

Ray Breyer's right about the April rebuild of most of these cars to the 8200 series steel sides. Going back after I posted and looking again at my 7/1966 ORER it shows 96 cars listed in the 8200-8299 series in NKP paint and these cars show the XML designation with DF equipment.

The same ORER shows only 4 cars in service in N&W paint in series 208200-208299 at this time and while they do show the XML designation there's no indication of DF equipment on these 4.

One unusual item about these rebuilds: the doors were replaced from the original 6' Superior to 9' Youngstown - quite a significant increase.

Sorry about that Ray. You just never want to say "never". Totally forgot about the rebuilds!

Ralph Miller


Re: CNW, NKP war emergency boxcar questions

Ralph Miller <nkpwle@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, James Mischke <jmischke@...> wrote:



The Intermountain web site show them coming out with WWII war
emergency single sheath boxcars, as ready-to-run, for September
2009 release, in NKP, C&NW, ATSF road names.


Nickel Plate questions: Web artwork shows NKP 8026. Original
series 8000-8199. I understand cars in this series were
renumbered into a 20800 series at some point. When?? Were
they ever steel sheathed or were they woodies to the end? I
model 1964. Any left then? ORER 1/64 notes mention Evans auto
loading equipment, 20800 series might be a different car by then.

C&NW questions: Web artwork shows C&NW 77542. Did these
prototypes all have Viking roofs? ORER shows plenty left in
1/64. ORER notes suggest some/many/most/all remaining cars had
been daylighted into hoppers for coke service. How many and
when? Please clarify. Growing up in Ames, Iowa, I remember
seeing these war emergency boxcars as a kid in the late 1960's -
early 1970's. All I saw were steel sheathed with Clinton
reweigh dates. (An aside, I thought "CLN" meant "cleaned" back
then) When was the metal sheathing done? Any woodies left by 1964?


Any insights on these familiar and interesting boxcars would be
appreciated. My motivation: I would like one or two but they
need to be original configuration during or close to my era (1964-65).
Jim -

The NKP 8000-8199 Pullman-Standard series war emergency cars, built in 1944, were never steel sheathed and continued as built into the merger with the N&W. If you have Ted Culotta's "Steam Era Freight Car Reference Manual" there's an excellent builder's photo of car 8026 on page 168.

I have the 7/1966 ORER which lists these cars as having only 22 left in NKP paint but none are listed at this time with Evans equipment. Nor does my 1964 NKP Equipment Diagrams list them as having this equipment installed either.

Surprisingly, the 1966 ORER does list the N&W renumber to 208000-208199 but does not indicate there were any still in service in N&W paint by July of '66.

Hope Intermountain gets the dreadnaught ends correct on these.

Ralph Miller
Craftsman's Model Railroad Supply


Re: Reefer Yellow/Orange

asychis@...
 

Thanks to all who responded about reefer yellow/orange/gray/white. I
definitely had my questions answered!

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Re: ATSF 1958 cft covered hopper

peteraue
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Doug Dolloff <doug_irc@...> wrote:

We are tooling a new roof with the seam caps. It should be available in a month or two.
 
Best regards,
Doug Dolloff
InterMountain

What are the chances that InterMountain will make undecorated kits available? Modifiying ready to run cars with paint stripping and the rest of it is such a hassle. Please give it a try and have kits for sale.
Peter Aue


Re: ATSF 1958 cft covered hopper

peteraue
 

Thank you very much for all your inputs. Lots of valuable information.
Peter Aue


Santa Fe Slogan Cars

Michael Bishop <goldrod_1@...>
 

Last night at what should have been an operating night, but turns into a discussion of "What If's" or "They Should Have" by everyone favorite railroads. The question of the Santa Fe slogan cars came up. At the time that the Santa Fe started to apply the slogans to their fleet of freight cars, way wasn't the California Limited included? It was still a very popular train at that time, just as good as the Scout or Grand Canyon Limited. And why not the two new streamliners The Kansas Cityan and Chicagoan included? They were just as new as the El Capitan. I thought I would ask and see if anyone might have an answer. Thanks for any help.

