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Re: 1913 & 1917 ORERs

estcbq@...
 

results on the 1913 ORER is the file is damaged and not repairable--jim young

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From: Mark Mathu <mark@mathu.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2009 6:52 pm
Subject: [STMFC] 1913 & 1917 ORERs






Full versions of the 2/1913 & 6/1917 Official Railway Equipment Registers
are on-line at Google Books:
http://books.google.com/books?q=%22official+railway+equipment+register%22&as
_brr=1

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Mark Mathu
Whitefish Bay, Wis.
The Green Bay Route: http://www.greenbayroute.com/


Polyester shim material

Robert kirkham
 

I'm working on a tank car model, and want to add tank courses that are slimmer than the .005" styrene sheet available from Evergreen. I feel the thickness is an issue especially when modelling areas where multiple overlapping radial courses are themselves overlapped by another sheet. On tanks with a horizontal lower course and radial upper courses, this situation is often found along the long horizontal seam at the top edges of the lower course.

I have considered using Bare Metal Foil, but it is a product largely unknown to me and I am not confident of my ability to paint it and keep the paint from scratching off over time. I also think its a bit too slim for the purpose. I prefer to use something closer to styrene if there is a viable alternative.

To that end, I wonder whether anyone on list has used the various plastic shim materials sold by McMaster-Carr. I do not see thin styrene, but they include polyester sheet materials in several thicknesses that are slimmer than .005" styrene. If you have used the polyester sheet, I'd like to hear what you thought of it, including:

- does it have a smooth finish suitable for modelling a steel panel?

- how does it work with glues? and

- how do model paints adhere to it?

For example, will solvent type cement bond it to styrene? Alternatively, what about CA?
Can any of you suggest another product that might fit the purpose better?


Thanks in advance

Rob Kirkham


Paint color for Central Valley NP stock car

gary laakso
 

Do you recommend a light primer since the CV plastic used in the stock car kit is black? If so, what color?

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 9/8/2009 8:40:01 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car


Bill

A formula that looks pretty good on the stock cars IMO:

1 part Floquil #74 box car red
1 part Floquil #88 DH10 caboose red

The above was recommended in Mainline Modeler 8/1990. I'd say
it resembles aged paint, not fresh paint.

Tim O'Connor

At 9/8/2009 07:47 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Not having access to the cited article, a dumb question: what has to
be done to the floor, underframe, and roof in order to use these ends?

-Clark Cooper

On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:19 AM, Bill Welch wrote:

I notice that the NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car to
properly narrow the car, but they offer them packaged to do four
cars. As I only want to do one car, I am wondering if there is anyone
on this list that has one pair they want to sell? Alternatively, are
there 1-3 people who want to split up a packet?

Bill Welch
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com


Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

A formula that looks pretty good on the stock cars IMO:

1 part Floquil #74 box car red
1 part Floquil #88 DH10 caboose red

The above was recommended in Mainline Modeler 8/1990. I'd say
it resembles aged paint, not fresh paint.

Tim O'Connor

At 9/8/2009 07:47 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Not having access to the cited article, a dumb question: what has to
be done to the floor, underframe, and roof in order to use these ends?

-Clark Cooper

On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:19 AM, Bill Welch wrote:

I notice that the NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car to
properly narrow the car, but they offer them packaged to do four
cars. As I only want to do one car, I am wondering if there is anyone
on this list that has one pair they want to sell? Alternatively, are
there 1-3 people who want to split up a packet?

Bill Welch
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com


Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

Bill Welch
 

Hello Friends

The response regarding these ends has sort of been overwhelming, with at least three offers for a free pair. When time permits I will compose and send an email to those that contacted me offline and try to make sure everyones needs are met.

Bill Welch


Re: ORER QUESTION

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

Perhaps not everyone but you've made many of us a lot happier.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brianleppert@..." <b.leppert@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@> wrote:

Brian

I was VERY bummed to read that the trucks you made were not
correct for the DT&I cars because of the spring plank. Did I
understand that correctly? That means they're also not correct
for the NP exDT&I cars. :-(

Tim O'Connor
Sorry, Tim. I can't make everybody happy. :>(

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works


Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

Clark Cooper
 

Not having access to the cited article, a dumb question: what has to be done to the floor, underframe, and roof in order to use these ends?

-Clark Cooper

On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:19 AM, Bill Welch wrote:

I notice that the NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car to
properly narrow the car, but they offer them packaged to do four
cars. As I only want to do one car, I am wondering if there is anyone
on this list that has one pair they want to sell? Alternatively, are
there 1-3 people who want to split up a packet?

