--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Apr 23, 2009, at 7:44 AM, sparachuk wrote:

I have a question for the group; how quickly after the war did the
"Buy More War Bonds" slogans disappear from rolling stock? Was it
policy to repaint ASAP? I haven't seen many photos of cars in the
late forties with the slogans. I have a few cars with the slogan
and I'll probably get more because they speak so clearly of the
mood of their time.

Stephan, I can't speak for other RRs, but somewhere in my files I
have a copy of the bulletin sent out ca. 1946 to yardmasters and car
shop foremen on the Santa Fe calling for the 100 cars of class Bx-36
with the "Buy War Bonds" stenciling to be rounded up and repainted.
On the Santa Fe, at least, the slogan cars disappeared very rapidly.


Richard Hendrickson

Thanks Richard. I was afraid that might be the answer but I can't say I'm surprised people would want to put the war behind them. I'll have to control my urge to get too many cars with that motto. A few though, I can't resist.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto

On Apr 23, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Clark Propst wrote:

#1 How did the "dreadnaught" end get it's name?

From the British battleship Dreadnought which, when it was built in
1906, was a major advance in warship design and was thought at the
time to be impregnable.

#2 What the heck is part 32 on the Tichy AB brake sprue?

A ratchet and lever style hand brake.

Richard Hendrickson

This may be obviouos, but the term "dreadnaught" was applied to the first battleships developed by England prior to (and somewhat leading to) the first world war.
The term means fear nothing.... it didn't work out to be the ultimate weapon as we know from subsequent history.
I am pretty sure the marketers lifted the term from what was around the turn of the century through the twenties a hot technolorgy.
Charlie Vlk

Clark,

This might be of some help understanding from where the term originated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought . In general, the manufacturers of railroad specialties like car ends and roofs like macho-sounding names: Dreadnaught, Indestructible, Viking, etc. Pure marketing. I'm sure Richard will jump in here shortly with more specific information.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Clark Propst wrote:

#1 How did the "dreadnaught" end get it's name?

#2 What the heck is part 32 on the Tichy AB brake sprue?

As always thanks for any answers,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

On Apr 23, 2009, at 9:00 AM, asychis@... wrote:

Regarding the recent information circulating on the list about the
IMRC
1958 cuft covered hopper, and it's variations that InterMountain could
produce. Were any of these cars used in MOW service by the ATSF or UP?

The Santa Fe used some of them in company sand and gravel service,
but many years after the period of this list.

Richard Hendrickson

Hello group:

In the September, 2004 Mainline Modeler, Mont Switzer explained how he modified an Intermountain HO composite gondola to more closely resemble Monon 33171.  He used elongated spiral ends cast by Chad Boas (Car Shops) and decals from Model Railroad Supply.

I would like to replicate his work but "googling" hasn't located Car Shops and Model Railroad Supply doesn't seem to have these decals on their list.

Can anyone give me some direction?

Thanks.

Steve Bishop


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On Apr 23, 2009, at 7:44 AM, sparachuk wrote:

I have a question for the group; how quickly after the war did the
"Buy More War Bonds" slogans disappear from rolling stock? Was it
policy to repaint ASAP? I haven't seen many photos of cars in the
late forties with the slogans. I have a few cars with the slogan
and I'll probably get more because they speak so clearly of the
mood of their time.

Stephan, I can't speak for other RRs, but somewhere in my files I
have a copy of the bulletin sent out ca. 1946 to yardmasters and car
shop foremen on the Santa Fe calling for the 100 cars of class Bx-36
with the "Buy War Bonds" stenciling to be rounded up and repainted.
On the Santa Fe, at least, the slogan cars disappeared very rapidly.


Richard Hendrickson

Jerry

Many of the cars were de-roofed and equipped with side
discharge outlets for ballast service. But that was well
after the STMFC era. Pecos River Brass also imported a
couple of rebuild models.

Tim O'Connor

Walt,

Sorry for not expressing myself correctly. I was asking for kits with the new roof with seam caps.
Peter Aue

I have a question for the group; how quickly after the war did the "Buy More War Bonds" slogans disappear from rolling stock? Was it policy to repaint ASAP? I haven't seen many photos of cars in the late forties with the slogans. I have a few cars with the slogan and I'll probably get more because they speak so clearly of the mood of their time.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto

While Mr. Welch has provided a great source of information for wood reefers
for these three companies through the modelling "e-'zines"? I was wondering
if there is any information about steel reefers for these companies, in
terms of books or magazine articles? Also, I know Sunshine produces wood
reefer kits for these, but does anyone offer kits for steel reefers for the
companies?

