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Re: C&O "For Progress"

water.kresse@...
 

It was yellow Futura Medium on brown.



Al Kresse

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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: C&O "For Progress"


There was another time marker in the C&O For Progress logo, when the line above the train went from
a wavy line indicating steam locomotive smoke, to a straight line, which came about because of
dieselization.

What was the official date for this transition?

SGL


Nevermind my question regarding Kadee not doing the C&O PS-1's
from 16000-16999 series. Ed Hawkins discussed these in Dec 2003
and it sounds like there may be a (rather esoteric) difference
in how the ends were attached to the car sides that differs in
some way from the Kadee model. Sheesh. I like the C&O cars with
yellow letters and I wish there were models available...

Tim O'Connor

40' PS-1 box cars with 8' doors #16000-17999 were delivered starting in late 1950, with yellow
lettering (sans-serif.)
(#16249 blt 12-50; #17099 blt 8-51.)

The yellow didn't hold up well, and some of these cars turn up in mid-50s photos relettered in
the standard style (white
roman) that was used before and after them.
In 1957 yellow lettering started to make a comeback.

Scott Pitzer







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Re: ORER request

proto48er
 

Frank -

I can mail you photocopies of pages from 6/1907, 6/1908 and 4/1909 if you want them - PM me a snail mail address.

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "earlyrail" <cascaderail@...> wrote:

Sent direct were images of
Dec 1911
April 1905
January 1904
April 1902
January 1901
January 1900
not listed in March 1899

Howard Garner
Pickens, SC


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Valoczy" <destron@> wrote:


Would anyone be able to provide any pre-1912 ORER listings for Imperial
Oil, Ltd.?

Thanks,

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: West India Fruit & Steamship #106 and #321

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Herson" <mherson@...> wrote:

In Classic Freight Cars the Series Vol. 3 40' Refrigerator cars page 51
there is a photo of WIF reefer 724. It is a full page photo so a lot of
detail can be seen. The caption says the car was rebuilt by FGE at their
Jacksonville shops in 1955 but please confirm this statement independently.
Accurail did this lettering scheme as a special a number of years ago, following this specific photo.

There is also a photo of WIF 314, a 40' boxcar with what appears to be an 8' door on page 43 of Classic Freight Cars Vol.1. Notable differences appear in the steamship herald, other than the fact that one is white on a FCR car and the other is black on a yellow car; the black ship on the reefer has a single stack and a pointed prow (lots of shear on the prow) while the ship painted on the boxcar has a near vertical prow, a longer superstructure, and several masts in addition to the stack. Both have the F in a diamond on the stack and say FLORIDA - HAVANNA on the hull.

Dennis


2nd Annual NE Fallen Flags RPM Meet is coming!

Ralph Heiss
 

I am pleased to officially announce the second annual Northeast Fallen Flags Railroad Prototype Modelers Meet which will take place on Saturday, October 3, 2009, at the LH Taylor Firehouse, 7 Maryland Avenue, High Bridge, NJ 08829. The hours are 9 AM until 6 PM; Admission is $20.00 at the door the day of the meet; An Italian food luncheon is included with your admission, and door prizes will be raffled during the meet.

High Bridge is easily accessible from Interstate 78, Routes 22 and 31, and County Road 513, and is not far from Routes 202, 206, 46, I-287 and I-80. While there is no Saturday service on New Jersey Transit's Raritan Valley Line to High Bridge, there is service to Somerville and/or Raritan so if you would like to take the train, please let us know so that we can try to arrange for volunteers to provide transfer service between Somerville or Raritan and High Bridge.

As with all RPM meets, the main focus of this gathering is for modelers to get together and bring any models they are working on or have finished, for display, discussion and of course, learning. In addition to the model display, clinics by well known modelers are planned on modeling topics as well as prototype information. Select vendors will be in attendance to offer their wares as well.

Scheduled Presentations Include:

Dave Goessling: Dave will present an update on his self-guided tour of the High Bridge area from last year, identifying local railroad and industrial landmarks; the station, wye, Taylor Wharton plant and railroad, etc. and is also working on the Pittstown and Musconetcong branches of the LV.

