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Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

Greg Martin
 

Bill,



What are the cost of the ends? With the $20.00 minium in mind I have plans to do at least two cars on my own (they seemed to show up regularly in PRR traffic). ?I had discuss this just?before the meet we just had in Salem, OR and I had made my "Marching Orders" of "no selling" at the meet too broad (it was not intended to eliminate Hisitorical Society sales or some small "invited sales") and I will?not make that mistake next year. So, the NPRHA didn't bring them, my bad... So let me know off line what we can do collectively with whomever is interested. What trucks do we need as well? Might as well get that covered at the same time.



Thanks,



Greg Martin

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car







I admit I had not noticed this detail. I may have to forget that the car is too wide and build it w/o using these parts.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Herson" <mherson@...> wrote:

Bill,



Don't forget the minimum order from the NPRHA Company Store is $20.



Matt Herson



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Welch
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:19 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car





I notice that the NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car to
properly narrow the car, but they offer them packaged to do four
cars. As I only want to do one car, I am wondering if there is anyone
on this list that has one pair they want to sell? Alternatively, are
there 1-3 people who want to split up a packet?

Bill Welch
fgexbill@... <mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com>







Re: Update - IM Santa Fe Ft-V flat car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

gary laakso wrote:
The new Richard Hendrickson Santa FE open-top Cars volume shows the 200 cars in the series 91500-91699 were built in 1944 by PSCM. I did not find a date for removal from interchange, you may want to look at some Equipment Registers.
There were still 198 of these cars listed in the 1970 ORER (!) but by then they had been converted to pulpwood cars, AAR type LP, with bulkheads.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Update - IM Santa Fe Ft-V flat car

gary laakso
 

The new Richard Hendrickson Santa FE open-top Cars volume shows the 200 cars in the series 91500-91699 were built in 1944 by PSCM. I did not find a date for removal from interchange, you may want to look at some Equipment Registers.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net

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Sent: 9/8/2009 12:06:25 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Update - IM Santa Fe Ft-V flat car


I just attempted to find basic data on these 70 ton cars through an archive search but failed to find much.

Would someone mind informing me about build dates (range of years) for these cars and when they last saw regular interchange service?

Thanks much, Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa


Re: ORER QUESTION

Tim O'Connor
 

So which roads had the spring plank version of the trucks? I
don't think you made that distinction in earlier emails. I'm
guessing PRR is one of them.

Thanks
Tim

At 9/8/2009 12:24 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Brian

I was VERY bummed to read that the trucks you made were not
correct for the DT&I cars because of the spring plank. Did I
understand that correctly? That means they're also not correct
for the NP exDT&I cars. :-(

Tim O'Connor
Sorry, Tim. I can't make everybody happy. :>(

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works


Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Sandifer wrote:
I was real proud of the car I built until I went over to Mike Spoors layout and saw that it was 1' too wide and painted it the wrong color (should be Tuscan). Only rivet counters (including I) know the difference.
I recommend the "passing train" standard of accuracy, made famous by our own Mr. Brock, for this problem. As long as you never switch the car but keep it in moving trains, it's undetectable.
(If, conceivably, I've misrepresented Mr. Brock's theory, I suspect we will all hear about it shortly.)

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

Steve SANDIFER
 

I think you can cut a foot out of the current ends (and roof, and floor) to achieve this. Just build the car complete, then run it through a band saw. (Just kidding, of course).

I was real proud of the car I built until I went over to Mike Spoors layout and saw that it was 1' too wide and painted it the wrong color (should be Tuscan). Only rivet counters (including I) know the difference.

I do want to build two of them correctly.