Michael Bishop


Re: REA Wood Express Reefers

Jason Hill
 

If anyone has a copy of an REA stencil drawing that provides a date
when the diamond was first used, I would appreciate knowing the date of
the drawing or revision.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins<<

Greetings all, my $0.02...
All the research that I've done both in the REA book and the Car Builder's Encyl. say that the Red and white diamond was started in 1953. The interesting photo of a '47 blt steel reefer in the post silver and green strip but pre-diamond herald shows it to be identical lettering placement to the silver and green scheme (The "Railway Express Agency" spelled out in one line in yellow/gold paint in the same location as on the silver/green scheme.) As I'm modeling 1952-1953 I have the following breakdown. 2 wood cars and 1 steel freshly painted w/diamond, about 6-7 wood and 3 steel without diamond (just remove or paint over the diamond scheme car), 1 wood in the pre-1943 "pullman/olive green" with reporting marks and spelled out REA on both sides of the door, and 2 steel in silver/green as delievered.

The hard one for me to find info to nail down is when they dropped the olive green scheme (1943 IIRC) and went to a intermediate scheme (the hunter green with one line spelled out REA as above) before they went to the 1953 yellow lettering and diamond. I believe that the one picture of REX 6318 is the only one I've seen that shows an interim 1943-1953 example of the cars, and it was obviously a silver and green car that was recently repainted, but before the diamond herald.

The later (1960's) is when they started the lighter green and the variations on the heralds.

Jason Hill
Tehachapi Sub 1952-53


Re: Wood Boxcar ID

Rob & Bev Manley
 

I see a " &Q " on the far left panel.

Rob Manley

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wood Boxcar ID





On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:48 PM, John Strenski wrote:

We found this wood boxcar today:
>
> http://soo2408.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1576460
>
> Any help ID'ing it's possible former owner would be appreciated.
>

CB&Q X25 class, nos. 15000-16999. Or, more likely in view of the
location, FW&D 7200-7700, which were cars of the same design. Check
the ends; they should be 7-8 corrugated.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Wood Boxcar ID

michael bishop <goldrod_1@...>
 

The car looks like a CB&Q car. I am from Mercer County, IL and the CB&Q had a branch line though it and many of the famers had old box cars like this one near the barns or on the edge of the fields.
 
MIchael Bishop

--- On Wed, 4/22/09, John Strenski <kjstrenski@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: John Strenski <kjstrenski@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Wood Boxcar ID
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 7:48 PM








Hello Group:

We found this wood boxcar today:

http://soo2408. rrpicturearchive s.net/showPictur e.aspx?id= 1576460

Any help ID'ing it's possible former owner would be appreciated.

Also found this one a little far from home:

http://soo2408. rrpicturearchive s.net/showPictur e.aspx?id= 1576468

Holes in the roofs is to get some air into the cars, otherwise, the farmer would probably fall over with heat stroke upon entry.

Thanks very much for the help.

John
WF TX



















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Re: Wood Boxcar ID

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "John Strenski" <kjstrenski@...> wrote:

Hello Group:

We found this wood boxcar today:

http://soo2408.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1576460

Any help ID'ing it's possible former owner would be appreciated.

Also found this one a little far from home:

http://soo2408.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1576468

Holes in the roofs is to get some air into the cars, otherwise, the farmer would probably fall over with heat stroke upon entry.

Thanks very much for the help.

John
WF TX
The first one is a Burlington car. Look very carefully in the middle of the left most panel, and you can just barely see the CB&Q just above the grab iron.

I bet it does not have a complete underframe. There used to be a lot of these cars in my neck of the woods, northern Illinois; I believe they were sold out of the shop that was in Aurora. All had been prepared in the same fashion; the entire center sill, cross bearers, and bolsters were cut out of the car, usually by torch cutting the end around the striker casting, and then the existing floor was supported by wedging used bridge timbers into the channel side sills. This allowed the "Q" to reclaim most of the scrap value in the car, while making the "shed" lighter for the farmer to haul away. Unfortunately, it makes the bodies worthless for preservation.

Dennis


Re: Wood Boxcar ID

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:48 PM, John Strenski wrote:

We found this wood boxcar today:

http://soo2408.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1576460

Any help ID'ing it's possible former owner would be appreciated.




CB&Q X25 class, nos. 15000-16999. Or, more likely in view of the
location, FW&D 7200-7700, which were cars of the same design. Check
the ends; they should be 7-8 corrugated.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Has anyone built or received the Southern Car and Foundry two-dome tankcar?

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Charlie Duckworth asks:

"Wondering if anyone on the list has received or built the Southern Car and Foundry HO GATX two-dome tankcar kit. Would appreciate a review."

There are several models completed that I'm aware of. I am 99% complete with one myself and will report on it with photos by Thursday or Friday. I'm quite pleased with the results.

