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Re: P&WV brake wheels

Tim O'Connor
 

http://www.thepwvhiline.com/HistoricEraImagesJan2006Pa/images/PWVonNW014Web.jpg
http://www.thepwvhiline.com/HistoricEraImagesJan2006Pa/images/pwvbxcar2.jpg
Tim,
I believe both photos show an Equipco 3450 or 3450-A and an Equipco E-369 hand wheel.
Gene Green

Gene, I'm a bit confused by your answer. Do you mean one photo shows
the 3450/3450A and the other photo shows the E-369? Both cars are from
the same order, built at about the same time... It seems unusual they
would have two different handbrake models from one vendor.

Tim


Re: P&WV brake wheels

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

I should have added that both Detail Associates (Walthers Part # 229-6401) and Kadee (2021, et. al.) offer the hand wheel but unfortunately neither offers the hand brake. They both offer, instead, the later 3750 which is entirely different both mechanically and in appearance.

The Equipco 3450 was introduced in August 1940 and replaced by the 3450-A in November 1943. Both were out of production by 1950 so their availability was relatively short but, by golly, if you need one, you need one. Accept no substitutes.

Gene Green



Tim,
I believe both photos show an Equipco 3450 or 3450-A and an Equipco E-369 hand wheel.
Gene Green


Re: Hal Carstens this morning

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mike Del Vecchio wrote:
Hal Carstens peacefully died this morning at his home near Newton, New Jersey. He had been in good health, happy, and spry enough to have been a dinner speaker at a recent NMRA gathering in Texas. I was proud to know him.
He did a lot for the hobby, and a short list of accomplishments includes . . .
Thanks for letting us know, Mike, and I'd endorse your comments. His column in recent years did suggest he was living in the distant past, as far as modeling was concerned, but he had good priorities back in the day, which is why many prototype-oriented modelers preferred his magazine to our hobby's "Big Blue." And he had the good judgement to hire Tony Koester and Bill Schaumburg. Personally, he was a very nice man, as long as you didn't catch him in "grumpy mode." He's another giant gone.

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Re: P&WV brake wheels

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Mark Morgan <bnonut@...> wrote:

That might be a Superior. Looks like it on page 1087 of the 1940 Car Builders Encyclopedia.

Mark Morgan

Mark,
You can count on all the most common Superior hand wheels to have a "scalloped" outer rim, whether 22" diameter for vertical hand brakes or 16" outer rim for horizontal hand brakes. That held true until 1958 or a bit later when all the hand brake manufacturers adopted the forged (stamped) hand wheel.
Gene Green


Hal Carstens this morning

MDelvec952
 

Hal Carstens peacefully died this morning at his home near Newton, New Jersey. He had been in good health, happy, and spry enough to have been a dinner speaker at a recent NMRA gathering in Texas. I was proud to know him.

He did a lot for the hobby, and a short list of accomplishments includes (from the NMRA):

"Carstens, Harold H. NJ President Carstens Pubications, Inc., Publisher Railroad Model Craftsman and Railfan & Railroad. Holds NMRA Distinguished Service Award 1962, Past President Hobby Industry Association 1971-1972, Model Railroad Industry Association 1977-1978, Train Collectors Association 1964-1965. NMRA Life Member. Member NMRA Museum Committee. Editor, Author, HO, train collector. Secretary, Eastern MRR Manufacturers 1956-1962. HIAA Meritorious Award of Honor 1979. HIAA MRR Division Big Wheel Award 1987. NMRA Model RR Man of the Year Award 1989. MRIA HALL OF FAME 1996. Listed in Who's Who in America. Train collection has been displayed in Williamsburg; Trenton State Museum, and National Geographic Hall, Washington.? Arrangments are currently being made."

It was a good run, Hal.

