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Re: Image Of Biplane Unloaded From Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

It's clearly stenciled Fe-N, BLT 7-13

At 5/22/2009 03:52 PM Friday, you wrote:
On May 22, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

Below is a link to an image of a biplane being unloaded from a
boxcar in Phoenix, AZ, around 1930. This image is from the Arizona
Memory Project



FWIW, the "box car" was actually a Santa Fe end door furniture and
automobile car of class Fe-L, Fe-n, or Fe-O.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Image Of Biplane Unloaded From Boxcar

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 22, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

Below is a link to an image of a biplane being unloaded from a
boxcar in Phoenix, AZ, around 1930. This image is from the Arizona
Memory Project



FWIW, the "box car" was actually a Santa Fe end door furniture and
automobile car of class Fe-L, Fe-n, or Fe-O.

Richard Hendrickson


Image Of Biplane Unloaded From Boxcar

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Below is a link to an image of a biplane being unloaded from a boxcar in Phoenix, AZ, around 1930. This image is from the Arizona Memory Project

The Arizona Memory Project (http://azmemory.lib.az.us/index.php) is an online effort to provide access to the primary sources in Arizona libraries, archives, museums and other cultural institutions. This initiative provides the opportunity to view some of the best examples of government documents, photographs, maps, and objects that chronicle Arizona's past and present.

Here is the image link:
http://azmemory.lib.az.us/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/ahfrein&CISOPTR=147&CISOBOX=1&REC=7

or

http://tinyurl.com/ooljjd

Description from the site: "A Kinner American Eagle being unloaded from a boxcar at the Phoenix railroad docks. Shipping by train was just as economical as flying and offered less exposure to the aircraft. The wings and props were crated and the fuselage covered and wheels blocked. "

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


4 sale-Tahoe Model Works New Coil-Elliptic truck and others

Andy Carlson
 

I am offering Brian's trucks for sale to readers of this list.
All TMW trucks are $6.25 list, my price is $5.00/pair

I have the following:

201 Dalmann 2-level plain code 88 wheels
202 Dalmann 2-level lateral device code 88
203 Archbar truck with code 88
204 Bettendorf swing motion with code 88
205 Barber-Bettendorf swing motion code 88
206 Buckeye 50 ton spring plank AAR code 88
207 Double Truss 50 ton AAR self-aligning, spring plankless code 88
208 Coil Eliptic spring plank 50 ton code 88

The above trucks are also available with RP-25 code 110 wheels, same price

The above trucks are also available less wheelsets for $1.75 pair

******ACCURAIL TRUCKS******
Accurail "Bettendorf" spring plank trucks, less wheelsets $1.00/pair
Proto Accumate semi-scale couplers, 2 pair pack (4 couplers) with draft gear $2.25/pack
******BRANCHLINE TRAINS TRUCKS******
Branchline Barber 2-A 50 ton plain journal truck less wheelsets $1.00/pair
******McHENRY Shelf couplers******

McHenry safety shelf couplers 25 pair $22.99 list, $14.00/package of 25 pair

All prices are less shipping. Contact me at <midcentury@...> off list (Please). Note: I now accept PayPal for Payment with a 4% surcharge.



Available now from Tahoe Model Works is the new HO Coil-Elliptic 50-ton freight car truck.

This is the Double Truss version, with a centered leaf spring with coil springs on both sides. The prototype trucks either had a spring plank or were Self Aligning Spring Plankless. I've done the truck with a spring plank.

The railroads that I know of using this kind of truck on some equipment during our period include BAR, C&O, CGW, DT&I, Erie, LNE, N&W, VGN and WM. Some AC&F tank cars built in 1937 also had them.-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Request for info about SFRD Mechanical Reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

classes and build dates were for the following SFRD
mechanical reefers, listed in the January 1957 ORER:

SFRD 1000-1004 (Rr-?)
SFRD 2000-2108 (Rr-?)
SFRD 3150-3179 (Rr-?)

