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Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?

Alan Palmer <rrgeekdev@...>
 

The Rutland commonly had B&O coal hoppers running on their system,
especially ones delivered to the OLC division in Northern NY State.

CP received a lot of coal in B&O hoppers as well from the
Ogdensburg/Prescott ferry connection.

Alan


On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Armand Premo<armprem2@surfglobal.net> wrote:
   Andy,I must vehemently disagree.Pennsy and B&O hoppers were sent all over.I have several years of company coal reports which show heavy traffic by both the B&O and Pennsy hoppers among others .Coal was a common commodity contributing to a very high percentage of traffic on most railroads during the steam era.Some railroads actually sent their hoppers to mines.The N&W shipped a bulk of its coal to tidewater terminals ,but still sent some over land routes.Armand Premo
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 Al,

 One of the reasons may be that coal cars (hoppers and some gons) were for the most part captive cars. That is, they remained on the home road. Yes there were exceptions, many exceptions. This list waxed eloquent for months about a N&W hopper on Sherman hill ;-) But for the most part the only prototype modelers interested in N&W hoppers, are N&W modelers. The only people interested in PRR hoppers are PRR modelers, and so on. In that vein, note that the three most common PRR hoppers are readily available: The H21 and GLa from Bowser, and the GLCA from Westerfiled and newly released from F&C. The N&W H2 was made by both ECW and BLI.

 regards,

 Andy Miller
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: al.kresse
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 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:36 AM
 Subject: [STMFC] Why so little discussion on coal car models?

 Folks,

 I've been on this list, and the old list, and I wonder why so little discussion is about modeling coal cars.

 Is it because so few members are interested in railroads operating in eastern coal country, or modelers of coal roads need so many coal cars they are forced to go with cheaper RTR cars to just fill up an operating consist in their lifetime, or other reason(s)?

 It would be interesting to know why so few 50, 70, 100 and 120-ton coal cars (hops and gons) of the steam era are not discussed in more detail currently. You can find many modeling magazine articles from the mid-1970 through the 1980s . . . and then few except for in MM later on. Sunshine sold out their high-sded gons rather quickly, and Westerfield has their N&W GK gons. But then it appears to spotty in being able to find accurate offerings . . . except for post-WW2 Atlas and Athearn RTRs . . . especially in the pre-WW2 era models . . . other than USRA cars.

 I guess we could throw in coke cars with these also.

 I'd be interested in knowing why.

 Al Kresse

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Re: Prototype for new resin kits

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gary Ray wrote:
I'd like to see some SP G-50-9's, 10, 11, or 12 and G-50-3's or G-50-8's along with the previously mentioned SP F50-1,2,3s.
I continue to re-detail and reletter Ulrich cast metal G-50-9 and -10 cars, and with Archer rivets you could model classes G-50-11 and -12 also with the Ulrich body. I'd love to have styrene ones with scale grab irons, but in the interim we DO have a pretty accurate stand-in.
The G-50-8 would be interesting--it's an 8-panel gondola with plate ends--though SP only owned 500 of them, all on T&L Lines. The G-50-3 was also an 8-panel gon though with drop doors in the SP version; there SP had 830 cars and T&L Lines had 300. But the -3 cars were nearly gone by 1950, whereas the -8 cars were still around. If I had to choose between these two, I'd take the G-508 hands-down. But unlike the -3, I don't think UP bought any cars like this, so paint schemes would be limited.

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Re: Prototype for new resin kits

Andrew Miller <aslmmiller@...>
 

Rich,

I believe F&C does an H25

regards,
Andy Miller

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Accurate gons and stock cars.? There is a definite lack these.? We are awash in boxcars and tank cars.

On a specific car PRR H25.

Rich Orr

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Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 7:32 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Prototype for new resin kits

Group,
I was hoping to stir up a discussion about what prototypes everyone would
like to see produced as kits, resin or otherwise. I realize that we are awash in
excellent kits for many prototypes, and I don't mean for this discussion to
devolve into a "I can't believe they don't make X, Y, or Z!" rant. I just wonder
what everyone would like to see produced.

