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Polyester shim material
Robert kirkham
I'm working on a tank car model, and want to add tank courses that are slimmer than the .005" styrene sheet available from Evergreen. I feel the thickness is an issue especially when modelling areas where multiple overlapping radial courses are themselves overlapped by another sheet. On tanks with a horizontal lower course and radial upper courses, this situation is often found along the long horizontal seam at the top edges of the lower course.
I have considered using Bare Metal Foil, but it is a product largely unknown to me and I am not confident of my ability to paint it and keep the paint from scratching off over time. I also think its a bit too slim for the purpose. I prefer to use something closer to styrene if there is a viable alternative. To that end, I wonder whether anyone on list has used the various plastic shim materials sold by McMaster-Carr. I do not see thin styrene, but they include polyester sheet materials in several thicknesses that are slimmer than .005" styrene. If you have used the polyester sheet, I'd like to hear what you thought of it, including: - does it have a smooth finish suitable for modelling a steel panel? - how does it work with glues? and - how do model paints adhere to it? For example, will solvent type cement bond it to styrene? Alternatively, what about CA? Can any of you suggest another product that might fit the purpose better? Thanks in advance Rob Kirkham
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Paint color for Central Valley NP stock car
gary laakso
Do you recommend a light primer since the CV plastic used in the stock car kit is black? If so, what color?
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gary laakso south of Mike Brock vasa0vasa@earthlink.net
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From: Tim O'Connor To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: 9/8/2009 8:40:01 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car Bill A formula that looks pretty good on the stock cars IMO: 1 part Floquil #74 box car red 1 part Floquil #88 DH10 caboose red The above was recommended in Mainline Modeler 8/1990. I'd say it resembles aged paint, not fresh paint. Tim O'Connor At 9/8/2009 07:47 PM Tuesday, you wrote: Not having access to the cited article, a dumb question: what has to
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Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car
Bill
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A formula that looks pretty good on the stock cars IMO: 1 part Floquil #74 box car red 1 part Floquil #88 DH10 caboose red The above was recommended in Mainline Modeler 8/1990. I'd say it resembles aged paint, not fresh paint. Tim O'Connor
At 9/8/2009 07:47 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Not having access to the cited article, a dumb question: what has to
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Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car
Bill Welch
Hello Friends
The response regarding these ends has sort of been overwhelming, with at least three offers for a free pair. When time permits I will compose and send an email to those that contacted me offline and try to make sure everyones needs are met. Bill Welch
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Re: ORER QUESTION
bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
Perhaps not everyone but you've made many of us a lot happier.
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Gene Green
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brianleppert@..." <b.leppert@...> wrote:
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Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car
Clark Cooper
Not having access to the cited article, a dumb question: what has to be done to the floor, underframe, and roof in order to use these ends?
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-Clark Cooper
On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:19 AM, Bill Welch wrote:
I notice that the NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car to
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Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car
Steve SANDIFER
Is there a good paint choice for the "correct" color?
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From: leakinmywaders To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car Steve: Actually the "new" color of the NP stock cars was the NP's standard mineral red, which is a shade of boxcar red that runs heavily to rusty red-orange. On some cars this color shifted toward Tuscan with age, but actually far less so on wood than metal cars (yes the NP's 50s-built steel-sided Pig Palace stock cars were darkening toward Tuscan by the time they slipped off the purview of this list...). The wood stock cars like the CV model didn't get frequent repaints, so they tended to go from mineral red to slightly-redder peeling mineral red with gray bleached wood and oxidized gray metal roof. Chris Frissell Rivetenumerator, MT --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Sandifer" <steve.sandifer@...> wrote: ... > I was real proud of the car I built until I went over to Mike Spoors layout and saw that it was 1' too wide and painted it the wrong color (should be Tuscan).
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Re: ORER QUESTION
SUVCWORR@...
The information I cited was from one of the PRR ORER pages on the CD's sold by Al Westefield.? I do not have the issue marked down and would need to go through all the end notes for the ORER's to find it again.? Since these are jpeg files they are not searchable.
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Rich Orr
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From: leakinmywaders <leakinmywaders@yahoo.com> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:16 pm Subject: [STMFC] Re: ORER QUESTION Brian: You have a good point there, and I'll temper my report on this accordingly. Sounds like maybe Rich knows of a Pennsy AFE or lease agreement, but I haven't seen it. I also don't have the DT&I diagram sheet info, or an early shot of the cars that might show wording in a lease stencil. Chris Frissell Polson, MT --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brianleppert@..." <b.leppert@...> wrote: find any mention of them being leased from PRR in that issue. DT&I and never operated by Pennsy. My opinion is based solely that they don't have the expected PRR 2D-F12 trucks, but rather a truck favored by DT&I.
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Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car
leakinmywaders
Steve: Actually the "new" color of the NP stock cars was the NP's standard mineral red, which is a shade of boxcar red that runs heavily to rusty red-orange. On some cars this color shifted toward Tuscan with age, but actually far less so on wood than metal cars (yes the NP's 50s-built steel-sided Pig Palace stock cars were darkening toward Tuscan by the time they slipped off the purview of this list...). The wood stock cars like the CV model didn't get frequent repaints, so they tended to go from mineral red to slightly-redder peeling mineral red with gray bleached wood and oxidized gray metal roof.
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Chris Frissell Rivetenumerator, MT
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Sandifer" <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:
... I was real proud of the car I built until I went over to Mike Spoors layout and saw that it was 1' too wide and painted it the wrong color (should be Tuscan).
