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Re: West India Fruit & Steamship #106 and #321

Robert kirkham
 

I should have posted links to photos of these cars some days ago. They are on the City of Vancouver Archives, and you can find them easily by searching with using West India Fruit as a search term on the subject line. <http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/archives/webpubhtml/qbes/ws_photocombined.htm>

Rob Kirkham
Surrey, B.C.

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From: "soolinehistory" <destorzek@...>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:07 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: West India Fruit & Steamship #106 and #321

--- In STMFC@..., "Matt Herson" <mherson@...> wrote:

In Classic Freight Cars the Series Vol. 3 40' Refrigerator cars page 51
there is a photo of WIF reefer 724. It is a full page photo so a lot of
detail can be seen. The caption says the car was rebuilt by FGE at their
Jacksonville shops in 1955 but please confirm this statement independently.
Accurail did this lettering scheme as a special a number of years ago, following this specific photo.

There is also a photo of WIF 314, a 40' boxcar with what appears to be an 8' door on page 43 of Classic Freight Cars Vol.1. Notable differences appear in the steamship herald, other than the fact that one is white on a FCR car and the other is black on a yellow car; the black ship on the reefer has a single stack and a pointed prow (lots of shear on the prow) while the ship painted on the boxcar has a near vertical prow, a longer superstructure, and several masts in addition to the stack. Both have the F in a diamond on the stack and say FLORIDA - HAVANNA on the hull.

Dennis





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Decals help

roblmclear <rob.mclear2@...>
 

Hi to all

I am trying to find out wether or not decals are available for the early Swift refrigerator car schemes in the yellow, specifically for the scheme with the red/white banner logo on the right side of the car. These are the schemes that pre-date the red overall car. I am looking for a supplier in N scale, does anyone know of anything out there.

Thanks
Rob McLear
Brisbane
Australia.


Re: Blue Coal Hoppers

SUVCWORR@...
 

Yes, no information has been forthcoming regarding the prototype for these cars from Bowser.

Rich Orr

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--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:

So I assume the current crop of Blue Coal cars from Bowser on the Stewart
triple offset hopper in RDG, D&LW and D&H lettering are bogus.

I can't ever remember hearing of or seeing a D&H offset triple, much less a
prototype photo of anything that looked like this. Have you tried emailing
Bowser about the cars?

Walt Lankenau



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Re: Blue Coal Hoppers

mcindoefalls
 

--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:

So I assume the current crop of Blue Coal cars from Bowser on the Stewart triple offset hopper in RDG, D&LW and D&H lettering are bogus.
I can't ever remember hearing of or seeing a D&H offset triple, much less a prototype photo of anything that looked like this. Have you tried emailing Bowser about the cars?

Walt Lankenau


Van Iderstein Tank Car Decals - Best Model?

Bob Lucas
 

Would like to confirm if the Southern Car & Foundry single dome tank car model best represents Van Iderstein Co. cars used in tallow service. Reportedly there were nine cars total (VICX 1001-1009), all 8000 gallon CAPY with heater coils. Prototype photos and Van Iderstein history are found linked to Bill Mosteller's Great Decal Website. It appears the prototypes had five radial courses and dome hardware matching characteristics of a typical STC tank car. Also, anyone care to speculate where tallow would have been shipped from Long Island where this firm was located? Bob


Re: CP slabside hoppers

Brian Carlson <brian@...>
 

I used to see later incarnation of these near my house in Tonawanda NY in
the 80's so I know they came through the States then. were they widely
traveled in the 50's I admit I haven't seen them in many photos.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: CP slabside hoppers

stevelucas3 <stevelucas3@...>
 

I second Armand's comments about the TLT slabsides. I have four of the CN version.

http://www.modeltrains.com/PICTURES/PICTURES%20-%20Non-brass-1/True%20Line%20Trains/TLT-000001-399999/TLT-300301W-copy.jpg

Amongst the best models I've seen in RTR, the only quibble being the overly thick grab-irons. Modellers with more time thatn I can carve them off and replce them with wire ones. Just an excellent model, IMHO.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Armand Premo" <armprem2@...> wrote:

A happy owner of several TLT cars.Just superb.Better than most US models.....bar none.You won't be disappointed .Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Polinder
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CP slabside hoppers


Tom Molsen,

Thank you for those links. How about a product review? I built the Sylvan slabside a few years ago and it went together fairly nicely, except that I screwed up the horizontal plate of the B end and had to cut a new plate out of 0.010 styrene. Did you retrofit your slabside with the TMW trucks or keep the True-Line ones? Looks like all of their CP stock is sold out, although Pacific Western in Surrey BC shows quite an extensive list in stock.

Bob Lucas,

I posed some questions about the slabside to the Pacific Northwest RPM group a while back; there are some very knowledgeable people in that group who might be able to help you and point you to a photograph of 380000.

Doug Polinder

Grand Rapids MI








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Re: C&O "For Progress"

Tim O'Connor
 

To answer some of my questions, I found an 11 year old email from
Ed Hawkins from the old freight cars mailing list. This email only
discusses new car paint schemes but does not tackle the issue of
repaints (if there were any).

Tim O'Connor

====================================================================
C&O definitely was experimenting with paint schemes in the late 1950s. Paint
data from an ACF 50' box car built 10-55 (series 28250-28999) had mineral
brown sides with black ends, underframe, and trucks. Roof was unpainted
galvanized steel and lettering was white. Two series of ACF cars built in 1957
were painted black with yellow lettering. I don't have the ACF paint specs on
these two series but color photos clearly show this scheme. Refer to Northern
Pacific Color Pictorial (Vol 1) - page 12 for a photo of a 40' box car (series
19000-19499). The car shown behind a steam switcher was built by ACF in April
1957. In the relatively new C&O Color Guide (Morning Sun) book - page 28, a
photo of 50' box car 19658 (ACF 5-57) is shown in new paint (black with yellow
lettering). This car is from series 19500-19999. Both of these black/yellow
box cars have a 9' door opening.

Yet another scheme is shown in the C&O Color Guide - page 30. The car is
#27875, built ACF 9-59 from series 27750-27999. It is painted black with white
lettering and still shows the ACF builder's logo with what appears to be the
original paint scheme. The reweigh date in the photo is 6-63 and the caption
states the car was photographed in 1967. The black paint is faded to the point
of appearing dark gray. ACF paint specs were not available on this series of
cars as well. This series had a 15' door opening with the 7' & 8' doors.

I would imagine that the 50' cars will be available soon from Branchline
Trains. The 40' car will require modification with a 9' door.

During the early 1960s I have seen some C&O cars painted blue with yellow
lettering, but I am getting out of my "era" so I will let someone else discuss
the blue cars!

Ed Hawkins
=====================================================================

Carrying this C&O discussion further --

When did C&O begin to paint box cars with black paint?

I've seen photos of black cars with yellow lettering, and black cars
with white lettering.

Were the two lettering colors used at the same time on different cars,
or did some black cars get one color lettering, and then they switched
to another lettering color on black?

Were all repainted box cars painted black for a period of time, or did
only certain cars get black paint?

Were any new cars delivered in black paint? With what color letters?

Tim O'Connor


Re: Blue Coal Hoppers

Malcolm H. Houck
 

So I assume the current crop of Blue Coal cars from
Bowser on the Stewart triple offset hopper in RDG,
D&LW and D&H lettering are bogus.

Rich,

I'd surely say so! After having checked the
Bowser site I have to say that what they offer
aren't even as appealing(?) [with all lower case
billboard lettering] as the old Mantua offering!

Mal Houck


Re: C&O "For Progress"

Tim O'Connor
 

Carrying this C&O discussion further --

When did C&O begin to paint box cars with black paint?

I've seen photos of black cars with yellow lettering, and black cars
with white lettering.

Were the two lettering colors used at the same time on different cars,
or did some black cars get one color lettering, and then they switched
to another lettering color on black?

