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Re: NMRA BULLETINS

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Peter - You've got it wrong. They're not NMRA Bulletins, there Railway Historical Society Bulletins. If that's what you really want, let me know. - Al

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: NMRA BULLETINS




Dear Al Westerfield:
Thank you for your reply. My address is:
2838 Crestscene Trail
Raleigh, N.C. 27603

Sincerely, Peter Boylan


Re: 33 inch wheels

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

White, in "The American Railroad Freight Car" says that 33 inches "had become nearly universal in this country by about 1840." Early English imports were apparently 36 inchers, and he does not opine on why 33 became the standard.

KL


Re: 33 inch wheels

stevelucas3 <stevelucas3@...>
 

"Romanes eunt domus" from "Life of Brian", perhaps??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsawP_Ew0r4

Mandatory viewing for STMFC members that are also students of language, or have been corrected and/or admonished online. As i may be shortly.

But before that happens, a thought as to that wheel diameter question. The number 33 appears in rail lengths a hundred years ago, when rail was rolled in 33-foot lengths. Or two rods--1 rod=16'-6".

Thoughts??

Steve Lucas.





Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...> wrote:

There¹s a whole Monty Python routine there, but I am loathe to incur the
moderator¹s wrath.
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Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: roblmclear <rob.mclear2@...>
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:02:24 -0000
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: 33 inch wheels





Well Al, what did the romans ever do for us?

Rob.

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
water.kresse@ wrote:



Can we blame it on the Romans?



Al Kresse


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Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 11:33:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] 33 inch wheels

Why and when did the use of 33 inch wheels become standard on freight cars?

Lee



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Re: 33 inch wheels

water.kresse@...
 

Was the 33" wheel standardized on before the American War Between the States or Civil War?  They show up on Ensign Manufg 25-ton open freight cars.



I was hoping to hear that the Romans had standardized war supply wagons or something on a set track and diameter.  Sorry for setting this crowd off on a tangent.



Al Kresse

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From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 10:57:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: 33 inch wheels

Chuck Hladik wrote:
They gave us the "Railroad Roman" font, of course.
      As far as I've ever been able to tell, NO railroad used exactly  
these characters, at least the Champ version. Can anyone supply  
contrary evidence?
       I grant that the Champ generic Roman lettering RESEMBLES lots  
of railroad lettering.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history



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Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

Bill Welch
 

I notice that the NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car to properly narrow the car, but they offer them packaged to do four cars. As I only want to do one car, I am wondering if there is anyone on this list that has one pair they want to sell? Alternatively, are there 1-3 people who want to split up a packet?

Bill Welch
fgexbill@...


Re: 33 inch wheels

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Chuck Hladik wrote:
They gave us the "Railroad Roman" font, of course.
As far as I've ever been able to tell, NO railroad used exactly these characters, at least the Champ version. Can anyone supply contrary evidence?
I grant that the Champ generic Roman lettering RESEMBLES lots of railroad lettering.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: DL&W 53000-53259

Brian Carlson <brian@...>
 

Tim: I have that also, but from a modeling standpoint it doesn't help me
know if the trucks are double truss spring plankless, ASF A-3 ride control,
barber S-2 etc. My 1957 CBC is of no help either.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:08 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] DL&W 53000-53259

Brian

See email from Rich Burg on 8/27/2009.



Re: DL&W 53000-53259

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian

See email from Rich Burg on 8/27/2009.

At 9/7/2009 08:25 PM Monday, you wrote:
All:
I got the below from another list. Does anyone have any more information, or
know a way I can find out what type of trucks are being referred to by the
side frame pattern?

The DL&W Freight Car Classification book lists the details for these cars as
follows:

"100 cars have A.S.F. side frame pattern No. 21359-AE..."

"150 cars have Symington-Gould side frame pattern No. TF-5318..."

No mention is made whether or not a particular batch from the series got
which sideframes...

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: 33 inch wheels

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

There¹s a whole Monty Python routine there, but I am loathe to incur the
moderator¹s wrath.
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: roblmclear <rob.mclear2@...>
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:02:24 -0000
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 33 inch wheels





Well Al, what did the romans ever do for us?

Rob.

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
water.kresse@... wrote:



Can we blame it on the Romans?



Al Kresse


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Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 11:33:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] 33 inch wheels

Why and when did the use of 33 inch wheels become standard on freight cars?

Lee



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DL&W 53000-53259

Brian Carlson <brian@...>
 

All:
I got the below from another list. Does anyone have any more information, or
know a way I can find out what type of trucks are being referred to by the
side frame pattern?

The DL&W Freight Car Classification book lists the details for these cars as
follows:

"100 cars have A.S.F. side frame pattern No. 21359-AE..."

"150 cars have Symington-Gould side frame pattern No. TF-5318..."

No mention is made whether or not a particular batch from the series got
which sideframes...

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: 33 inch wheels

roblmclear <rob.mclear2@...>
 

Well Al, what did the romans ever do for us?

Rob.

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:



Can we blame it on the Romans?



Al Kresse


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Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 11:33:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] 33 inch wheels

Why and when did the use of 33 inch wheels become standard on freight cars?

Lee



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Great Northern 34'-4" coal & ore car, Series 180371-180766

gary laakso
 

I am working on the Funaro & Camerlengo version of this car (its from the 1995 AW Enterprises urethane kit of this car) and noticed that it omits the 40 rivets on the side sill wood beam shown in the book Great Northern Lines East book at page 184. Plus, both versions of the kits omitted the outside airline. Eyeballing the that picture, it appears that the Arch Decals size .014 rivets are the closest in size. It looks like the air brake pipe holders can be the odd round head part used for holding the grab iron on the end walks. I have not located any area to hold any weight, so this car will need a coal load, so the top of the car braces will have to be added after the coal load is inside covering a weight.
If these modifications work, I will need to update my 1995 version of this kit, though i likes its Central Valley archbar trucks. One question, the rear of the car shown in the picture only shows the car number, not the GN reporting marks. Is that unusual for this type of car?

