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Re: New HO scale USRA hopper?

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Tim,

Having I believe more experience than most on this list in working with Samhongsa I'd like to learn what prompted the comment regarding MTH having "brought down the mighty Samhongsa".

Thanks, Don Valentine

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Dennis

It's pretty ironic too when you consider that MTH collected
millions and millions from Lionel (and brought down the mighty
Samhongsa) for stealing MTH's intellectual property...

Well maybe someday we'll have a repeat of ERTL and there will
be bins of MTH models at train shows for $3 apiece. (ERTL of
course famously copied your box car, Tichy's flat car, and an
RPI resin MEC gondola kit.)

Tim O'Connor


Re: Hatch for Red Caboose Meat Reefer

Andy Carlson
 

Actually, Intermountain doesn't have Red Caboose, they just are the exclusive provider of RC's RTR line of product, RC remains as a business, and they are still selling to their dealers and direct customers their line of RC KITS and Parts. Intermountain has no parts for Red Caboose items, and can't even supply parts for broken/missing components of the RTR cars. If red Caboose is out of parts, then you will have to be patient or lucky with us STMFC'ers.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





You might want to try intermountain, they have the red caboose now.

Mark Morgan


I finished an HO Red Caboose meat reefer not too long ago and one of the ice hatches seems to have "departed the vehicle". Would anyone have a spare hatch that you could make available? The manufacturer is out of parts. Thank you for your time!


Re: Hatch for Red Caboose Meat Reefer

Mark
 

Hello, John

You might want to try intermountain, they have the red caboose now.

Mark Morgan

--- On Tue, 7/28/09, John Golden <golden1014@...> wrote:

From: John Golden <golden1014@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Hatch for Red Caboose Meat Reefer
To: rpm-forum@..., stmfc@...
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 10:56 AM






 





Gentlemen,

 

I finished an HO Red Caboose meat reefer not too long ago and one of the ice hatches seems to have "departed the vehicle".  Would anyone have a spare hatch that you could make available?  The manufacturer is out of parts.  Thank you for your time!

 

John



John Golden

Bloomington, IN



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Hatch for Red Caboose Meat Reefer

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,
 
I finished an HO Red Caboose meat reefer not too long ago and one of the ice hatches seems to have "departed the vehicle".  Would anyone have a spare hatch that you could make available?  The manufacturer is out of parts.  Thank you for your time!
 
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


Re: Freight cars owned are not employed in Interstate Commerce

Ross McLeod <cdnrailmarine@...>
 

Dennis - I am sure you are right, likely uniquely Canadian and maybe only one sided.
By that I mean the other carriers (cnx's) may or may not have gone along with the BCE in their acceptance of old BCE cars in freight interswitching movements.
 
The BC Electric in 1926 showed in their ORER listing, 3 CNR interchanges, 3 CPR, 1 Milw, 3 GN and 1 NP interchange all in BC.
 
While the BCE was also operating CPR's VLI branch under lease, this part of their operation was never known as the BCE, it retained its VLI identity.
 
I doubt we will ever determine if in fact the cnx's accepted this business, interesting as a operations possibity for someone basement railway.
 
Ross McLeod Calgary


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Re: New HO scale USRA hopper?

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Storzek

--- In STMFC@..., "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> wrote:

I doubt showing an existing model in an ad counts as "stealing intellectual
property". Copying it and producing it as their own, yes. Showing it with
a label indicating that what you'll buy won't look the same, no.
Kurt,

I'm not complaining . . .


----- Original Message -----

I know, Dennis. I was responding to the post following yours.

KL


Re: New HO scale USRA hopper?

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> wrote:

I doubt showing an existing model in an ad counts as "stealing intellectual
property". Copying it and producing it as their own, yes. Showing it with
a label indicating that what you'll buy won't look the same, no.
Kurt,

I'm not complaining. It's not unusual for manufacturers to use other products to mock-up for ad photos, I've done it myself, once using one of my old resin kits, other times using kit moldings from predecessor companies where we now owned the tooling. Unlike some other manufacturers, whose mock-ups looked better than their production run, I always took great pains to not show something other than what you were going to get. I often joke about writing an April Fools Day article on how to add molded on grabs to a car scratchbuilt from Evergreen styrene, because I've done it... but unfortunately, in the rush to meet a deadline, never took any pictures.

I bring this up because the Ertl affair was simply laughable; we had people on various lists waxing eloquently about the detail on the new Ertl boxcar, and correctly claiming the prototype was a NYC boxcar, only to have the actual product model the URSA DS car, with far coarser detail and huge grab irons. Separate, but huge.

Could happen again. The fact that MTH took great pains to not show our handbrake or Enterprise hardware means they don't want you to see them... for whatever reason. And, other kit producers who tried separate wire grabs on hoppers found that you simply can't core two intersecting .013" holes through a .040" square corner post and have things hold together... something's gotta give. So, we'll see.

