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Re: gondolas w/ cement cannisters

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Tim - Unless you're doing a partial load you would never see them. If the air-activated containers it's 2 semicircles of wood per container. If rectangular ones it's just wood blocking appropriate to the size and quantity. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: [STMFC] gondolas w/ cement cannisters



Has anyone seen a good photo looking down on one of the D&H
or Lehigh Valley or other gondolas equipped to carry LCL cement
containers? I want to model a couple and I'd like to know what
kind of bracing was used to hold the cannisters in place.

Tim O'Connor


gondolas w/ cement cannisters

Tim O'Connor
 

Has anyone seen a good photo looking down on one of the D&H
or Lehigh Valley or other gondolas equipped to carry LCL cement
containers? I want to model a couple and I'd like to know what
kind of bracing was used to hold the cannisters in place.

Tim O'Connor


Naperville-2009 Hotel Room Share Request ...

gn999gn
 

Greetings All,

I am looking for an individual who may be interested in
having me 'bunk-up' with them ( cost sharing ).

Age 54. Non-smoker. Early sleeper. Neat/considerate.

Feel free to contact me off-site ONLY via e-mail.

Regards,
Ron A. dePierre


Re: WFEX Handbrake

Bill Darnaby
 

Thanks Bill and Tim. I did not think to look in RPC #12 as I did not associate the car with the wartime builds. I did see the handbrake in the photo of FGEX 38387 in Kline/Culotta on pg 118 but I did not want to make the extrapolation to the WFEX cars. I will hunt down a DA 6403.

Bill Darnaby

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:42 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: WFEX Handbrake


Bills, almost all of the visible brake wheels in the RP CYC #12
article are Universal. The style is a 5-spoked design with an
outer ring and an inner ring. In HO scale the closest match is
Detail Associates #6403 (URECO). The Walthers web site lists it
as a UKECO (!!) brake wheel which pretty much ensures that no
one will ever find it. :-) Note that the Kadee Universal brake
wheel is a completely different design.

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/229-6403

Tim O'Connor



These are the Mt. Vernon built cars correct? There should be a "B" end photo in issue #13 (I think) of RP CYC of this car's FGE sibling in my article on the wartime plywood cars. The handbrakes would have been identical.

As with most truck sideframes, my literacy on the names of handbrakes is limited and I rely on Dan Smith, Gene Green, etc for the proper names.

Bill Welch


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Re: WFEX Handbrake

Tim O'Connor
 

Bills, almost all of the visible brake wheels in the RP CYC #12
article are Universal. The style is a 5-spoked design with an
outer ring and an inner ring. In HO scale the closest match is
Detail Associates #6403 (URECO). The Walthers web site lists it
as a UKECO (!!) brake wheel which pretty much ensures that no
one will ever find it. :-) Note that the Kadee Universal brake
wheel is a completely different design.

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/229-6403

Tim O'Connor

These are the Mt. Vernon built cars correct? There should be a "B" end photo in issue #13 (I think) of RP CYC of this car's FGE sibling in my article on the wartime plywood cars. The handbrakes would have been identical.

As with most truck sideframes, my literacy on the names of handbrakes is limited and I rely on Dan Smith, Gene Green, etc for the proper names.

Bill Welch


Re: WFEX Handbrake

Bill Welch
 

Dear Bill

These are the Mt. Vernon built cars correct? There should be a "B" end photo in issue #13 (I think) of RP CYC of this car's FGE sibling in my article on the wartime plywood cars. The handbrakes would have been identical.

As with most truck sideframes, my literacy on the names of handbrakes is limited and I rely on Dan Smith, Gene Green, etc for the proper names.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "william darnaby" <WDarnaby@...> wrote:

Does anyone know what handbrake type was applied to the WFEX 66625-66799 series 1946 built reefers? None of the photos I have show the B end.

Thanks,
Bill Darnaby

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GATX Tank

Bill Darnaby
 

I have a Sunshine GATX Type 30 kit that has Clinton Company decals. The only photo I have shows K brakes. Does anyone know if these cars made it to the AB era?

Thanks,
Bill Darnaby


WFEX Handbrake

Bill Darnaby
 

Does anyone know what handbrake type was applied to the WFEX 66625-66799 series 1946 built reefers? None of the photos I have show the B end.

