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Re: Cutting styrene sheet into narrow strips...
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Kurt Laughlin wrote:
(IIRC, really hard things like ceramics can't be cut because of surface fracturing or something.)That can happen, but the biggest reason is when the ceramic is harder than the cutting tool. That just won't work <g>. The real issue is whether the material to be cut is brittle or not. Very hard materials which are tough, like high-alloy steels, are perfectly cuttable without fracture problems--provided of course that the cutter is harder than the cuttee. As it were. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Cutting styrene sheet into narrow strips...
Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
Have you considered bending this from .005 brass sheet, using a photoetch bending tool like this:
http://ausfwerks.com//techniques/FB/main.html http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/tnt1/101-200/tnt143_PE-bending-tool_Tan/tnt143.htm KL
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Re: Cutting styrene sheet into narrow strips...
Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
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From: soolinehistory I actually had some samples of Evergreen sheet cut on a waterjet, and all I can say is, it ain't pretty. Waterjets are used to cut hard materials. Styrene isn't that hard, and just kind of shreds. ----- Original Message ----- Harder materials can be cut (*), but they are not the exclusive application for WJC. Diapers, fabric blanks for clothing, foam, and carpet (Did you ever see an intricate logo or emblem in the lobby of a hotel or business?) are among the many "soft" things it is used for. (IIRC, really hard things like ceramics can't be cut because of surface fracturing or something.) KL
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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs
SUVCWORR@...
Dan,
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It is hit or miss.? Take a look at the latest offerings.? Cars where the orders were due July 24th have no info.? The current new model -- rebuilt USRA has some but not all dates.? Specifically build dates or re-build dates are missing for re-paints of the re-builds.? While it is true they have been more forthcoming with tank car info it is still missing for the most recent tank offerings. Rich Orr
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From: riverman_vt <riverman_vt@yahoo.com> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:18 pm Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototype info from model mfgs --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote: In part: not all of their freight cars on their website but not on the box labels. Correct me if I'm wrong here but it strikes me that Atlas has been doing this on their website for some years now but simply have not gone back and provided the info for those cars offered prior to their doing so. This first became apparent to me with their 11,000 gal. LPG cars. The first run was made prior to their providing such information on their website but it is available for every run produced since. Is this not correct? Take care, Don Valentine ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Cutting styrene sheet into narrow strips...
Dennis Storzek
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, VINCE PUGLIESE <gigitreosei@...> wrote:
I actually had some samples of Evergreen sheet cut on a waterjet, and all I can say is, it ain't pretty. Waterjets are used to cut hard materials. Styrene isn't that hard, and just kind of shreds. Anyone who is familiar with horizontal milling machines, and the concept of mounting multiple slitting saws and spacers on the arbor should have a pretty good picture of how Evergreen makes both patterend sheets and strips. Dennis
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Re: Cutting styrene sheet into narrow strips...
VINCE PUGLIESE
Folks...
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I stand corrected. I spoke with Evergreen and they do not use water jet technology. However the approach they do use is proprietary. .vp
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From: spsalso <Edwardsutorik@aol.com> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Cutting styrene sheet into narrow strips... To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Received: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 8:44 PM --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, VINCE PUGLIESE <gigitreosei@ ...> wrote: For the record, I am fairly certain Evergreen uses waterjet technology to produce their strip material. I just checked the edges of some Evergreen strips from .010 to .250 and found tooth marks on all of them. Ed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Salt
Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
From painful personal experience (aching back, unholy brews of stinging salt and sweat running first into the eyes, then coursing down one's arms and legs; an atmosphere of stifling humidity promoted by salt's hydroscopic nature), I can attest to this is how much salt was routinely shipped: standard boxcars, usually SS or DS wood -but also wood reefers- that were at the ends of their lives. Wood cars lasted a relatively longer time in salt service. For steel cars, it was a short death march.