My list:

NC&St.L XM-32 boxcars
MILW 1929 single sheathed automobile boxcars
PRR X28a (and I wouldn't mind seeing separate ends for the Bowser X31 - I hate
trying to carve molded ladders off a car end)
NYC 9'4" IH USRA design steel boxcars
Reading XMu boxcar
IC/CNW 50' boxcars with 6' doors
L&A/KCS 50' boxcars with 9' doors
CB&Q XM-23, -27, and -30 boxcars

I know my list is composed entirely of boxcars, for the simple fact that is
the car type of which I am most knowledgable. What are the tankcars, gons, and
flats that we are missing?

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA

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Erie #84571

Mark
 

I just received two Red Caboose model. Both Erie, ACF boxcar #84571 and 42' flatcar #8700.

Searched the messages and found the flatcar is NYC. The boxcar has 8' doors, 4-3-1 ends, riveted sides and diagonal panel roof.

The car looks like it needs a heavier sill under the door.

Any suggestions?

Mark Morgan


From the Delano photos

spsalso
 

In the rightmost photo that Dave Evans sited, there's what appears to me to be a pretty strange car. It's three cars from the left side and about 3 tracks from the rear--in front of the white-sided reefer (also interesting). It's got orange sides and looks like some sort of ventilated car and looks to be a 50 footer. Some kind of livestock car??? Milw MOW???

Definitely a fun photo. Oh, yeah, that looks like snow or maybe a white "powder" on the MP box in the foreground in the other photo. You'll note that it's also on the roofwalk, brake platform and the top of the top rib on the end. Hmmmm....

Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 3, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

This whole thread is predicated on a dearth of discussion about
coal cars??? What kind of a red herring is THAT? It seems to me
we've been talking about coal cars more or less continuously for
the last 12 years!!





Yes, and those of us who don't live in coal country are getting
mighty tired of it. I understand the interest (obsession?) with
hoppers on the part of those who model eastern and some midwestern
lines, and I'm happy to go on pushing the delete button when we have
these endless discussions of where N&W hoppers went and why. But
really, guys, coal hopper cars were (as I believe I've said here
before) less common in many parts of the far west than helium tank
cars or bulk wine tank cars. Those who doubt it can see my Wine Tank
Car clinic at Naperville in October, which includes a photo on the SP
at Fresno showing ±40 wine tank cars - and not a coal hopper in
sight. The fuels that powered almost everything west of the Front
Range, including most steam locomotives, were natural gas and oil
(or, as they say in Texas, "awl.") Much of that was moved in tank
cars, of which we don't have nearly enough variety in prototypical
tank car models, though things are a bit better now than they were
five years ago.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Reweigh Dates (was Re: B&O 26th St Terminal aerial view from 1951)

David Payne
 

In a message dated 7/2/2009 9:05:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cepropst@netconx.net writes:

Big problem I've having is I'm running out of reweigh dates (he models 65)
Does anyone make a decal set of just reweigh symbols and dates?




At this time (1965), cars were required to be re-weighed at least every ???
years. What was the ???

They were also required to be re-weighed when re-built; correct?

Thanks.

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Re: the Minneapolis to Hutchinson, Minnesota, mixed train, 1950-1958

Thomas Baker
 

Anyone have a recommendation as to where I might obtain a photo of the Minneapolis to Hutchinson mixed train operated by the GN? I would like a shot of the entire train which could not have been excessively lengthy. Photo could be taken anywhere on the route.

Tom


Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?

Mark
 

I agree, Rich. L&N hoppers use to go westbound to Lake Erie over the B&O. Wife told me to buy a video and wow EM-1 pulling out of Wheeling with a PRR coal car right behind her and shots of trains moving west through Columbus (FT set) with L&N coal cars.

That's why I have to have a small assortment of off road coal cars, let alone everything else.