Thanks,
Bill Darnaby


Re: Radial Course Tank Cars from SC&F

cn528 <jscagle@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Jon

Will you be bringing them to Naperville? yes.
jon

Tim O'


At 9/13/2009 09:35 AM Sunday, you wrote:
Greetings Group:

Noticed some discussion on building radial course tank cars and thought this would be a good time to let everyone know about the new tank cars that are available now. 2 new versions are available. an 8K gallon 5 course radial car, and a 6K gallon 5 course radial car. New roadnames too; NATX, VENX, and AE Staley. Standard Tank Car of course. And we also have a different dome version of the 6 course radial car previously released. Not a side vent, but the more typical top of dome vent.
I will do my best to post a pic this evening of the new cars. Never before available, except in brass.

If you would like to know more, please contact me offlist @ the3dworkshop@... or jscagle@... DO NOT GO TO THE WEB SITE, there is no new info, yet.

jon
SC&F


Re: TLT or Proto of Canada Simplex bolster trucks

Walter Cox
 

Hi Brian, I recently received eight pairs from Central Hobby Supply in
Syracuse. Walt

In a message dated 9/12/2009 9:38:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
brian@bluemoon.net writes:




I am need of a pair of TLT or Proto of Canada Simplex Bolster trucks to
complete a project. My two local dealers can't get them here in Buffalo.


Re: West India Fruit & Steamship #106 and #321

Richard Townsend
 

I'm a little late on this, but the quoted language seems to imply that Cuban cars came to the US, at least as far as the Port of Palm Beach. Hmmm.

With reference to the photo for WIF 106, any suggestions on modeling the door?

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ross McLeod <cdnrailmarine@...> wrote:

I have a West India Fruit & Steamship brochure:
 
"Fast Movement for Perishables
 
Hundreds of carloads of Cuban grown pineapples, as well as other perishables are handled annually over this route. Loaded from fields into railroad cars, the pineapples are reloaded at the Port of Palm Beach into American refrigerator cars"
 
Picture shows three box cars none of which are reefers.  
 
The car ferries ran between Havana and the Port of Palm Beach FL. This was formerly a service operated by the FEC.
 
WIFS had only XM standard 40' boxes.
 
Ross McLeod Calgary  




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WPM (Western Prototype Modelers Meet) This Saturday

dh30973
 

WPM 2009 - Western Prototype Modelers Meet

THIS SATURDAY

New Date and Location
San Bernardino ATSF Depot
Saturday September 19, 2009

The west coast's largest gathering for railroad prototype modelers, now in it's 20th year!

9:00 AM to 6:00 PM
San Bernardino Santa Fe Depot
1170 West Third Street. - San Bernardino, CA 92403

Visit WPM and see hundreds of locomotive, freight and passenger car, caboose, MOW, structure, and vehicle prototype models on display while countless 1:1 scale BNSF and UP trains roll-by just feet from the depot.
Clinics and seminars will be offered throughout the day and operating N Scale "Free-mo" modular layout exhibits are planned. Visit the San Bernardino Historical and Railroad Museum located in the west-end of the depot.
Tons of raffle prizes donated by generous hobby retailers, publishers & model manufacturers will be up for grabs.
Bring your modeling projects, finished, or "in the works". Share ideas and techniques with fellow modelers and meet new friends!

Doors Open at 9:00AM

Scheduled Presentations start at 10:00
10:00 Dick Harley - PFE Mechanical Reefer Painting and Lettering 1953-1980
11:15 Craig Walker & Paul Ellis - From Athearn: What is needed to develop a project
12:15 Mini-Raffle and Lunch Break
1:30 Mike Rose - Creating the Port of Erin and Associated Industries
2:45 Tim Frederick - An overview of modern tank car models released from 2004-2009
4:00 Steve Beales & Bob Freitas - Structure Modeling from the Prototype
5:00 Raffle Round 2

San Bernardino depot is served by both Amtrak and Metrolink. Links to schedules are posted on our web site.
Exhibitors: Manufacturers, photographers and publishers will participate in WPM (Exhibitors: pre-registration is required, contact WPM at the phone number below.)
For updated info on presentations, program, schedule and photos of past meets:
www.WesternPrototypeModelers.org or call Joe D'Elia at 760-721-3393

WPM welcomes modelers of all roads, all scales and eras!

