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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs

Mark
 

I have found interest in this topic. One of our LHS stocks Branchline. I have bought at least a dozen and built half. He has not restocked these but there is still a fifty footer selection and a few reefers.
He knocks off a little and always asks how they are to build.

Mark Morgan

--- On Mon, 8/24/09, SUVCWORR@... <SUVCWORR@...> wrote:

From: SUVCWORR@... <SUVCWORR@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Prototype info from model mfgs
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 11:28 AM






 











If I don't have the car, I

can't answer the question easily.? That does not mean I cannot get the

information or don't have it from previously stocking the car.



As to why the information is not readily available from most

manufacturers, in my opinion it is the fear of lost sales and that those who blindly

buy cars etc will become educated to the correct P/L and car details

for the era they model..? As Bruce stated his LHS will order but won't

take back a car that is out of era for him.? The sale is the sale and

final.? I prefer to not alienate a customer by such action which may be

why I am a very small dealer and have found that providing such

information more often than not results in a sale that I otherwise

would not have made.? If the dates matter, the sale is not going to be

made if there is doubt about the era of the car.? Even with that

mistakes do occur regarding exactly when a paint scheme changed etc.



This seems to be wandering away from the purpose of this list so I will stop here rather than risk jail.



Rich



-----Original Message-----

From: bierglaeser <bierglaeser@ yahoo.com>

To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:35 am

Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototype info from model mfgs



Rich,

How do you answer the question if you don't have the car in stock? The nearest

decent hobby shop doesn't carry very much Branchline stock so am I to be

restricted to choosing only among the items he stocks?



Bruce,

100 miles?!?! That's local. Try 275 miles to the dealer mentioned in the above

paragraph.



Bruce, I agree with you. If Al can do it, they all can. There's no point in

keeping that information secret. I suppose for many, perhaps most, modelers the

information is important. Maybe they don't even know what it means but for a

few of us, it matters.



Gene Green



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@... > wrote:

On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:14 AM, SUVCWORR@... wrote:
Gene,
I answer these questions from customers all the time.? So you
should be able to ask your dealer before buying.
Rich Orr
Dealer? What dealer? I live more than 100 miles from the nearest
hobby shop that knows anything about or carries Branchline. Yes, my
local USA Hobbies will order them for me (at full price plus the 8%
local sales tax) but he doesn't give refunds based on paint schemes
or reweigh dates not being appropriate for my era. As I have noted
before, if Al Westerfield can provide an accurate timeline for each
car in an on-line web format, I'm baffled as to why others find it
apparently so difficult.
Regards
Bruce
Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs

SUVCWORR@...
 

If I don't have the car, I
can't answer the question easily.? That does not mean I cannot get the
information or don't have it from previously stocking the car.



As to why the information is not readily available from most
manufacturers, in my opinion it is the fear of lost sales and that those who blindly
buy cars etc will become educated to the correct P/L and car details
for the era they model..? As Bruce stated his LHS will order but won't
take back a car that is out of era for him.? The sale is the sale and
final.? I prefer to not alienate a customer by such action which may be
why I am a very small dealer and have found that providing such
information more often than not results in a sale that I otherwise
would not have made.? If the dates matter, the sale is not going to be
made if there is doubt about the era of the car.? Even with that
mistakes do occur regarding exactly when a paint scheme changed etc.

This seems to be wandering away from the purpose of this list so I will stop here rather than risk jail.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:35 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototype info from model mfgs










Rich,
How do you answer the question if you don't have the car in stock? The nearest
decent hobby shop doesn't carry very much Branchline stock so am I to be
restricted to choosing only among the items he stocks?

Bruce,
100 miles?!?! That's local. Try 275 miles to the dealer mentioned in the above
paragraph.

Bruce, I agree with you. If Al can do it, they all can. There's no point in
keeping that information secret. I suppose for many, perhaps most, modelers the
information is important. Maybe they don't even know what it means but for a
few of us, it matters.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:14 AM, SUVCWORR@... wrote:

Gene,

I answer these questions from customers all the time.? So you
should be able to ask your dealer before buying.