Mark Morgan

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From: SUVCWORR@aol.com <SUVCWORR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Why so little discussion on coal car models?
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 2:36 PM



















Andy,?



I am compelled to take a different position.? While the bulk of hoppers were captive, photographic evidence abounds supporting foreign road hoppers on major coal hauling roads.? An extreme example may be the photos of Tennessee Central hoppers in the PRR yard at Renovo.? Not only are they 400+ miles from home rails but there is no direct connection.? There are numerous examples of NYC, B&O, N&W, RDG, LV, D&LW, D&H cars on the PRR and the captive roads connecting to the PRR, e.g. C&I, BWMX etc.? While the PRR did provide cars to the anthracite mines in eastern Pennsylvania most of that "hard" coal was loaded into the "Anthracite Road" cars and traveled anywhere hard coal was used for home heating.? And coal was not the only commodity carried in open hoppers -- gravel and stone are two examples of other cargos.



Rich Orr



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Sent: Fri, Jul 3, 2009 10:09 am

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Al,



One of the reasons may be that coal cars (hoppers and some gons) were for the

most part captive cars. That is, they remained on the home road. Yes there

were exceptions, many exceptions. This list waxed eloquent for months about a

N&W hopper on Sherman hill ;-) But for the most part the only prototype

modelers interested in N&W hoppers, are N&W modelers. The only people interested

in PRR hoppers are PRR modelers, and so on. In that vein, note that the three

most common PRR hoppers are readily available: The H21 and GLa from Bowser, and

the GLCA from Westerfiled and newly released from F&C. The N&W H2 was made by

both ECW and BLI.



regards,



Andy Miller

----- Original Message -----

From: al.kresse

To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:36 AM

Subject: [STMFC] Why so little discussion on coal car models?



Folks,



I've been on this list, and the old list, and I wonder why so little

discussion is about modeling coal cars.



Is it because so few members are interested in railroads operating in eastern

coal country, or modelers of coal roads need so many coal cars they are forced

to go with cheaper RTR cars to just fill up an operating consist in their

lifetime, or other reason(s)?



It would be interesting to know why so few 50, 70, 100 and 120-ton coal cars

(hops and gons) of the steam era are not discussed in more detail currently. You

can find many modeling magazine articles from the mid-1970 through the 1980s . .

. and then few except for in MM later on. Sunshine sold out their high-sded gons

rather quickly, and Westerfield has their N&W GK gons. But then it appears to

spotty in being able to find accurate offerings . . . except for post-WW2 Atlas

and Athearn RTRs . . . especially in the pre-WW2 era models . . . other than

USRA cars.



I guess we could throw in coke cars with these also.



I'd be interested in knowing why.



Al Kresse







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Railroad Model Craftsman July 2009

Mark
 

Just picked this up at LHS along with some zap and accelerator.
Front cover Old and Weary F-3's pulling Essential freight Cars #45.
AC&F type 11 tank cars. Excellent article.

Keep up the nice work Mr. Culotta.

Sincerely, Mark Morgan


Re: SP flat cars (was Prototype for new resin kits)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Hear, hear!!! Actually, if there were a good set of scale drawings, I would be able to scratchbuild a few. Freight cars are so much less scary now that we have Archer rivets... :-)
Um, Tim, there is a complete arrangement drawing for Class F-50-4 included on page 194 in my Vol. 3, but perhaps you didn't like that drawing? The SP lettering drawings are typically pretty accurate scale, and in Vol. 3 there is one for F-50 classes 5, 8, 9, 10 and 12, page 218. I'd guess all you need is there.

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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Prototype for new resin kits

Gary Ray <garyeray@...>
 

I'd like to see some SP G-50-9's, 10, 11, or 12 and G-50-3's or G-50-8's
along with the previously mentioned SP F50-1,2,3s.