WPM Meet admission PRICE REDUCED: $15.00, or $12.00 if you bring a model(s) to display

Plenty of free parking

Dave Hussey
WPM Committee


Re: Hopper Car with box car roof

rwitt_2000
 

Clark Cooper asked:

Is the Acccurail 3-bay hopper car appropriate for this conversion?

Tim O'Connor answered:

Yes, Accurail's model is better than the Bowser (formerly Stewart)
3-bay triple offset hopper. But the resin roof was made to fit the
Stewart body so I'm not sure it would fit the Accurail car.





The photo provided shows a triple hopper built to ARA standard with
"stepped" off-sets in the end panels and the "hat" braces at the top of
the sides. From other photos I recall that the ATSF did have post WWII
AAR standard, triple hoppers. I don't have Richard's book on Santa Fe
open top cars so is there information indicating that the Santa Fe built
"roofed" hoppers from both types of triple hoppers? For some curious
reason Roundhouse (now Athearn) made a model of the ARA off-set side
triple hopper in N scale, but not HO.

Bob Witt


Re: TLT Slab Side Hoppers

Ian Cranstone
 

On 13-Sep-09, at 7:40 PM, Don Valentine wrote:
The CNR cars began arriving in 1948 and were amongst the first 70 Ton covered hoppers built until Pullman-Standard began building cars of equal capacity in the 1970s. They were initially built exclusively for grain but after the CNR began to receive 100 Ton cars in 1972 they began to be used for other loadings as you suggest and also for salt loading. An interesting note about these cars was that in addition to most having friction bearings they also had split loading gates. Sometime in the early 1980's a fellow was unloading one of them, opened things up on one side and went around to open the other only to have the car turn over on him and kill him. Within a year or two of that occurrence, and in good part because of the repercussions from it, a friend in the CNR Mechanical Dept. gave the order to scrap the few that remained at that time and all were gone by the end of 1984.

I think Don is confusing two different groups of CN covered hoppers. The 1948-built cars were a smaller two-bay 2000 cu. ft. design -- most were converted to open-top ballast hoppers in 1982, with the last unconverted example surviving until 1989. CN's first slab sides were delivered in early 1951 (CP's first car arrived in 1947, with production cars built in late 1948).

The slab side cars lasted longer, with the last examples being retired in 1995, although their numbers did begin to dip significantly in the latter half of the 1980s. I can't speak to the story cited, but can note that as of the January 1985 ORER there were 903 CN slab side cars still listed (of 1,163 built for CN), which then would have varied in age from 23 to 34 years old. By January 1990 303 cars remained (now 28 to 39 years old).

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@nakina.net
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net


Re: Hopper Car with box car roof

David North <davenorth@...>
 

Thanks Robert. I'm grateful for the heads-up. I have that MM.

Steven, I was only going to use the CV roof as the core for

hopper roof as it is moulded with the curve.



Now that Robert has pointed me to the MM article, I'll likely follow that
process.

Again, thanks to everyone for your input.

Cheers

Dave


Re: Hopper Car with box car roof

Steve SANDIFER
 

The CV roofs look different. They are also 12+" wider than the ATSF.
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----- Original Message -----
From: gn3397
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Hopper Car with box car roof


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "David North" <davenorth@...> wrote:

> I have some Central Valley radial roofs, so I think I'll look to modify
> them.
>

> Cheers
>
> Dave North
>
> Sydney
>
> Australia

Dave,
As an alternative, if you have the August 1999 issue of Mainline Modeler, Bob Hundman describes how to scratchbuild the Chicago-Cleveland radial roof that was used on these covered hopper conversions.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Hopper Car with box car roof

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "David North" <davenorth@...> wrote:

I have some Central Valley radial roofs, so I think I'll look to modify
them.
Cheers

Dave North

Sydney

Australia

Dave,
As an alternative, if you have the August 1999 issue of Mainline Modeler, Bob Hundman describes how to scratchbuild the Chicago-Cleveland radial roof that was used on these covered hopper conversions.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: TLT Slab Side Hoppers

riverman_vt <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:

I asked a question a few weeks ago regarding the TLT CP slab side hoppers,
but didn't receive any replies. I've read the messages regarding how nice
these cars are, and I have been going through books and photos to see if
they show up here in the western NY Northwestern Pa area. Thus far I have
been unsuccessful in finding photo documentation, but all that means is they
aren't in photos.

