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FYI: Star Brand paint is not Accupaint

Tim O'Connor
 

Although P-B-L's Star Brand paint is very similar in most
respects, I've just discovered why it isn't the same -- I
have two bottles that I found turned into a thick gel! I had
never opened those two particular bottles. This is impossible
with Accupaint. If you leave an AP bottle open to the air it
will dry up, leaving only the pigment -- adding back thinner
and a couple drops of retarder will bring it back like new.
The Star gel is hopelessly gooey -- like what can happen with
Scalecoat.

We all know Star Brand needs to be thinned 50% before using
(and says so in the instructions) but there must be something
else in it that makes it different than AP.

Tim O'Connor


Bill Welch contact me

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Bill,
Please contact me offline.

Mike Brock


Re: New Lackawanna box car models available

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote: in part:

The Erie Lackawanna Historical Society has worked closely with Intermountain to produce a unique
model, exclusive with the ELHS. It is a combination of sides, ends and roof which has not been
previously produced, and exactly matches the prototype.

These are steam era freight cars, built in January and February 1950.
As nice as it will be for many to have these cars available I suspect the 1950 built date will be a bit of a stretch for most of
us who are seriously "steam era". With the exception of the Central Vermont most of the larger steam power on other New England roads was gone by that point. While the effort is commended I hope earlier prototypes will be forthcoming too.

Don Valentine


Re: Accucals

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Thanks, Greg and John. But have you used Solvaset on Accucals?

Schuyler,

Before switching to Microsol and Microset some time ago I used Solvaset on Accucals quite frequently. If memory serves, toward the
end of that use I ran into a bottle that seemed stronger than those used previously and promptly cut it. I have, however, spoken with George Bishop in recent months and will try to raise the question
directly with him and advise further.

Best wishes, Don Valentine


Re: Accucals

Andrew Miller <aslmmiller@...>
 

Solvaset is much stronger than MircoScale's decal setting stuff. In fact Solvaset on Microscale decals will destroy them. When I was out of Microscale stuff I had success dissolving Solvaset in water 1:1.

regards,

Andy Miller

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accucals


Schuyler,

Have you tried Solvaset? I switch between Solvaset and Champ Decal
solution. I have had no luck with the Micro Scale two solution system...

Greg Martin


In a message dated 8/11/2009 8:11:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
schuyler.larrabee@... writes:

So, SMP is out of business, and the setting solution for Accucals isn't
available from that source.

In the past, I tried using Champ's Decal-Set, but that was not as
effective as the Accucal solution.
I've not tried the Microsol/Microset solutions on Accucals.

I have a substantial stock of Accucals that are not duplicated by anybody
else's products.

Advice?

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

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Re: CCX Carbon Black Car

Ed Hawkins
 

On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:51 AM, atsfsd26 wrote:

Would someone be kind enough to provide the ORER data for Columbian
Carbon CCX #218-307, please.
This group of cars should be listed in ORERs from 1948 - 1956, and
maybe others.
I want to make decals for these cars, and while I have a photo for
placement of the lettering, I can't read much of the data.
Thanks in advance
Dave North
Dave,
Your question is simple enough, but the answer is more complicated
because the cars were built in 6 different groups having different
build dates and being lettered in significantly different ways.

One series of 20 cars (288-307) was built 10-47 with relatively plain
lettering. All of the others were built between 1937 and 1941 with some
of them originally built with SCNX reporting marks. The SCNX cars were
all transferred to CCX by 1942. The CCX cars in series 263-287 (two
groups built 12-40 and 10-41) had original lettering that was more
involved with "Micronex Beads" and other stencils. I have a decent
print of an AC&F builder's photo of CCX 304 that I can use to help with
your decal project. Please contact me off list (hawk0621@...)
and we can discuss further.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


CCX Carbon Black Car

atsfsd26 <davenorth@...>
 

Would someone be kind enough to provide the ORER data for Columbian Carbon CCX #218-307, please.
This group of cars should be listed in ORERs from 1948 - 1956, and maybe others.
I want to make decals for these cars, and while I have a photo for placement of the lettering, I can't read much of the data.
Thanks in advance
Dave North


Re: Accucals

asychis@...
 

Any idea what these solutions are, chemically? If I understand correctly,
many are mixtures of various alcohols and water. For example, Solvaset is a
mixture of methoxy-1-propanol and methoxy-2-propanol. I don't know if those
two are in any common products, but isopropanol sure is (rubbing alcohol).
Point is, it may be possible to concoct an equivalent.

There's a definite smell of vinegar in these solutions too. I wonder if
something like acetic acid is also a component.

Jerry Michels


Re: Accucals

tmolsen@...
 

Solveset is great for applying decals, but when first opening a NEW bottle, DO NOT APPLY at FULL STRENGTH! I found that out the hard way and one mistake was enough as it likes to wipe out decals. Dipping the brush into a little water will tone done the strength of the solution and you won't have problems with it.