John Koenig: Modeling NY Harbor tugs in HO using the Walther's kit.

David Ramos: An update on his New York Harbor layout, and how he operates his busy HO scale layout.

Jay Held: Erie Railroad NY Harbor operations

Jerry Dziedzic: Jerry will share with us how he is rebuilding his HO scale NY&W/L&HR layout, and tell us about why he chose to build a new layout, and what he's learned in the process.

Sam Reynolds: NJ Zinc Co. operations in northeasten PA and northwestern NJ.


Scheduled Prototype Model Vendors Include –

Stella Scale Models (prototype-based structure kits in HO)

Shortline Products (Northeastern prototype RR models and parts in all scales)

Amesville Shops (Pre-1900 prototype HO scale car kits)

Speedwitch Media (Proto-specific plastic and resin HO car kits)

BEST Trains (prototype-based structure kits in HO)

Bethlehem Car Works (proto-specific car kits, parts, vehicles, etc.)

We have created a Yahoo! Group for this meet; please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neffrpm/ to sign up for the latest news. We can also be contacted at neffrpm@yahoo.com for more info.

Directions to the Firehouse will be posted on the Yahoo! site as well.

We hope to see you on October 3rd!

Jim Harr
Ralph Heiss

Northeastern Fallen Flags RPM Meet
Saturday, October, 3rd, 2009
LH Taylor Firehouse
High Bridge, NJ


Re: Bill's new contact info and FGE/WFE/BRE update

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Bill,

We haven't ever been in touch, but wanted to wish you well at your new
home in Florida, and to thank you for the excellent articles and info
you've been so generous to share with us.

It is nice to once again be near a hobby shop that
sells the paints I like to use!
My mom lives in New Port Richie, a few miles up the road from you.
So I've visited some of the hobby shops in the Tampa Bay area.

So are you thinking of H&R Trains? Or some other shop? Ever been to a shop called the 'Happy Hobo'? I plan to visit them next time I'm in the area.
Lemme know, as I'm always interested in stopping in at at well supplied
hobby shops when I get the chance.

- Claus at Hell Gate Models



-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill [mailto:fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 09:05 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Bill's new contact info and FGE/WFE/BRE update

I have moved to Florida and wanted to give anyone interested my new contact info:

2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764

727.470.9930

fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com

Regarding the book project, I continue to make progress. I have a couple of chapters underway and I am still uncovering new resources. Someone just sent me a mid-1940's 170 page publication of terifs and packing crates which I am currently scanning. The biggest bonanza was seeing the FGE files that are part of the PRR Collection at the Hagley Museum and Library near Wilmington, DE. This stretches back to 1919 up through the period I am ending with in 1957. There is also a generous amount of information on perishable traffic, including special "Perishable Schedules" produced by the Southern, ACL, SAL etc. I will be making a special trip to the Hagley in the spring of 2010 to finish exploring this resource and scanning relevant materials.

I will be doing a presentation at Napierville and hopefully at Cocao Beach on some of the interesting stories starting to emerge from my research.

Please feel free to contact me related to this FGE/WFE/BRE book project. I am not in a position to answer specific questions about cars right now but will try to help with general questions.

Many of you (to numerous to name here) have generously shared resources and contacts with me and I so greatly appreciate this. Thank you for your generosity. It has produced amazing results in some cases. Please feel free to contact me if you think you know of something that will help tell this story. Now that I am re-settled I can begin to follow up with people who have already offered but got interupted by my move.

It is nice to once again be near a hobby shop that sells the paints I like to use!

Bill Welch



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Re: West India Fruit & Steamship #106 and #321

Matt Herson
 

In Classic Freight Cars the Series Vol. 3 40' Refrigerator cars page 51
there is a photo of WIF reefer 724. It is a full page photo so a lot of
detail can be seen. The caption says the car was rebuilt by FGE at their
Jacksonville shops in 1955 but please confirm this statement independently.



Henry Maywald, author of other volumes in the Classic Freight Car Series
passed away several months ago.



