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Re: Red Caboose

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I model 1942 so I need white lettering, please.

Jason Sanford

--- On Sat, 5/2/09, Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@intel.com> wrote:
From: Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Red Caboose
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 9:22 AM

Chris,

I can definitely say that the cars will be UP S-40-6, but the
details differed on some of the cars, and the details changed over the years. I
am not sure which detail version will be produced; you'll have to wait for
an official announcment for that.

What specific UP stock cars are you looking for, and what year do
you model?

Regards,

-Jeff


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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
leakinmywaders
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:48 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Red Caboose





Jeff: Hi, I'm looking for some a couple specific UP stock car types to
match traffic records on the NP, and I'm curious what number series this Red
Caboose model will represent, and over what span of years they were rostered.
Thanks,

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Aley,
Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:

Jason,

You will see a UP stock car from Red Caboose, as a result of efforts by
the UPHS.

Regards,
...






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Re: PFE R40-10/23/25 running boards

Tim O'Connor
 

Bernd, here are the R-40-23 "specialties" for the R-40-23.
These are from a Dick Harley email. If you search the STMFC
archive for the word "specialties" you will find a number
of conversations about PFE and NP PC&F ice reefers.

Perhaps we could beg Dick to compile this information for
us for the R-40-10 and R-40-25??? :-)

Running Boards & Brake Steps -

4000 - Morton, car numbers: 6001-8000, 46703-48702
1000 - U.S.Gypsum, car numbers: 5001-6000

Hand Brakes -

1250 - Ajax, car numbers: 5001-5250, 7501-8000, 48203-48702
1250 - Equipco, car numbers: 6001-6500, 6751-7000, 46703-47202
1250 - Universal, car numbers: 5751-6000, 7001-7500, 47703-48202
750 - Miner, car numbers: 5251-5750, 47203-47452
500 - Superior, car numbers: 6501-6750, 47453-47702

Air Brakes -

3500 - New York, car numbers: 5500-5999, 6001-7500, 46703-48202
1500 - Westinghouse, car numbers: 5001-5499, 6000, 7501-8000, 48203-48702

Door Fasteners -

2500 - Miner, car numbers: 5001-7000, 46703-47202
2500 - Universal, car numbers: 7001-8000, 47203-48702

Tim O'Connor

I am preparing a bunch of Intermountain kits of these cars. Since the
included running board is far from great, I intend to use some replacement
parts from Plano - just which ones ? Plano offers Apex, Morton, US Gypsum
and Transco.

I couldn�t find a reference in the PFE book and the article in RMJ 10/94
mentions "Morton or US Gypsum" without further details.

thanks for any help
Bernd Schroeder
Adelsdorf, Germany


Re: Red Caboose

Aley, Jeff A
 

Chris,

I can definitely say that the cars will be UP S-40-6, but the details differed on some of the cars, and the details changed over the years. I am not sure which detail version will be produced; you'll have to wait for an official announcment for that.

What specific UP stock cars are you looking for, and what year do you model?

Regards,

-Jeff


________________________________
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of leakinmywaders
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:48 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Red Caboose





Jeff: Hi, I'm looking for some a couple specific UP stock car types to match traffic records on the NP, and I'm curious what number series this Red Caboose model will represent, and over what span of years they were rostered. Thanks,

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:

Jason,

You will see a UP stock car from Red Caboose, as a result of efforts by the UPHS.

Regards,
...


Re: Red Caboose

Aley, Jeff A
 

Steve,

All very true. The UP S-40-6 will involve new tooling. The UPHS is attempting to "get it right", lest we incur the wrath of the knowledgable members of the STMFC! :)

Regards,

-Jeff


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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of S hed
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:10 PM
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Red Caboose





If you go by Red Caboose's classification that they are selling a S-40-5 than you are out of luck with a UP S-40-5 because they didn't have any.

The UP, OSL, and O-WR&N had S-40-4 Harriman stock cars and didn't own any S-40-5 Harriman stock cars. That is according to the Oct 2006 RMJ article called "Harriman Standard (UP/SP/WP) 36-foot Stock Cars From Red Caboose Models" by Richard Hendrickson.

According to Anthony Thompson's SP Freight Cars Volume 1 book, the S-40-5 was basically a S-40-4 with a modified underframe (double center sills). Plus it had a feed door only on the A-end of the car. And comparing a S-40-4 and a S-40-5 you can see that there is a noticable difference between the two car's underframes. The -5 appears (to me anyway) to have a larger and deeper underframe than the -4. I don't have any pictures to compare the ends on the -4 and the -5 so I can't say for sure what the differences are.