Gary Ray


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Re: SP flat cars (was Prototype for new resin kits)

Tim O'Connor
 

I'd far rather see the later straight-side-sill
cars, starting with F-50-4. The design changed little through F-50-9
and there were a LOT of them.
Tony Thompson

Hear, hear!!! Actually, if there were a good set of scale drawings,
I would be able to scratchbuild a few. Freight cars are so much less
scary now that we have Archer rivets... :-)

Tim O'Connor


Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?

Tim O'Connor
 

I didn't realize the Milwaukee road had so few hoppers
compared to gondolas.
Dave, I think that the majority of Milwaukee Road hoppers at that
time were CTSE cars. I vaguely recall an article in the MRHS magazine
about coal operations on the CTSE which were not staged out of
Bensenville, but another yard. So as always, which cars and mix of
cars that you see depends on local factors, plus the time period.

This whole thread is predicated on a dearth of discussion about
coal cars??? What kind of a red herring is THAT? It seems to me
we've been talking about coal cars more or less continuously for
the last 12 years!!

Tim O'Connor


Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:
The following hoppers were on the M&StL both east and west of the Mississippi.
Clark, what are the dates in your list? The date the car was on line? or at that station?

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Re: Prototype for new resin kits

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I want/need two CNW stack cars. That's it.
Clark Propst


Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

The following hoppers were on the M&StL both east and west of the Mississippi.
Clark Propst

CB&Q 188672 188000-18999 HM gravel "4-7-50" 894 Clarkson
GN 73070 73000-73199 HM empty hoppe "5-21-48" 96 Montgomery
GN 73361 73200-73699 HM coal "2-3-50" 75 Belview
IC 76040 75000-78959 HM co. coal "2-14-48" 97 Waseca
IC 93646 92000-93749 HM sand "7-28-50" 894 Lovilia
NP 70140 70050-70199 HM coal "1-22-50" 96 New Prague
NYC 818467 818000-81890 HM coal "1-22-50" 99 Mile post 63
NYC 849899 849500-84954 HM coal "8-31-49" 19 Waseca
NYC 863803 862000-86499 HM coal "5-28-48" 95 Madison
WAB 36320 36000-36424 HM coal "12-9-50" 197 Dallas Cente
WAB 37175 37000-37399 HM coal "7-28-49" - Cramers
CB&Q 190672 190000-191749 HM sand 10/2/1959 95 Dillon
CB&Q 192362 192000-193199 HM sand 9/4/1959 95 Searsboro
CB&Q 192362 192000-193199 HM sand 9/6/1959 95 Grinnell
CIM 6319 6000-6349 HM coal 8/13/1959 1 London Mills
CIM 6323 6000-6349 HM coal 8/5/1959 1 Middle Grove
CIM 6326 6000-6349 HM coal 8/5/1959 1 Abingdon
CIM 6329 6000-6349 HM coal 8/22/1959 coal run Hanna
CIM 6528 6000-6349 HM coal 7/24/1959 coal run Maxwell
DH 4890 4701-6100 HM empty 11/7/1959 2 Little York
IC 86216 86000-86499 HM coal 12/13/1958 19 Winfield
IC 93829 93750-93999 HM 12/13/1958 19 Winfield
L&N 35277 34000-35999 HM coal 11/17/1959 33 Albert Lea
LM 12213 1000-1299 HM empty 10/6/1959 894 Albia
NP 70033 70000-70048 HM hopper ore 9/4/1958 20 Manly
NYC 844607 840000-841999 HM coal 2/19/1958 19 Excelsior
NYC 861375 861000-861999 HM empty 4/29/1959 2 Rogers
NYC 870917 870000-870999 HM empty 11/4/1959 33 Albert Lea
NYC 876067 876000-876999 HM iron ore 7/18/1959 2 Hedrick
RI 89456 89400-89599 HM coal 12/19/1958 90 Maxwell
WAB 37170 37000-37799 HM coal 3/4/1959 95 Grinnell
WAB 37195 37000-37799 HM coal 1/14/1959 95 Searsboro
WAB 37263 37000-37799 HM sand 8/14/1959 95 Grinnell
WAB 37488 37000-37799 HM iron ore 7/10/1959 20 Pickering
WAB 37552 37000-37799 HM sand 9/28/1959 95 Searsboro
WAB 37672 37000-37799 HM coal 6/19/1959 95 Grinnell
WAB 37786 37000-37799 HM sand 9/30/1959 95 Dillon


Re: B&O 26th St Terminal aerial view from 1951.

rwitt_2000
 

Yes, the B&O owned very a similar boxcab; only one as I recall. I
believe each locomotive was custom built during this period.