Matt Herson



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lnbill
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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: West India Fruit & Steamship #106 and #321





I do believe that WIF & FGE had a relationship, but I do not know as yet at
least how far back this extended.


Bill's new contact info and FGE/WFE/BRE update

Bill Welch
 

I have moved to Florida and wanted to give anyone interested my new contact info:

2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764

727.470.9930

fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com

Regarding the book project, I continue to make progress. I have a couple of chapters underway and I am still uncovering new resources. Someone just sent me a mid-1940's 170 page publication of terifs and packing crates which I am currently scanning. The biggest bonanza was seeing the FGE files that are part of the PRR Collection at the Hagley Museum and Library near Wilmington, DE. This stretches back to 1919 up through the period I am ending with in 1957. There is also a generous amount of information on perishable traffic, including special "Perishable Schedules" produced by the Southern, ACL, SAL etc. I will be making a special trip to the Hagley in the spring of 2010 to finish exploring this resource and scanning relevant materials.

I will be doing a presentation at Napierville and hopefully at Cocao Beach on some of the interesting stories starting to emerge from my research.

Please feel free to contact me related to this FGE/WFE/BRE book project. I am not in a position to answer specific questions about cars right now but will try to help with general questions.

Many of you (to numerous to name here) have generously shared resources and contacts with me and I so greatly appreciate this. Thank you for your generosity. It has produced amazing results in some cases. Please feel free to contact me if you think you know of something that will help tell this story. Now that I am re-settled I can begin to follow up with people who have already offered but got interupted by my move.

It is nice to once again be near a hobby shop that sells the paints I like to use!

Bill Welch


Re: Sill Steps

seaboard_1966
 

Bent sill steps are one thing and there is a certain amount that they are allowed to be bent before they are shopable. Missing and broken is a whole different thing. They are shopable in either case.

Denis Blake
NS Locomotive Engineer

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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sill Steps


But Richard, look at the prototype, almost all have at least one bent sill
step.
Chuck Hladik


In a message dated 8/30/2009 11:46:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rhendrickson@opendoor.com writes:




On Aug 30, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Jim Betz wrote:

.... The best thing, of course, is to replace the plastic step with a
brass one - it is a lot stronger ... and often looks better.
Jim goes on at some length about this, and I entirely agree. Sill
steps are the most vulnerable parts on most freight car models and
plastic ones can be broken off in even a minor derailment (to say
nothing about the ham-fisted operators on many club layouts). I
recently built a kit in which the styrene steps were so fragile that
three of the four broke as I was (very carefully) removing them from
the sprue.

I use A-Line flat wire steps on almost all of my freight car models;
if none of the three available styles is correct, they can usually be
bent or tweaked to make accurate replacements for plastic steps.
I've learned a couple of quick tricks which improve the process.
First, I anneal the steps by heating them to dull red with a
resistance soldering tool and quenching them in water. They can then
be bent as needed without breaking, and that also removes the clear
coating that prevents them from tarnishing (and also tends to prevent
paint from adhering). I then blacken them with chemical blackener,
which slightly etches the metal so it takes paint very well and also
prevents the shiny metal from showing through if the paint gets
rubbed off. I drill mounting holes with a #69 drill bit; that's
slightly oversize but makes them easy to install, and they can then
be secured in place with a drop of gap-filling CA adhesive. If
needed, small bits of styrene can be cemented behind the side sills
to provide a secure mounting pad. Final adjustments are easy to
make, since the metal step is now soft, and if it's damaged later,
it's a simple matter to bend it back into shape.

Richard Hendrickson

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Re: West India Fruit & Steamship #106 and #321

Bill Welch
 

I do believe that WIF & FGE had a relationship, but I do not know as yet at least how far back this extended.

Regarding WIF 106 and cars in the same series, these were not 1923 cars. They were rather 10 foot IH cars w/Duryea originally built for the High Point Thomasville & Denton Railroad, where they numbered 20 cars in total and at some point they sold off 10 to WIF.

