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Re: What is holding up UTLX tank car kits

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Would the IM tank come with the kit or be purchased separately?

Dave Nelson

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From: Bill Welch [mailto:bwelch@uucf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:02 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] What is holding up UTLX tank car kits


Regarding these kits and what is holding up their release from
Sunshine Models, the catch is that Martin L. is having difficulty
finding someone to do the photoetched parts in the kit. The
patterns are done for the underframe. The underframe is designed
to have its length easily changed to accomodate different length
tanks. Designed essentially to use the InterMountain 8K & 10K
tanks, one will be able to easily shorten the underframe to fit a
Life Like 8K or 10K tank to it, for example. I know I
specifically acquired extra undecorated LL kits with this in mind.

I will use the extra LL underfrmaes that result with the smaller
tanks Tichy is planning to do as extra parts to be fitted with
alteration to his underframe.


Bill 'Welch <bwelch@uucf.org>
Associate Minister, Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Fairfax
P.O. Box 130 Oakton VA 22124 www.uucf.org
Telephone 703 281-4230 Fax 703 281-5399

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Re: [mstl] Decker reefers to Mason City

Ed Workman <eworkman@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:33 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Fwd: Re: [mstl] Decker reefers


Mason City was written up in the New York Times travel magazine in the
last year. Seems that the "Music Man" was based on someone from there,
Merideth Wilson WAS from Mason City and wrote the Broadway musical, which
became the movie.


Re: UP Mail Train

Benjamin Hom <bhom3@...>
 

Mike Brock observed:

"It sure doesn't look like an X-29."

That's because it isn't an express X29 - it's a Class R50b express reefer!


Ben Hom


Re: UP Mail Train

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Bruce,
The date on the mail train is 1957. I've uploaded the photo......including
an ACL and PFE car as well.....in the STMFC archive. It sure doesn't look
like an X-29.

Mike
Mike,

You're right, that ain't no X-29! In fact it takes us back to our original
discussion as it is an R-50b. Since I am not aware of any systematic
passenger car renumberings on the PRR between '53 and '57, the number on
this car must have been misread, as it should be in the series 2551-3100.
A VERY careful look at the image, and a little "imaginoscopic vision" (the
sort of thing we accuse radiologists of having in my trade <G>), and you
can see that the number is most likely 2748 and not 2248...nice DIRTY car!

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: [mstl] Decker reefers

Stafford F. Swain <sswain@...>
 

And for us fans of early Rock'n'Roll, there is nearby Clear Lake Iowa. It is the lcation of the still extant Surf Ball Room, the dance hall which was the site of the concert Feb. 2/59 just prior to the Holly/Valens/Bopper crash of Feb. 3/59.

Further info from Clark, in case he hasn't already replied directly.

Mason City was written up in the New York Times travel magazine in the
last year. Seems that the "Music Man" was based on someone from there,
and the town has much to offer to tourists. I think there's an electric
railway museum too, no?

There is an interior picture too. I mentioned this in an earlier post, but
thought I mention it again.
Clark

Clark Propst wrote:

Tim, Group,
You'll have to excuse me, I thought everyone would know which library from
pass post on this subject. Anyway, all of you can feel free to contact Terry
Harrison at thr Mason City Iowa Public Library by E-mail. Mention my name and
of course the Decker's reefer picture.

E-mail address
archive@mcpl.org

Clark
Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


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Re: [mstl] Decker reefers

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Further info from Clark, in case he hasn't already replied directly.

Mason City was written up in the New York Times travel magazine in the
last year. Seems that the "Music Man" was based on someone from there,
and the town has much to offer to tourists. I think there's an electric
railway museum too, no?

There is an interior picture too. I mentioned this in an earlier post, but
thought I mention it again.
Clark

Clark Propst wrote:

Tim, Group,
You'll have to excuse me, I thought everyone would know which library from
pass post on this subject. Anyway, all of you can feel free to contact Terry
Harrison at thr Mason City Iowa Public Library by E-mail. Mention my name and
of course the Decker's reefer picture.