Were all repainted box cars painted black for a period of time, or did
only certain cars get black paint?

Were any new cars delivered in black paint? With what color letters?

Tim O'Connor


Re: CP slabside hoppers

Armand Premo
 

A happy owner of several TLT cars.Just superb.Better than most US models.....bar none.You won't be disappointed .Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Polinder
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CP slabside hoppers


Tom Molsen,

Thank you for those links. How about a product review? I built the Sylvan slabside a few years ago and it went together fairly nicely, except that I screwed up the horizontal plate of the B end and had to cut a new plate out of 0.010 styrene. Did you retrofit your slabside with the TMW trucks or keep the True-Line ones? Looks like all of their CP stock is sold out, although Pacific Western in Surrey BC shows quite an extensive list in stock.

Bob Lucas,

I posed some questions about the slabside to the Pacific Northwest RPM group a while back; there are some very knowledgeable people in that group who might be able to help you and point you to a photograph of 380000.

Doug Polinder

Grand Rapids MI








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Re: CP slabside hoppers

Doug Polinder
 

Tom Molsen,

Thank you for those links.  How about a product review?  I built the Sylvan slabside a few years ago and it went together fairly nicely, except that I screwed up the horizontal plate of the B end and had to cut a new plate out of 0.010 styrene.  Did you retrofit your slabside with the TMW trucks or keep the True-Line ones?  Looks like all of their CP stock is sold out, although Pacific Western in Surrey BC shows quite an extensive list in stock.

Bob Lucas,

I posed some questions about the slabside to the Pacific Northwest RPM group a while back; there are some very knowledgeable people in that group who might be able to help you and point you to a photograph of 380000.

Doug Polinder

Grand Rapids MI




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Re: Blue Coal Hoppers

SUVCWORR@...
 

Thanks Mal.

So I assume the current crop of Blue Coal cars from Bowser on the Stewart triple offset hopper in RDG, D&LW and D&H lettering are bogus.

Rich Orr

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Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 12:27 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re:Blue Coal Hoppers










What is the time period when the "blue coal" P/L was
applied to hoppers by the Anthracite roads? To which
roads and cars was it applied?


"Blue Coal" was a marketing tool used by the Glen
Alden Coal Co. of Huber, Pennsylvania. Glen Alden
was owned by the DL&W and so, if at all used on cars,
the "Blue Coal" advertising would be limited to cars
of the Lackawanna.

Some years ago Mantua made a run of triple hoppers
that were painted blue and were lettered with the "Blue
Coal" registered trademark logo and immense billboard
lettering of "Blue Coal." Aside from a misuse of a triple
hopper, the reporting marks were "RDG" and not for
DL&W. . . .

Never having seen a "Blue Coal" lettered hopper or photo
image, and suspecting further that, if used at all, it was
on but a very, very few cars and then I neither can offer
any answer to when such lettering was used.

Mal Houck






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Re: Van Iderstein Tank Car Decals - Best Model?

Charles Hladik
 

Bob,
Probably shipped to a Proctor and Gamble soap plant in New Jersey.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 8/31/2009 10:16:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
RobertELucas@... writes:




Would like to confirm if the Southern Car & Foundry single dome tank car
model best represents Van Iderstein Co. cars used in tallow service.
Reportedly there were nine cars total (VICX 1001-1009), all 8000 gallon CAPY with
heater coils. Prototype photos and Van Iderstein history are found linked
to Bill Mosteller's Great Decal Website. It appears the prototypes had five
radial courses and dome hardware matching characteristics of a typical STC
tank car. Also, anyone care to speculate where tallow would have been
shipped from Long Island where this firm was located? Bob


Re: C&O "For Progress"

water.kresse@...
 

It was yellow Futura Medium on brown.



Al Kresse

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:28:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: C&O "For Progress"


There was another time marker in the C&O For Progress logo, when the line above the train went from
a wavy line indicating steam locomotive smoke, to a straight line, which came about because of
dieselization.

What was the official date for this transition?