I cannot attest to whether or not "grain doors" (or similar) were ever used, but the salt cars that I had to deal with were simply filled with loose salt to either side of the doors. I also cannot attest as to how the cars were filled (in the '50s), but they were unloaded with coal scoops wielded by unhappy laborers from the very most bottom dregs of the pecking order. Denny Denny S. Anspach MD Okoboji, IA
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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs
riverman_vt <riverman_vt@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:
In part:
Correct me if I'm wrong here but it strikes me that Atlas has been doing this on their website for some years now but simply have not gone back and provided the info for those cars offered prior to their doing so. This first became apparent to me with their 11,000 gal. LPG cars. The first run was made prior to their providing such information on their website but it is available for every run produced since. Is this not correct? Take care, Don Valentine
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freight car kit discounts
ed_mines
Anyone know somewhere which discounts Atlas 1932 box cars?
Has F&C recently been offering 2 for one at shows? Any of the other resin manufacturers having sales? Ed
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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs
Charlie Vlk
No, the manufactuers do not have all the information that some modelers would like to have (for example, the first instance of a paint scheme being applied and the last car in service to carry the paint scheme).
Often times a manufacturer is working off of one photo of a car. Some artwork is prepared by people that have an interest in and some knowledge of the prototype and Model Railroading, but many are done by commecial artists that create an artwork to the best of their skill and ability who have little personal interest in the subject beyond the job. Some art is dead accurate for the car depicted.... I make a practice of doing correct lettering for all data that I can see in photos... but some cars come through with fairly generic lettering when it gets down to the small data. The data for in-service cars and even cars when new will vary between cars (new date, repack / repaint dates and locations) but often it is not possible or practical to have dead accurate details down to the last nth for multiple roadnumbers of the same paint scheme... only the car numbers will be changed. If someone is interested in limiting their purchases to cars that have reweigh and other data suitable for a narrow time frame, they can certainly do some modeling and restencil the cars. Maybe it should have been called Modeling Railroads instead of Model Railroading! I would imagine that between the various on-line vendors, eBay, and other online sources one can probably come up with images of most items that have been produced. Given today's small batch production that allows for the great variety of continous new products I don't see any advantage for a manufacturer to try to maintain a encycopedia of all past products.... they are primarily interested in moving their new product into the distribution pipeline.... the wholesalers and retailers get a discount off of MSRP to move the product off of their shelves. Where does the notion that manufacturers should provide research on their products end? Should it be required to provide a useage history of each car so that a person doesn't purchase a car that did not ever show up on the rails of the road that they model? Most manufacturers do show a reasonably sharp image (either online or in their advertisements) of the product when it is announced. I don't see any reason a manufacturer would include or post a two page brochure of fine print disclaimers similar to drugs about each car or locomotive they make....giving all sorts of reasons why a product should not be purchased by a very small segment of the market. The internet can be used to do one's own research.... it isn't just for posting requests or the desire for it to be done by others!!! If one is going to limit their scope to a particular time range it is incumbant on that individual to do the research to figure out what that entails, not the manufacturers! Charlie Vlk Railroad Model Resources
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Re: Cutting styrene sheet into narrow strips...
ed_mines
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "stevelucas3" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:
I made a tool that uses a pair of razor blades (steel backing removed first) with a .020" styrene spacer between them. A 2" long piece of 1" wide by .032" thick brass strip, with three holes drilled in it to hold 4-40 screws, serves as the handle. Steve, why don't you try using 2 - #11 X-Acto blades with a spacer as a scriber or even better use 2 - #11 surgical blades (much sharper). These blades are pretty rigid. Ed
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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs
Mark
I have found interest in this topic. One of our LHS stocks Branchline. I have bought at least a dozen and built half. He has not restocked these but there is still a fifty footer selection and a few reefers.