A buddy of mine was applying decals to a Precision Scale Milk Car and there where two milk bottles on each side of the car, one at each end of the side. These were two part dcecals: 1st the white bottle shape and 2nd, the bottle outline and text on the bottle as an overlay. The car was complete with the exception of the bottle decals. He applied the bottle decals and was putting on the overlays. He ran out of Solveset after putting on the 3rd overlay, so he opened a new bottle. Well, he forgot how strong Solveset was and used it straight from the bottle to put the last overlay on. These were thin film decals. Once applied, the decal just shriveled up and died. To this day, he has not been able to locate a replacement set of those decals as they were custom-made for Precision Scale and they did not have any left.

Otherwise, Solveset used properly is just great for all applications of decals. Like any solvent, you have to be careful in it's use.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re: Accucals

Tim O'Connor
 

Whatever works with Microscale decals should work with Accucals.
Many of the Accucals were printed by Microscale. My own experience
is that Champ and Solvaset are strong solutions -- I only use them
after the decal is "set" in place. The Microsale solutions I use
for initial softening, because they are weak and have a longer
working time. I can't tell the difference between them after a
couple hundred times.

Tim O

Schuyler,
Have you tried Solvaset? I switch between Solvaset and Champ Decal
solution. I have had no luck with the Micro Scale two solution system...
Greg Martin


Re: Accucals

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Schuyler,
 
              Stick with the Solvaset, amd you won't have issues. Micor-Sol 2 part system is best on old, thick decals.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Tue, 8/11/09, Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Accucals
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 11:10 PM


 



So, SMP is out of business, and the setting solution for Accucals isn't available from that source.

In the past, I tried using Champ's Decal-Set, but that was not as effective as the Accucal solution.
I've not tried the Microsol/Microset solutions on Accucals.

I have a substantial stock of Accucals that are not duplicated by anybody else's products.

Advice?

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

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Re: Accucals

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Greg and John. But have you used Solvaset on Accucals?

SGL

I have used Solvaset for many years and like the way it works and the finished product. I am
experimenting with Micro
Sol again, but so far I haven't seen an improvement over Solvaset. Just my personal experience.

John Stokes
Bellevue, WA

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From: tgregmrtn@... <mailto:tgregmrtn%40aol.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:20:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accucals

Schuyler,

Have you tried Solvaset? I switch between Solvaset and Champ Decal

solution. I have had no luck with the Micro Scale two solution system...

Greg Martin

In a message dated 8/11/2009 8:11:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

schuyler.larrabee@... <mailto:schuyler.larrabee%40verizon.net> writes:

So, SMP is out of business, and the setting solution for Accucals isn't

available from that source.

In the past, I tried using Champ's Decal-Set, but that was not as

effective as the Accucal solution.

I've not tried the Microsol/Microset solutions on Accucals.

I have a substantial stock of Accucals that are not duplicated by anybody

else's products.

Advice?

SGL

La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

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New Lackawanna box car models available

Schuyler Larrabee
 

The Erie Lackawanna Historical Society has worked closely with Intermountain to produce a unique
model, exclusive with the ELHS. It is a combination of sides, ends and roof which has not been
previously produced, and exactly matches the prototype.

These are steam era freight cars, built in January and February 1950. The repack date is 8/55, but
that is easily weathered and replaced. The cars are assembled models. The ELHS worked very hard to
get the lettering on these models as correct as we can, working especially the distinctive "Phoebe
Snow" lettering.

If you go to www.erielack.org these cars are on the website's front page, and you can order on
line. I have a pair, and can attest that they are very well done. Note that we will be producing
another series based on this same molding, which will be available later this year, and will have a
different lettering arrangement.

I should mention that I am not entirely disinterested in these models, as I am a member of the ELHS
Board. These cars will serve to support out publishing efforts.

I appreciate Mike Brock's permission for this mildly commercial post. Thanks Mike.

SGL
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Re: Accucals

Stokes John
 

I have used Solvaset for many years and like the way it works and the finished product. I am experimenting with Micro Sol again, but so far I haven't seen an improvement over Solvaset. Just my personal experience.

John Stokes
Bellevue, WA

To: STMFC@...
From: tgregmrtn@...
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:20:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accucals





















Schuyler,



Have you tried Solvaset? I switch between Solvaset and Champ Decal

solution. I have had no luck with the Micro Scale two solution system...



Greg Martin





In a message dated 8/11/2009 8:11:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

schuyler.larrabee@... writes:



So, SMP is out of business, and the setting solution for Accucals isn't

available from that source.



In the past, I tried using Champ's Decal-Set, but that was not as

effective as the Accucal solution.

I've not tried the Microsol/Microset solutions on Accucals.



I have a substantial stock of Accucals that are not duplicated by anybody

else's products.



Advice?



SGL

La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!



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Re: Accucals

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Any idea what these solutions are, chemically?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. (chemist)

Not a clue.

Thanks.