In case this assists with answering questions, I'm interested in 1952.

Thanks much in advance,
Greg Snook

Rich,

--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:

Red Caboose is in the process of moving.>

OK I'll just have to wait for them to get straight again.

Also, the X29 is out of stock.? The next run is due in June.? This is from a flyer sent to dealers.>

Odd, when I placed the order they were in stock, hence my concern at non-arrival.

Regards,
Des Norman

Gentlemen,

Yesterday, in the attached message, I wrote "...you don't have to be a genious to write for one of the three e-zines...".

It takes a real genious to mis-spell the word genius.

This kind of humor works for Clark because he executes it perfectly. Unfortunately, it appears I am still his student.

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

--- In STMFC@..., "peteraue" <peteraue@...> wrote:

What are the chances that InterMountain will make undecorated kits available?

The initial version of this car is available as an undec kit, No. 43699.
It seems that most IM cars are offered in kit form: http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/hokit.htm

Walt Lankenau

Regarding the recent information circulating on the list about the IMRC
1958 cuft covered hopper, and it's variations that InterMountain could
produce. Were any of these cars used in MOW service by the ATSF or UP?

Thanks,

Jerry Michels
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Jim and all

Ray Breyer's right about the April rebuild of most of these cars to the 8200 series steel sides. Going back after I posted and looking again at my 7/1966 ORER it shows 96 cars listed in the 8200-8299 series in NKP paint and these cars show the XML designation with DF equipment.

The same ORER shows only 4 cars in service in N&W paint in series 208200-208299 at this time and while they do show the XML designation there's no indication of DF equipment on these 4.

One unusual item about these rebuilds: the doors were replaced from the original 6' Superior to 9' Youngstown - quite a significant increase.

Sorry about that Ray. You just never want to say "never". Totally forgot about the rebuilds!

Ralph Miller

--- In STMFC@..., James Mischke <jmischke@...> wrote:

The Intermountain web site show them coming out with WWII war
emergency single sheath boxcars, as ready-to-run, for September
2009 release, in NKP, C&NW, ATSF road names.


Nickel Plate questions: Web artwork shows NKP 8026. Original
series 8000-8199. I understand cars in this series were
renumbered into a 20800 series at some point. When?? Were
they ever steel sheathed or were they woodies to the end? I
model 1964. Any left then? ORER 1/64 notes mention Evans auto
loading equipment, 20800 series might be a different car by then.

C&NW questions: Web artwork shows C&NW 77542. Did these
prototypes all have Viking roofs? ORER shows plenty left in
1/64. ORER notes suggest some/many/most/all remaining cars had
been daylighted into hoppers for coke service. How many and
when? Please clarify. Growing up in Ames, Iowa, I remember
seeing these war emergency boxcars as a kid in the late 1960's -
early 1970's. All I saw were steel sheathed with Clinton
reweigh dates. (An aside, I thought "CLN" meant "cleaned" back
then) When was the metal sheathing done? Any woodies left by 1964?


Any insights on these familiar and interesting boxcars would be
appreciated. My motivation: I would like one or two but they
need to be original configuration during or close to my era (1964-65).

Jim -

The NKP 8000-8199 Pullman-Standard series war emergency cars, built in 1944, were never steel sheathed and continued as built into the merger with the N&W. If you have Ted Culotta's "Steam Era Freight Car Reference Manual" there's an excellent builder's photo of car 8026 on page 168.

I have the 7/1966 ORER which lists these cars as having only 22 left in NKP paint but none are listed at this time with Evans equipment. Nor does my 1964 NKP Equipment Diagrams list them as having this equipment installed either.

Surprisingly, the 1966 ORER does list the N&W renumber to 208000-208199 but does not indicate there were any still in service in N&W paint by July of '66.

Hope Intermountain gets the dreadnaught ends correct on these.

Ralph Miller
Craftsman's Model Railroad Supply

Thanks to all who responded about reefer yellow/orange/gray/white. I
definitely had my questions answered!

Jerry Michels
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--- In STMFC@..., Doug Dolloff <doug_irc@...> wrote:

We are tooling a new roof with the seam caps. It should be available in a month or two.
 
Best regards,
Doug Dolloff
InterMountain

What are the chances that InterMountain will make undecorated kits available? Modifiying ready to run cars with paint stripping and the rest of it is such a hassle. Please give it a try and have kits for sale.
Peter Aue