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Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
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Church: http://www.swcentral.org

----- Original Message -----
From: lnbill
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:16 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car


I admit I had not noticed this detail. I may have to forget that the car is too wide and build it w/o using these parts.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Herson" <mherson@...> wrote:
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> Bill,
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> Don't forget the minimum order from the NPRHA Company Store is $20.
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> Matt Herson
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> From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Welch
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:19 AM
> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [STMFC] Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car
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> I notice that the NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car to
> properly narrow the car, but they offer them packaged to do four
> cars. As I only want to do one car, I am wondering if there is anyone
> on this list that has one pair they want to sell? Alternatively, are
> there 1-3 people who want to split up a packet?
>
> Bill Welch
> fgexbill@... <mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com>
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Re: ORER QUESTION

brianleppert@att.net <b.leppert@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Brian

I was VERY bummed to read that the trucks you made were not
correct for the DT&I cars because of the spring plank. Did I
understand that correctly? That means they're also not correct
for the NP exDT&I cars. :-(

Tim O'Connor
Sorry, Tim. I can't make everybody happy. :>(

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works


Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

Bill Welch
 

I admit I had not noticed this detail. I may have to forget that the car is too wide and build it w/o using these parts.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Herson" <mherson@...> wrote:

Bill,



Don't forget the minimum order from the NPRHA Company Store is $20.



Matt Herson



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Welch
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:19 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car





I notice that the NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car to
properly narrow the car, but they offer them packaged to do four
cars. As I only want to do one car, I am wondering if there is anyone
on this list that has one pair they want to sell? Alternatively, are
there 1-3 people who want to split up a packet?

Bill Welch
fgexbill@... <mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com>





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Re: ORER QUESTION

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian

I was VERY bummed to read that the trucks you made were not
correct for the DT&I cars because of the spring plank. Did I
understand that correctly? That means they're also not correct
for the NP exDT&I cars. :-(

Tim O'Connor

These cars are listed as DT&I #12000-12399 in the April 1938 ORER. I cannot find any mention of them being leased from PRR in that issue.

Maybe Pennsy paid for them, but I'll argue that they were built new for the DT&I and never operated by Pennsy. My opinion is based solely that they don't have the expected PRR 2D-F12 trucks, but rather a truck favored by DT&I.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "leakinmywaders" <leakinmywaders@...> wrote:

Tim and Brian: When I referred to the DTI's 40-ft X31c double door round roof boxcars as "clones" on another list, I was corrected by Rich Orr, SNIP


Re: Update - IM Santa Fe Ft-V flat car

cornbeltroute <cornbeltroute@...>
 

I just attempted to find basic data on these 70 ton cars through an archive search but failed to find much.

Would someone mind informing me about build dates (range of years) for these cars and when they last saw regular interchange service?

Thanks much, Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa


Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

Matt Herson
 

Bill,



Don't forget the minimum order from the NPRHA Company Store is $20.



Matt Herson



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Welch
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:19 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car





I notice that the NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car to
properly narrow the car, but they offer them packaged to do four
cars. As I only want to do one car, I am wondering if there is anyone
on this list that has one pair they want to sell? Alternatively, are
there 1-3 people who want to split up a packet?

Bill Welch
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com <mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com>


Re: 33 inch wheels

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Except, according to White, they started off big, tried small for a short period, and ramped up to 33 pretty quickly. They compensated by making the wheels as light as possible (reducing the mass moment of inertia), apparently.

No reason why they picked 33 over 30, 32, 34, or 31.831 though.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Earl Hackett

. . . In the early days with
wimpy locomotives small wheels were a necessity. As locomotives became more
powerful, larger wheels became more practical to operate.


Re: ORER QUESTION

brianleppert@att.net <b.leppert@...>
 

These cars are listed as DT&I #12000-12399 in the April 1938 ORER. I cannot find any mention of them being leased from PRR in that issue.

Maybe Pennsy paid for them, but I'll argue that they were built new for the DT&I and never operated by Pennsy. My opinion is based solely that they don't have the expected PRR 2D-F12 trucks, but rather a truck favored by DT&I.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "leakinmywaders" <leakinmywaders@...> wrote:

Tim and Brian: When I referred to the DTI's 40-ft X31c double door round roof boxcars as "clones" on another list, I was corrected by Rich Orr, SNIP


Re: 33 inch wheels

Earl Hackett <hacketet@...>
 

One of the things that most people don't think about is the energy required
to get bigger wheels moving. You have to accelerate the wheel rim to twice
the speed of the train - observe the speed of the top of the wheel vs the
speed of the train. As the center of mass moves away from the center of
rotation (the axle) the angular momentum goes up with the square of the
distance. So as a wheel gets larger you get hit with a double whammy. The
center of mass (most of it is in the rim of the wheel) moves away from the
center of rotation and the mass itself increases in proportion to the
circumference of the rim. So wheel diameter is a tradeoff between reduced
stress at the wheel/rail interface, and the ability of the locomotive to get
the train moving within a reasonable time frame. In the early days with
wimpy locomotives small wheels were a necessity. As locomotives became more
powerful, larger wheels became more practical to operate.