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Re: ORER QUESTION
leakinmywaders
Brian: You have a good point there, and I'll temper my report on this accordingly. Sounds like maybe Rich knows of a Pennsy AFE or lease agreement, but I haven't seen it. I also don't have the DT&I diagram sheet info, or an early shot of the cars that might show wording in a lease stencil.
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Chris Frissell Polson, MT
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brianleppert@..." <b.leppert@...> wrote:
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Re: ORER QUESTION
brianleppert@att.net <b.leppert@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Tim, one of these days (soon, I hope) I'll get my notes together and post a list here of what cars and RRs I've found that used the double truss Coil-Elliptic trucks. Hopefully I'll get additions/corrections from members. C&O, some CGW, Erie, some LNE, N&W, VGN and WM used these trucks with spring planks. BAR, DT&I and SHPX had spring-plankless versions. PRR had one or two designs of double truss, coil-elliptic trucks. The 70-ton version had a spring plank. I don't know about the 50-ton. Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV
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Naperville
rialco490 <lebert1942@...>
Hi Is there anyone going to Naperville who may not to share a room if so please contact me I have a room for two Thanks Lee
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Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car
WILLIAM PARDIE
Bill:
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Will be happy to take a set of ends. You can contact me off list at pardiew001@hawaii.rr.com . Bill Pardie
On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:19 AM, Bill Welch wrote:
I notice that the NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car to
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Re: Update - IM Santa Fe Ft-V flat car
Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
They were already LP by mid-'61.
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From: Anthony Thompson To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com gary laakso wrote: The new Richard Hendrickson Santa FE open-top Cars volume shows the 200 cars in the series 91500-91699 were built in 1944 by PSCM. I did not find a date for removal from interchange, you may want to look at some Equipment Registers.There were still 198 of these cars listed in the 1970 ORER (!) but by then they had been converted to pulpwood cars, AAR type LP, with bulkheads.
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RP CYC #1 & C&BT SFRD reefers sighting
Bill Welch
I visited the Happy Hobo hobby shop yesterday in Tampa as it is
prototype modeling oriented and relatively close for me, 18 miles. HH has one copy of RP CYC in case one of you is looking to complete their collection. Also in stock are the following undec. C&BT SFRD reefers kits: 7000, 7200,7300, 7500, 7600, 7700, and 7800. These are described on the Walthers website. While Sunshine via Charley Slater has covered these in resin, they are only about $13. Here is the HH contact info: 4040 W Waters Ave # 1100; Tampa, FL 33614-8155; (813) 886-5072 Bill Welch
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Re: ORER QUESTION
cinderandeight@...
Guys,
I have a copy of a builder's photo of DT&I #12399 (from a half tone in a catalog). It has no lettering mentioning a lease, and is painted as "New 9/37" which would probably indicates this is how the car was delivered by Greenville. I too can't find a PRR listing that states they are leased (after checking a half dozen ORER's in the late 1930's, including the issue in which the cars first appear as a number series, with no cars yet delivered, Oct. 1937). Other DT&I leased cars clearly show a note above the DT&I logo statin g such, and were listed under the same number series in the PRR section as if they were still PRR cars. This is not the case for the X31C box cars. (unless someone can point me to an issue with them?) Rich Burg
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Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car
Greg Martin
Bill,
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What are the cost of the ends? With the $20.00 minium in mind I have plans to do at least two cars on my own (they seemed to show up regularly in PRR traffic). ?I had discuss this just?before the meet we just had in Salem, OR and I had made my "Marching Orders" of "no selling" at the meet too broad (it was not intended to eliminate Hisitorical Society sales or some small "invited sales") and I will?not make that mistake next year. So, the NPRHA didn't bring them, my bad... So let me know off line what we can do collectively with whomever is interested. What trucks do we need as well? Might as well get that covered at the same time. Thanks, Greg Martin
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From: lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:16 am Subject: [STMFC] Re: Corrected Ends for Central Valley NP stock car I admit I had not noticed this detail. I may have to forget that the car is too wide and build it w/o using these parts. Thanks for pointing this out. Bill Welch --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Herson" <mherson@...> wrote:
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Re: Update - IM Santa Fe Ft-V flat car
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
gary laakso wrote:
The new Richard Hendrickson Santa FE open-top Cars volume shows the 200 cars in the series 91500-91699 were built in 1944 by PSCM. I did not find a date for removal from interchange, you may want to look at some Equipment Registers.There were still 198 of these cars listed in the 1970 ORER (!) but by then they had been converted to pulpwood cars, AAR type LP, with bulkheads. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Update - IM Santa Fe Ft-V flat car
gary laakso
The new Richard Hendrickson Santa FE open-top Cars volume shows the 200 cars in the series 91500-91699 were built in 1944 by PSCM. I did not find a date for removal from interchange, you may want to look at some Equipment Registers.
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gary laakso south of Mike Brock vasa0vasa@earthlink.net
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From: cornbeltroute To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: 9/8/2009 12:06:25 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Update - IM Santa Fe Ft-V flat car I just attempted to find basic data on these 70 ton cars through an archive search but failed to find much. Would someone mind informing me about build dates (range of years) for these cars and when they last saw regular interchange service? Thanks much, Brian Brian Chapman Evansdale, Iowa
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Re: ORER QUESTION
So which roads had the spring plank version of the trucks? I
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don't think you made that distinction in earlier emails. I'm guessing PRR is one of them. Thanks Tim
At 9/8/2009 12:24 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:Sorry, Tim. I can't make everybody happy. :>(
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