Can anyone enlighten me on why these cars were built for the CN and CP? Were
they intended for soda ash, grain, sand or cement service? I say them in
western New York growing up in the 1980's but were they common visitors to
the US in the 1950's? They are distinctive and I am trying to rationalize
one for the layout, but I want it to have a purpose. being a Canadian car it
wouldn't have been a free runner in the US.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
Hi Brian,

The CNR cars began arriving in 1948 and were amongst the first 70 Ton covered hoppers built until Pullman-Standard began building cars of equal capacity in the 1970s. They were initially built exclusively for grain but after the CNR began to receive 100 Ton cars in 1972 they began to be used for other loadings as you suggest and also for salt loading. An interesting note about these cars was that in addition to most having friction bearings they also had split loading gates. Sometime in the early 1980's a fellow was unloading one of them, opened things up on one side and went around to open the other only to have the car turn over on him and kill him. Within a year or two of that occurrence, and in good part because of the repercussions from it, a friend in the CNR Mechanical Dept. gave the order to scrap the few that remained at that time and all were gone by the end of 1984.

With regard to CPR cars of the type, from the late 1960's until 1984 I used to see a lot of them on the CPR's Lyndonville Subdivision, the former Boston & Maine R.R. track from Newport, Vt. south to Wells River and on down the B&M. These cars always seemed to be for grain shipments, many of which also went into the large K.K. Webster feedmill at Richford, Vt as well.

Hope this info is of value to you, Don Valentine


Re: Radial Course Tank Cars from SC&F

Tim O'Connor
 

Jon

Will you be bringing them to Naperville?

Tim O'

At 9/13/2009 09:35 AM Sunday, you wrote:
Greetings Group:

Noticed some discussion on building radial course tank cars and thought this would be a good time to let everyone know about the new tank cars that are available now. 2 new versions are available. an 8K gallon 5 course radial car, and a 6K gallon 5 course radial car. New roadnames too; NATX, VENX, and AE Staley. Standard Tank Car of course. And we also have a different dome version of the 6 course radial car previously released. Not a side vent, but the more typical top of dome vent.
I will do my best to post a pic this evening of the new cars. Never before available, except in brass.

If you would like to know more, please contact me offlist @ the3dworkshop@aol.com or jscagle@msn.com DO NOT GO TO THE WEB SITE, there is no new info, yet.

jon
SC&F


Re: TLT Slab Side Hoppers

stevelucas3 <stevelucas3@...>
 

Brian--

All that I've read of these cars is that their primary use was for cement service. But some CPR slab-sides were assigned circa December, 1954 to hauling nepheline syenite from a mine in Eastern Ontario (Nephton, near Havelock). The company shipping this product was American Nepheline.

Keith Hansen's "Last Trains From Lindsay" states that this product was "essential to the making of glass".

So, did the CPR (and possibly CN, as well?) cars find their way into the US hauling this product?

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Norman+Laraine Larkin" <lono@...> wrote:

This won't help you with the early 50s, but I have a number of photos of
both CP and CN slab sides at E. Deerfield, Mass. taken in the late 70s-early
80s. I'm afraid I don't know when they first appeared here.
Norm Larkin


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Carlson" <brian@...>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:40 PM
Subject: [STMFC] TLT Slab Side Hoppers


I asked a question a few weeks ago regarding the TLT CP slab side hoppers,
but didn't receive any replies. I've read the messages regarding how nice
these cars are, and I have been going through books and photos to see if
they show up here in the western NY Northwestern Pa area. Thus far I have
been unsuccessful in finding photo documentation, but all that means is
they
aren't in photos.

Can anyone enlighten me on why these cars were built for the CN and CP?
Were
they intended for soda ash, grain, sand or cement service? I say them in
western New York growing up in the 1980's but were they common visitors to
the US in the 1950's? They are distinctive and I am trying to rationalize
one for the layout, but I want it to have a purpose. being a Canadian car
it
wouldn't have been a free runner in the US.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY




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