3150-3179 were Rr-54. There is a 1953 builder photo on page 171
of the Great Yellow Fleet. Sadly, there are only four accurate
HO scale models of mechanical refrigerators: one BRE/FGE (plastic
Pacific HO), one FGE (WrightTrak resin), and two post 1960 PFE
models that arrived in 2009 from Red Caboose and Intermountain.
Athearn makes three others w/ varying degrees of inaccuracy and
only one of those resembles a pre-1960 model.

The good news is that with Archer rivets scratchbuilding one is
not nearly as hard as it used to be...

Tim O'Connor


Re: New Coil-Elliptic truck

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Oops, Western Maryland didn't have round roof box cars. I can add that their 50701-50800 series 52' gons, blt. 1937 with steel floors, had this truck--I think. Sunshine does the kit.

Brian
TMW

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 9:27 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: New Coil-Elliptic truck


--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Anyone have a roster of cars using this truck? I was
only aware of some DT&I and CGW cars...

Tim
I'm trying to gather up my notes into a roster, but, after recent discussion on Morning Sun accuracy, it'll take a little longer.

Some or all 1932 ARA box cars owned by BAR, C&O, CGW, Erie, and WM had this truck. Also, round roof box and auto cars owned by N&W, Virginian, DT&I and Western Maryland. Lehigh & New England loved it.

And others...

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV



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Request for info about SFRD Mechanical Reefers

Rob Erickson <pattirobpatti@...>
 

Group, can anyone tell me what the classes and build dates were for the following SFRD mechanical reefers, listed in the January 1957 ORER:

SFRD 1000-1004 (Rr-?)

SFRD 2000-2108 (Rr-?)

SFRD 3150-3179 (Rr-?)

Are there any models available in HO scale for these cars?

Thanks, Rob Erickson


Re: New Coil-Elliptic truck

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Anyone have a roster of cars using this truck? I was
only aware of some DT&I and CGW cars...

Tim
I'm trying to gather up my notes into a roster, but, after recent discussion on Morning Sun accuracy, it'll take a little longer.

Some or all 1932 ARA box cars owned by BAR, C&O, CGW, Erie, and WM had this truck. Also, round roof box and auto cars owned by N&W, Virginian, DT&I and Western Maryland. Lehigh & New England loved it.

And others...

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: New Coil-Elliptic truck

jfbrewer@...
 

Tim,



N&W used these trucks on the B-1, B-2 and B-3 boxcars; there may have been other classes, but I'm not sure right now.  Also, I think VGN used them on the 50' "round roof" boxcars (similar to N&W B-3 and PRR ???).



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:22:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New Coil-Elliptic truck









Anyone have a roster of cars using this truck? I was
only aware of some DT&I and CGW cars...

Tim

At 5/22/2009 11:06 AM Friday, you wrote:
Available now from Tahoe Model Works is the new HO Coil-Elliptic 50-ton freight car truck.

This is the Double Truss version, with a centered leaf spring with coil springs on both sides. The prototype trucks either had a spring plank or were Self Aligning Spring Plankless. I've done the truck with a spring plank.

The railroads that I know of using this kind of truck on some equipment during our period include BAR, C&O, CGW, DT&I, Erie, LNE, N&W, VGN and WM. Some AC&F tank cars built in 1937 also had them.

Anyone wishing a flyer, please contact me OFF-LIST at

b.leppert@...

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV



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Re: Frameless tank car questions

John Hile
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

The numbers of the standard
gauge cars still in service at that date were: 15499, 55226, 55284,
55240, 55241, 55265, 55336, and 58332-58399. I infer from the data
in the live list that the cars with the 55xxx numbers were ex-narrow
gauge cars which had been converted back to standard gauge.











Richard,

Thanks very much for sharing this info!

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA


Re: New Coil-Elliptic truck

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Oops, sorry all. Meant to send that off-line.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: New Coil-Elliptic truck

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Brian, please send me the flyer on your new HO Coil-Elliptic 50-ton freight
car truck.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: New Coil-Elliptic truck

Tim O'Connor
 

Anyone have a roster of cars using this truck? I was
only aware of some DT&I and CGW cars...