E-mail address
archive@mcpl.org

Clark
Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: USAX Crew Cars

jabutler@...
 

Bruce,
While in the Army form 77 to 87 I had the chance to spend some time
in Army troop cars on guard duty when transporting Army equipment by
rail. The cars I spent time in were rebuilt WW II cars and were like
the car you described, but ours didn't have anything neat in them.
The cars had been converted to self contained guard cars and had a
kitchen and dining area in one end and a shower, toilet and six bunks
in the other with a partition and door between them. Aft of the bunk
area in an enclosed room was a diesel generator and hot water heater
so the car did have a large fuel tank under it. They still had the
high speed trucks and signal and steam lines. I spent many nights in
rail yards in these cars and I'm sure the rest of the guys with me
couldn't figure out why I didn't mind my turn walking the train.
I've been out of the military for a long time but I'm sure they still
have and use a few of these cars. There is or was an Army Rail unit
at Ft. Eustis VA that may still do some work on them but I'm not sure.
Jim Butler
www.sa-com.org

--- In STMFC@y..., "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." <smithbf@m...>
wrote:
Hello all,

As many of you know, I have an interest in WWII Troop Sleepers and
Kitchen
cars. Vaguely, in the back of my mind, I recalled some cars that
might
have been converted from these cars at the Heart of Dixie Railroad
Museum
in Calera Alabama...so we went over there a couple of weeks ago and
here is
what we found!

The museum has 4 car, USAX G-53, G-64 and two numbers I failed to
write
down or get in photos. I was told that these were "simulator crew
cars".
The cars appear to be converted WWII troop kitchen cars (3 small
windows,
left side), with express trucks, dual AB brakes, and some
significant
modifications including large underbody fuel tanks. I took as many
photos
as the situation and light would allow and they are posted in a new
album
(USAX crew cars) on my photopoint site
(http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1312242). The paint
scheme -
silver with the Strategic Air Command's lightning bolt fist logo is
pretty
stunning! Obviously, with USAX markings, this paint scheme was
applied
some time after the mid 1950s...

Does anyone know anything else about these cars? Would they have
been seen
in trains, or were they pretty much fixed in place...I was told
that two of
them are being used for housing for museum staff right now!

Happy Rails
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D.
Scott-Ritchey Research Center
334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax)
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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Re: Arch Bars Again

Richard Hendrickson
 

Guy Wilber wrote:

Within my data I find no conclusive mention of a further extension to July,
1941. There is no member road vote listed (via letter ballot) within the
1941 AAR Mechanical Division "Proceedings". Was this extension granted by
the AARs' Board of Directors (as was the case in several of the previous
extensions)? If July, 1941 was indeed the final date, can anyone here
provide conclusive information via AAR interchange rules book and/or other
data?
I have seen the 7/41 date documented but in searching in my (currently
rather disorderly) files for the evidence, I haven't been able to find it.
I'll continue to look for it, but I'm sure that mid-1941 is the correct
date.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Decker reefers

Richard Hendrickson
 

Forwarded from the M&StL list... Anyone have any further info
on the Decker line?

From: Clark Propst <cepropst@rconnect.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:48:55 -0600
Reply-To: mstl@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mstl] Decker reefers

I just got back from the library with my new treasure. It's a photo of
the Deckers reefers taken on 2-19-35. There's a string of at least a
dozen, the most prominent car is 2588. At a guess I'd say the sides are
yellow with the rest of the car being BCR. To the left of the door in
roman letters are stacked 'Decker refrigerator Line'. Below that are
the reporting marks D.M.R.X. in gothic with number under marks. Right
side of door centered is Refrigerator in roman.
As of 1933, Decker's 36' meat reefers numbered DMRX 2550-2574 and 2800-2904
and tank cars JEDX 20-50 were operated by General American. By 1940, the
reefers were incorporated in GATC's ORER entry, though still under DMRX
reporting marks, and the tank cars were no longer listed. By that time the
reefer number series was 2800-2949. By 1943 the Decker cars were no longer
listed in the ORER, having been absorbed into the GATC fleet. In the 1920s
and '30s General American operated meat reefers for a number of different
packing houses that had their own reporting marks and kept the cars in
assigned service. This practice declined during WWII, when freight cars
were pooled to get maximum mileage out of them, and the cars were absorbed
into the GARX fleet (most of them having been built by GATC in the first
place).