From what I have found the following railroads owned S-40-5 stock cars:

NWP (5670 to 5729) - 60 cars, built in 1916

GH&SA (62100 to 62199) - 100 cars, built in 1916

H&TC (62200 to 62349) - 150 cars, built in 1916

SP (73349 to 73798) - 450 cars, built in 1916 to 1917

SPdeM (12051 to 12091) - 51 cars, built in 1915

T&NO (62100 to 62199) - ex-GH&SA (transferred in 1930)

T&NO (62200 to 62349) ex-H&TC (transferred in 1930)

Its too bad that Red Caboose didn't start with the S-40-4 first since there were more roads that owned them including the UP, OSL, and O-WR&N. These would have included the SP, GH&SA, HE&WT, H&TC, NWP, PE, T&NO, and SPdeM.

- Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA


To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
From: leakinmywaders@yahoo.com<mailto:leakinmywaders%40yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 02:48:21 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Red Caboose

Jeff: Hi, I'm looking for some a couple specific UP stock car types to match traffic records on the NP, and I'm curious what number series this Red Caboose model will represent, and over what span of years they were rostered. Thanks,

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:

Jason,

You will see a UP stock car from Red Caboose, as a result of efforts by the UPHS.

Regards,
...
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Re: C&IM 70-ton gondola car builder and date

water.kresse@...
 

Thank you kind sir.  The mixed Murphy and Dreadnaught ends would be consistent with the N&W 90-ton GKd end-panels rebuilds in 1927-28.  Do you remember if they had vertical shaft hand brakes or powered hand brakes?



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "proto48er" <atkott@swbell.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 10:21:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Re: C&IM 70-ton gondola car builder and date

Al -

If no one produces a copy of a diagram sheet for these cars, I had the opportunity to measure one of them enroute to Mexico years ago - can supply raw measurements.  I have no idea which number series it came from - some had Drednaught ends and some had Murphy corrugated ends.  I recall that the one I measured was corrugated.  I built three of these cars in "O" scale back in the 1970's out of brass, but sold all of them years ago.

A.T. Kott


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "al.kresse" <water.kresse@...> wrote:

Folks,

Does anyone have the builder and deliv date for the Chicago and Illinois Midland CIM 7000-series 70-ton depressed center floor offset-sides gons?

A FC Diag Sht would be great also.

Also, does anyone know what type/builder (tilting or rotary) of car dumper was used at the C&IM Havana, Illinois, coal car unloader-river barge loader facility and when it was installed?

Al Kresse


Re: GATX Dry-Flo tank/covered hopper car

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

I didn't know or didn't recall that GATX used the term "Dry-Flo" to refer to later products of the covered hopper type.

My question was about a tank car using a pair of conveyer belts to move granular material to the center of the tank car for unloading. The external characteristics of note were small loading hatches along the top of the car on either side of the dome. There was also a "houseing" at each end through with the conveyer belt ran.

Gene Green


Re: GATX Dry-Flo tank/covered hopper car

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, cj riley <cjriley42@...> wrote:

Gene,There are are 2 photos and 2 drawings in the Train Shed Cyc #12  p351. The date is 1937. It would be an interesting model with the chains exposed outside the ends. Must have been a problem with dirt and wet collecting on the outside and then transfered inside.
CJ Riley

The design couldn't have been too successful or there would have been more of them. The covered hopper we are used to seeing had no moving parts. That has to be an advantage.

What struck me was that such a small, conservatively run railroad as the M&StL would try something that departed so far from the norm.

Gene Green


PFE R40-10/23/25 running boards

Bernd Schroeder
 

Hi list,

I am preparing a bunch of Intermountain kits of these cars. Since the included running board is far from great, I intend to use some replacement parts from Plano - just which ones ? Plano offers Apex, Morton, US Gypsum and Transco.

I couldn�t find a reference in the PFE book and the article in RMJ 10/94 mentions "Morton or US Gypsum" without further details.


thanks for any help

Bernd Schroeder
Adelsdorf, Germany


Re: Red Caboose

balryan@...
 