Rich Orr
Dealer? What dealer? I live more than 100 miles from the nearest
hobby shop that knows anything about or carries Branchline. Yes, my
local USA Hobbies will order them for me (at full price plus the 8%
local sales tax) but he doesn't give refunds based on paint schemes
or reweigh dates not being appropriate for my era. As I have noted
before, if Al Westerfield can provide an accurate timeline for each
car in an on-line web format, I'm baffled as to why others find it
apparently so difficult.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: GPEX 977 and 969 Milk reefers in freight service for Ever Sweet OJ

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@..., "riverman_vt" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:
The 8,000 gal cars were 52 ft. in length while the 6,000 gal. cars were only 40 ft. The quickest way to tell is to look at the side panels. On the 6,000 gal. cars there are three matching body panels centered in the total of seven on either side of the doors. On the 8,000 gal. cars that number increases to four matching panels out of the total of eight. If you are satisfied with the InterMountain car's
well documented shortcomings I suppose you could always get two and sacrifice one to get the needed panels or, more economically, get three and sacrifice one to get two of the needed 52 ft. length.
Didn't I just post a link to one of these cars in a museum recently? I suspect that GPEX 1021 is an 8000 gal. car, the photos show "leased to Fleischmann" stenciling, but I don't know the date or location of that service.

http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi?freight=General+American+Pfaudler+Corp.=1021

Dennis


Re: Prototype info from model mfgs

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

Oops! I meant to say, "I suppose for many, perhaps most, modelers the information is UNimportant."

Obviously I need another cup of coffee.

Gene Green


Re: Prototype info from model mfgs

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

Rich,
How do you answer the question if you don't have the car in stock? The nearest decent hobby shop doesn't carry very much Branchline stock so am I to be restricted to choosing only among the items he stocks?

Bruce,
100 miles?!?! That's local. Try 275 miles to the dealer mentioned in the above paragraph.

Bruce, I agree with you. If Al can do it, they all can. There's no point in keeping that information secret. I suppose for many, perhaps most, modelers the information is important. Maybe they don't even know what it means but for a few of us, it matters.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:14 AM, SUVCWORR@... wrote:

Gene,

I answer these questions from customers all the time.? So you
should be able to ask your dealer before buying.

Rich Orr
Dealer? What dealer? I live more than 100 miles from the nearest
hobby shop that knows anything about or carries Branchline. Yes, my
local USA Hobbies will order them for me (at full price plus the 8%
local sales tax) but he doesn't give refunds based on paint schemes
or reweigh dates not being appropriate for my era. As I have noted
before, if Al Westerfield can provide an accurate timeline for each
car in an on-line web format, I'm baffled as to why others find it
apparently so difficult.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
__
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Re: GPEX 977 and 969 Milk reefers in freight service for Ever Sweet OJ

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., "salemoryga" <wpmccoy@...> wrote:

Don, Thanks for the info on the Hood and Whiting moves. Were these moves to Boston? I'm certain you're correct that this was OJ not concentrate. I know the IM cars have their short comings but were the 6000 and 8000 gal. cars externally the same?. Unfortiunately they seem to be the only show in town except for brass renditions of these cars. Also did these cars in addition to the juice service stenciling, get full freight car capacity and load limit data like the Ever Sweet cars did? I gather the other graphics stayed the same as is on the IM cars. Did they have their passenger service appliances removed early in their freight service or was that near the end? Was this OJ service going during the 50s' and 60s?

RE Seminole Milk, we discussed this on the Milk Car Yahoo group a couple of years back. This was apparently a short lived one car operation that was transloaded as the processor was a mile ot two from the nearest possible unloading spot at Jacksonville Terminal Station. I see Athearn/Roundhouse offered this model on one of their MDT milk reefers (wrong car unfortunately).

I would very much like to get copies of your Ever Sweet photos. Maybe you can have them scanned. We can discuss further off line. Stan Rydarowicz offers resin reefer doors so I may be able to find something to replace the incorrect door when I see him in Naperville if I can get the correct demensions. Athearn seems to have gotten the paint right on their renditions of GPEX 977 and 969. Too bad it's on such a poor model.
Hello agan Bill and all,

Yes, both the Hood and Whiting OJ shipments from Florida were direct to Boston. The processing plants of both dairies were immediately adjacent to different parts of the B&M large group of yards in the Charlestown, Cambridge and East Somerville area.
The 8,000 gal cars were 52 ft. in length while the 6,000 gal. cars were only 40 ft. The quickest way to tell is to look at the side panels. On the 6,000 gal. cars there are three matching body panels centered in the total of seven on either side of the doors. On the 8,000 gal. cars that number increases to four matching panels out of the total of eight. If you are satisfied with the InterMountain car's
well documented shortcomings I suppose you could always get two and sacrifice one to get the needed panels or, more economically, get three and sacrifice one to get two of the needed 52 ft. length. The EverSweet cars, as you noted, can be modified from Walthers cars.
Don't forget to remove the boltheads on the ends and sides from the ice bunkers of the express reefer version that Walthers did not remove when offerng the car with only a different roof for a "milk car" version.

