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Re: gondolas w/ cement cannisters

Charles Hladik
 

Tim,
I thought that Rich Yoder did some of these.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 9/18/2009 8:11:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bigwiggs@bellsouth.net writes:




Tim,

Late to the game here, but Bob Anson has built some in 2-rail O-scale. He
lives up in Jax. Maybe someone on this list knows how to contact him. I
can't find his email address.

Davo in Orlando

-----Original Message-----

1a. gondolas w/ cement cannisters
Posted by: "Tim O'Connor" _timboconnor@timboconnor_
(mailto:timboconnor@comcast.net) cf5250
Date: Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:17 pm ((PDT))

Has anyone seen a good photo looking down on one of the D&H
or Lehigh Valley or other gondolas equipped to carry LCL cement
containers? I want to model a couple and I'd like to know what
kind of bracing was used to hold the cannisters in place.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Rail Graphics decals

Tim O'Connor
 

I don't know -- they recently printed hundreds of decal sheets
for my train club. We also got a bunch printed by Kadee -- very
poor quality IMO.

Tim

At 9/18/2009 03:11 PM Friday, you wrote:
I've sent a couple of e-mails to Rail Graphics decals, to
inquire about artwork preparation, and have not had a reply for some
weeks. I've been sending to: info@railgraphicsdecals.com. Does anyone
know if they have a new address, or perchance are experiencing some
problems?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: JN reweigh symbol on refurbished boxcars

Mark Heiden
 

Hi Chris,

In this case, JN is the symbol for the DT&I shops in Jackson, Ohio, where the work was done.

Mark Heiden

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher" <leakinmywaders@...> wrote:

I'm going to push the envelope on the time frame of the list by just a hair, and am begging the moderator's tolerance as this does concern the disposition of a group of venerable steam era freight cars. The NP's round roof boxcars, ex-DT&I, show reweigh station symbols "JN" at delivery in 1961. Can anyone identify the likely repairer/rebuilder from that symbol?

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Re: UP Freight Conductors' Train Books

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Regarding the UP frt conductor books, Larry sent me copies of two trains. Coincidentally, the trains ran on May 13 and May 14 which is interesting to me since my layout simulates May 14 although, of course, any date in the period May/June works. Anyhow, the eastbound train consists primarily of PFE cars carrying lettuce and peas. Following UP practice as noted in my 1949 books, UP did little car blocking on EBs, the rear of the train containing box cars containing lbr and bottles and one GATX tank car...#970...containing wine interspersed within the PFE cars. I assume the train would be iced at Laramie although I don't know the tempature in Laramie which could be anything within 40� and 75� at the 1135AM arrival time.

One thing that might be interesting is to compare train operation and tonnage between 1938 and 1949. The two 1938 trains were pulled by 3919 and 3926, early 4-6-6-4's, the EB with 73 cars, 3335 tons, in route from Rawlins [ MP 683 ] 6:10AM to Laramie [ MP 566 ] 1010AM, 117 miles, 29.25 mph avg [ 97548 ton miles ] . The WB contained primarily PFE MTs, 74 cars, 1950 tons, in route from 540PM Laramie until 935PM to Rawlins...29.87 MPH [ 58246 ton miles ].

Randomly selected train on April 3, 1949, pulled by late 4-6-6-4 3986, 72 cars, 3585 tons, left Rawlins at 420PM, arrived Laramie at 740PM. 35MPH [ 125475 ton miles ]. And April 9, 1949, WB Big Boy 4018, 93 cars, 3300 tons [ 78 MTs ], left Laramie at 130P, arrived Rawlins 530P...4 hrs, 29.25 mph [ 96525 ton miles ]. Hmmm. On April 21, 1949, diesels 1454, 1450, and 1419 left Laramie at 315P, arrived Rawlins at 720P with 81 cars, 3884 tons. 28.65 mph [ 111288 ton miles/hr ]. April 15, Big Boy 4006 left Laramie at 605P, arrived Rawlins 905P...85 cars, 4152 tons. 39 mph [ 161928 ton miles/hr ].

The winner? Big Boy 4006. While conclusions from these data are extremely unreliable because we have no information regarding track conditions [ read that...other trains that might be in the way ], it IS noteworthy that UP found Big Boys superior to a 3 unit diesel at speeds above 25 mph and late Challengers to be equal to a 3 unit diesel at speeds above 25 mph.