SGL





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Re: Accucals

al_brown03
 

Any idea what these solutions are, chemically? If I understand correctly, many are mixtures of various alcohols and water. For example, Solvaset is a mixture of methoxy-1-propanol and methoxy-2-propanol. I don't know if those two are in any common products, but isopropanol sure is (rubbing alcohol). Point is, it may be possible to concoct an equivalent.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. (chemist)

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

So, SMP is out of business, and the setting solution for Accucals isn't available from that source.

In the past, I tried using Champ's Decal-Set, but that was not as effective as the Accucal solution.
I've not tried the Microsol/Microset solutions on Accucals.

I have a substantial stock of Accucals that are not duplicated by anybody else's products.

Advice?

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!







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Accucals

Schuyler Larrabee
 

So, SMP is out of business, and the setting solution for Accucals isn't available from that source.

In the past, I tried using Champ's Decal-Set, but that was not as effective as the Accucal solution.
I've not tried the Microsol/Microset solutions on Accucals.

I have a substantial stock of Accucals that are not duplicated by anybody else's products.

Advice?

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!







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Re: Prototype Modelers Meet ~ Rails by the River ~ Salem, OR ~ PNW

Greg Martin
 

It's time to remind you all to pre-register as we are over a week away
from the Rails by the River Prototype Modelers Meet!

SPREAD THE WORD!

Date: Friday August 21st 3 p.m. until 9 P.M..

Saturday August 22nd, 2009 8 a.m. until 5 p.m.

Location: Salem, OR

Center 50+
2615 Portland Rd
Salem, OR 97301

Contact / Send Your Registration to

Greg Martin/Rails by the River
1523 Corum Court NW
Salem, OR 97304 (503) 581-4758 cell (503) 930-4916
_tgregmrtn@... (mailto:tgregmrtn@...)
_www.railsbytheriver.com_ (http://www.railsbytheriver.com/)

Registration:

Pre-registration for both days is $25.00 by August 15th, 2009 or $30.00 at
the door.

Saturday only: $20.00

Registration will begin at 3:00 P. M. Friday and 8:00 A. M. Saturday
morning.

We Welcome all Scales All Eras All Interest and All Skill levels are
Welcome

Display you finished models as well as works in progress. BRING YOUR
MODELS

Look for Historical Societies to be present as well as selected Vendors
and Manufacturers

There will be a raffle from the contributions of some of our sponsors.

Locomotives ~ Freight Cars ~ Structures ~ Dioramas ~ Passenger Cars ~
Class 1 ~ Narrow Gauge ~ Vehicles

Operating FREE-MO Layout

Clinics and Prototype Presentations Scheduled Friday evening and Saturday.

Model Hobbyist e-zine will be on hand and you can meet Joe Fugate.

Red Lion
3301 Market Street NE
Salem, OR 97301 (503) 370-7888 (2.5 miles from the Center 50+)


The Red Lion has provided a special rate in place for travelers needing a
room at $75.00 per night if you mention "Rails by the River" if booked by
August 15, 2009. We are competing with the Oregon State Fair so book early.


Re: Erie 65000 series fifty-foot auto box car

Eric Hansmann
 

Thank you for the Apex running board and Ajax hand brake detail. A black ladder on the B end only. Hmm. That is interesting.

I intend to finish this model in a pre-1950 service condition. Possibly with a 1948 reweigh date.

Eric



Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Starting over in a new house:
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:

The original Erie 65000-65099 series, built by AC&F 4-5/41 with end
doors, had Ajax hand brakes & Apex running boards & brake steps. In
case this might apply to you, sometime after Jan. 1952 the cars were
renumbered with 64 assigned to 66500-66581 (DF Loaders) and 34 assigned
to 62200-62233 (front axle loading). The renumbering occurred sometime
after 1/52 and was still in process in April 1955. Depending on your
modeling period, the renumbering may come into play, and if so ORER
data between these dates could be useful.

According to the AC&F bill of materials, when built the sides & ends
were painted DuPont Tuffcoat Brown. Underframes, trucks, brake parts,
and "B" end ladders were black. (I know, the latter seems strange.)
White stencils. The builder's photo of 65039 clearly shows the running
board, brake step, and roof wasn't painted.

Another series of Erie 50' auto cars, 66000-66099, built 12-41 having
Dreadnaught Ends were painted the same way except that the ends were
black. New Erie box cars built during the 1930s through 1950s normally
had their ends coated with black car cement. The 65000-series may have
been an exception because of the end doors, but that's just speculation
on my part.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Accucals

Greg Martin
 

Schuyler,

Have you tried Solvaset? I switch between Solvaset and Champ Decal
solution. I have had no luck with the Micro Scale two solution system...

Greg Martin

In a message dated 8/11/2009 8:11:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
schuyler.larrabee@... writes:




So, SMP is out of business, and the setting solution for Accucals isn't
available from that source.

In the past, I tried using Champ's Decal-Set, but that was not as
effective as the Accucal solution.
I've not tried the Microsol/Microset solutions on Accucals.

I have a substantial stock of Accucals that are not duplicated by anybody
else's products.

Advice?

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

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