You suggest the addition of "normal" freight car nomenclature to the EverSweet cars. This does not appear at all in the two "as shopped and repainted" photos taken for the record that I have. In the case of Whiting, while I am well aware of their having brought OJ from Florida to Boston in such cars the specific cars have never been identified. The Hood cars are another matter. Whiting gave up on their milk tank cars, both owned and leased, over a dozen years earlier than Hood, the last known user of such cars for either milk or OJ transport, Hood not ending such movements until August 1972 as best we can determine. None of the cars remaining in use at that time ever received any additional lettering other then the "Push or shove to rest" at the ends of the car sides mentioned previously. There was no lettering added to denote which cars were for OJ service and which were not either. The BOL would provide the info. As to the lack of freight car nomenclature I suspect it was not required becasue the cars were always in dedicated route service rather than free roamers.
In milk service the Hood cars were limited to operating over a maximum of eight railroads and the Whiting cars six. In OJ service I suspect it was not many more and therein is probably the reason none of the Hood or Whiting cars in OJ service are known to have acquired
standard freight car data lettering. As noted, I am unaware of such lettering being applied to either of the two EverSweet cars and would like to see photos of same if they can be found. I will see what I can do with prints for you of the two photos I have of them but would suggest you query me privately in a three weeks or so to see where I'm at with that. I'm sure nothing will occur for at least the next two. You will need Borden's GPEX 950 as well.

Take care, Don Valentine


Re: Prototype info from model mfgs

Bruce Smith
 

On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:14 AM, SUVCWORR@... wrote:





Gene,

I answer these questions from customers all the time.? So you should be able to ask your dealer before buying.

Rich Orr
Dealer? What dealer? I live more than 100 miles from the nearest hobby shop that knows anything about or carries Branchline. Yes, my local USA Hobbies will order them for me (at full price plus the 8% local sales tax) but he doesn't give refunds based on paint schemes or reweigh dates not being appropriate for my era. As I have noted before, if Al Westerfield can provide an accurate timeline for each car in an on-line web format, I'm baffled as to why others find it apparently so difficult.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs

SUVCWORR@...
 

Tim,

Can and will are two different animals.? The information is on the Branchline boxes so I see no reason why any Branchline dealer should not be able to answer these questions.? Also, if asked I do open other manufacturers' boxes and provide the build and re-weigh dates if readable.? Now if I don't have the particular item in stock then I can't answer the question.

Also, to give credit where due, Atlas does list the paint dates of some but not all of their freight cars on their website but not on the box labels.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:13 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototype info from model mfgs











Rich, you're joking, right? Surely you jest. You may be the
ONLY dealer who can answer those questions.

Tim O'Connor



Gene,

I answer these questions from customers all the time.? So you should be able to
ask your dealer before buying.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2009 8:32 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototype info from model mfgs

Brian and Rich,
Yes, I know the information is (and has been) on the box label. I don't think
I
worded my message as well as I might have.

In order to get the information from the box label one must be able to hold it
in one's hand. That means, for the most part, that one must either be in a
hobby shop that has the model of interest or, as in my case, have to buy the
model through the mail or internet, wait until it arrives and then see if it is
what one wants.

Having the information in advance is a benefit for those who, like me, are far,
far away from a decent hobby shop.

Gene Green


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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs

Tim O'Connor
 

Rich, you're joking, right? Surely you jest. You may be the
ONLY dealer who can answer those questions.

Tim O'Connor

Gene,

I answer these questions from customers all the time.? So you should be able to ask your dealer before buying.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2009 8:32 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototype info from model mfgs

Brian and Rich,
Yes, I know the information is (and has been) on the box label. I don't think I
worded my message as well as I might have.

In order to get the information from the box label one must be able to hold it
in one's hand. That means, for the most part, that one must either be in a
hobby shop that has the model of interest or, as in my case, have to buy the
model through the mail or internet, wait until it arrives and then see if it is
what one wants.

Having the information in advance is a benefit for those who, like me, are far,
far away from a decent hobby shop.

Gene Green


Re: Prototype info from model mfgs

SUVCWORR@...
 

Gene,

I answer these questions from customers all the time.? So you should be able to ask your dealer before buying.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2009 8:32 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototype info from model mfgs










Brian and Rich,
Yes, I know the information is (and has been) on the box label. I don't think I
worded my message as well as I might have.