Clark, is it possible to get a copy of that photo for publication?


Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


USAX Crew Cars

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Hello all,

As many of you know, I have an interest in WWII Troop Sleepers and Kitchen
cars. Vaguely, in the back of my mind, I recalled some cars that might
have been converted from these cars at the Heart of Dixie Railroad Museum
in Calera Alabama...so we went over there a couple of weeks ago and here is
what we found!

The museum has 4 car, USAX G-53, G-64 and two numbers I failed to write
down or get in photos. I was told that these were "simulator crew cars".
The cars appear to be converted WWII troop kitchen cars (3 small windows,
left side), with express trucks, dual AB brakes, and some significant
modifications including large underbody fuel tanks. I took as many photos
as the situation and light would allow and they are posted in a new album
(USAX crew cars) on my photopoint site
(http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1312242). The paint scheme -
silver with the Strategic Air Command's lightning bolt fist logo is pretty
stunning! Obviously, with USAX markings, this paint scheme was applied
some time after the mid 1950s...

Does anyone know anything else about these cars? Would they have been seen
in trains, or were they pretty much fixed in place...I was told that two of
them are being used for housing for museum staff right now!

Happy Rails
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D.
Scott-Ritchey Research Center
334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax)
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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ACL K-7 lettering

Ted Culotta <ted@...>
 

Does anyone out there have a photo that they could scan for me that shows
how the ACL's K-7 gons were lettered in the mid-1940's? The K-7 gons are
the fishbelly center sill ones with short sides made in resin by Funaro.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Ted

------------------------------
Ted Culotta
Electron Economy
t: 408-597-3233
f: 408-873-3279
e: ted@electroneconomy.com
w: www.electroneconomy.com


Decker reefers

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Forwarded from the M&StL list... Anyone have any further info
on the Decker line?

From: Clark Propst <cepropst@rconnect.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:48:55 -0600
Reply-To: mstl@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mstl] Decker reefers

I just got back from the library with my new treasure. It's a photo of
the Deckers reefers taken on 2-19-35. There's a string of at least a
dozen, the most prominent car is 2588. At a guess I'd say the sides are
yellow with the rest of the car being BCR. To the left of the door in
roman letters are stacked 'Decker refrigerator Line'. Below that are
the reporting marks D.M.R.X. in gothic with number under marks. Right
side of door centered is Refrigerator in roman.
Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: What is holding up UTLX tank car kits

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Yes he does have an email address but since you said the terrible word
1960 I'm not going to give it to you. You might put evil thoughts into his
mind, like modern stuff. Well 1960 is modern to me<G>. Ah, you broke my
arm, it's
dtichy@optonline.net

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: What is holding up UTLX tank car kits

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Does Don Tichy have an email address?? I could send him JPG files
of tiny tankcars. Man, would I love to have a model of one of the
Ethyl tankcars from the 1960's... Ooops. We're not supposed to talk
about THOSE YEARS here.

Bill Welch wrote

I have from the horse's mouth he is planning this, but I do not know what
his time line is. Now that he has started doing some new freight car
projects, I think we can believe we will see them. He is talking about doing
things like 4K, 6K, and 12K and multi compartment tanks, all with kitbashing
in mind. I am sure if people give him info, it can only help.

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: What is holding up UTLX tank car kits

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

I have from the horse's mouth he is planning this, but I do not know what his time line is. Now that he has started doing some new freight car projects, I think we can believe we will see them. He is talking about doing things like 4K, 6K, and 12K and multi compartment tanks, all with kitbashing in mind. I am sure if people give him info, it can only help.