Mike Brock


Re: Do you like The Keystone Modeler (TKM)?

bdg1210 <Bruce_Griffin@...>
 

All,

Just to make sure everyone knows we are united, I echo John and Elden's concerns. The effort to produce the ezine has severely cut into my modeling time, but I like others involved, feel our efforts serve a greater good of sharing modeling information with others. I can research a Steam Era Freight Car on my own and have a great model, but if I share the information many of my friends can learn from my work. What a great gift to my friends, especially when they share back.

The modeling ezines are an extension of this list with its great ethos for sharing.

Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Editor, The B&O Modeler
Summerfield, NC

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "John Golden" <golden1014@...> wrote:

Elden, All,

At the SCL Modeler e-zine, I have nothing in-hand for the next issue. I have about five articles promised, plus two I'm working on personally. I'm in the same boat as TKM. The only thing that saves me is that we publishe quarterly.

The thing I try to get across to everyone is that you don't have to be a genious to write for one of the three e-zines (TKM, B&OM, and SCLM). All three of these magazines have guys that will help you write, edit, and do what it takes to get your articles printed. Give us a freight car model and a page of good text, and we'll help hunt down prototype info, photos and make a great four-page spread with your name on it.

I just completed an SCL Modeler survey and many of the guys that responded said they wanted more STMFC content. So, how about it, guys--how about writing up some one or two page STMFC articles for your favorite e-zine?

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN






--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@> wrote:

Folks;

I know you are hearing this a lot lately, but I have to make a plea...

If you enjoy reading The Keystone Modeler, please, PLEASE, consider making a
contribution for publication.

We are currently down to a very small staff, all unpaid, and the vast
majority employed in demanding jobs, and we just cannot support, alone, the
demands (a.k.a., the "black hole") of a monthly magazine/e-zine, without
considerable help.

Without your help, we will be forced to consider some drastic measures, which
our readership will not like.

We welcome articles about any PRR subjects with an endpoint on modeling or
model operations; steam, freight, passenger, diesels, MW, structures, ROW,
ops, etc.

I hope you will consider helping ALL of us who enjoy reading, and seeing,
what others have accomplished.

We look forward to hearing from you,

Elden Gatwood
Chair, PRRT&HS Modeling Committee
TKM Contributor


Wood Boxcar ID

John Strenski
 

Hello Group:

We found this wood boxcar today:

http://soo2408.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1576460

Any help ID'ing it's possible former owner would be appreciated.

Also found this one a little far from home:

http://soo2408.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1576468

Holes in the roofs is to get some air into the cars, otherwise, the farmer would probably fall over with heat stroke upon entry.

Thanks very much for the help.

John
WF TX


Re: ATSF 1958 cft covered hopper

David North <davenorth@...>
 

Dave, thanks for the correction.
My source for Ga-52 info was Ed Hawkins' email 2005/08/07. I
made bad notes for the Ga-65 since Hendrickson posted correct
info back in 1999. Same with my Ga-67 notes.
Tim O'Connor



No probs, Tim.

Of course, I'm assuming that the folio diagrams were correct.

While I have no reason to doubt them, human nature dictates that errors

may occur occasionally.

Cheers

Dave


Re: REA Wood Express Reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Sandifer wrote:
You may want to check out
http://www.atsfrr.net/Reviews/HO/Foreign/GACXExpReef/Index.htm
Very nice, objective and specific reviews, Steve. Hard to imagine any more to discuss beyond what you've contributed.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: REA Wood Express Reefers

Steve SANDIFER
 

--- On Wed, 4/22/09, larrywolohon@comcast.net <larrywolohon@comcast.net> wrote:

From: larrywolohon@comcast.net <larrywolohon@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] REA Wood Express Reefers
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 6:23 PM









Paul,

That is what the RP Cyc 7 shows. I would say that it looks correct.

Hope this helps.

Larry Wolohon
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From: "Paul Hillman" <chris_hillman@ msn.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:16:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] REA Wood Express Reefers

Hello Larry,

Thanks for the info. Looks like Walthers #932-5485 fits the 1948-50 period.

http://www.walthers .com/exec/ productinfo/ 932-5485 < http://www.walthers .com/exec/ productinfo/ 932-5485 >

Does this look correct?