Tim

At 5/22/2009 11:06 AM Friday, you wrote:
Available now from Tahoe Model Works is the new HO Coil-Elliptic 50-ton freight car truck.

This is the Double Truss version, with a centered leaf spring with coil springs on both sides. The prototype trucks either had a spring plank or were Self Aligning Spring Plankless. I've done the truck with a spring plank.

The railroads that I know of using this kind of truck on some equipment during our period include BAR, C&O, CGW, DT&I, Erie, LNE, N&W, VGN and WM. Some AC&F tank cars built in 1937 also had them.

Anyone wishing a flyer, please contact me OFF-LIST at

b.leppert@...

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


New Coil-Elliptic truck

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Available now from Tahoe Model Works is the new HO Coil-Elliptic 50-ton freight car truck.

This is the Double Truss version, with a centered leaf spring with coil springs on both sides. The prototype trucks either had a spring plank or were Self Aligning Spring Plankless. I've done the truck with a spring plank.

The railroads that I know of using this kind of truck on some equipment during our period include BAR, C&O, CGW, DT&I, Erie, LNE, N&W, VGN and WM. Some AC&F tank cars built in 1937 also had them.

Anyone wishing a flyer, please contact me OFF-LIST at

b.leppert@...

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Gene, I read your captions

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Gene's email is the only one of this thread I've read.

I don't know if this error in is Gene's count of errors in his M&StL book, but on page...who knows? Cause the pages aren't numbered! Anyway; in the Mason City section there's a iconic Soph Marty photo of an Alco at the 8th St SE crossing with three crewman and a kid on a bike. The caption states two of the crew are Mark Propst and Pat Shannon. Pat was on the Job 3 crew, but not in the photo. the other two men are Dick Calahan(on engine)and Jack Downs(on the ground). But, like Gene says, who cares?

I do think that the information in Gene's CGW book is the benchmark for such books. I'm always disappointed at other 'color books' because they lack the depth of information. Thanks much for that book Gene.

Gene's reefer book is another 'must have'. We found a possible error in that one. Middle photo on page 11 is credited to Russ F Munroe. This photo is in the Soph Marty collection. Maybe Soph traded with Mr Munroe?

I also have Gene's CNW company photos book, cause I'm a big fan of Gene's books, also we would visit Paul Bunyan every summer.

Clark Propst


Re: The growing problem of erroneous captions

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I will second what Gene Green said: many book buyers don't read captions. I've been asked more than once about some fact concerning a photo in one of my books, and have replied with some astonishment, "That's explained in the caption." To which the usual response is, "oh yeah?"
But the reason I work hard to get them right (even if not always successful) is because the person who wants them to be right is ME. Same reason I sometimes take great care getting underbody freight car details like brake piping correct: no one may ever see it besides me, but it is ME that needs to know it's right.


Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Errata Site? Re: The growing problem of erroneous captions

Bob <rjb@...>
 

Gene
I have the book you're discussing and do read captions and enjoyed them. Some people buy them for pictures only some captions and pictures . Nothing is perfect and if some one wants it to be perfect why did they not do it. I have more of your and others books and do enjoy them thanks to all the authors that took the time as I for one have benefited greatly.

Robert J. Birkholz

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Green
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:07 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Errata Site? Re: The growing problem of erroneous captions





--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
> And who will correct the corrections?

Tim is exactly correct. I have written 4 books for Morning Sun. My experience with captions has been a bit different than the complaints here about "the growing problem of erroneous captions."

The following is intended simply to add information to the discussion. I feel no need to defend myself or any other author nor do I feel insulted or even criticized by any of the comments. I merely hope to give a different viewpoint for those few who might be interested.

I busted my butt on the first book (M&StL in Color) for Morning Sun. I kept pretty careful account of all my expenses, too, and when all was said and done my cost was 150% of my remuneration. I'm not faulting Bob but merely trying to indicate the effort to which I went.