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He knocks off a little and always asks how they are to build. Mark Morgan
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From: SUVCWORR@aol.com <SUVCWORR@aol.com> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Prototype info from model mfgs To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 11:28 AM If I don't have the car, I can't answer the question easily.? That does not mean I cannot get the information or don't have it from previously stocking the car. As to why the information is not readily available from most manufacturers, in my opinion it is the fear of lost sales and that those who blindly buy cars etc will become educated to the correct P/L and car details for the era they model..? As Bruce stated his LHS will order but won't take back a car that is out of era for him.? The sale is the sale and final.? I prefer to not alienate a customer by such action which may be why I am a very small dealer and have found that providing such information more often than not results in a sale that I otherwise would not have made.? If the dates matter, the sale is not going to be made if there is doubt about the era of the car.? Even with that mistakes do occur regarding exactly when a paint scheme changed etc. This seems to be wandering away from the purpose of this list so I will stop here rather than risk jail. Rich -----Original Message----- From: bierglaeser <bierglaeser@ yahoo.com> To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:35 am Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototype info from model mfgs Rich, How do you answer the question if you don't have the car in stock? The nearest decent hobby shop doesn't carry very much Branchline stock so am I to be restricted to choosing only among the items he stocks? Bruce, 100 miles?!?! That's local. Try 275 miles to the dealer mentioned in the above paragraph. Bruce, I agree with you. If Al can do it, they all can. There's no point in keeping that information secret. I suppose for many, perhaps most, modelers the information is important. Maybe they don't even know what it means but for a few of us, it matters. Gene Green --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@... > wrote: On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:14 AM, SUVCWORR@... wrote: Gene, I answer these questions from customers all the time.? So you should be able to ask your dealer before buying. Rich Orr Dealer? What dealer? I live more than 100 miles from the nearest hobby shop that knows anything about or carries Branchline. Yes, my local USA Hobbies will order them for me (at full price plus the 8% local sales tax) but he doesn't give refunds based on paint schemes or reweigh dates not being appropriate for my era. As I have noted before, if Al Westerfield can provide an accurate timeline for each car in an on-line web format, I'm baffled as to why others find it apparently so difficult. Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed. auburn.edu/ index.pl/ bruce_f._ smith2 "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>____ _________ ___\__/__ _ ____________ _________ _________ __ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__ ||__||__| |__||__|| __|| |/__________ _________ _________ _\|_|____ _________ _________ _________ _| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs
SUVCWORR@...
If I don't have the car, I
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can't answer the question easily.? That does not mean I cannot get the information or don't have it from previously stocking the car. As to why the information is not readily available from most manufacturers, in my opinion it is the fear of lost sales and that those who blindly buy cars etc will become educated to the correct P/L and car details for the era they model..? As Bruce stated his LHS will order but won't take back a car that is out of era for him.? The sale is the sale and final.? I prefer to not alienate a customer by such action which may be why I am a very small dealer and have found that providing such information more often than not results in a sale that I otherwise would not have made.? If the dates matter, the sale is not going to be made if there is doubt about the era of the car.? Even with that mistakes do occur regarding exactly when a paint scheme changed etc. This seems to be wandering away from the purpose of this list so I will stop here rather than risk jail. Rich
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From: bierglaeser <bierglaeser@yahoo.com> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:35 am Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototype info from model mfgs Rich, How do you answer the question if you don't have the car in stock? The nearest decent hobby shop doesn't carry very much Branchline stock so am I to be restricted to choosing only among the items he stocks? Bruce, 100 miles?!?! That's local. Try 275 miles to the dealer mentioned in the above paragraph. Bruce, I agree with you. If Al can do it, they all can. There's no point in keeping that information secret. I suppose for many, perhaps most, modelers the information is important. Maybe they don't even know what it means but for a few of us, it matters. Gene Green --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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Re: GPEX 977 and 969 Milk reefers in freight service for Ever Sweet OJ
Dennis Storzek
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "riverman_vt" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:
The 8,000 gal cars were 52 ft. in length while the 6,000 gal. cars were only 40 ft. The quickest way to tell is to look at the side panels. On the 6,000 gal. cars there are three matching body panels centered in the total of seven on either side of the doors. On the 8,000 gal. cars that number increases to four matching panels out of the total of eight. If you are satisfied with the InterMountain car'sDidn't I just post a link to one of these cars in a museum recently? I suspect that GPEX 1021 is an 8000 gal. car, the photos show "leased to Fleischmann" stenciling, but I don't know the date or location of that service. http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi?freight=General+American+Pfaudler+Corp.=1021 Dennis
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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs
bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
Oops! I meant to say, "I suppose for many, perhaps most, modelers the information is UNimportant."
