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Tichy Tank/Alternatives

cn528 <jscagle@...>
 

Mr. Bennett: Wrote the following

The 'Type 11' description relates to an ACF car based on drawings
implemented in 1911, hence the '11'. The Proto 2000 tank car is a Type 21,
drawing implemented in, you guessed it, 1921, the Intermountain car a Type
27.

The main problem is that these are all ACF cars but the greatest part of the
tank car fleet was UTLX. Only Speedwitch Media and Sunshine Models do
significant alternatives.

ONly Speedwith and Sunshine do significant alternatives?

I would have to say Not So. Have you seen any of the latest advertisements for Southern Car & Foundry. The only manufacturer that offers radial course and multi-compartment cars. And on a completely different frame platform than AC&F or a modified AC&F to look like a Type 30. No one offers multi-compartment cars except us. or maybe athearn And we are planning more.



Just had to say something here.

jon
sc&f


Re: ARCHER rivets on Factory Painted Boxcars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Andy Carlson wrote:
With the availability of ACR rivets from Archer, we can more easily model ACR boxcars. My question: has anyone applied the Archer rivets directly to a Painted and lettered model (such as a FP Branchline UP 40' boxcar)? What was their experience, and is this a viable way to achieve an ACR FP boxcar? I imagine that the rivets would require some paint touch-up.
The rivets are black, so only on something like a black SP Overnight box car could you do this application without paint touchup. (But of course that's a car which DOES need these rivets.) One could of course touch each rivet with a dot of BCR paint on a BCR box car--
delicate work--but it would avoid getting out the spray gun.

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ARCHER rivets on Factory Painted Boxcars

Andy Carlson
 

With the availability of ACR rivets from Archer, we can more easily model ACR boxcars. My question: has anyone applied the Archer rivets directly to a Painted and lettered model (such as a FP Branchline UP 40' boxcar)? What was their experience, and is this a viable way to achieve an ACR FP boxcar? I imagine that the rivets would require some paint touch-up.
Thanks dear folks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




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Bruce Smith posted:




Folks,

I just got the following from Archer! Adding these to the inventory
is fantastic - thanks Tony!!

NEW SURFACE DETAILS FOR MODEL RAILROADERS

Alternative Center Rivets (N-SCALE)
Alternate center rivets for freight cars with thinner sheet sides.
See the February, 2009 Railroad Model Craftsman magazine for more
details.
Researched by Tony Thompson
AR16017 - $14.95 each

Offset Rivets (N-SCALE)
For use on tank cars with double row rivets.
Researched by Tony Thompson
AR16017 - $14.95 each

Alternative Center Rivets (HO-SCALE)
Alternate center rivets for freight cars with thinner sheet sides.
See the February, 2009 Railroad Model Craftsman magazine for more
details.
Researched by Tony Thompson
AR16017 - $14.95 each

Offset Rivets (HO-SCALE)
For use on tank cars with double row rivets.
Researched by Tony Thompson
AR16017 - $14.95 each

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Re: ARCHER NEW RELEASES (July 15, 2009)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
I just got the following from Archer! Adding these to the inventory is fantastic - thanks Tony!!
You're welcome, Bruce. I received some of these sets and have already put them to use. I have been working on an oil dealer and realized I can make storage tanks quickly and easily with these rivets. Sweet!

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Patent Model of Railroad Truck

SUVCWORR@...
 

The patent documentation may be the excuse for the high price but it is an expired patent and the documentation can be obtained from the US Patent and Trademark Office for the cost of duplicating and shipping if you take the time to search the US patents on line and find the patent number.? I would venture that would be far less than the current asking price on Ebay.

Rich Orr

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Quite a high asking price for such a crude model. I suppose that the reserve
price may be what it is due to the patent documentation that comes with the
model.

As for this patent being issued "just before WWI", that threw this Canadian for
a loop. The UK, Canada, and Australia (a few citizens of each are on this list)
were involved in WWI from 1914-18.

Steve Lucas
Ingersoll, Ontario, Canada.

--- In STMFC@..., "cvsne" <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Currently up for auction on eBay (no, it's not my auction and I have no idea
who's it is) is an unusual truck patent, along with the concept model.

You can see it here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220450004938

Patent applicant is a Mr. Walther Chalfent of Brownsville, PA and the truck
has an unusual double sideframe design (essentially, there are sideframes on
both sides of the wheels. The patent application dates from just before World
War I - 1915-16.

From the side the sideframes look similar to more contemporary trucks, but no
specific features that scream "here is the origins of "XX" truck can be readily
identified from the images with the auction. I'd say most likely this is an
interesting concept that proved unworkable, too costly, or unreliable and
therefore never got beyond the patent/prototype stage.