Some of the photos used in the book were sequences taken at the scene of events. I had the good fortune to interview supervisory employees directly involved and had some pretty good stories (in my opinion) in those captions. I would often ask folks what they thought of what I wrote about one or another of those events. The response was always the same, "Oh, I never read the captions. I just look at the pictures." That response has been nearly universal about all 4 books. Granted, I haven't spoken with every reader but ... How important are captions if no one reads them. OK! OK! They still have to be correct.

So far as I know of only two people have ever read anything in M&StL in Color. These two persons - who I knew would attempt to find as much fault as they could - wrote letters pointing out errors which letters arrived before I ever saw a copy of the book myself. One pointed out one error; the other two. Of those two, he was wrong about one although I must admit that it was my awkward wording that caused him to misunderstand the caption and consider it an error.

I can state flatly, without fear on contradiction, that there are 3 errors in M&StL in Color. And I'll bet coffee and doughnuts on me at our next meeting that no one can find more than one. (Hint: The M&StL depot in Des Moines is actually the Des Moine Union depot. Mea culpa!) In spite of that, I recall walking into a hobby shop in the Midwest just in time to hear a fellow say, "Now you take Gene Green's books. They are full of errors." There's more to the story but suffice it to say that he ended up more embarrassed than I. And everyone else in the store had a good laugh.

My second book was the CGW Color Guide which I put together hastily when the original author quit abruptly near the publication deadline. I knew nothing about the CGW at the beginning although I surely know a lot now. I've never heard about an error in that book which is a great disappointment to me. I guess no one has read any of it.

The third book was also a "pull the fat out of the fire" job done in haste. One reader sent me about 20 typewritten pages of corrections or should I say "corrections" since he was right on some; wrong on others. He actually expected me to incorporate all his "corrections" into a revised volume which he expected the publisher would then print and distribute to original purchasers. As you might guess, he is in science, not business.

I think my points are as follows:
1. Each author does his best but his "best" might not be good enough and he himself defines best. That last is the worst part.
2. The pictures never contain errors, just the captions do, so half every book is error free.
3. Apparently very few have ever read any of my captions so why did I bother?
4. In every book there is more that is correct than in error. You spent your money so try to see the book in a positive light and maybe you won't feel so bad about the purchase.
5. Like the fellow in the Midwest hobby shop, many "critics" overstate their case. He was referring to one error in one book but what he said was, "Now you take Gene Green's books. They are full of errors."
6. Frankly, you guys are NOT the target audience for these picture books whether by Morning Sun or other publishers.
7. Most of what I have read this evening is reasonable and correct. Some captions are terrible; others better. Caution is advised.
8. Unfortunately it is incumbent upon the purchaser to know the author's reputation, attention to detail and propensity to make errors. In this group most of us can do that fairly easily. The more casual modelers and railfans can't do that very well and that is a real pity.

Gene Green


Re: Confused by RMC review of Accurail plug+sliding door box car

leakinmywaders
 

--- In STMFC@..., "leakinmywaders" <leakinmywaders@...> wrote:
NP 8000....9200 [blt 1959+] Note all of these cars had ZU (overhanging) eave roofs, unlike the Accurail model, ***and a different door configuration than the model (a 6ft width Youngstown sliding door paired with an 8 foot width plug door)***...
***I've been thinking perhaps I should footnote this statement about door configuration because there has been some discrepancy on this matter at other web sites, and it merits clearing up. The NP cars had 8 foot plug doors of nearly identical dimension and design as those represented on the Accurail model. The 6ft Improved Youngstown sliding door on the NP cars, however was of slightly different 6/6/6 design (counting corrugation concavities per panel), while those on the model are a more conventional 5/6/6 design.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Gene, I read your captions

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Gene, I have your Refrigerator Car Color Guide. I can't say I've read all
the captions. I can say that I've browsed them all and in those sections of
the book of particular interest to me, I have read ALL the captions and I
find them valuable.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Member new ee-mail address?

water.kresse@...
 

Folks,



I'm looking for James David Thompson's new e-mail address.  My current one just bounced.


Many thanks,



Al Kresse

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