Bill Welch
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com


Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

Steve SANDIFER
 

Is there a good paint choice for the "correct" color?
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Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: leakinmywaders
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 2:30 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car


Steve: Actually the "new" color of the NP stock cars was the NP's standard mineral red, which is a shade of boxcar red that runs heavily to rusty red-orange. On some cars this color shifted toward Tuscan with age, but actually far less so on wood than metal cars (yes the NP's 50s-built steel-sided Pig Palace stock cars were darkening toward Tuscan by the time they slipped off the purview of this list...). The wood stock cars like the CV model didn't get frequent repaints, so they tended to go from mineral red to slightly-redder peeling mineral red with gray bleached wood and oxidized gray metal roof.

Chris Frissell
Rivetenumerator, MT

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Sandifer" <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:
...
> I was real proud of the car I built until I went over to Mike Spoors layout and saw that it was 1' too wide and painted it the wrong color (should be Tuscan).


Re: ORER QUESTION

SUVCWORR@...
 

The information I cited was from one of the PRR ORER pages on the CD's sold by Al Westefield.? I do not have the issue marked down and would need to go through all the end notes for the ORER's to find it again.? Since these are jpeg files they are not searchable.

Rich Orr

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Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:16 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ORER QUESTION










Brian: You have a good point there, and I'll temper my report on this
accordingly. Sounds like maybe Rich knows of a Pennsy AFE or lease agreement,
but I haven't seen it. I also don't have the DT&I diagram sheet info, or an
early shot of the cars that might show wording in a lease stencil.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brianleppert@..." <b.leppert@...> wrote:

These cars are listed as DT&I #12000-12399 in the April 1938 ORER. I cannot
find any mention of them being leased from PRR in that issue.

Maybe Pennsy paid for them, but I'll argue that they were built new for the
DT&I and never operated by Pennsy. My opinion is based solely that they don't
have the expected PRR 2D-F12 trucks, but rather a truck favored by DT&I.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV



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Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

leakinmywaders
 

Steve: Actually the "new" color of the NP stock cars was the NP's standard mineral red, which is a shade of boxcar red that runs heavily to rusty red-orange. On some cars this color shifted toward Tuscan with age, but actually far less so on wood than metal cars (yes the NP's 50s-built steel-sided Pig Palace stock cars were darkening toward Tuscan by the time they slipped off the purview of this list...). The wood stock cars like the CV model didn't get frequent repaints, so they tended to go from mineral red to slightly-redder peeling mineral red with gray bleached wood and oxidized gray metal roof.

Chris Frissell
Rivetenumerator, MT

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Sandifer" <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:
...
I was real proud of the car I built until I went over to Mike Spoors layout and saw that it was 1' too wide and painted it the wrong color (should be Tuscan).


Re: ORER QUESTION

leakinmywaders
 

Brian: You have a good point there, and I'll temper my report on this accordingly. Sounds like maybe Rich knows of a Pennsy AFE or lease agreement, but I haven't seen it. I also don't have the DT&I diagram sheet info, or an early shot of the cars that might show wording in a lease stencil.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brianleppert@..." <b.leppert@...> wrote:

These cars are listed as DT&I #12000-12399 in the April 1938 ORER. I cannot find any mention of them being leased from PRR in that issue.

Maybe Pennsy paid for them, but I'll argue that they were built new for the DT&I and never operated by Pennsy. My opinion is based solely that they don't have the expected PRR 2D-F12 trucks, but rather a truck favored by DT&I.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: ORER QUESTION

brianleppert@att.net <b.leppert@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


So which roads had the spring plank version of the trucks? I
don't think you made that distinction in earlier emails. I'm
guessing PRR is one of them.

Thanks
Tim
Tim, one of these days (soon, I hope) I'll get my notes together and post a list here of what cars and RRs I've found that used the double truss Coil-Elliptic trucks. Hopefully I'll get additions/corrections from members.

C&O, some CGW, Erie, some LNE, N&W, VGN and WM used these trucks with spring planks. BAR, DT&I and SHPX had spring-plankless versions.

PRR had one or two designs of double truss, coil-elliptic trucks. The 70-ton version had a spring plank. I don't know about the 50-ton.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Naperville

rialco490 <lebert1942@...>
 

Hi Is there anyone going to Naperville who may not to share a room if so please contact me I have a room for two Thanks Lee


Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Bill:

Will be happy to take a set of ends. You can contact me off list at pardiew001@hawaii.rr.com
.