In order to get the information from the box label one must be able to hold it
in one's hand. That means, for the most part, that one must either be in a
hobby shop that has the model of interest or, as in my case, have to buy the
model through the mail or internet, wait until it arrives and then see if it is
what one wants.

Having the information in advance is a benefit for those who, like me, are far,
far away from a decent hobby shop.

Gene Green



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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

Brian and Rich,
Yes, I know the information is (and has been) on the box label. I don't think I worded my message as well as I might have.

In order to get the information from the box label one must be able to hold it in one's hand. That means, for the most part, that one must either be in a hobby shop that has the model of interest or, as in my case, have to buy the model through the mail or internet, wait until it arrives and then see if it is what one wants.

Having the information in advance is a benefit for those who, like me, are far, far away from a decent hobby shop.

Gene Green


Re: Prototype info from model mfgs

SUVCWORR@...
 

This information have always been on the Branchline Blueprint series labels.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2009 5:01 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Prototype info from model mfgs










Branchline has joined the ranks of those manufacturers who provide dates built
as stenciled on their models. They are providing this information to dealers.
I don't know if it is available to consumers because I haven't visited their web
site in quite a while.

Here is what they have sent to dealers so far. Whether right or wrong, accurate
or inaccurate, prototypical or not, I applaud them for providing the
information. I am glad to have it. If Branchline has made mistakes tell them,
not me. I'm just a messenger.

Gene Green

BRANCHLINE BLUEPRINT SERIES All are HO scale.

# 1401 40' box car 6' door A&WP, Built 1947, Delivery Scheme
# 1410 40' box car 6' door ERIE Small Diamond, Built 1946, Delivery Scheme
# 1413 40' box car 6' door GM&O 2nd run w/turned wheels, Built 1947, Delivery
Scheme
# 1416 40' box car 6' door IC Box Car Red White 2nd run - new wheels, Built
1948, Delivery Scheme
# 1417 40' box car 6' door ITC, Built 1947, Delivery Scheme
# 1419 40' box car 6' door L&N, Built 1947/1952 repaint
# 1421 40' box car 6' door MP, Built 1950, Delivery Scheme
# 1427 40' box car 6' door NYC Green, Built 1949/1959 repaint
# 1438 40' box car 6' door AT&SF, Built
1945, Delivery Scheme, Class BX-44

# 1504 40' box car 8' door DT&I, Built 1950, Delivery Scheme
# 1506 40' box car 8' door IC, Built 1957, Delivery Scheme
# 1507 40' box car 8' door KCS, Built 1956, Delivery Scheme
# 1509 40' box car 8' door MP, Built 1956, Delivery Scheme
# 1512 40' box car 8' door PRR Circle Keystone, Built 1951, Delivery Scheme
# 1513 40' box car 8' door RDG, Built 1948, Delivery Scheme
# 1517 40' box car 8' door MEC Yellow Green lettering, Built 1948/ 1970 repaint
# 1520 40' box car 8'door RDG Green Yellow lettering, Built 1948/1970 repaint
# 1521 40' box car 8' door PRR Shadow Keystone, Built 1951/1956 repaint

# 1601 40' box car 7' door BCK, Built 1956, Delivery Scheme
# 1602 40' box car 7' door D&TS, Built 1948, Delivery Scheme
# 1603 40' box car 7' door ERIE Large Diamond, Built 1952, Delivery Scheme
# 1605 40' box car 7' door GTW, Built 1953, Delivery Scheme
# 1606 40' box car 7' door LV, Built 1950, Delivery Scheme
# 1607 40' box car 7' door NKP, Built 1946, Delivery Scheme
# 1608 40' box car 7' door PRR Circle Keystone, Built 1951, Delivery Scheme
# 1609 40' box car 7' door PRR Shadow Keystone, Built 1951/1957 repaint
# 1610 40' box car 7' door TP&W, Built 1951, Delivery Scheme
# 1611 40' box car 7' door WM Speed Lettering, Built 1951 Delivery Scheme
# 1612 40' box car 7' door WP, Built 1947-1952 repaint

BRANCHLINE YARDMASTER SERIES BOXCARS – SPECIAL EDITION All are HO scale.