Mike Del Vecchio
former-Carstens employee


Re: P&WV brake wheels

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


I can't tell what this brake wheel is:
http://www.thepwvhiline.com/HistoricEraImagesJan2006Pa/images/PWVonNW014Web.jpg

This one looks different, it is an Equipco:
http://www.thepwvhiline.com/HistoricEraImagesJan2006Pa/images/pwvbxcar2.jpg

Tim O'Connor

Tim,
I believe both photos show an Equipco 3450 or 3450-A and an Equipco E-369 hand wheel.
Gene Green


Re: ribbed whelsets

Tim O'Connor
 

Bruce, they are cast (sintered metal) wheels. Other wheels
from China are all machined from brass. NWSL also machines
their wheels (from nickel silver) and also machines a correct
profile on the front and rear of the wheels. To machine the
ribs is technically possible but undoubtedly would raise the
cost of the wheels by a huge amount.

At 6/23/2009 06:58 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Does anyone make them in 0.88" treads?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: ribbed whelsets

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I've been wondering the same thing...

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:

Does anyone make them in 0.88" treads?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Tue, June 23, 2009 3:04 pm, Denis F. Blake wrote:
Yes, P2K/Walthers has/had them..

Denis Blake
North Hamlet Shops, OH
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Subject: [STMFC] ribbed whelsets


List,

Does someone other than Kadee make ribbed back wheelsets with metal
wheels?
TIA

Fred Freitas

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Re: ribbed whelsets

Bruce Smith
 

Does anyone make them in 0.88" treads?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Tue, June 23, 2009 3:04 pm, Denis F. Blake wrote:
Yes, P2K/Walthers has/had them..

Denis Blake
North Hamlet Shops, OH
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Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 3:58 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ribbed whelsets


List,

Does someone other than Kadee make ribbed back wheelsets with metal
wheels?
TIA

Fred Freitas





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Re: tank car decals

Charles Hladik
 

Tony,
So who was "Fleet Wing". I remember the Pegasus logo, but.....
Chuck Hladik


In a message dated 6/23/2009 10:29:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
thompson@signaturepress.com writes:





However, I also have two photos from the 1960s with "TIDEWATER"
above the reporting marks and numbers and winged "A" emblems on the
sides of the tank to the right of the dome. One, AOX 819, was an 8K
gal. GATC Type 30 at Petaluma CA in 8/64; the other, AOX 1152, was a
10K gal. GATC car built in the mid-1920s (but before the 1926
underframe change) with a horizontal three course tank.
Fascinating. I have a bunch of AOX photos, but neither of
these. I would be definitely interested in both. Ted and I are working
out the division of labor to make a decal sheet for Union Oil,
Associated, and Richfield. And maybe also for Eldorado Oil Works for
sentimental reasons (if it's on the decal sheet, we will have to
explain that it was NOT petroleum-type oil).

I also have a W. C. Whittaker photo of AOX 915, a 6K. gal AC&F Type
11, at Banks, OR in 7/69 with Capitalized lower case "Tidewater"
above the reporting marks and numbers and the smaller flying "A"
emblems inside circles.
There are a couple of images out there of the Flying A in a
circle, but all appear to be quite late, so well beyond the steam era,
AFAIK. In later days, i.e. roughly 1955-1965, Tidewater seems to have
phased out the Associated name, while keeping the Flying A. As soon as
Philips bought it in 1966, of course, it all went to "Philips 66."
Today there is a Marin independent oil company which has acquired
rights to the Flying A and uses it for gasoline!

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Re: P&WV brake wheels

Mark
 

That might be a Superior. Looks like it on page 1087 of the 1940 Car Builders Encyclopedia.

Mark Morgan

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] P&WV brake wheels
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 6:00 PM



















I can't tell what this brake wheel is:

http://www.thepwvhi line.com/ HistoricEraImage sJan2006Pa/ images/PWVonNW01 4Web.jpg



This one looks different, it is an Equipco:

http://www.thepwvhi line.com/ HistoricEraImage sJan2006Pa/ images/pwvbxcar2 .jpg



Tim O'Connor































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P&WV brake wheels

Tim O'Connor
 


Re: ribbed whelsets

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Richard,

              Thank you ,sir for the prompt response.

Fred Freitas




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Subject: Re: [STMFC] ribbed whelsets





On Jun 23, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Frederick Freitas wrote:

Does someone other than Kadee make ribbed back wheelsets with
metal wheels?
Yes. Life-Like (now Walthers).