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


Bridge & Building Cars Available For Research

thecitrusbelt <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

While attending this past week's Pacific Southwest Region/NMRA Convention in Las Vegas, NV, I came across a retired Union Pacific caboose (25330?) and two pre-1920 UP bridge & building maintenance cars. The two B & B cars were built in Las Vegas specifically as B & B cars, I was told.

The owner's husband is a car broker in the Las Vegas area and acquired the cars through some of his dealings. The owner is using the B & B cars for storage.

If anyone is interested in doing on-site research the owner is agreeable to allowing access. Please contact me OFF LIST and I will provide the contact information.

By the way, there is a former Santa Fe light weight coach (2913), as well as a G scale garden railroad at this location.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: ORER QUESTION

leakinmywaders
 

Tim and Brian: When I referred to the DTI's 40-ft X31c double door round roof boxcars as "clones" on another list, I was corrected by Rich Orr, who said it thusly:

--- In PRRPro@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:
...
These were not X31 clones. The were X31 and subclass cars which were
originally leased by the PRR to the DT&I and subsequently sold to
the DT&I. The
cars were carried in the PRR listings in the ORER for a period of
time with a
note leased to DT&I. I don't have or have access to the issue of
the ORER
when they were dropped so I can't tell when the sale took place.

Rich Orr
So taking this and additional info from NP records, it appears these boxcars were built in 1937 by Greenville Steel Co. to PRR plans and for the PRR as original owner. They were popular cars; DT&I bought them after their initial lease, and after the DT&I sold them to A.A. Morrison in the 1960s for lease to the NP, that road too later bought them. These were among the few lots among the many refurbished boxcars it leased that the NP decided were worth purchasing outright.

I'm presently working on an article on the NP's X31 design leaser boxcars and if anyone has further information on their history, or can offer up a publishable in-service photograph in their DT&I life, I'd much appreciate hearing about it.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Yes, that's right Brian. That's why I didn't write "ex-PRR X31c". :-)

Tim


DTI 12128
From series 12000-12399 built 1937, these are PRR X31c round roof
box cars
I think these were just clones of Pennsy round roof box cars, and never owned by PRR. The trucks under these cars were Self-Aligning Double Truss Spring Plankless with Coil-Elliptic spring package (a favorite truck of DT&I's) and not PRR's 2D-F12 coil-elliptic truck.

Tahoe Model Works's new Coil-Elliptic truck is a close match, if you don't mind the spring plank detail.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: 33 inch wheels

Charles Hladik
 

They gave us the "Railroad Roman" font, of course.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 9/7/2009 7:02:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rob.mclear2@... writes:




Well Al, what did the romans ever do for us?

Rob.

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water.kresse@, wate



Can we blame it on the Romans?



Al Kresse


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Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 11:33:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] 33 inch wheels

Why and when did the use of 33 inch wheels become standard on freight
cars?

Lee



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Re: 33 inch wheels

water.kresse@...
 

Can we blame it on the Romans?



Al Kresse

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From: "snoqualmier" <leethwaits@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 11:33:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] 33 inch wheels

Why and when did the use of 33 inch wheels become standard on freight cars?

Lee


Re: 33 inch wheels

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Maybe not the particular "Why?" you were looking for, but the analysis of contact stresses between two objects favors two flat surfaces touching each other. Failing that, with one surface flat (the rail) and the other not (the wheel), stresses are minimized and the load carrying capability maximized when the wheel is as large as possible. Rolling resistance is also reduced with larger wheels. The standard size nowadays is 36 inches, I think, but many double stack cars - like depressed center cars in the steam era - use 28 inch wheels to gain extra room for cargo under the clearance limits.

Why 33 rather than 32 or 34? I dunno, but they seem to have settled on that number very early on.

KL

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Why and when did the use of 33 inch wheels become standard on freight cars?


33 inch wheels

snoqualmier <leethwaits@...>
 

Why and when did the use of 33 inch wheels become standard on freight cars?

Lee


Re: Update - IM Santa Fe Ft-V flat car

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Tim O'C. expresses a need for protective devices, i.e. protective of ham-handedness, that will screw into bolster holes during kit construction. An easy device that will at least partly serve this purpose is the routine install of a pair of empty plastic truck frames. I keep a cup full of these discards around for just such purposes.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA


Re: Naperville meet oct. 2009 -share a room

Joseph Lofland
 

Richard,

Dave passed me on to you. I'm lookint for a romate. I have the room
reserved. Are you intedresterd stoill?

Joe Lofland

On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Richard Hendrickson <
rhendrickson@...> wrote:



On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:26 PM, up4884114152002 wrote:

My name is Dave Friedman and I am looking for someone
to share a 2 bedroom room at the Meet. I am arriving
on Thursday afternoon and have a room already reserved. 2 double beds.
i am staying til Sunday morning so I am looking for someone to
share the 3 nights charges. the room is $94/night plus tax. I need
someone
who is a non-snorer please. i am 65 years old and from New York
City where I am an attorney and model railroader. Please email me
at work so we can work out the details.dlfriedman@...<details.dlfriedman%40legal-aid.org>
Dave, I've been out of town for three days, so I'm late responding,
and you probably have a roommate lined up by now. But if not, I'll
be arriving Thursday night, leaving Sunday, and would be pleased to
share a room with you. (PS: I don't snore).

Richard Hendrickson




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