This was never more clearly demonstrated than with a Pinewood Derby car I
helped my son build. The thought was that reducing the body weight would
reduce axle friction and allow the car to roll faster. So I machined him
some weights that would fit inside the plastic wheels. When run on the
track with the other cars all of the same weight, by comparison it just sat
there. It took over twice as long for it to roll to the finish as the
slowest car in the bunch! OH YEAH, I forgot about angular momentum! Try to
explain angular momentum to a 5 year old who just got clobbered in a race.



Earl Hackett

Modeling the C&O in 1952


Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

Steve SANDIFER
 

I would like to do 2 cars. Do you have to be a member to order them?

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J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Dr., Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417
Personal: http://www.geocities.com/stevesandifer2000/index
Church: http://www.swcentral.org

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Welch
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:19 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car


I notice that the NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car to
properly narrow the car, but they offer them packaged to do four
cars. As I only want to do one car, I am wondering if there is anyone
on this list that has one pair they want to sell? Alternatively, are
there 1-3 people who want to split up a packet?

Bill Welch
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com


Re: NMRA BULLETINS

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Peter - You've got it wrong. They're not NMRA Bulletins, there Railway Historical Society Bulletins. If that's what you really want, let me know. - Al

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Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:29 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NMRA BULLETINS




Dear Al Westerfield:
Thank you for your reply. My address is:
2838 Crestscene Trail
Raleigh, N.C. 27603

Sincerely, Peter Boylan


Re: 33 inch wheels

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

White, in "The American Railroad Freight Car" says that 33 inches "had become nearly universal in this country by about 1840." Early English imports were apparently 36 inchers, and he does not opine on why 33 became the standard.

KL


Re: 33 inch wheels

stevelucas3 <stevelucas3@...>
 

"Romanes eunt domus" from "Life of Brian", perhaps??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsawP_Ew0r4

Mandatory viewing for STMFC members that are also students of language, or have been corrected and/or admonished online. As i may be shortly.

But before that happens, a thought as to that wheel diameter question. The number 33 appears in rail lengths a hundred years ago, when rail was rolled in 33-foot lengths. Or two rods--1 rod=16'-6".

Thoughts??

Steve Lucas.





Steve Lucas.

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There¹s a whole Monty Python routine there, but I am loathe to incur the
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Thanks!

Brian Ehni



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Subject: [STMFC] Re: 33 inch wheels





Well Al, what did the romans ever do for us?

Rob.

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water.kresse@ wrote:



Can we blame it on the Romans?



Al Kresse


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Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 11:33:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] 33 inch wheels

Why and when did the use of 33 inch wheels become standard on freight cars?

Lee



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Re: 33 inch wheels

water.kresse@...
 

Was the 33" wheel standardized on before the American War Between the States or Civil War?  They show up on Ensign Manufg 25-ton open freight cars.



I was hoping to hear that the Romans had standardized war supply wagons or something on a set track and diameter.  Sorry for setting this crowd off on a tangent.



Al Kresse

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Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 10:57:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: 33 inch wheels

Chuck Hladik wrote:
They gave us the "Railroad Roman" font, of course.
      As far as I've ever been able to tell, NO railroad used exactly  
these characters, at least the Champ version. Can anyone supply  
contrary evidence?
       I grant that the Champ generic Roman lettering RESEMBLES lots  
of railroad lettering.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history



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Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

Bill Welch
 

I notice that the NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car to properly narrow the car, but they offer them packaged to do four cars. As I only want to do one car, I am wondering if there is anyone on this list that has one pair they want to sell? Alternatively, are there 1-3 people who want to split up a packet?

Bill Welch
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com

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