Thought some of the truck historians on this list would be interested and
perhaps some may know better than I if anything came of this design - or the
patent applicant.

Marty McGuirk



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ARCHER NEW RELEASES (July 15, 2009)

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

I just got the following from Archer! Adding these to the inventory
is fantastic - thanks Tony!!


NEW SURFACE DETAILS FOR MODEL RAILROADERS

Alternative Center Rivets (N-SCALE)
Alternate center rivets for freight cars with thinner sheet sides.
See the February, 2009 Railroad Model Craftsman magazine for more
details.
Researched by Tony Thompson
AR16017 - $14.95 each

Offset Rivets (N-SCALE)
For use on tank cars with double row rivets.
Researched by Tony Thompson
AR16017 - $14.95 each

Alternative Center Rivets (HO-SCALE)
Alternate center rivets for freight cars with thinner sheet sides.
See the February, 2009 Railroad Model Craftsman magazine for more
details.
Researched by Tony Thompson
AR16017 - $14.95 each

Offset Rivets (HO-SCALE)
For use on tank cars with double row rivets.
Researched by Tony Thompson
AR16017 - $14.95 each


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Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
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Re: What shall we do with the Tichy tank car??

Bruce Smith
 

On Jul 15, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:

I know an adaptive use of this model. Cross a full Tichy kit with a certain Red Caboose tank car kit, and you get both a certain "North American" tank car and a CC&F-built CGTX War Emergency tank car. I'll build both sometime.
That is not the correct cross-kitting. The correct cross-kitting is to use the Tichy tank on the IM underframe for the USG-A (and CC&F) WWII car, with the IM tank is used with a bashed Tichy underframe for the North American car (Pressed Steel car co). Note that Ted now offers a kitbash in a box for the latter car (http:// www.speedwitch.com/Models/kc103.htm), and Richard Hendrickson wrote it up in Prototype Railroad Modeling Volume One. The USG-A/CC&F bash was written up in RMC, July 2002, by Russ Pinchbeck.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Patent Model of Railroad Truck

Marty McGuirk
 

Okay . . . "before the U.S. entry into WWI."



But what do I know, my grandfathers' were both behind barricades in Dublin and Cork in 1916 . . .

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:20:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Patent Model of Railroad Truck








Quite a high asking price for such a crude model. I suppose that the reserve price may be what it is due to the patent documentation that comes with the model.

As for this patent being issued "just before WWI", that threw this Canadian for a loop. The UK, Canada, and Australia (a few citizens of each are on this list) were involved in WWI from 1914-18.

Steve Lucas
Ingersoll, Ontario, Canada.

--- In STMFC@... , "cvsne" <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Currently up for auction on eBay (no, it's not my auction and I have no idea
who's it is) is an unusual truck patent, along with the concept model.

You can see it here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220450004938

Patent applicant is a Mr. Walther Chalfent of Brownsville, PA and the truck has an unusual double sideframe design (essentially, there are sideframes on both sides of the wheels. The patent application dates from just before World War I - 1915-16.

From the side the sideframes look similar to more contemporary trucks, but no specific features that scream "here is the origins of "XX" truck can be readily identified from the images with the auction. I'd say most likely this is an interesting concept that proved unworkable, too costly, or unreliable and therefore never got beyond the patent/prototype stage.

Thought some of the truck historians on this list would be interested and perhaps some may know better than I if anything came of this design - or the patent applicant.

Marty McGuirk



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Re: Patent Model of Railroad Truck

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

No axles (2 wheels axles) and double bearings on each wheel may have made it dead in the water. Very expensive to maintain in 1914.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


What shall we do with the Tichy tank car??

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I know an adaptive use of this model. Cross a full Tichy kit with a certain Red Caboose tank car kit, and you get both a certain "North American" tank car and a CC&F-built CGTX War Emergency tank car. I'll build both sometime.

But are there other uses for this very well-executed orphan model of a car that was never built?? The die work on it is amongst the best that I have seen in plastic models.

Steve Lucas.


Re: Patent Model of Railroad Truck

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Quite a high asking price for such a crude model. I suppose that the reserve price may be what it is due to the patent documentation that comes with the model.

As for this patent being issued "just before WWI", that threw this Canadian for a loop. The UK, Canada, and Australia (a few citizens of each are on this list) were involved in WWI from 1914-18.

Steve Lucas
Ingersoll, Ontario, Canada.