Obviously I need another cup of coffee. Gene Green
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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs
bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
Rich,
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How do you answer the question if you don't have the car in stock? The nearest decent hobby shop doesn't carry very much Branchline stock so am I to be restricted to choosing only among the items he stocks? Bruce, 100 miles?!?! That's local. Try 275 miles to the dealer mentioned in the above paragraph. Bruce, I agree with you. If Al can do it, they all can. There's no point in keeping that information secret. I suppose for many, perhaps most, modelers the information is important. Maybe they don't even know what it means but for a few of us, it matters. Gene Green
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Re: GPEX 977 and 969 Milk reefers in freight service for Ever Sweet OJ
riverman_vt <riverman_vt@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "salemoryga" <wpmccoy@...> wrote:
Hello agan Bill and all, Yes, both the Hood and Whiting OJ shipments from Florida were direct to Boston. The processing plants of both dairies were immediately adjacent to different parts of the B&M large group of yards in the Charlestown, Cambridge and East Somerville area. The 8,000 gal cars were 52 ft. in length while the 6,000 gal. cars were only 40 ft. The quickest way to tell is to look at the side panels. On the 6,000 gal. cars there are three matching body panels centered in the total of seven on either side of the doors. On the 8,000 gal. cars that number increases to four matching panels out of the total of eight. If you are satisfied with the InterMountain car's well documented shortcomings I suppose you could always get two and sacrifice one to get the needed panels or, more economically, get three and sacrifice one to get two of the needed 52 ft. length. The EverSweet cars, as you noted, can be modified from Walthers cars. Don't forget to remove the boltheads on the ends and sides from the ice bunkers of the express reefer version that Walthers did not remove when offerng the car with only a different roof for a "milk car" version. You suggest the addition of "normal" freight car nomenclature to the EverSweet cars. This does not appear at all in the two "as shopped and repainted" photos taken for the record that I have. In the case of Whiting, while I am well aware of their having brought OJ from Florida to Boston in such cars the specific cars have never been identified. The Hood cars are another matter. Whiting gave up on their milk tank cars, both owned and leased, over a dozen years earlier than Hood, the last known user of such cars for either milk or OJ transport, Hood not ending such movements until August 1972 as best we can determine. None of the cars remaining in use at that time ever received any additional lettering other then the "Push or shove to rest" at the ends of the car sides mentioned previously. There was no lettering added to denote which cars were for OJ service and which were not either. The BOL would provide the info. As to the lack of freight car nomenclature I suspect it was not required becasue the cars were always in dedicated route service rather than free roamers. In milk service the Hood cars were limited to operating over a maximum of eight railroads and the Whiting cars six. In OJ service I suspect it was not many more and therein is probably the reason none of the Hood or Whiting cars in OJ service are known to have acquired standard freight car data lettering. As noted, I am unaware of such lettering being applied to either of the two EverSweet cars and would like to see photos of same if they can be found. I will see what I can do with prints for you of the two photos I have of them but would suggest you query me privately in a three weeks or so to see where I'm at with that. I'm sure nothing will occur for at least the next two. You will need Borden's GPEX 950 as well. Take care, Don Valentine
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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs
On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:14 AM, SUVCWORR@aol.com wrote:
Dealer? What dealer? I live more than 100 miles from the nearest hobby shop that knows anything about or carries Branchline. Yes, my local USA Hobbies will order them for me (at full price plus the 8% local sales tax) but he doesn't give refunds based on paint schemes or reweigh dates not being appropriate for my era. As I have noted before, if Al Westerfield can provide an accurate timeline for each car in an on-line web format, I'm baffled as to why others find it apparently so difficult. Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2 "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs
SUVCWORR@...
Tim,
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Can and will are two different animals.? The information is on the Branchline boxes so I see no reason why any Branchline dealer should not be able to answer these questions.? Also, if asked I do open other manufacturers' boxes and provide the build and re-weigh dates if readable.? Now if I don't have the particular item in stock then I can't answer the question. Also, to give credit where due, Atlas does list the paint dates of some but not all of their freight cars on their website but not on the box labels. Rich Orr
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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:13 am Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototype info from model mfgs Rich, you're joking, right? Surely you jest. You may be the ONLY dealer who can answer those questions. Tim O'Connor Gene,ask your dealer before buying. I worded my message as well as I might have. what one wants. far away from a decent hobby shop. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs
Rich, you're joking, right? Surely you jest. You may be the
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ONLY dealer who can answer those questions. Tim O'Connor
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