I'm surprised that no one has ever done what I did with hopper grabs when I was looking at ways to improve the state of the art when designing our 70 ton triple; that is, grind an X-acto blade to clear the side sill, reach inside the body, and scrape the the molded on grabs thinner from the back. It doesn't take very long to do a car, and while it doesn't help with the grabs molded onto the body, it does eliminate the "bookshelf" look of the open ladders.

I'll be interested to see the model MTH actually produces. Meanwhile, we're still at $12.98 per kit.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Re: New HO Scale USRA Hopper

Alan Palmer <rrgeekdev@...>
 

I second that motion. I need some NYC ones for my Rutland line.

Alan


On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Richard Murray<murrayclan03@...> wrote:
I wish Accurail would produce the USRA 70Ton coal car. I think for the price, Accurail has some of the best freight cars out there. I started out back in the 1980's scraping off moulded on ladders and hand grabs. Since I still like to build kits, paint and decal, Accurail is the 21st Century version of the old Athearn blue box kits. Some how this sounds like we are back where we started. And yes, I build resin kits once in awhile. Dennis, please think about producing the USRA 70Ton coal car. Some of us NYC types really need quite a few.  Dick Murray



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Re: New HO Scale USRA Hopper

Richard Murray
 

I wish Accurail would produce the USRA 70Ton coal car. I think for the price, Accurail has some of the best freight cars out there. I started out back in the 1980's scraping off moulded on ladders and hand grabs. Since I still like to build kits, paint and decal, Accurail is the 21st Century version of the old Athearn blue box kits. Some how this sounds like we are back where we started. And yes, I build resin kits once in awhile. Dennis, please think about producing the USRA 70Ton coal car. Some of us NYC types really need quite a few. Dick Murray


Re: New HO scale USRA hopper?

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

I doubt showing an existing model in an ad counts as "stealing intellectual property". Copying it and producing it as their own, yes. Showing it with a label indicating that what you'll buy won't look the same, no.

It's interesting that Ertl was mentioned. In the 90's they produced injection molded kits of some large and exotic USAF bombers that had only appeared as vacuum formed kits about 15 years earlier. If you know about vac kits they generally have soft/non-existant details, while the injection kits were quite nice. Apparently they bought some of the vac kits and built them up to take around to trade shows (as "Coming Soon!!") and even photographed them for the new kit's boxes when the test shots were delayed. On two separate occasions I picked up the Ertl kit at the hobby shop, but after looking at the rather mushy airplane shown in the box photos, decided it wasn't a great kit and put it down without buying it. Talking to others over the years I've run into a number of folks who did the same thing, and were amazed to see the fine kit inside when it was finally purchased. Clearly an advantage in making your first impression your best.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor

It's pretty ironic too when you consider that MTH collected
millions and millions from Lionel (and brought down the mighty
Samhongsa) for stealing MTH's intellectual property...

----- Original Message -----


Re: New HO scale USRA hopper?

Mark
 

I like accurail! I like USA made stuff. MTH prices are crazy.

Mark Morgan

--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: New HO scale USRA hopper?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 5:42 PM






 





--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@ ...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@ > wrote:
The catalog says "decorative brake wheels" (!) Since the original
cars did not have power hand brakes, it seems MTH is going to have
some anachronism issues. There are no visible door locks or
Enterprise mechanisms visible but all 17 photos show only the
right side/A-end of the car. (The Enterprise mechanism was on
one side only.) There are no interior detail photos.
Tim O'Connor
Also of interest is that the high angle photo of one corner of a car shows wire grabs, while the full-model photos show cast-on grabs. One can be charitable and conclude that they still have some decisions to make. I DO like the foobie warning, though.
Ed
Edward Sutorik


I'm thrilled. This is the second time this has happened... First Ertl used one of my resin boxcars, displaying it as a "pre-production" model of their new kit (which turned out to be a different car, considerably more grossly detail) and now MTH thinks enough of the Accurail USRA hopper to feature pages of them. I wonder why they didn't feature the side with the Enterprise locks? Maybe they have no need for those tiny extra parts?



As it is, I don't understand why someone would want to pay $30 per car when for a few bucks more they could buy a three pack of Accurail kits, unless it's the keep those Chinese rice bowls filled.



Now that I look at the other freightcars in the catalog, I wonder whose kits they are? An Intermountain 60' TTX machinery flat, and a Red Caboose reefer, maybe?



Wonder what the REAL MTH offerings will look like?



Dennis Storzek

Accurail, Inc.































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Re: ERIE GE UM-20s

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Denny,

I am working diligently to accomplish just that. But even more of a deadline is the ELHS meeting in
October. January shouldn't be much of a challenge . . .

SGL

Schuyler, these famous locomotive models are truly a curiosity, and
there are those of us who are in great state of anticipation of
seeing them soon completed, buffed up, shiny, running, and purring
soon, at least by the time of the Prototype modelers meet in Florida
this January.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento




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Re: New HO scale USRA hopper?

spsalso
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Dennis Storzek" <destorzek@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@> wrote:

Also of interest is that the high angle photo of one corner of a car shows wire grabs, while the full-model photos show cast-on grabs.
As it is, I don't understand why someone would want to pay $30 per car when for a few bucks more they could buy a three pack of Accurail kits

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.
Explanation: I'm really un-fond of cast on grabs/ladders.

Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: New HO scale USRA hopper?

Tim O'Connor
 

Dennis

It's pretty ironic too when you consider that MTH collected
millions and millions from Lionel (and brought down the mighty
Samhongsa) for stealing MTH's intellectual property...

Well maybe someday we'll have a repeat of ERTL and there will
be bins of MTH models at train shows for $3 apiece. (ERTL of
course famously copied your box car, Tichy's flat car, and an
RPI resin MEC gondola kit.)

Tim O'Connor

I'm thrilled. This is the second time this has happened... First Ertl used one of my resin boxcars, displaying it as a "pre-production" model of their new kit (which turned out to be a different car, considerably more grossly detail) and now MTH thinks enough of the Accurail USRA hopper to feature pages of them. I wonder why they didn't feature the side with the Enterprise locks? Maybe they have no need for those tiny extra parts?

As it is, I don't understand why someone would want to pay $30 per car when for a few bucks more they could buy a three pack of Accurail kits, unless it's the keep those Chinese rice bowls filled.

Now that I look at the other freightcars in the catalog, I wonder whose kits they are? An Intermountain 60' TTX machinery flat, and a Red Caboose reefer, maybe?

Wonder what the REAL MTH offerings will look like?

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Re: Freight cars owned are not employed in Interstate Commerce

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@..., "railsnw1" <railsnw@...> wrote:

I think that meens direct connection on BC Electric Lines only. I have seen photos of these cars and most had "BCE" and the number only, no other data that would be required.

Richard Wilkens
I believe this is a Canadianism, not otherwise done in the US, and maybe only done in the port of Vancouver. If Rod Kirkham is on this list he could probabally tell us for sure, but as I recall BCE needed to use the CP to access the docks, and had an agreement where CP would handle their junk only between the docks and the BCE connection; it was up to the CP to be sure the cars didn't escape onto the general rail network.

Dennis


Re: New HO scale USRA hopper?

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@..., "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@> wrote:

The catalog says "decorative brake wheels" (!) Since the original
cars did not have power hand brakes, it seems MTH is going to have
some anachronism issues. There are no visible door locks or
Enterprise mechanisms visible but all 17 photos show only the
right side/A-end of the car. (The Enterprise mechanism was on
one side only.) There are no interior detail photos.

Tim O'Connor
Also of interest is that the high angle photo of one corner of a car shows wire grabs, while the full-model photos show cast-on grabs. One can be charitable and conclude that they still have some decisions to make. I DO like the foobie warning, though.

Ed

Edward Sutorik

I'm thrilled. This is the second time this has happened... First Ertl used one of my resin boxcars, displaying it as a "pre-production" model of their new kit (which turned out to be a different car, considerably more grossly detail) and now MTH thinks enough of the Accurail USRA hopper to feature pages of them. I wonder why they didn't feature the side with the Enterprise locks? Maybe they have no need for those tiny extra parts?

As it is, I don't understand why someone would want to pay $30 per car when for a few bucks more they could buy a three pack of Accurail kits, unless it's the keep those Chinese rice bowls filled.

Now that I look at the other freightcars in the catalog, I wonder whose kits they are? An Intermountain 60' TTX machinery flat, and a Red Caboose reefer, maybe?

Wonder what the REAL MTH offerings will look like?

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


ERIE GE UM-20s

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Schuyler, these famous locomotive models are truly a curiosity, and there are those of us who are in great state of anticipation of seeing them soon completed, buffed up, shiny, running, and purring soon, at least by the time of the Prototype modelers meet in Florida this January.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Freight cars owned are not employed in Interstate Commerce

railsnw1 <railsnw@...>
 

I think that meens direct connection on BC Electric Lines only. I have seen photos of these cars and most had "BCE" and the number only, no other data that would be required.

Richard Wilkens

--- In STMFC@..., "cdnrailmarine" <cdnrailmarine@...> wrote:



The BC Electric Railway entry in the ORER of October 1926 has the notation "Freight cars owned are not employed in Interstate Commerce" however, under the listing of freight and passenger equipment:

"Freight equipment only in switching service with direct connections."

For anyone wishing to move those old soldiers off line in freight service here is a precedent.

The BC Electric in this listing indicated 419 freight cars in service, 184 Plain Box, 12 Stock, 23 gondolas, 178 flats etc.

Ross McLeod Calgary


ADMIN: Yahoogroups Problem

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

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Freight cars owned are not employed in Interstate Commerce

cdnrailmarine <cdnrailmarine@...>
 

The BC Electric Railway entry in the ORER of October 1926 has the notation "Freight cars owned are not employed in Interstate Commerce" however, under the listing of freight and passenger equipment:

"Freight equipment only in switching service with direct connections."

For anyone wishing to move those old soldiers off line in freight service here is a precedent.

The BC Electric in this listing indicated 419 freight cars in service, 184 Plain Box, 12 Stock, 23 gondolas, 178 flats etc.

Ross McLeod Calgary

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