Steve Funaro told me he released the HPT&D cars at a couple of shows awhile back and when they did not sell, he did not cast any more. I sent him the two photos I have stenciled for WIF and color scan of the Champ decal set I have w/the round herald to encourage him to see there was larger potential but no movement so far.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rwitt_2000" <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:

Rob Kirkham wrote:

I've come across a couple of photos showing the above noted cars in
Vancouver B.C. in 1952. That's a long way for a load of bananas to come
by rail, and kind of surprising to me. So I am wondering if my
guesswork is out of whack or this trip would have been repeated over the
years. More particularly, what is the chance such movements would have
been made in 1946? I ask not because I expect someone to know what cars
travelled in those cars to Vancouver that year, but rather for a general
sense of the banana trade in these cars - did anything significant
change in the market or marketing of bananas by this company during
those 6 years that might suggest a change?

I do have records showing the produce shipped into Vancouver for 1953,
and it identifies Central America alone as the source. But is says
nothing about whether shipments were delivered via one route or multiple
routes, and so it seems possible they might have arrived by train from
an east coast Canadian port, by train from a Gulf or Atlantic coast USA
port (explaining the cars in question), or via ship at a west coast
Canadian port. I wonder if there is any information supporting any of
these alternatives to the WIF&SS service?
What type of rail cars are WIF&SS #106 and #321, box, reefer, ...?

The WIF&SS was affiliated with as Bill Welch terms them, "Our
Companies", the Fruit Growers Express Group so the cars could just be in
general produce service.

Bob Witt


Re: Blue Coal Hoppers

Malcolm H. Houck
 

What is the time period when the "blue coal" P/L was
applied to hoppers by the Anthracite roads? To which
roads and cars was it applied?


"Blue Coal" was a marketing tool used by the Glen
Alden Coal Co. of Huber, Pennsylvania. Glen Alden
was owned by the DL&W and so, if at all used on cars,
the "Blue Coal" advertising would be limited to cars
of the Lackawanna.

Some years ago Mantua made a run of triple hoppers
that were painted blue and were lettered with the "Blue
Coal" registered trademark logo and immense billboard
lettering of "Blue Coal." Aside from a misuse of a triple
hopper, the reporting marks were "RDG" and not for
DL&W. . . .

Never having seen a "Blue Coal" lettered hopper or photo
image, and suspecting further that, if used at all, it was
on but a very, very few cars and then I neither can offer
any answer to when such lettering was used.

Mal Houck


Re: Trucks for A CP slabside hopper

tmolsen@...
 

In regard to my post regarding the CP Slab Side Covered Hoppers, I failed to answer the base question which was "What type of trucks ran beneath these cars. The series covered in the publication that I cited was the next group, 380201-380250 and 380256-380227, above that which Scott had asked about.

I have compared the trucks trucks in the photo of the model and those on the cover (#s 380227 and 380256) and they are a close match to Brian Leppert's Tahoe Model Works AAR Double Truss Spring plankless 50-Ton Trucks. The prototype utilized a 70-Ton truck of similar design. I think you can get away with using the Tahoe truck (TMW-107 Double Truss AAR 50-Ton Trucks with wheelsets @$6.25 pair or TMW-207 Double Truss AAR 50-Ton Trucks, with "semi-scale” wheelsets @$6.25 pair - shameless plug for Brian!).

Intermountain makes a 70-ton truck which is almost identical to the Tahoe truck with the same side frame, but when I bought Reboxx wheel sets for it, I found that each end of the Intermountain side frame took a different axle length wheelset.

I would use the Tahoe 50-Ton AAR truck that is a MUCH better truck in comparison, because it would really really be hard to tell the difference between a 50-Ton truck and that of a 70-Ton truck in this particular case.

Hope that this helps!

Regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu

Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479


Re: Sill Steps

Charles Hladik
 

But Richard, look at the prototype, almost all have at least one bent sill
step.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 8/30/2009 11:46:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rhendrickson@opendoor.com writes:




On Aug 30, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Jim Betz wrote:

.... The best thing, of course, is to replace the plastic step with a
brass one - it is a lot stronger ... and often looks better.
Jim goes on at some length about this, and I entirely agree. Sill
steps are the most vulnerable parts on most freight car models and
plastic ones can be broken off in even a minor derailment (to say
nothing about the ham-fisted operators on many club layouts). I
recently built a kit in which the styrene steps were so fragile that
three of the four broke as I was (very carefully) removing them from
the sprue.