Some information for Jason Sanford.? The convention car for the UPHS in that will be in Cheyenne will be a UP Stock car from information I have at present to looks like the Society will market the car in the future.
Ryan Ballard

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 1 May 2009 5:56 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose








Red Caboose also has it on their website, straight from the horse's mouth.? Hopefully we will soon see a Union Pacific stock car based on the SP cars they did.? Keeping the fingers crossed.

http://www.red-caboose.com/cgi-bin/e_catalog/catalog.cgi

Jason Sanford

--- On Fri, 5/1/09, LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@verizon.net> wrote:
From: LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:35 PM

Pacific Western Rail Systems is announcing that Intermountain is taking over
production and marketing of Red Caboose products.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ
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Re: Red Caboose

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

=Steve Hedlund wrote:
According to Anthony Thompson's SP Freight Cars Volume 1 book, the S-40-5 was basically a S-40-4 with a modified underframe (double center sills). Plus it had a feed door only on the A-end of the car. And comparing a S-40-4 and a S-40-5 you can see that there is a noticable difference between the two car's underframes. The -5 appears (to me anyway) to have a larger and deeper underframe than the -4.
No, the contour is almost identical. The SP -5 double underframe had two center sills instead of one.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Red Caboose

S hed <shed999@...>
 

If you go by Red Caboose's classification that they are selling a S-40-5 than you are out of luck with a UP S-40-5 because they didn't have any.



The UP, OSL, and O-WR&N had S-40-4 Harriman stock cars and didn't own any S-40-5 Harriman stock cars. That is according to the Oct 2006 RMJ article called "Harriman Standard (UP/SP/WP) 36-foot Stock Cars From Red Caboose Models" by Richard Hendrickson.



According to Anthony Thompson's SP Freight Cars Volume 1 book, the S-40-5 was basically a S-40-4 with a modified underframe (double center sills). Plus it had a feed door only on the A-end of the car. And comparing a S-40-4 and a S-40-5 you can see that there is a noticable difference between the two car's underframes. The -5 appears (to me anyway) to have a larger and deeper underframe than the -4. I don't have any pictures to compare the ends on the -4 and the -5 so I can't say for sure what the differences are.



From what I have found the following railroads owned S-40-5 stock cars:

NWP (5670 to 5729) - 60 cars, built in 1916

GH&SA (62100 to 62199) - 100 cars, built in 1916

H&TC (62200 to 62349) - 150 cars, built in 1916

SP (73349 to 73798) - 450 cars, built in 1916 to 1917

SPdeM (12051 to 12091) - 51 cars, built in 1915

T&NO (62100 to 62199) - ex-GH&SA (transferred in 1930)

T&NO (62200 to 62349) ex-H&TC (transferred in 1930)



Its too bad that Red Caboose didn't start with the S-40-4 first since there were more roads that owned them including the UP, OSL, and O-WR&N. These would have included the SP, GH&SA, HE&WT, H&TC, NWP, PE, T&NO, and SPdeM.



- Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA



To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: leakinmywaders@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 02:48:21 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Red Caboose







Jeff: Hi, I'm looking for some a couple specific UP stock car types to match traffic records on the NP, and I'm curious what number series this Red Caboose model will represent, and over what span of years they were rostered. Thanks,

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:

Jason,

You will see a UP stock car from Red Caboose, as a result of efforts by the UPHS.

Regards,
...








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Re: IM plywood panel boxcar kit

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I have taken notice of the new IM car due out this month. Checking back posts some have noted it to be a war baby. This is to late for me but does anyone have any current information.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Red Caboose

leakinmywaders
 

Jeff: Hi, I'm looking for some a couple specific UP stock car types to match traffic records on the NP, and I'm curious what number series this Red Caboose model will represent, and over what span of years they were rostered. Thanks,

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:

Jason,

You will see a UP stock car from Red Caboose, as a result of efforts by the UPHS.

Regards,
...


Re: C&IM 70-ton gondola car builder and date

proto48er
 

Al -

If no one produces a copy of a diagram sheet for these cars, I had the opportunity to measure one of them enroute to Mexico years ago - can supply raw measurements. I have no idea which number series it came from - some had Drednaught ends and some had Murphy corrugated ends. I recall that the one I measured was corrugated. I built three of these cars in "O" scale back in the 1970's out of brass, but sold all of them years ago.

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "al.kresse" <water.kresse@...> wrote:

Folks,

Does anyone have the builder and deliv date for the Chicago and Illinois Midland CIM 7000-series 70-ton depressed center floor offset-sides gons?