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 3/6/01, at 8:50 AM, Jon Miller wrote:

smaller tanks Tichy is planning to do as extra parts to be fitted with
alteration to his underframe<
I haven't heard about the Tichy rumors. Is that sentence it or is there
more rumor/information?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
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Telephone 703 281-4230 Fax 703 281-5399


Re: What is holding up UTLX tank car kits

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

smaller tanks Tichy is planning to do as extra parts to be fitted with
alteration to his underframe<
I haven't heard about the Tichy rumors. Is that sentence it or is there
more rumor/information?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


UP Mail Train

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Bruce,
The date on the mail train is 1957. I've uploaded the photo......including an ACL and PFE car as well.....in the STMFC archive. It sure doesn't look like an X-29.

Mike


What is holding up UTLX tank car kits

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

Regarding these kits and what is holding up their release from Sunshine Models, the catch is that Martin L. is having difficulty finding someone to do the photoetched parts in the kit. The patterns are done for the underframe. The underframe is designed to have its length easily changed to accomodate different length tanks. Designed essentially to use the InterMountain 8K & 10K tanks, one will be able to easily shorten the underframe to fit a Life Like 8K or 10K tank to it, for example. I know I specifically acquired extra undecorated LL kits with this in mind.

I will use the extra LL underfrmaes that result with the smaller tanks Tichy is planning to do as extra parts to be fitted with alteration to his underframe.


Bill 'Welch <bwelch@uucf.org>
Associate Minister, Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Fairfax
P.O. Box 130 Oakton VA 22124 www.uucf.org
Telephone 703 281-4230 Fax 703 281-5399


Re: Pennsy 2248

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Bruce,
There is a photo in UP Modeler Vol 1 showing Pennsy 2248 on a UP Mail
Train. No windows. Can you tell me a bit about this car?

Mike Brock
Mike,

You didn't give me a date for the photograph, but since you're interested,
I'll assume that its in the early '50s <G>. The January 18, 1953 Official
Register of Passenger Train Equipment (for PRR see Jerry Britton's site:
http://kc.pennsyrr.com/passops/index.html) lists #2248 as AAR class BX,
Express (Box), Steel, 40' 6" inside length, 45'3" over buffers, 493 cars in
class. This is an X-29 boxcar modified for express service (High speed
trucks, steam line). Interestingly, the coupled length of the X-29 from
the equipment diagram is 44'9", so the extra 6" probably comes from draft
gear modified for express service. As you may know, an excellent express
X-29 is available from Red Caboose in 12 different road numbers (reweigh
date 1941). Every passenger train modeler in the country should have at
least one of these (to go with their H21 hoppers <G>)!

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Scott-Ritchey Research Center
334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax)
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Re: PRR R-60 express reefer

Bob Johnson <bobjohnson@...>
 

John, Bruce and list,

Following are the quantities of PRR express reefers for several dates:

Class built 1-1-47 1-1-50 1-1-55 1-1-60 1-1-67 1-1-68
R50 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
R50a 1 1 1 1 0 0 0
R50b 550 547 546 412 154 6 0
R60 36 33 16 2 0 0 0

Bob Johnson

"Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." wrote:

The R-60 reefer was a relatively rare bird - I don't have the exact number
on hand, but the class numbered around 30 when built (early 1900s). By the
transition era, only a few were left in service. It is an interesting car
as it had some unique features, such as a central corridor (where the doors
are) with two seperate refrigerated sections. A far more common sight
would have been the R-50 express reefer, which numbered in the thousands.
Hopefully, we will see a resin R-50 in the very near future (the scuttlebut
says so...).

As Richard noted, photos of PRR express reefers have documented travel all
over the continent, so the possibility does exist that an R-60 would show
up on the Santa Fe, however, the later in the steam era, the less likely,
and the R-60 was usually assigned to a specific service rather than roaming
where needed.

Having said all this, I too have the Railworks R-60 (nice model) and even
though I model PRR, that particular reefer will not show up too often on my
layout...even in 1944 its a bit of an oddball.

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