I use A-Line flat wire steps on almost all of my freight car models;
if none of the three available styles is correct, they can usually be
bent or tweaked to make accurate replacements for plastic steps.
I've learned a couple of quick tricks which improve the process.
First, I anneal the steps by heating them to dull red with a
resistance soldering tool and quenching them in water. They can then
be bent as needed without breaking, and that also removes the clear
coating that prevents them from tarnishing (and also tends to prevent
paint from adhering). I then blacken them with chemical blackener,
which slightly etches the metal so it takes paint very well and also
prevents the shiny metal from showing through if the paint gets
rubbed off. I drill mounting holes with a #69 drill bit; that's
slightly oversize but makes them easy to install, and they can then
be secured in place with a drop of gap-filling CA adhesive. If
needed, small bits of styrene can be cemented behind the side sills
to provide a secure mounting pad. Final adjustments are easy to
make, since the metal step is now soft, and if it's damaged later,
it's a simple matter to bend it back into shape.

Richard Hendrickson

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: CP slabside hoppers

tmolsen@...
 

Doug and Steve,

I recently bought one of the 6-Hatch CP Slab Side Covered Hoppers from Canadian Model Trains in Missaugua Canada which was put out by True-Line Trains. Car matches the pictures in Volume 7 of the Canadian Rail Car Pictorial which covers the CP Covered Hoppers.

The product number that I bought was TLT-300333. Since this part number covered the number series that I wanted, the car that I received was #380259.

The cars are sold at True-Line Trains, but may still be available through CMT. An email to them should give you some notion as to whether any are still in stock at CMT,

I have added the links for the product listing and the large photo of the car.

http://www.modeltrains.com/WEB%20-%20CMT/True%20Line%20Trains/HO/true-line-trains-canadian-pacific.htm

http://www.modeltrains.com/PICTURES/PICTURES%20-%20Non-brass-1/True%20Line%20Trains/TLT-000001-399999/TLT-CP-6H-block-2-crop%20copy.jpg

Hope that this is of some value.

Best regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: CP slabside hoppers

Doug Polinder
 

Bob Lucas asked: "Anyone know what trucks were found on CPR's smooth side covered hoppers
(CP 380000-380200)?  These were the original series with 10-hatches
built by National Steel Car in 1948.  Also, any image sources showing
the delivered paint scheme for these interesting prototype cars is
appreciated."

Bob, the August 1986 _RMC_ had an article on the prototype CP and CN slabsides.  There is an image of the 380000, but it is small and the trucks are somewhat dark.  Purportedly the September 1986 issue had an article on modeling these cars, but I do not have the issue and cannot confirm if there are any useful photos in it.  In David Hickcox' _Great Northern in Color Volume I: Lines West_, p. 37, there is a partial image in color of what appears to be CP 380294 (unfortunately not the series you are asking about), in CP's basic black with small gothic lettering dating from about 1960.  The author of the _RMC_ article does not address the source of the trucks, only the builders of the cars (some in the railroads' own shops, some NSC, some CCF).

Doug Polinder

Grand Rapids MI




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Re: Sill Steps

Lawrence Rast
 

Terrific post, Richard. Many thanks!

Lawrence Rast

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Richard
Hendrickson<rhendrickson@opendoor.com> wrote:


On Aug 30, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Jim Betz wrote:

.... The best thing, of course, is to replace the plastic step with a
brass one - it is a lot stronger ... and often looks better.
Jim goes on at some length about this, and I entirely agree. Sill
steps are the most vulnerable parts on most freight car models and
plastic ones can be broken off in even a minor derailment (to say
nothing about the ham-fisted operators on many club layouts). I
recently built a kit in which the styrene steps were so fragile that
three of the four broke as I was (very carefully) removing them from
the sprue.