SGL


Nevermind my question regarding Kadee not doing the C&O PS-1's
from 16000-16999 series. Ed Hawkins discussed these in Dec 2003
and it sounds like there may be a (rather esoteric) difference
in how the ends were attached to the car sides that differs in
some way from the Kadee model. Sheesh. I like the C&O cars with
yellow letters and I wish there were models available...

Tim O'Connor

40' PS-1 box cars with 8' doors #16000-17999 were delivered starting in late 1950, with yellow
lettering (sans-serif.)
(#16249 blt 12-50; #17099 blt 8-51.)

The yellow didn't hold up well, and some of these cars turn up in mid-50s photos relettered in
the standard style (white
roman) that was used before and after them.
In 1957 yellow lettering started to make a comeback.

Scott Pitzer







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Re: ORER request

proto48er
 

Frank -

I can mail you photocopies of pages from 6/1907, 6/1908 and 4/1909 if you want them - PM me a snail mail address.

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., "earlyrail" <cascaderail@...> wrote:

Sent direct were images of
Dec 1911
April 1905
January 1904
April 1902
January 1901
January 1900
not listed in March 1899

Howard Garner
Pickens, SC


--- In STMFC@..., "Frank Valoczy" <destron@> wrote:


Would anyone be able to provide any pre-1912 ORER listings for Imperial
Oil, Ltd.?

Thanks,

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: West India Fruit & Steamship #106 and #321

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Matt Herson" <mherson@...> wrote:

In Classic Freight Cars the Series Vol. 3 40' Refrigerator cars page 51
there is a photo of WIF reefer 724. It is a full page photo so a lot of
detail can be seen. The caption says the car was rebuilt by FGE at their
Jacksonville shops in 1955 but please confirm this statement independently.
Accurail did this lettering scheme as a special a number of years ago, following this specific photo.

There is also a photo of WIF 314, a 40' boxcar with what appears to be an 8' door on page 43 of Classic Freight Cars Vol.1. Notable differences appear in the steamship herald, other than the fact that one is white on a FCR car and the other is black on a yellow car; the black ship on the reefer has a single stack and a pointed prow (lots of shear on the prow) while the ship painted on the boxcar has a near vertical prow, a longer superstructure, and several masts in addition to the stack. Both have the F in a diamond on the stack and say FLORIDA - HAVANNA on the hull.

Dennis


2nd Annual NE Fallen Flags RPM Meet is coming!

Ralph Heiss
 

I am pleased to officially announce the second annual Northeast Fallen Flags Railroad Prototype Modelers Meet which will take place on Saturday, October 3, 2009, at the LH Taylor Firehouse, 7 Maryland Avenue, High Bridge, NJ 08829. The hours are 9 AM until 6 PM; Admission is $20.00 at the door the day of the meet; An Italian food luncheon is included with your admission, and door prizes will be raffled during the meet.

High Bridge is easily accessible from Interstate 78, Routes 22 and 31, and County Road 513, and is not far from Routes 202, 206, 46, I-287 and I-80. While there is no Saturday service on New Jersey Transit's Raritan Valley Line to High Bridge, there is service to Somerville and/or Raritan so if you would like to take the train, please let us know so that we can try to arrange for volunteers to provide transfer service between Somerville or Raritan and High Bridge.

As with all RPM meets, the main focus of this gathering is for modelers to get together and bring any models they are working on or have finished, for display, discussion and of course, learning. In addition to the model display, clinics by well known modelers are planned on modeling topics as well as prototype information. Select vendors will be in attendance to offer their wares as well.

Scheduled Presentations Include:

Dave Goessling: Dave will present an update on his self-guided tour of the High Bridge area from last year, identifying local railroad and industrial landmarks; the station, wye, Taylor Wharton plant and railroad, etc. and is also working on the Pittstown and Musconetcong branches of the LV.

John Koenig: Modeling NY Harbor tugs in HO using the Walther's kit.

David Ramos: An update on his New York Harbor layout, and how he operates his busy HO scale layout.

