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Re: DT&I 41'6" IL drop end gondola in 1947

Paul <buygone@...>
 

Tim:



There are several GM makes in the picture. It's a Fisher Body Plant.



Paul C. Koehler



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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:00 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] DT&I 41'6" IL drop end gondola in 1947





being loaded with some kind of frames -- three across (?)
http://www.gstatic.
<http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/c4eefc778407941d_large>
com/hostedimg/c4eefc778407941d_large

Found it by searching the Google source:life
image library for "manufacturing".

And here's some gondolas of scrap on parallel trestle tracks
http://www.gstatic.
<http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/0e5a8295b172288a_large>
com/hostedimg/0e5a8295b172288a_large

Ever see a turpentine factory?
http://www.gstatic.
<http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/da9ad567f21e414c_large>
com/hostedimg/da9ad567f21e414c_large

And partially completed automobiles being loaded -- anyone
recognize the make of car (model year 1947)?
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<http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/dc13f7d0bde4d9a8_large>
com/hostedimg/dc13f7d0bde4d9a8_large

Ford's River Rouge complex in 1936
http://www.gstatic.
<http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/92559171ee60d809_large>
com/hostedimg/92559171ee60d809_large

Tim O'Connor


DT&I 41'6" IL drop end gondola in 1947

Tim O'Connor
 

being loaded with some kind of frames -- three across (?)
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/c4eefc778407941d_large

Found it by searching the Google source:life
image library for "manufacturing".

And here's some gondolas of scrap on parallel trestle tracks
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/0e5a8295b172288a_large

Ever see a turpentine factory?
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/da9ad567f21e414c_large

And partially completed automobiles being loaded -- anyone
recognize the make of car (model year 1947)?
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/dc13f7d0bde4d9a8_large

Ford's River Rouge complex in 1936
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/92559171ee60d809_large

Tim O'Connor


Re: if only this were in color!

Greg Martin
 

ANyone notice how many double door cars are in this photo. Seems like it is more than one would expect.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:26 pm
Subject: [STMFC] if only this were in color!






http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/94c37f4d880c642f_large


if only this were in color!

Tim O'Connor
 


Re: New HO Scale USRA Hopper

Ray Breyer
 

It's probably a forlorn hope, but add me and the members of "the C&IW mafia" to the list. The NYC leased these cars all over the Midwest in the 1950s.

Ray Breyer

--- On Tue, 7/28/09, Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New HO Scale USRA Hopper
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 1:09 PM
Guyz,
 
         Add me to the list as well.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Alan Palmer <rrgeekdev@gmail.com>
wrote:


From: Alan Palmer <rrgeekdev@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New HO Scale USRA Hopper
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 10:20 PM

I second that motion. I need some NYC ones for my Rutland
line.

Alan

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Richard
Murray<murrayclan03@ yahoo.com> wrote:
I wish Accurail would produce the USRA 70Ton coal car.
I think for the price, Accurail has some of the best freight
cars out there. I started out back in the 1980's scraping
off moulded on ladders and hand grabs. Since I still like to
build kits, paint and decal, Accurail is the 21st Century
version of the old Athearn blue box kits. Some how this
sounds like we are back where we started. And yes, I build
resin kits once in awhile. Dennis, please think about
producing the USRA 70Ton coal car. Some of us NYC types
really need quite a few.  Dick Murray


Re: New HO Scale USRA Hopper

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Guyz,
 
         Add me to the list as well.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Alan Palmer <rrgeekdev@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Alan Palmer <rrgeekdev@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New HO Scale USRA Hopper
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 10:20 PM


 



I second that motion. I need some NYC ones for my Rutland line.

Alan

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Richard Murray<murrayclan03@ yahoo.com> wrote:
I wish Accurail would produce the USRA 70Ton coal car. I think for the price, Accurail has some of the best freight cars out there. I started out back in the 1980's scraping off moulded on ladders and hand grabs. Since I still like to build kits, paint and decal, Accurail is the 21st Century version of the old Athearn blue box kits. Some how this sounds like we are back where we started. And yes, I build resin kits once in awhile. Dennis, please think about producing the USRA 70Ton coal car. Some of us NYC types really need quite a few.  Dick Murray



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Re: New HO scale USRA hopper?

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Storzek" <destorzek@...> wrote:
As it is, I don't understand why someone would want to pay $30 per car when for a few bucks more they could buy a three pack of Accurail kits, unless it's the keep those Chinese rice bowls filled.


And I wonder how many average Joes are going to opt for a much more expensive model when the less expensive one is almost as detailed? How many STMFC nuts are going to buy these new cars?

Just about every I know is a little strapped for cash these days.

Ed


Re: Hatch for Red Caboose Meat Reefer

Bruce Smith
 

On Jul 28, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Actually, Intermountain doesn't have Red Caboose, they just are the exclusive provider of RC's RTR line of product, RC remains as a business, and they are still selling to their dealers and direct customers their line of RC KITS and Parts. Intermountain has no parts for Red Caboose items, and can't even supply parts for broken/ missing components of the RTR cars. If red Caboose is out of parts, then you will have to be patient or lucky with us STMFC'ers.
-Andy Carlson
To add to that, I believe that the RC tooling is for sale. I'd love to see someone pick up the R-30-12 and R-30-12-9 and tweak it with separate brake rigging!

Regards
Bruce

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C&NW 50' flat cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Looking at the ORER, I initially was confused because this number
series 47xxx seemed to be occupied by box cars -- until I realized
that the box cars are even numbers, and flat cars are odd numbers!

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/de7cf00db624b69c_large

Anyway there appears to be 3 groups of these cars numbered in the
range 47001-47999. This one I think has 15 pockets. They are all
50'0" IL -- any ideas on how one might try to model one? They're
too short for the P2K and too many pockets to bash an Athearn...

Tim O'Connor


Re: Hatch for Red Caboose Meat Reefer

Charles Hladik
 

John,
Just happen to have a sprue of 4 black metal roof hatches. Don't know
if they are Intermountain or Red Caboose as IU have built both.
Contact me off list with info and I'll mail them to you.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division

In a message dated 7/28/2009 10:57:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
golden1014@yahoo.com writes:




Gentlemen,

I finished an HO Red Caboose meat reefer not too long ago and one of the
ice hatches seems to have "departed the vehicle". Would anyone have a spare
hatch that you could make available? The manufacturer is out of parts.
Thank you for your time!

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

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Re: New HO scale USRA hopper?

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Tim,

Having I believe more experience than most on this list in working with Samhongsa I'd like to learn what prompted the comment regarding MTH having "brought down the mighty Samhongsa".

Thanks, Don Valentine

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Dennis

It's pretty ironic too when you consider that MTH collected
millions and millions from Lionel (and brought down the mighty
Samhongsa) for stealing MTH's intellectual property...

Well maybe someday we'll have a repeat of ERTL and there will
be bins of MTH models at train shows for $3 apiece. (ERTL of
course famously copied your box car, Tichy's flat car, and an
RPI resin MEC gondola kit.)

Tim O'Connor


Re: Hatch for Red Caboose Meat Reefer

Andy Carlson
 

Actually, Intermountain doesn't have Red Caboose, they just are the exclusive provider of RC's RTR line of product, RC remains as a business, and they are still selling to their dealers and direct customers their line of RC KITS and Parts. Intermountain has no parts for Red Caboose items, and can't even supply parts for broken/missing components of the RTR cars. If red Caboose is out of parts, then you will have to be patient or lucky with us STMFC'ers.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





You might want to try intermountain, they have the red caboose now.

Mark Morgan


I finished an HO Red Caboose meat reefer not too long ago and one of the ice hatches seems to have "departed the vehicle". Would anyone have a spare hatch that you could make available? The manufacturer is out of parts. Thank you for your time!


Re: Hatch for Red Caboose Meat Reefer

Mark
 

Hello, John

You might want to try intermountain, they have the red caboose now.

Mark Morgan

--- On Tue, 7/28/09, John Golden <golden1014@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: John Golden <golden1014@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Hatch for Red Caboose Meat Reefer
To: rpm-forum@yahoogroups.com, stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 10:56 AM






 





Gentlemen,

 

I finished an HO Red Caboose meat reefer not too long ago and one of the ice hatches seems to have "departed the vehicle".  Would anyone have a spare hatch that you could make available?  The manufacturer is out of parts.  Thank you for your time!

 

John



John Golden

Bloomington, IN



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Hatch for Red Caboose Meat Reefer

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,
 
I finished an HO Red Caboose meat reefer not too long ago and one of the ice hatches seems to have "departed the vehicle".  Would anyone have a spare hatch that you could make available?  The manufacturer is out of parts.  Thank you for your time!
 
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


Re: Freight cars owned are not employed in Interstate Commerce

Ross McLeod <cdnrailmarine@...>
 

Dennis - I am sure you are right, likely uniquely Canadian and maybe only one sided.
By that I mean the other carriers (cnx's) may or may not have gone along with the BCE in their acceptance of old BCE cars in freight interswitching movements.
 
The BC Electric in 1926 showed in their ORER listing, 3 CNR interchanges, 3 CPR, 1 Milw, 3 GN and 1 NP interchange all in BC.
 
While the BCE was also operating CPR's VLI branch under lease, this part of their operation was never known as the BCE, it retained its VLI identity.
 
I doubt we will ever determine if in fact the cnx's accepted this business, interesting as a operations possibity for someone basement railway.
 
Ross McLeod Calgary


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Re: New HO scale USRA hopper?

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Storzek

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> wrote:

I doubt showing an existing model in an ad counts as "stealing intellectual
property". Copying it and producing it as their own, yes. Showing it with
a label indicating that what you'll buy won't look the same, no.
Kurt,

I'm not complaining . . .


----- Original Message -----

I know, Dennis. I was responding to the post following yours.

KL


Re: New HO scale USRA hopper?

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> wrote:

I doubt showing an existing model in an ad counts as "stealing intellectual
property". Copying it and producing it as their own, yes. Showing it with
a label indicating that what you'll buy won't look the same, no.
Kurt,

I'm not complaining. It's not unusual for manufacturers to use other products to mock-up for ad photos, I've done it myself, once using one of my old resin kits, other times using kit moldings from predecessor companies where we now owned the tooling. Unlike some other manufacturers, whose mock-ups looked better than their production run, I always took great pains to not show something other than what you were going to get. I often joke about writing an April Fools Day article on how to add molded on grabs to a car scratchbuilt from Evergreen styrene, because I've done it... but unfortunately, in the rush to meet a deadline, never took any pictures.

I bring this up because the Ertl affair was simply laughable; we had people on various lists waxing eloquently about the detail on the new Ertl boxcar, and correctly claiming the prototype was a NYC boxcar, only to have the actual product model the URSA DS car, with far coarser detail and huge grab irons. Separate, but huge.

Could happen again. The fact that MTH took great pains to not show our handbrake or Enterprise hardware means they don't want you to see them... for whatever reason. And, other kit producers who tried separate wire grabs on hoppers found that you simply can't core two intersecting .013" holes through a .040" square corner post and have things hold together... something's gotta give. So, we'll see.

I'm surprised that no one has ever done what I did with hopper grabs when I was looking at ways to improve the state of the art when designing our 70 ton triple; that is, grind an X-acto blade to clear the side sill, reach inside the body, and scrape the the molded on grabs thinner from the back. It doesn't take very long to do a car, and while it doesn't help with the grabs molded onto the body, it does eliminate the "bookshelf" look of the open ladders.

I'll be interested to see the model MTH actually produces. Meanwhile, we're still at $12.98 per kit.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Re: New HO Scale USRA Hopper

Alan Palmer <rrgeekdev@...>
 

I second that motion. I need some NYC ones for my Rutland line.

Alan


On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Richard Murray<murrayclan03@yahoo.com> wrote:
I wish Accurail would produce the USRA 70Ton coal car. I think for the price, Accurail has some of the best freight cars out there. I started out back in the 1980's scraping off moulded on ladders and hand grabs. Since I still like to build kits, paint and decal, Accurail is the 21st Century version of the old Athearn blue box kits. Some how this sounds like we are back where we started. And yes, I build resin kits once in awhile. Dennis, please think about producing the USRA 70Ton coal car. Some of us NYC types really need quite a few.  Dick Murray



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Re: New HO Scale USRA Hopper

Richard Murray
 

I wish Accurail would produce the USRA 70Ton coal car. I think for the price, Accurail has some of the best freight cars out there. I started out back in the 1980's scraping off moulded on ladders and hand grabs. Since I still like to build kits, paint and decal, Accurail is the 21st Century version of the old Athearn blue box kits. Some how this sounds like we are back where we started. And yes, I build resin kits once in awhile. Dennis, please think about producing the USRA 70Ton coal car. Some of us NYC types really need quite a few. Dick Murray


Re: New HO scale USRA hopper?

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

I doubt showing an existing model in an ad counts as "stealing intellectual property". Copying it and producing it as their own, yes. Showing it with a label indicating that what you'll buy won't look the same, no.

It's interesting that Ertl was mentioned. In the 90's they produced injection molded kits of some large and exotic USAF bombers that had only appeared as vacuum formed kits about 15 years earlier. If you know about vac kits they generally have soft/non-existant details, while the injection kits were quite nice. Apparently they bought some of the vac kits and built them up to take around to trade shows (as "Coming Soon!!") and even photographed them for the new kit's boxes when the test shots were delayed. On two separate occasions I picked up the Ertl kit at the hobby shop, but after looking at the rather mushy airplane shown in the box photos, decided it wasn't a great kit and put it down without buying it. Talking to others over the years I've run into a number of folks who did the same thing, and were amazed to see the fine kit inside when it was finally purchased. Clearly an advantage in making your first impression your best.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor

It's pretty ironic too when you consider that MTH collected
millions and millions from Lionel (and brought down the mighty
Samhongsa) for stealing MTH's intellectual property...

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