I use A-Line flat wire steps on almost all of my freight car models;
if none of the three available styles is correct, they can usually be
bent or tweaked to make accurate replacements for plastic steps.
I've learned a couple of quick tricks which improve the process.
First, I anneal the steps by heating them to dull red with a
resistance soldering tool and quenching them in water. They can then
be bent as needed without breaking, and that also removes the clear
coating that prevents them from tarnishing (and also tends to prevent
paint from adhering). I then blacken them with chemical blackener,
which slightly etches the metal so it takes paint very well and also
prevents the shiny metal from showing through if the paint gets
rubbed off. I drill mounting holes with a #69 drill bit; that's
slightly oversize but makes them easy to install, and they can then
be secured in place with a drop of gap-filling CA adhesive. If
needed, small bits of styrene can be cemented behind the side sills
to provide a secure mounting pad. Final adjustments are easy to
make, since the metal step is now soft, and if it's damaged later,
it's a simple matter to bend it back into shape.

Richard Hendrickson

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Sill Steps

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 30, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Jim Betz wrote:

.... The best thing, of course, is to replace the plastic step with a
brass one - it is a lot stronger ... and often looks better.
Jim goes on at some length about this, and I entirely agree. Sill
steps are the most vulnerable parts on most freight car models and
plastic ones can be broken off in even a minor derailment (to say
nothing about the ham-fisted operators on many club layouts). I
recently built a kit in which the styrene steps were so fragile that
three of the four broke as I was (very carefully) removing them from
the sprue.

I use A-Line flat wire steps on almost all of my freight car models;
if none of the three available styles is correct, they can usually be
bent or tweaked to make accurate replacements for plastic steps.
I've learned a couple of quick tricks which improve the process.
First, I anneal the steps by heating them to dull red with a
resistance soldering tool and quenching them in water. They can then
be bent as needed without breaking, and that also removes the clear
coating that prevents them from tarnishing (and also tends to prevent
paint from adhering). I then blacken them with chemical blackener,
which slightly etches the metal so it takes paint very well and also
prevents the shiny metal from showing through if the paint gets
rubbed off. I drill mounting holes with a #69 drill bit; that's
slightly oversize but makes them easy to install, and they can then
be secured in place with a drop of gap-filling CA adhesive. If
needed, small bits of styrene can be cemented behind the side sills
to provide a secure mounting pad. Final adjustments are easy to
make, since the metal step is now soft, and if it's damaged later,
it's a simple matter to bend it back into shape.

Richard Hendrickson


WIF 106 car

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

From Bill Welch:

Regarding the WIF 106 car, this is actually one of 10 I believe came from the High Point Thomasville & Denton Railroad. These were 10 foot inside height cars with Duryea underframes.


Steve Funaro told me he offered these HPT&D cars a couple of shows within the last couple of years but withdrew them because they did not sell. I sent him scans of the two photos I have in WIF service along with a scan of the Champ decal set I have trying to get him to offer the cars as WIF. He has not advertised or offered them. Very frustrating!


WIF also had some steel rebuilds secondhand from a NE railroad I believe we will be seeing from another resin kit maker.


Bill Welch


Blue Coal Hoppers

wulantowag <SUVCWORR@...>
 

Check the archives and did not find the answer to these questions. What is the time period when the "blue coal" P/L was applied to hoppers by the Antracite roads? To which roads and cars was it applied?

TIA

Rich Orr


Re: ORER request

earlyrail
 

Sent direct were images of
Dec 1911
April 1905
January 1904
April 1902
January 1901
January 1900
not listed in March 1899

Howard Garner
Pickens, SC

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Valoczy" <destron@...> wrote:


Would anyone be able to provide any pre-1912 ORER listings for Imperial
Oil, Ltd.?

Thanks,

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: ORER request

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Frank - Send me your email address and I'll send you 1905. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Valoczy
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ORER request



Would anyone be able to provide any pre-1912 ORER listings for Imperial
Oil, Ltd.?

Thanks,

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

105441 - 105460 of 189881