# 9007 HO 40' box car GM&O GULF MOBILE &=2
0OHIO, Built 1942 /1960's Repaint
# 9015 HO 40' box car SP SOUTHERN PACIFIC, Built 1941 /1960's Repaint
# 9016 HO 40' box car MONON, Built 1942 / 1960's Repaint



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Re: Prototype info from model mfgs

Brian Carlson <brian@...>
 

Gene; They have put that information on their boxes for many years, maybe
from the beginning of the Blueprint series.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Prototype info from model mfgs

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

Branchline has joined the ranks of those manufacturers who provide dates built as stenciled on their models. They are providing this information to dealers. I don't know if it is available to consumers because I haven't visited their web site in quite a while.

Here is what they have sent to dealers so far. Whether right or wrong, accurate or inaccurate, prototypical or not, I applaud them for providing the information. I am glad to have it. If Branchline has made mistakes tell them, not me. I'm just a messenger.

Gene Green

BRANCHLINE BLUEPRINT SERIES All are HO scale.

# 1401 40' box car 6' door A&WP, Built 1947, Delivery Scheme
# 1410 40' box car 6' door ERIE Small Diamond, Built 1946, Delivery Scheme
# 1413 40' box car 6' door GM&O 2nd run w/turned wheels, Built 1947, Delivery Scheme
# 1416 40' box car 6' door IC Box Car Red White 2nd run - new wheels, Built 1948, Delivery Scheme
# 1417 40' box car 6' door ITC, Built 1947, Delivery Scheme
# 1419 40' box car 6' door L&N, Built 1947/1952 repaint
# 1421 40' box car 6' door MP, Built 1950, Delivery Scheme
# 1427 40' box car 6' door NYC Green, Built 1949/1959 repaint
# 1438 40' box car 6' door AT&SF, Built 1945, Delivery Scheme, Class BX-44

# 1504 40' box car 8' door DT&I, Built 1950, Delivery Scheme
# 1506 40' box car 8' door IC, Built 1957, Delivery Scheme
# 1507 40' box car 8' door KCS, Built 1956, Delivery Scheme
# 1509 40' box car 8' door MP, Built 1956, Delivery Scheme
# 1512 40' box car 8' door PRR Circle Keystone, Built 1951, Delivery Scheme
# 1513 40' box car 8' door RDG, Built 1948, Delivery Scheme
# 1517 40' box car 8' door MEC Yellow Green lettering, Built 1948/ 1970 repaint
# 1520 40' box car 8'door RDG Green Yellow lettering, Built 1948/1970 repaint
# 1521 40' box car 8' door PRR Shadow Keystone, Built 1951/1956 repaint

# 1601 40' box car 7' door BCK, Built 1956, Delivery Scheme
# 1602 40' box car 7' door D&TS, Built 1948, Delivery Scheme
# 1603 40' box car 7' door ERIE Large Diamond, Built 1952, Delivery Scheme
# 1605 40' box car 7' door GTW, Built 1953, Delivery Scheme
# 1606 40' box car 7' door LV, Built 1950, Delivery Scheme
# 1607 40' box car 7' door NKP, Built 1946, Delivery Scheme
# 1608 40' box car 7' door PRR Circle Keystone, Built 1951, Delivery Scheme
# 1609 40' box car 7' door PRR Shadow Keystone, Built 1951/1957 repaint
# 1610 40' box car 7' door TP&W, Built 1951, Delivery Scheme
# 1611 40' box car 7' door WM Speed Lettering, Built 1951 Delivery Scheme
# 1612 40' box car 7' door WP, Built 1947-1952 repaint

BRANCHLINE YARDMASTER SERIES BOXCARS – SPECIAL EDITION All are HO scale.

# 9007 HO 40' box car GM&O GULF MOBILE & OHIO, Built 1942 /1960's Repaint
# 9015 HO 40' box car SP SOUTHERN PACIFIC, Built 1941 /1960's Repaint
# 9016 HO 40' box car MONON, Built 1942 / 1960's Repaint


Re: Cutting styrene sheet into narrow strips...

spsalso
 

--- In STMFC@..., VINCE PUGLIESE <gigitreosei@...> wrote:

For the record, I am fairly certain Evergreen uses waterjet technology to
produce their strip material.
I just checked the edges of some Evergreen strips from .010 to .250 and found tooth marks on all of them.

Ed


Re: Cutting styrene sheet into narrow strips...

VINCE PUGLIESE
 

For the record, I am fairly certain Evergreen uses waterjet technology to
produce their strip material.

.vp

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, stevelucas3 <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

From: stevelucas3 <stevelucas3@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Cutting styrene sheet into narrow strips...
To: STMFC@...
Received: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 1:45 PM






 





Jerry--



Thanks to you and everyone that suggested ways to do this.