On the same site there is a link to the locomotives used by the B&O in
the greater NYC area: Brooklyn, Manhattan and Staten Island.

http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/bo26.html#Locomotives

Bob Witt
Indianapolis, Indiana

Vic Bitleris wrote:

Is that the same kind of Boxcab as CNJ 1000, the Ingersoll Rand? It
sure looks like one. I was unaware that they made very many of them. I
will check the Boxcab site to see if theare are an B&O ones pictured. I
would never have guessed B&O had Boxcabs. Cool.
Vic Bitleris

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rwitt_2000" rwitt_2000@ wrote:


Walt Lankenau wrote: And how many are home road cars? Um, zero?

They are so dirty, it is very hard to tell, but I count six B&O cars
including one wagon-top with no lettering visible.

A really great photo. It is interesting mixture of mid-west and
western
railroad freight cars. I get the sense that these cars were loaded
on
their home roads many, many miles west of New York City for delivery
to
NYC.

Yes that is a boxcab switcher. According to the B&O diesels
assignments
for 1950, reprinted in the B&ORR Diesel Locomotive Roster by Jim
Mischke, the AGEIR boxcab numbered 195 was assigned to Manhattan
yard
service.

Bob Witt
Indianapolis, Indiana


Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

And until 1950, BR&P and later B&O hopper cars appeared in Eastern Ontario carrying loco coal for the GTR and later CN. They were ferried across Lake Ontario from near Rochester, NY to Cobourg, ON.

Much coal for domestic and industrial use in southern Ontario originated from US mines. Just about every eastern US road's hopper cars appear hauling it into Canada into the 1950's. Slightly out-of-era--I took a slide of a Conrail hopper car at a coal yard in Uxbridge, Ontario in 1983.

Modelling this area, I have a few anthracite roads' hoppers--more to come.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, William Bryk <wmbryk@...> wrote:

While this is based on memories of nearly fifty years ago, I distinctly
recall seeing C&O and B&O hoppers running daily in Delaware & Hudson freight
trains through Waterford, New York between 1959 and 1963.

Regards,
William Bryk

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Mike Brock <brockm@...> wrote:



Andrew Miller writes:

One of the reasons may be that coal cars (hoppers and some gons) were for
the most part captive cars. That is, they remained on the home road. Yes
there were exceptions, many exceptions. This list waxed eloquent for
months about a N&W hopper on Sherman hill ;-)
Rising to the bait...As we know by now, the majority of N&W hoppers did
indeed go off N&W tracks. This is because the majority of N&W coal went
into
the midwest and Great Lakes north and west of the N&W rather than through
the more publicized Norfolk area...at least in 1949. Thus, those modeling
the midwest definitely need N&W hoppers. It IS true that hopper cars owned
by Appalachian RRs were at some point prohibited from carrying anything but

air on their return from areas west of the Mississippi and we also know
that
evidence shows few eastern hoppers west of the Mississippi.

"But for the most part the only prototype modelers interested in N&W
hoppers, are N&W modelers."

Well, if true, these prototype modelers are either not modeling the midwest

and certain areas in the east or they aren't modeling the prototype in
those
areas very well. The same applies to Pennsy hoppers. The really excellent
movies [ now video ] by Don Krofta of B&O RRing in the 50's shows lengthy
trains of Pennsy hoppers on the B&O. Same for N&W hoppers.