Thanks, Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: larrywolohon@ comcast.net <mailto: larrywolohon@ comcast.net >
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com <mailto: STMFC@yahoogroups. com >
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] REA Wood Express Reefers

Paul,

The REA still used wood express reefers in the 1948 - 50 period. They were painted, per my copy of RP Cyc 7, Dark Green, gold letterin & black canvas roofs. no red & white diamond. The REA's first steel reefers came out in 1947 - 48. The Branchline kits in the aluminum & green paint job is the original scheme. They were later painted like the wood with Dark Green & gold lettering. The red & white diamond scheme came out in the late 50's. See RP Cyc 7 for more info.

Larry Wolohon
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From: "Paul & Bernice Hillman" < chris_hillman@ msn.com <mailto:chris_ hillman%40msn. com>>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com <mailto:STMFC% 40yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:55:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] REA Wood Express Reefers

Walthers is selling REA Wood Express Reefers, #'s 932-5471 & 932-5485.

When did REA quit using wood cars? Specfically were they in use in the 1948-1950 period? Or were they steel by then?

Thanks, Paul Hillman

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Re: CNW, NKP war emergency boxcar questions

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Jim,
I'm looking at page 26 of the C&NW's 1951 freight car equipment diagram book.

There is a note as follows: "SPECIAL DATA:-These cars are the balance of the original order of 675 cars, P.S.C.M.CO. LOT No. 5704. 258 cars were built, being steel sheathed, in 1942 at Mich. City, prior to being froze by W.P.B Order, and are numbered 76900 to 77414 EV."

The original order must have been for about 675 cars. 76900-77414 were the original cars built in 1942 while 77416-78248 were the war emergency cars built in 1943? (year is a little hard to read) under P-S lot No. 5752.

All the war emergency cars had Viking roofs as did the cars built in 1942.
Side doors were "Superior and Youngstown corrugated with Camel fixtures"
Hand brake - Universal
Brake step & running boards - Apex Tri-Lok
Ends - Dreadnaught "two-piece, round corners"

I have a photo (a copy of which I am sending you separately) of CNW 77932 which has steel sides in place of the wood. It is still single-sheathed to the trusses are visible. The door has been widened.

Hope this helps.

Gene Green
Out in the west Texas town of El Paso


Re: ATSF 1958 cft covered hopper

Ed Hawkins
 

On Apr 22, 2009, at 10:37 AM, charles slater wrote:

Peter, all the Santa Fe covered hoppers in these classes had four seam caps on the roof.

Intermountain is supposed to be making the ribed roof and hopefully will be out soon. The only classes of Santa Fe cars with the opensides were the ten cars of the Ga-45 class (it would be a kitbash from the intermountain car) and the Ga-52 class.

Also don't forget the Ga-79 class of hoppers in this group.

Charlie Slater
Charlie and Tim,
InterMountain's model will have both the open and closed side variants, and as Doug Dolloff stated the roof with seam caps is coming in a month or two. These are good variations to have available.

There's another aspect of an accurate Santa Fe model (plus cars for numerous other roads) that hasn't yet been discussed, namely the configuration of the hatch covers and locking bars.

If I have my facts straight, Santa Fe's covered hopper cars of this type had two different hatch cover configurations. The Ga-52, Ga-58, Ga-65, Ga-75 (series 182310-182559 only), and Ga-79 had hatch covers that essentially match the IM model with one long grab iron that runs longitudinally near the outboard edge. However, none of these cars were built by ACF (all were built either by GATC or ATSF), and an ACF locking bar design was used as the basis on IM models released to date. Therefore, even though the hatch covers for the stated classes of ATSF cars will be the right style, the locking bars are of a different appearance unless IM chooses to produce at least one more style of locking bar.

The Ga-67 and Ga-71 cars built in 1949 had a different hatch cover design with a pair of small grab irons that were perpendicular to the roof edge. This was actually the "common" hatch cover design for nearly all other prototype cars equipped with seam-capped roofs. Other railroads having roof/hatch arrangements like the Ga-67 and Ga-71 include all MP & subsidiaries, all but one early order for Burlington, M-K-T, LS&BC, and selected series of cars for CIL, D&RGW, DMIR, EJ&E, GN, and SL-SF. Locking bars for these cars were yet another variation. There's actually a third hatch cover arrangement used on some cars with seam-capped roofs (C&EI and GTW), but enough is enough.

The bottom line: it remains to be seen if IM will produce the more common hatch covers that were used on the majority of cars having roofs with seam caps. Perhaps Doug can provide some insight on this. Then there's still the matter of different locking bar arrangements used by the various builders. The car builder's sure knew how to make things complicated for scale models being produced 55-70 years later!
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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