I made a tool that uses a pair of razor blades (steel backing removed first) with a .020" styrene spacer between them. A 2" long piece of 1" wide by .032" thick brass strip, with three holes drilled in it to hold 4-40 screws, serves as the handle.



The blades and shim are assembled, the screws pushed through them and into the holes drilled in the handle. A 1/4" nut driver is used to tighten the nuts, and we have our tool.



I draw the tips of the blade at about a 30-degree angle along a steel straightedge across a sheet of .005" styrene, and can produce approximate .050" wide strips.



I tried making a similar tool without the spacer for .030" wide strips, but found that the blades flex too much for consistent width strips. Maybe a backing piece on the exposed side of the blades would help prevent blade flexing. But Evergreen makes .010" x .030" strips--I'll can live with the overthickness of these strips as the outside member of the Z's.



I had experimented with using a Fiskars "Eurpoean rotary paper trimmer"



http://www.fiskars. com/CA/en/ Crafts/Product+ Detail9596. html



for these strips, but found that paper strips of this width were hard to cut consistently with this tool, so did not progress to cutting styrene with it.



BTW, they make a nice diagonal cutter that isn't too expensive, and that I use as a parts trimmer and small diameter wire cutter--



http://www.fiskars. com/CA/en/ Crafts/Product+ Detailf5b7. html



Steve Lucas.



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@. ..> wrote:

I can almost guarentee you a paper cutter will put a "twist" on the strips and it would probably be difficult to maintain consistant pieces. I would second on Andy's suggestion about the NWSL duplicutter.
Jerry Glow
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, RUTLANDRS@ wrote:
Steve,
Don't know if you can cut as small as you would like but you might try
a paper cutter.
Chuck Hladik
In a message dated 8/20/2009 7:03:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
stevelucas3@ writes:
I want to make some scale 3 1/8" high x 5" wide "Z" stock for an HO cinder
car that I am working on. But to build this up I cannot find commercial
stock that is thin enough and sometimes of the proper width to represent the
steel stock that these were formed from.
I plan to use scale 2x2 for the centre of the Z, and want to use .005" x
.050" for the bottom. The top of the Z is .005" x .030" wide stock.
Both of the .005 thick strips need to be cut from styrene sheet. But I
have trouble replicating the .030" and .050" widths uniformly. I have used a
digital vernier to scribe a reference line on the sheet, but it's hard to
have a hand-held scalpel follow this line consistently along a steel scale
rule. My efforts so far have produced strips of varying widths.
Any thoughts on how to make these strips?
Thanks in advance,
Steve Lucas.
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Re: Cutting styrene sheet into narrow strips...

stevelucas3 <stevelucas3@...>
 

Jerry--

Thanks to you and everyone that suggested ways to do this.

I made a tool that uses a pair of razor blades (steel backing removed first) with a .020" styrene spacer between them. A 2" long piece of 1" wide by .032" thick brass strip, with three holes drilled in it to hold 4-40 screws, serves as the handle.

The blades and shim are assembled, the screws pushed through them and into the holes drilled in the handle. A 1/4" nut driver is used to tighten the nuts, and we have our tool.

I draw the tips of the blade at about a 30-degree angle along a steel straightedge across a sheet of .005" styrene, and can produce approximate .050" wide strips.

I tried making a similar tool without the spacer for .030" wide strips, but found that the blades flex too much for consistent width strips. Maybe a backing piece on the exposed side of the blades would help prevent blade flexing. But Evergreen makes .010" x .030" strips--I'll can live with the overthickness of these strips as the outside member of the Z's.

I had experimented with using a Fiskars "Eurpoean rotary paper trimmer"

http://www.fiskars.com/CA/en/Crafts/Product+Detail9596.html

for these strips, but found that paper strips of this width were hard to cut consistently with this tool, so did not progress to cutting styrene with it.

BTW, they make a nice diagonal cutter that isn't too expensive, and that I use as a parts trimmer and small diameter wire cutter--

http://www.fiskars.com/CA/en/Crafts/Product+Detailf5b7.html



Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@...> wrote:

I can almost guarentee you a paper cutter will put a "twist" on the strips and it would probably be difficult to maintain consistant pieces. I would second on Andy's suggestion about the NWSL duplicutter.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., RUTLANDRS@ wrote:

Steve,
Don't know if you can cut as small as you would like but you might try
a paper cutter.
Chuck Hladik


In a message dated 8/20/2009 7:03:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
stevelucas3@ writes:




I want to make some scale 3 1/8" high x 5" wide "Z" stock for an HO cinder
car that I am working on. But to build this up I cannot find commercial
stock that is thin enough and sometimes of the proper width to represent the
steel stock that these were formed from.