BTW, there are numerous [ more than one ] photos of Mopac hoppers on UP
tracks on and west of...uh...Sherman Hill including my beloved Laramie. I
suppose one could argue that these cars are carrying some kind of special
coal to the steel industry in Utah but on pg 47 of the Feb '53 Trains shows

a different animal. This is a long train carrying iron ore north to Provo
on
a UP branch. The train has quite a few Mopac 3 bay hoppers in the consist.
Curious. Not more so, however, than the string of at least 8 Mopac hoppers
on Santa Fe tracks in California as shown in the Warbonnet.

Now...would you bet that you would never see a long string of N&W hoppers
being pulled by a Santa Fe 2-10-4? Don't. Most know that Pennsy leased
several Santa Fe 2-10-4's in the 50's. There are ample photos and videos of

these great engines pulling solid trains of N&W hoppers on Pennsy tracks on

the way north of Columbus, OH, to the Great Lakes. Ain't MRing fun?

Mike Brock



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Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?

water.kresse@...
 

Actually, after WWI, typically 60 percent of C&O and N&Ws coal went WEST . . . . not to Tidewater.



Not unusual to see iron ore coming back EAST-erly in coal cars from the Great Lakes with their own road's power.  Virginian coals cars coming back to Gilbert, WV, from Toledo, OH, via C&O power would be empty and moving fast to avoid per diem charges.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@earthlink.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com, STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 12:42:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Why so little discussion on coal car models?

  The Great Northern delivered coal and its 1946 Annual Report shows:

Anthracite:
2 carloads originated and 754 received;
Bituminous:
1,892 carloads originated and 51,606 received [the Annual Report notes most were received from vessels in Duluth or Superior]
Lignite:
11,173 carloads originated and 1,745 received
Coke:
3,258 carloads originated and 52,531 received

I find the anthracite cars the most unusual.  No idea from the Annual Report from what carriers they were received or where they were delivered to.

Gary Laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net


----- Original Message -----
From: Armand Premo
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 7/3/2009 12:17:59 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Why so little discussion on coal car models?





Andy,I must vehemently disagree.Pennsy and B&O hoppers were sent all over.I have several years of company coal reports which show heavy traffic by both the B&O and Pennsy hoppers among others .Coal was a common commodity contributing to a very high percentage of traffic on most railroads during the steam era.Some railroads actually sent their hoppers to mines.The N&W shipped a bulk of its coal to tidewater terminals ,but still sent some over land routes.Armand Premo
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From: Andrew Miller
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Why so little discussion on coal car models?

Al,

One of the reasons may be that coal cars (hoppers and some gons) were for the most part captive cars. That is, they remained on the home road. Yes there were exceptions, many exceptions. This list waxed eloquent for months about a N&W hopper on Sherman hill ;-) But for the most part the only prototype modelers interested in N&W hoppers, are N&W modelers. The only people interested in PRR hoppers are PRR modelers, and so on. In that vein, note that the three most common PRR hoppers are readily available: The H21 and GLa from Bowser, and the GLCA from Westerfiled and newly released from F&C. The N&W H2 was made by both ECW and BLI.

regards,

Andy Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: al.kresse
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Why so little discussion on coal car models?

Folks,

I've been on this list, and the old list, and I wonder why so little discussion is about modeling coal cars.

Is it because so few members are interested in railroads operating in eastern coal country, or modelers of coal roads need so many coal cars they are forced to go with cheaper RTR cars to just fill up an operating consist in their lifetime, or other reason(s)?

It would be interesting to know why so few 50, 70, 100 and 120-ton coal cars (hops and gons) of the steam era are not discussed in more detail currently. You can find many modeling magazine articles from the mid-1970 through the 1980s . . . and then few except for in MM later on. Sunshine sold out their high-sded gons rather quickly, and Westerfield has their N&W GK gons. But then it appears to spotty in being able to find accurate offerings . . . except for post-WW2 Atlas and Athearn RTRs . . . especially in the pre-WW2 era models . . . other than USRA cars.

I guess we could throw in coke cars with these also.

I'd be interested in knowing why.

Al Kresse



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