Bill Pardie

On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:19 AM, Bill Welch wrote:

I notice that the NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car to
properly narrow the car, but they offer them packaged to do four
cars. As I only want to do one car, I am wondering if there is anyone
on this list that has one pair they want to sell? Alternatively, are
there 1-3 people who want to split up a packet?

Bill Welch
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com


Re: Update - IM Santa Fe Ft-V flat car

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

They were already LP by mid-'61.

KL

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From: Anthony Thompson To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com

gary laakso wrote:
The new Richard Hendrickson Santa FE open-top Cars volume shows the 200 cars in the series 91500-91699 were built in 1944 by PSCM. I did not find a date for removal from interchange, you may want to look at some Equipment Registers.
There were still 198 of these cars listed in the 1970 ORER (!) but by then they had been converted to pulpwood cars, AAR type LP, with bulkheads.


RP CYC #1 & C&BT SFRD reefers sighting

Bill Welch
 

I visited the Happy Hobo hobby shop yesterday in Tampa as it is
prototype modeling oriented and relatively close for me, 18 miles. HH
has one copy of RP CYC in case one of you is looking to complete
their collection.

Also in stock are the following undec. C&BT SFRD reefers kits: 7000,
7200,7300, 7500, 7600, 7700, and 7800. These are described on the
Walthers website. While Sunshine via Charley Slater has covered these
in resin, they are only about $13.

Here is the HH contact info: 4040 W Waters Ave # 1100; Tampa, FL
33614-8155; (813) 886-5072

Bill Welch


Re: ORER QUESTION

cinderandeight@...
 

Guys,
I have a copy of a builder's photo of DT&I #12399 (from a half tone in
a catalog). It has no lettering mentioning a lease, and is painted as
"New 9/37" which would probably indicates this is how the car was delivered by
Greenville.
I too can't find a PRR listing that states they are leased (after
checking a half dozen ORER's in the late 1930's, including the issue in which
the cars first appear as a number series, with no cars yet delivered, Oct.
1937). Other DT&I leased cars clearly show a note above the DT&I logo statin
g such, and were listed under the same number series in the PRR section as
if they were still PRR cars. This is not the case for the X31C box cars.
(unless someone can point me to an issue with them?)
Rich Burg


Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car

Greg Martin
 

Bill,



What are the cost of the ends? With the $20.00 minium in mind I have plans to do at least two cars on my own (they seemed to show up regularly in PRR traffic). ?I had discuss this just?before the meet we just had in Salem, OR and I had made my "Marching Orders" of "no selling" at the meet too broad (it was not intended to eliminate Hisitorical Society sales or some small "invited sales") and I will?not make that mistake next year. So, the NPRHA didn't bring them, my bad... So let me know off line what we can do collectively with whomever is interested. What trucks do we need as well? Might as well get that covered at the same time.



Thanks,



Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:16 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car







I admit I had not noticed this detail. I may have to forget that the car is too wide and build it w/o using these parts.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Herson" <mherson@...> wrote:

Bill,



Don't forget the minimum order from the NPRHA Company Store is $20.



Matt Herson



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Welch
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:19 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car





I notice that the NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car to
properly narrow the car, but they offer them packaged to do four
cars. As I only want to do one car, I am wondering if there is anyone
on this list that has one pair they want to sell? Alternatively, are
there 1-3 people who want to split up a packet?

Bill Welch
fgexbill@... <mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com>







Re: Update - IM Santa Fe Ft-V flat car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

gary laakso wrote:
The new Richard Hendrickson Santa FE open-top Cars volume shows the 200 cars in the series 91500-91699 were built in 1944 by PSCM. I did not find a date for removal from interchange, you may want to look at some Equipment Registers.
There were still 198 of these cars listed in the 1970 ORER (!) but by then they had been converted to pulpwood cars, AAR type LP, with bulkheads.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Update - IM Santa Fe Ft-V flat car

gary laakso
 

The new Richard Hendrickson Santa FE open-top Cars volume shows the 200 cars in the series 91500-91699 were built in 1944 by PSCM. I did not find a date for removal from interchange, you may want to look at some Equipment Registers.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net

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From: cornbeltroute
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 9/8/2009 12:06:25 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Update - IM Santa Fe Ft-V flat car


I just attempted to find basic data on these 70 ton cars through an archive search but failed to find much.

Would someone mind informing me about build dates (range of years) for these cars and when they last saw regular interchange service?

Thanks much, Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa

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