I plan to use scale 2x2 for the centre of the Z, and want to use .005" x
.050" for the bottom. The top of the Z is .005" x .030" wide stock.

Both of the .005 thick strips need to be cut from styrene sheet. But I
have trouble replicating the .030" and .050" widths uniformly. I have used a
digital vernier to scribe a reference line on the sheet, but it's hard to
have a hand-held scalpel follow this line consistently along a steel scale
rule. My efforts so far have produced strips of varying widths.

Any thoughts on how to make these strips?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.







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Re: GPEX 977 and 969 Milk reefers in freight service for Ever Sweet OJ

Bill McCoy
 

Don, Thanks for the info on the Hood and Whiting moves. Were these moves to Boston? I'm certain you're correct that this was OJ not concentrate. I know the IM cars have their short comings but were the 6000 and 8000 gal. cars externally the same?. Unfortiunately they seem to be the only show in town except for brass renditions of these cars. Also did these cars in addition to the juice service stenciling, get full freight car capacity and load limit data like the Ever Sweet cars did? I gather the other graphics stayed the same as is on the IM cars. Did they have their passenger service appliances removed early in their freight service or was that near the end? Was this OJ service going during the 50s' and 60s?

RE Seminole Milk, we discussed this on the Milk Car Yahoo group a couple of years back. This was apparently a short lived one car operation that was transloaded as the processor was a mile ot two from the nearest possible unloading spot at Jacksonville Terminal Station. I see Athearn/Roundhouse offered this model on one of their MDT milk reefers (wrong car unfortunately).

I would very much like to get copies of your Ever Sweet photos. Maybe you can have them scanned. We can discuss further off line. Stan Rydarowicz offers resin reefer doors so I may be able to find something to replace the incorrect door when I see him in Naperville if I can get the correct demensions. Athearn seems to have gotten the paint right on their renditions of GPEX 977 and 969. Too bad it's on such a poor model.

Thanks for all your help.

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL

--- In STMFC@..., "riverman_vt" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Now you are tromping in my field of expertise so perhaps I can assist. I agree with the numbers and service for the two cars cited. Eversweet was not the only company to use GPEX cars in the transport
of orange juice concentrate, however, as this was also done by both
H.P. Hood & Sons and the Whiting Milk Co., both based in Boston. In Hood's case the product was moved in 52 ft. GPEX cars of the last style constructed in 1947. These were the 8,000 gal. version of the 6,000 gal. car that InterMountain made such a mess of with their model having a totally incorrect roof slope angle and, thus, improper ends as well.
In such use these cars remained in their standard GPEX Pullman Green paint with Dulux lettering denoting whomever the car was leased to.
Hood's OJ originated in Dunedin, Fl. where Hood purchased an orange juice processing plant. I do not know where Whiting acquired theirs but know it came from Florida. You also have the Seminole Milk Co. of Jacksonville that had milk tank cars of the General American type early on that might be used to justify an actual milk car that operated in Florida. I'm sorry that I can't assist with the routing of that car or a date when the service ended but, if memory serves, the processing plant was located near a major yard in Jax. From this you can see that the cars you mentioned are not the only possibilites open to you.

Returning specifically to GPEX 969 and 977 which you refer to some additonal points need to be raised. The General American "builders photos" that I have of these two cars are in reality only photos that were taken to document the paint scheme used on these two cars in OJ seervice, both both having been built in the 1920's. The photo of 977 was taken subsequent to its November 1955 servicing at General American's East Chicago facility while that of 969 was taken subsequent to its March 1960 servicing there. As you must be aware, however, these two cars were not at all painted in the same manner. The 977 was not lettered with the usual GPEX Roman style of lettering except for its reporting marks. To the left of the door the lettering stated "Scenic Citrus Corporation" over "Lyons, Illinois-Frostproof, Florida", with both states spelled out in their entirety. To the right of the door in fanciful script was a large "Eversweet" over "100% pure orange juice" in smaller lettering of the same font used for the lessees name at the left. I presume that the body of this car was painted Pullman green but am not certain of that having no color photos or lettering diagrams for the car. The "General American - Pfaudler Corporation" on the letterboard appears to be in GPEX's standard Dulux gold color and font while the remainder of the lettering on the cars' sides appears to be in white or, possibly, aluminum color. Non-standard for GPEX in any case. The 969 is altogether different in the way it was painted, again as you are probably well aware. The bottom two feet or so of the car sides have a dark band, above which the remainder of the car side is a much lighter color. White or possibly yellow or orange, I cannot tell, though orange would certainly fit with its service. But the "Scenic Citrus Corporation" had by this time become the "Eversweet Corporation" in the same lettering font used on 977 but in a contrasting dark color.
To the right of the door the fanciful "EverSweet" lettering had been reduced considerably in size, moved to the left and had what I would describe as a 1 qt. size Excello carton pouring orange juice into a glass painted on the car. To the right of the carton were the words "Fresh squeezed orange juice" in still another different lettering font. I had not given it any thought previously but wonder if what you suggest might be correct and that this car carried 100% juice rather than concentrate.