--- In STMFC@..., "cvsne" <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Currently up for auction on eBay (no, it's not my auction and I have no idea
who's it is) is an unusual truck patent, along with the concept model.

You can see it here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220450004938

Patent applicant is a Mr. Walther Chalfent of Brownsville, PA and the truck has an unusual double sideframe design (essentially, there are sideframes on both sides of the wheels. The patent application dates from just before World War I - 1915-16.

From the side the sideframes look similar to more contemporary trucks, but no specific features that scream "here is the origins of "XX" truck can be readily identified from the images with the auction. I'd say most likely this is an interesting concept that proved unworkable, too costly, or unreliable and therefore never got beyond the patent/prototype stage.

Thought some of the truck historians on this list would be interested and perhaps some may know better than I if anything came of this design - or the patent applicant.

Marty McGuirk


Re: Sunshine XM-1 BAR boxcars

Marty McGuirk
 

Jim,

Assuming your post is accurately quoting the Sunshine flyer (I don't have it in front of me) I'd venture a guess that there's a typo on the flyer and it should read "1000-1500"!

Yes, the cars were renumbered (a process which took several years based on photos that we know were taken in early 1957 with one of cars clearly visible numbered in the 1000-series.

This is a true signature car for the railroad, and I'm glad to see some "state of the art" cars of this type becoming available. Naturally, I just about finished upgrading two old Yankee Clipper models I have. If Murphy keeps plotting against me once I buy some of these new Sunshine kits then someone will release them in plastic!

Marty


Patent Model of Railroad Truck

Marty McGuirk
 

Currently up for auction on eBay (no, it's not my auction and I have no idea
who's it is) is an unusual truck patent, along with the concept model.

You can see it here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220450004938

Patent applicant is a Mr. Walther Chalfent of Brownsville, PA and the truck has an unusual double sideframe design (essentially, there are sideframes on both sides of the wheels. The patent application dates from just before World War I - 1915-16.

From the side the sideframes look similar to more contemporary trucks, but no specific features that scream "here is the origins of "XX" truck can be readily identified from the images with the auction. I'd say most likely this is an interesting concept that proved unworkable, too costly, or unreliable and therefore never got beyond the patent/prototype stage.

Thought some of the truck historians on this list would be interested and perhaps some may know better than I if anything came of this design - or the patent applicant.

Marty McGuirk


Re: HO Tichy tank car underframe...

Barry Bennett <Barrybennetttoo@...>
 

Apologies to one and all re this message, and especially to Steve.

By dint of the inevitable coincidence I was in email conversation with somebody who is fairly new to modelling US railroads and we were have a fairly superficial chat establishing a general timeline for freight cars in general terms.

My Web browser threw up Steve's message which I assumed was part of my conversation.

NOTE TO SELF 1:- Check message address before sending.

NOTE TO SELF 3:- It may be wiser to hold conversations through email site rather than Web browser.

Retires to corner in embarrassment.

Mind you, the replies are, as usual, full of excellent information which I will one day put to use in my model railroad.

Barry Bennett

-- In STMFC@..., "barrybennetttoo" <Barrybennetttoo@...> wrote:

Not a hope.



The Tichy car is bogus, it was a design by AAR which was never taken up,
although a smallish number of similar cars were built for the US military.
These cars were designed for use (if I remember correctly) somewhere about
the time of WW2. By this time the tank car nomenclature was Type 103, 105
etc, each being represented by the Red Caboose type 103W (W for welded) and
the Atlas Type 105 insulated tank car.



The 'Type 11' description relates to an ACF car based on drawings
implemented in 1911, hence the '11'. The Proto 2000 tank car is a Type 21,
drawing implemented in, you guessed it, 1921, the Intermountain car a Type
27.



The main problem is that these are all ACF cars but the greatest part of the
tank car fleet was UTLX. Only Speedwitch Media and Sunshine Models do
significant alternatives.



Barry Bennett



-------Original Message-------



From: Steve Lucas

Date: 07/14/09 21:07:34

To: STMFC@...

Subject: [STMFC] HO Tichy tank car underframe...









I was reading the latest RMC today, starting with Ted Cullota's article on
modelling AC&F Type 11 tank cars.



Comments, please, on using the Tichy tank car underframe for modelling that
on AC&F built Type 11 cars? Accurate/needs some work/needs a lot of
work/totally useless?



Thanks in advance,



Steve Lucas.










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Resin report

seaboard_1966
 

I have found myself on a bit of a building spree lately. Here is what I have accomplished.

1 WrightTRAK FGE mechanical reefer. This is the first one of three that I need to build. This is a pretty nice kit with lots of etched parts including ladders, grabs, sill steps and brake rigging. I found this kit enjoyable to build and it took about 4 or so days of working here and working there.

2 WrightTRAK Southern Railway woodrack. If there were a shake the box resin kit this would be it. Theese kits were done by Jim King and I must say he did a GREAT job. It goes together easily and is a two night kit. These cars represent cars that were rebuilt from obsolete boxcars. These are available in either Southern Railroad Roman, as delivered, of Southern Block lettering. C&O lettering is also available as some of these cars ended up on the C&O

3 Central of Georgia Historical Society CofGa woodrack. Another Jim King and another breeze. Clean up is mininal and the car just goes together easily. As I said, I got this one from the CofGa HS and I don't know if they are currently available. Again, like the Southern car mentioned above, these kits represent cars rebuilt from obsolete cars. This time it was from ventilated boxcars.

4 Southern Railway low side gon. This is another Im King product and another one that simply flies together. Again minimal clean up and just a two evening kit.

5 I also built a pilot model for a new WrightTRAK kit which we will be announcing shortly. I found this kit to be a couple of evenings kit as well. It features all of the usual WrightTRAK traits. More on this when we can announce it. Lets just say that this car comes up from time to time on this list.

Now, all I have to do is arrange time to get all of these painted.

We well be atttending the show at Naperville this fall. I look foward to seeing you all there.

Denis Blake
Marketing Director
WrightTRAK Railroad Models, LLC


Re: HO Tichy tank car underframe...

feddersenmark
 

After reading Ted's article in the latest RMC, I was wondering the same thing. I have not had time to study the details and dimensions of the Type 11 underframe in depth, but at first glance it appears doable with not much work. One detail that stands out is the lightly constructed side sills and only 4 rivets at the end of the bolster compared to 6 for the Tichy underframe. I suspect the ends of the frames are also different than the Tichy car, but that should be an easy fix. I will be using the Tichy frame when I do these cars, mainly because I have a ton of the Tichy cars, I don't want to buy the F&C cars just for the frame and I prefer working with styrene. Mark Feddersen

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

I was reading the latest RMC today, starting with Ted Cullota's article on modelling AC&F Type 11 tank cars.

Comments, please, on using the Tichy tank car underframe for modelling that on AC&F built Type 11 cars? Accurate/needs some work/needs a lot of work/totally useless?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.


Re: Interested in visiting Michigan STMFC hotspots

Tim O'Connor
 

Northern or Southern Peninsula? :-)

At 7/14/2009 05:26 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
I am making my 2009 Naperville plans, and I am interested in visiting Michigan to, among other things, look at areas of interest to a STMFC'er. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Sunshine XM-1 BAR boxcars

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

I compared the road names on the Sunshine flyer for the XM-1 bpxcar with pratt truss against my 1955 ORER CD from Westerfield. The Sunshine flyer lists the number series for BAR as 61100-599. There were no cars in this number series for BAR in the 1955 CD.

I checked the RPI site and discovered these cars were renumbered. There are some photos on the pay side circa 1950 and later with these cars being in the 1000 series and 3000 series.

I then checked this against the 1955 ORER CD, which indicates the 1000-1599 are "old numbers" and 3000-3599 are "new numbers." Presumably, some of these cars could have carried three different road numbers.

According to the ORER, BAR had 572 on the roster in 1955.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD


Re: HO Tichy tank car underframe...

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I used a Tichy underframe and either a RC or IM tank. The problem is this car has been in the construction bin so long I forgot what I was doing. My understanding is the Tichy underframe is good but not with the tank that's on it.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: HO Tichy tank car underframe...

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Barry Bennett wrote:
The Tichy car is bogus, it was a design by AAR which was never taken up, although a smallish number of similar cars were built for the US military. These cars were designed for use (if I remember correctly) somewhere about
the time of WW2.
Good basic thought, Barry, but wrong agency and wrong war <g>. It's a USRA tank car, circa WW I, and was never built by the USRA. What you're remembering is the similar though not identical Ware Emergency tank cars of WW II.

By this time the tank car nomenclature was Type 103, 105 etc, each being represented by the Red Caboose type 103W (W for welded) and the Atlas Type 105 insulated tank car.
The Red Caboose car is a relatively rare prototype of circa 1950 or later. The At;as car is only one (and a rather large one) of the various Type 105 designs.
All that said, the Tichy UNDERFRAME is not at all bad. Numerous authors, including Mark Feddersen, have used it over the years for kitbashed tank cars.
(Normally I'd wait for Richard Hendrickson to answer this, but I know he's en route to the Santa Fe meet.)

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