A FC Diag Sht would be great also.

Also, does anyone know what type/builder (tilting or rotary) of car dumper was used at the C&IM Havana, Illinois, coal car unloader-river barge loader facility and when it was installed?

Al Kresse


Re: Red Caboose

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

Thanks for the heads up!  Will I see a stock car with pre 1947 white lettering?  That is what I really need.

Jason Sanford

--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@intel.com> wrote:
From: Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Red Caboose
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 6:17 PM

Jason,

You will see a UP stock car from Red Caboose, as a result of
efforts by the UPHS.

Regards,

-Jeff

Disclaimer: I'm on the UPHS car committee.


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Sanford
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 4:56 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose








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Re: Red Caboose

Aley, Jeff A
 

Jason,

You will see a UP stock car from Red Caboose, as a result of efforts by the UPHS.

Regards,

-Jeff

Disclaimer: I'm on the UPHS car committee.


________________________________
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Sanford
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 4:56 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose





Red Caboose also has it on their website, straight from the horse's mouth. Hopefully we will soon see a Union Pacific stock car based on the SP cars they did. Keeping the fingers crossed.

http://www.red-caboose.com/cgi-bin/e_catalog/catalog.cgi

Jason Sanford

--- On Fri, 5/1/09, LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@verizon.net<mailto:octoraro1%40verizon.net>> wrote:
From: LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@verizon.net<mailto:octoraro1%40verizon.net>>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:35 PM

Pacific Western Rail Systems is announcing that Intermountain is taking over
production and marketing of Red Caboose products.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ
--- On Wed, 4/22/09, SUVCWORR@aol.com<mailto:SUVCWORR%40aol.com> <SUVCWORR@aol.com<mailto:SUVCWORR%40aol.com>> wrote:


Re: Red Caboose

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

Red Caboose also has it on their website, straight from the horse's mouth.  Hopefully we will soon see a Union Pacific stock car based on the SP cars they did.  Keeping the fingers crossed.

http://www.red-caboose.com/cgi-bin/e_catalog/catalog.cgi

Jason Sanford

--- On Fri, 5/1/09, LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@verizon.net> wrote:
From: LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:35 PM

Pacific Western Rail Systems is announcing that Intermountain is taking over
production and marketing of Red Caboose products.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ
--- On Wed, 4/22/09, SUVCWORR@aol.com <SUVCWORR@aol.com> wrote:







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Re: Red Caboose

LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
 

Pacific Western Rail Systems is announcing that Intermountain is taking over production and marketing of Red Caboose products.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ

--- On Wed, 4/22/09, SUVCWORR@aol.com <SUVCWORR@aol.com> wrote:

From: SUVCWORR@aol.com <SUVCWORR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 5:11 PM








Red Caboose is in the process of moving.? Also, the X29 is out of stock.? The next run is due in June.? This is from a flyer sent to dealers.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Des Norman <desanorman@yahoo. co.uk>
To: STMFC group <STMFC@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 1:48 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Red Caboose

Hi,
I'm wondering if something's changed at Red Caboose.

About a month ago I ordered some X29 kits and had an acknowledgement
from Bill, but nothing has arrived yet. I've not had a reply to 2 emails
since, and now the phone appears to be unavailable.

Does anyone know if there's a problem there, please?

Des Norman

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Re: GATX Dry-Flo tank/covered hopper car

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

RMC 11/90. It has photo of CB&Q 85301 and listing of the 3500 cu ft Dry-Flo cars. Production started in 1958. I also recall a photo in the Classic Frieght Cars volume on large LOs.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Green

Kurt,
I'm not sure but probably only the 1932 vintage car. I sold all my Cycs dated after 1950. Darn! I'll search for the RMC article. Do you have a citation?


File listing reefer origins in northwest US

np328
 

In the files section, is a word file from data found in the Northern Pacific General Managers files and transcribed from
several different replies. It deals with the origination of
fruit and vegetable shipments from the Pacific Northwest region
of the US in 1934.

I found the listings of train make-up, icing locations,
schedules, and other data interesting. I hope others will also.

States covered are Idaho, Washington, and Oregon.

Railroads that have data listed are UP, GN, SP, SP&S, NP, and
to a lesser extent SI.

Find the file about three-fifths down the files page under
"Fruit and Vegetable Transit in PNW 1934.doc "

James Dick - St. Paul

111321 - 111340 of 192619