There are two points about these cars that I wonder if you have considered in using any of the available styrene models for them. First is the fact that the 969 has an ice hatch on at least the left hand side of the "A" end of the car when facing the "A" end, though the 977 does not appear to have this feature. Such an ice hatch isn't too big a job to add for an accurate model but what on earth are you going to do about the doors??? In case you had not noticed it the reefer style doors used on both of these cars had been replaced with the more narrow, single style of replacement door, initiated with GPEX 950 in April of 1944, before they entered orange juice service. To model this door accurately would require some fairly major reworking of the car sides, though it certainly could be done.

In any event, I have copies of R. Loganecker's original "builders photos" of these cars and might be able to assist if someone could be found to print them as my darkroom is down at the moment. And to keep the SMTFC police at least partially happy it should also be noted that H.P. Hood & Sons was the last known outfit to operate GPEX cars in either milk or OJ service, with both having ended in 1972. Many such cars went to the GM&O for use as water cars in work train service, while others went to museums. By the end of milk and/or OJ service, however, the passenger steam heat and air signal lines, as well as the buffers, had been removed, relegating the cars to freight service only even if a bit later than the era of this list when this was done. They also had "push or shove to rest" lettering added at the end of their carsides when used in freight service.

For anyone seriously interested in milk car and milk train information I moderate a list for same as another Yahoo group under the NAMTA heading for North American Milk Train Association. There are two milk car groups on Yahoo, teh NAMTA group and a less serious one.

Hope this helps, Don Valentine


Re: B&O Intermountain HO 70 ton Flats

boyds1949 <E27ca@...>
 

Bruce,

The B&O lettering matches the builders photos of 8400. The "B&O" and car number may be just a tiny bit small but nobody will notice unless they are holding the car next to the photo.

The wooden deck parts look like they were applied with double faced tape and were easily removed with a razor blade. A little work with a file on the bottom and the decks are now level with the bolster. Easy enough that even I could do it, and that's saying something.

John King

--- In STMFC@..., "bdg1210" <Bruce_Griffin@...> wrote:

Marty,

Jim Mischke was involved with this kit making sure the B&O stuff was accurate, so I think it will be pretty good for B&O. It is my understanding that B&O style bulkheads will be applied to a future kit. I added B&O to the subject in hopes of getting Jim to weigh in. He can fill in the details, but if we don't hear from him I will pull out an old B&O Modeler with info about the ProtoWest kit.

I am building the Protowest kit with auto/truck frames for a 1953(?) subclass that transported frames between Philly on the Reading and Baltimore. Not too useful for many modelers, but fun to build the appliances applied to the car to hold the frames.

Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Summerfield, NC

--- In STMFC@..., Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@> wrote:



Re-lettered or renumbered  . . . or both?



While we're on the subject of the IRC flats two questions -



1. Am I the only one who thinks the New Haven lettering looks a little "heavy"?

2. How accurate are the B&O cars? I thought the B&O 70-ton flats were built after the war (1948 sticks in my head) - I'm just curious if they were the same design as the cars built during the war years.





Thanks in advance.



Marty




----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Carlson" <midcentury@>
To: "Steam Era" <stmfc@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:17:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain HO 70 ton Santa Fe Flats

 




I got the following message from a good Santa Fe modeler:

Hi Andy,
The box arrived to day with no problems. Thanks. But
as usual Intermountain has screwed it up again. The Ft-V
flat is a 50 ton War Emergency car. So the cars will have to
be relettered. See why I prefer to buy kits.
It seems that IM must have placed the wrong paint scheme on their Santa Fe 70 flat cars which were just recently released.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA