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Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I have an assembled Central Hobby Supply?, F&C anyway, B&O wagon top covered hopper I really have no use for. If you're interested contact me off list please.
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Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Stan Kistler's Santa Fe Book-- Great Northern Iron Ore Cars Visit California

ATSF1226
 

The mining in the Missabe mines is somewhat seasonal because of the weather, the lakes freeze up. Maybe because of the war they are hauling ore to Kaiser mill or they could be lease cars so they are not setting unemployed all winter. The Missabe railroad leased some of it's big steam power during the winters. There are also pictures in Chard Walkers Cajon Pass book of GN Ore cars in Santa Fe trains.

George A Walls

Interesting. I think the early 1950's was when many of the Missabe
mines were starting to play out, since taconite had not yet come into
production. So there may have been an excess of ore cars up there.
And SP didn't get their 100 ton ore gondolas until 1958, IIRC. I'd
love to see a shot of GN ore cars on Beaumont Hill behind a 4-10-2!

Tim O'Connor


At 8/10/2009 02:00 PM Monday, you wrote:
I received my copy of the wonderfully well done Stan Kistler's Santa Fe in Black and White and there on pages 100-101 is a picture of 3 Fairbanks-Morse 1600 HP road switchers in San Bernardino, CA leaving for the Kaiser Steel mill with about 27 Great Northern iron ore cars on Dec 16, 1951. I assume the Korean War needs had something to do with this assignment!


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


Re: Stan Kistler's Santa Fe Book-- Great Northern Iron Ore Cars Visit California

Tim O'Connor
 

Interesting. I think the early 1950's was when many of the Missabe
mines were starting to play out, since taconite had not yet come into
production. So there may have been an excess of ore cars up there.
And SP didn't get their 100 ton ore gondolas until 1958, IIRC. I'd
love to see a shot of GN ore cars on Beaumont Hill behind a 4-10-2!

Tim O'Connor

At 8/10/2009 02:00 PM Monday, you wrote:
I received my copy of the wonderfully well done Stan Kistler's Santa Fe in Black and White and there on pages 100-101 is a picture of 3 Fairbanks-Morse 1600 HP road switchers in San Bernardino, CA leaving for the Kaiser Steel mill with about 27 Great Northern iron ore cars on Dec 16, 1951. I assume the Korean War needs had something to do with this assignment!


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


Re: DL&W Wartime composite USRA hoppers

MDelvec952
 

Richard is correct here about the general arrangment drawings and reality. Too, the GA-drawings were generally only good for as-built cars about the time that drawing was published.

In the case of these rebuilds, photos show that many types of cars got the wooden sides and additional braces, and at the same time trucks were replaced or swapped as needed, sometimes only on one end.? Some photos of these show them with one t-section sideframe and the other an Andrews, Gould or ASF.

Other details and improvements were?also made;?power brakes were most often Ajax, but sometimes the as-built equipment stayed in place.

It's always best to work from a photo. In photos from the 1950s, these composite hoppers most often?show up in steam coal service, around the?engine terminal at Hoboken since photography there was easier than at other terminals. ?After WWII, some cars were rebuilt with steel, with additional horizontal and vertical stiffening -- no diagonals -- making for some very odd-looking two-pocket coal hoppers.

???????????????????? ....Mike Del Vecchio

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: DL&W Wartime composite USRA hoppers






On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Gene Deimling wrote:

Lou
The Lackawanna diagram book dated 1953 shows that they were
converting to AB brakes and Ajax brake wheels at the date of
publication. The trucks were listed as a USS pattern which appears
to be similar to the AAR double truss design. I have seen it
described in other sources as a Gould sideframe. Maybe someone
else on the list can clear up this description.
Gene, RR diagram books were often more confusing than helpful
regarding trucks. The RRs typically ordered side frames, bolsters,
and other truck parts separately, and the diagram for a particular
car might show the side frames as "Gould #456" or perhaps just "Gould
cast steel." In such cases, you really have to look at photos to
determine what type of side frame it was.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: DL&W Wartime composite USRA hoppers

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Gene Deimling wrote:

Lou
The Lackawanna diagram book dated 1953 shows that they were
converting to AB brakes and Ajax brake wheels at the date of
publication. The trucks were listed as a USS pattern which appears
to be similar to the AAR double truss design. I have seen it
described in other sources as a Gould sideframe. Maybe someone
else on the list can clear up this description.
Gene, RR diagram books were often more confusing than helpful
regarding trucks. The RRs typically ordered side frames, bolsters,
and other truck parts separately, and the diagram for a particular
car might show the side frames as "Gould #456" or perhaps just "Gould
cast steel." In such cases, you really have to look at photos to
determine what type of side frame it was.

Richard Hendrickson


Stan Kistler's Santa Fe Book-- Great Northern Iron Ore Cars Visit California

gary laakso
 

I received my copy of the wonderfully well done Stan Kistler's Santa Fe in Black and White and there on pages 100-101 is a picture of 3 Fairbanks-Morse 1600 HP road switchers in San Bernardino, CA leaving for the Kaiser Steel mill with about 27 Great Northern iron ore cars on Dec 16, 1951. I assume the Korean War needs had something to do with this assignment!


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


Re: Atlas rebuilt USRA box cars

Charlie Vlk
 

Tony-

I wouldn't have "outed" him if he wasn't previously public with his procivities.
I might add that, while most of us "in the Industry" have our pet roads we do have to have our business hats on when making project recommendations
.... no sense in promoting a favorite prototype if it isn't going to sell enough units to help the company meet payroll.

Charlie Vlk


Charlie Vlk wrote:
> The main culprit would be Nolan Null.

Nolan freely admitted his Burlington enthusiasm.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

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Re: DL&W Wartime composite USRA hoppers

Gene Deimling <losgatos48@...>
 

Lou
The Lackawanna diagram book dated 1953 shows that they were converting to AB brakes and Ajax brake wheels at the date of publication. The trucks were listed as a USS pattern which appears to be similar to the AAR double truss design. I have seen it described in other sources as a Gould sideframe. Maybe someone else on the list can clear up this description.

Gene Deimling

--- In STMFC@..., "Louis C. Whiteley" <octoraro1@...> wrote:

On page 279 of Karig's "Coal Cars" is a photo of DL&W #81688. This USRA hopper was repaired with four panels of wood and steel diagonals in 1944. The 1953 ORER lists one other car with the same reduced 1840 cubic capacity, #81572. I haven't checked my 1948 ORER for other cars.

Can anyone provide additional information about these cars, i.e. AB brake system, power handbrake mechanism, trucks, etc.?

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ


Re: Did Sunshine Offer a CB&Q 45 foot flat car?

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Pending approval, I've posted a photo in my "Andy S freight cars" album showing the Sunshine CB&Q 91000-series flat along with a Santa Fe class Ft-V car. -- Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@...
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Re: Is this one of those army flats?

Greg Martin
 

Schuyler,

Yes, built in the 50's by Magor.

Greg Martin

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Books for sale

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

Group,
I have decided to sell my collection of "Statistics of Railways in the United States". These were published by the ICC and have been discussed previously on this list. I have the 1936, 1938, 1942, 1944, 1946, and 1949 editions. I am asking $25 each. Shipping will be actual cost. Please reply off-list to heninger@... if interested. Thanks.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Atlas rebuilt USRA box cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:
The main culprit would be Nolan Null.
Nolan freely admitted his Burlington enthusiasm.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Atlas rebuilt USRA box cars

Charlie Vlk
 

I am, but can't be blamed or credited for the Life-Like or Walthers Proto2000.... while I've done a little consulting work for them, none of it has been on anything for the CB&Q.
The main culprit would be Nolan Null.
I am, however, will unashamedly stand behind some projects past, present and future that have my CB&Q fingerprints all over them at Kato, Broadway Limited, DeLuxe Innovations, and a few more former employers and clients!!!
Charlie Vlk





Gene, it may just been a happy coincidence that your information
was useful to Atlas. In the past, many of their model choices have
been entirely idiosyncratically made based on the tastes of the
people there. Paul Graf actually wrote once either on r.m.r. or
another forum that he was simply interested in northeastern U.S.
railroads so the models had to serve that interest. (I think his
statement was in connection with the choice of a "unique to the
Reading" wide-vision cupola International caboose, which has been
decorated in well over 100 foobie paint schemes by now.)

Which is not to pick on Atlas. I think more than person noticed
that Proto2000 tended to choose Burlington prototypes out of all
proportion to the size of that railroad. (Isn't Charlie Vik a
CB&Q fan?) :-)

Tim O

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Re: L&HR zinc ore car kits

Jerry Dziedzic
 

Well, I don't think Sparrow Point or Bethlehem Car Works were involved, but that doesn't answer your question. Shortline would be happy to sell you some. I'll forward your inquiry to Tom Callan at Shortline.

Let me know if you have additional questions about the car. (I have six in service on my layout.)


Jerry Dziedzic
Pattenburg, NJ

--- In STMFC@..., "Jeff Sankus" <jffmail@...> wrote:

All;
I have been told that Sparrow point (Bethlehem Car works) developed a resin kit for the CNJ/L&HR zinc ore cars. These kits were supposedly sold by Shortline Products. I've done a search on both sites as well as the internet as a whole but, nothing has shown up.
I do have e-mail requests to both companies asking same.
Does anyone on here have any information?

Thank you....Jeff Sankus


Re: DL&W Wartime composite USRA hoppers

Jerry Dziedzic
 

Lou, check back issues of ELHS' "The Diamond." Jim Harr covered these cars in a recent Modeler's Workbench. Sorry I can't provide a more specific reference, but my files aren't convenient to me.

Jerry Dziedzic
Pattenburg, NJ

--- In STMFC@..., "Louis C. Whiteley" <octoraro1@...> wrote:

On page 279 of Karig's "Coal Cars" is a photo of DL&W #81688. This USRA hopper was repaired with four panels of wood and steel diagonals in 1944. The 1953 ORER lists one other car with the same reduced 1840 cubic capacity, #81572. I haven't checked my 1948 ORER for other cars.

Can anyone provide additional information about these cars, i.e. AB brake system, power handbrake mechanism, trucks, etc.?

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ


Re: Fw: More Jason Klocke photos

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Oops! added the wrong address I guess...Sorry.
Clark Propst


Fw: More Jason Klocke photos

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

This photo has a feature seldom if ever modeled. The 'ditch within a ditch' cause by the erosion from rain water to the convert under the field entrance
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Fw: More Jason Klocke photos

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

This photo has a painted backdrop behind the oat/hay field..probably hay in 65..he's kept the horizon low.There's no fencing on the posts, but you don't notice. There are the purple and yellow wild flowers so prevalent this time of year. You can't have a CGW layout without flinger stars.

The track crossing the county road in the foreground is the branchline to Osage Iowa it comes off the McIntire wye. The train in the upper portion of the photo is on the main coming out of staging and headed for McIntire on the other side of the wye.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


DL&W Wartime composite USRA hoppers

Louis C. Whiteley <octoraro1@...>
 

On page 279 of Karig's "Coal Cars" is a photo of DL&W #81688. This USRA hopper was repaired with four panels of wood and steel diagonals in 1944. The 1953 ORER lists one other car with the same reduced 1840 cubic capacity, #81572. I haven't checked my 1948 ORER for other cars.

Can anyone provide additional information about these cars, i.e. AB brake system, power handbrake mechanism, trucks, etc.?

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ


Decals Available

davidchriswilson <davidchriswilson@...>
 

Group,
I have posted a catalog of HO scale decals I have available in the files section.

Specifically:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Decals/

There are 2 sets for steam era freight cars:

Union Railroad H5 Hopper Cars
Union Railroad Cabooses

The rest in the catalog are for PRR steam locomotives & Steel railroad steam locomotives.

Contact me off list for any inquiries.


Thanks,

Dave Wilson

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