Jay Held: Erie Railroad NY Harbor operations

Jerry Dziedzic: Jerry will share with us how he is rebuilding his HO scale NY&W/L&HR layout, and tell us about why he chose to build a new layout, and what he's learned in the process.

Sam Reynolds: NJ Zinc Co. operations in northeasten PA and northwestern NJ.


Scheduled Prototype Model Vendors Include –

Stella Scale Models (prototype-based structure kits in HO)

Shortline Products (Northeastern prototype RR models and parts in all scales)

Amesville Shops (Pre-1900 prototype HO scale car kits)

Speedwitch Media (Proto-specific plastic and resin HO car kits)

BEST Trains (prototype-based structure kits in HO)

Bethlehem Car Works (proto-specific car kits, parts, vehicles, etc.)

We have created a Yahoo! Group for this meet; please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neffrpm/ to sign up for the latest news. We can also be contacted at neffrpm@... for more info.

Directions to the Firehouse will be posted on the Yahoo! site as well.

We hope to see you on October 3rd!

Jim Harr
Ralph Heiss

Northeastern Fallen Flags RPM Meet
Saturday, October, 3rd, 2009
LH Taylor Firehouse
High Bridge, NJ


Re: Bill's new contact info and FGE/WFE/BRE update

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Bill,

We haven't ever been in touch, but wanted to wish you well at your new
home in Florida, and to thank you for the excellent articles and info
you've been so generous to share with us.

It is nice to once again be near a hobby shop that
sells the paints I like to use!
My mom lives in New Port Richie, a few miles up the road from you.
So I've visited some of the hobby shops in the Tampa Bay area.

So are you thinking of H&R Trains? Or some other shop? Ever been to a shop called the 'Happy Hobo'? I plan to visit them next time I'm in the area.
Lemme know, as I'm always interested in stopping in at at well supplied
hobby shops when I get the chance.

- Claus at Hell Gate Models



-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill [mailto:fgexbill@...]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 09:05 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Bill's new contact info and FGE/WFE/BRE update

I have moved to Florida and wanted to give anyone interested my new contact info:

2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764

727.470.9930

fgexbill@...

Regarding the book project, I continue to make progress. I have a couple of chapters underway and I am still uncovering new resources. Someone just sent me a mid-1940's 170 page publication of terifs and packing crates which I am currently scanning. The biggest bonanza was seeing the FGE files that are part of the PRR Collection at the Hagley Museum and Library near Wilmington, DE. This stretches back to 1919 up through the period I am ending with in 1957. There is also a generous amount of information on perishable traffic, including special "Perishable Schedules" produced by the Southern, ACL, SAL etc. I will be making a special trip to the Hagley in the spring of 2010 to finish exploring this resource and scanning relevant materials.

I will be doing a presentation at Napierville and hopefully at Cocao Beach on some of the interesting stories starting to emerge from my research.

Please feel free to contact me related to this FGE/WFE/BRE book project. I am not in a position to answer specific questions about cars right now but will try to help with general questions.

Many of you (to numerous to name here) have generously shared resources and contacts with me and I so greatly appreciate this. Thank you for your generosity. It has produced amazing results in some cases. Please feel free to contact me if you think you know of something that will help tell this story. Now that I am re-settled I can begin to follow up with people who have already offered but got interupted by my move.

It is nice to once again be near a hobby shop that sells the paints I like to use!

Bill Welch



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Re: West India Fruit & Steamship #106 and #321

Matt Herson
 

In Classic Freight Cars the Series Vol. 3 40' Refrigerator cars page 51
there is a photo of WIF reefer 724. It is a full page photo so a lot of
detail can be seen. The caption says the car was rebuilt by FGE at their
Jacksonville shops in 1955 but please confirm this statement independently.



Henry Maywald, author of other volumes in the Classic Freight Car Series
passed away several months ago.



Matt Herson



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lnbill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:29 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: West India Fruit & Steamship #106 and #321





I do believe that WIF & FGE had a relationship, but I do not know as yet at
least how far back this extended.

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