Richard Hendrickson

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Re: ribbed whelsets

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 23, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Frederick Freitas wrote:

Does someone other than Kadee make ribbed back wheelsets with
metal wheels?
Yes. Life-Like (now Walthers).

Richard Hendrickson


Re: ribbed whelsets

seaboard_1966
 

Yes, P2K/Walthers has/had them..

Denis Blake
North Hamlet Shops, OH

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Subject: [STMFC] ribbed whelsets


List,

Does someone other than Kadee make ribbed back wheelsets with metal wheels?
TIA

Fred Freitas





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ribbed whelsets

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

List,

       Does someone other than Kadee make ribbed back wheelsets with metal wheels?
TIA

Fred Freitas

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Intermountain P&WV PS-1 boxcar review solicited

Larry Kline
 

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that Ted Culotta did an early PS-1 in his essential freight cars series. RMC January 2008 pp 94-100. He started with an Intermountain PS-1.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Re: Prototype for C&BT 40 foot double door boxcar

SUVCWORR@...
 

The 1/3/4 end is what is not prototypical for this car.? According to my contemporaneous notes and the recollection of others from the period when C&BT was researching these,? the prototype was a 4-4 end with this roof, side sill and door opening.? I did not note the road in my notes.? The 1/3/4 was a "looks close enough", "we need more road names" version to get the most use from the dies.

Rich Orr

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Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2009 8:52 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototype for C&BT 40 foot double door boxcar










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Steve Hoxie writes:

I have a C&BT 40 foot double door boxcar with 1/3/4 Improved Dreadnaught
ends for which I would like to find a prototype. The model has fishbelly
sidesills and staggered doors. I have had the car in service for a while and
need to upgrade it. It is factory painted MP, but the rectangular rib on
the end spoils it for MoPac.

Any help in finding a good paint and lettering scheme for this car would
be much appreciated. A link to a photo would be great.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola <

Steve,

One thing you didn't mention was the door opening, are they 12-foot or
14-foot? I have one stashed but not easily found.

Seems to me that the Wabash had some with 4/3/R ends and diagonal panel
roofs, but not a fishbelly side sill, perhaps Chet French can chime in here.





The Wabash did have 300 cars in the 8000 - 8299 series that had the ends and
roof that you mention. They had a straight side sill between the bolsters. The
door opening was about an inch less than
12 feet though.

Chet French
Dixon, IL




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Re: Prototype for C&BT 40 foot double door boxcar

pennsylvania1954
 

Jim--That's it. Once again I am glad I am keeping all those back issues.

Thanks!

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, jfbrewer@... wrote:



From the RPI site:



Wabash car no. 8252 was shown in the January '90 RMJ / RMJ Vol. II in a Virl Davis undated photo. According to Richard Hendrickson, the 8000-8299 series was built in 1950. The cars had 1/3/4 Improved Dreadnaught ends, 12 foot wide double Youngstown doors (with raised seams), a 3-DD-5 riveted side panel configuration, and Diagonal Panel roofs.
A c. '72 Frank Szachacz photo of car no. 8188 appeared in Classic Freight Cars , Vol. I.


Hope this helps.



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD


Re: Prototype for C&BT 40 foot double door boxcar

jfbrewer@...
 

From the RPI site:



Wabash car no. 8252 was shown in the January '90 RMJ / RMJ Vol. II in a Virl Davis undated photo. According to Richard Hendrickson, the 8000-8299 series was built in 1950. The cars had 1/3/4 Improved Dreadnaught ends, 12 foot wide double Youngstown doors (with raised seams), a 3-DD-5 riveted side panel configuration, and Diagonal Panel roofs.
A c. '72 Frank Szachacz photo of car no. 8188 appeared in Classic Freight Cars , Vol. I.


Hope this helps.



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototype for C&BT 40 foot double door boxcar








Chet--Thanks much. Is there an online or magazine published photo of a Wabash 8000 -8299?

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


The Wabash did have 300 cars in the 8000 - 8299 series that had the ends and roof that you mention. They had a straight side sill between the bolsters. The door opening was about an inch less than
12 feet though.

Chet French
Dixon, IL

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