Mike Brock


Re: JN reweigh symbol on refurbished boxcars

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

According to the list here:

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/protoinfomain.html

JN was Johnston Yard on the IC.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher

I'm going to push the envelope on the time frame of the list by just a hair, and am begging the moderator's tolerance as this does concern the disposition of a group of venerable steam era freight cars. The NP's round roof boxcars, ex-DT&I, show reweigh station symbols "JN" at delivery in 1961. Can anyone identify the likely repairer/rebuilder from that symbol?


Rail Graphics decals

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I've sent a couple of e-mails to Rail Graphics decals, to inquire about artwork preparation, and have not had a reply for some weeks. I've been sending to: info@railgraphicsdecals.com. Does anyone know if they have a new address, or perchance are experiencing some problems?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


W&LE Box car question

Dave Lawler
 

Good day all,
Thank you for the replys/info. regarding the "recessed side". Additional information received as well as diagrams and more photos prove that the "recess" is actually a shadow from the full height door stop.
Best regards,
Dave Lawler


Re: UP Freight Conductors' Train Books

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Larry Ostresh wrote:
While rummaging through the attic of the Laramie Depot, I came across a box of Union Pacific Freight Conductors' Train Books. There are 128 of them, mostly from June, 1937, to August, 1938.
Your first sentence, Larry, qualifies as one of the great dramatic sentences ever posted on this list . . . <g> and maybe we will finally have more than snapshot data on freight car movements. More power to you, Larry.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


JN reweigh symbol on refurbished boxcars

leakinmywaders
 

I'm going to push the envelope on the time frame of the list by just a hair, and am begging the moderator's tolerance as this does concern the disposition of a group of venerable steam era freight cars. The NP's round roof boxcars, ex-DT&I, show reweigh station symbols "JN" at delivery in 1961. Can anyone identify the likely repairer/rebuilder from that symbol?

My best guess is JN stands for Bethlehem Steel's Johnstown, PA plant, but I would appreciate any confirmation that this plant was doing rebuilds in the late 1950s-early 60s time frame, or that they used the JN reweigh symbol.

A.A. Morrison of Buffalo, NY, under two or three different corporate monikers, was the broker of these lease deals and owner of the cars, and he used Greenville Steel Car, also of PA, to repair or rebuild other lots of second-hand boxcars.

If anyone has background information on Mr. A.A. Morrison and his business activity I'd be appreciative to learn of it. He appears to be one of the Morrison freight car and steel clan in upstate New York, but operating as something of a free agent in these freight car leasing agreements. He appears to have approached the NP some time around 1959 upon seeing a business opportunity to help alleviate recurring west coast boxcar shortages).

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Re: UP Freight Conductors' Train Books

gary laakso
 

I am expecting confirmation that N&W coal hoppers were regularly used on the UP!

gary laakso
south of Mike "da judge" Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 9/18/2009 12:06:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] UP Freight Conductors' Train Books



Wow, what a gold mine!!

While rummaging through the attic of the Laramie Depot, I came across a box of Union Pacific Freight Conductors' Train Books. There are 128 of them, mostly from June, 1937, to August, 1938.


Re: Cement ContaIner Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Jim, photos must be uploaded to the STMFC web site. You can't
attach them to emails, they won't come through. I've love to
see them!

Tim O'Connor

At 9/18/2009 10:05 AM Friday, you wrote:
Group,
Don't know if these will post on the list, ergo, I copied Mike D--who may
know how to post them.

These are two photos of the bracing on an LV container car--they were
taken by Dick Steinbrenner in Florence Yard about 35 years ago. LV cars were
all converted from regular gons, unlike the DL&W, which had both converted
and purpose-built cars. I've had a number of these cars in service on my
(now DL&W, formerly CNJ/LV) railroad for 30 years or so--

Jim Dalberg
Paoli


Re: UP Freight Conductors' Train Books

Tim O'Connor
 

Wow, what a gold mine!!

While rummaging through the attic of the Laramie Depot, I came across a box of Union Pacific Freight Conductors' Train Books. There are 128 of them, mostly from June, 1937, to August, 1938.


UP Freight Conductors' Train Books

Wendye Ware
 

Hi Folks

While rummaging through the attic of the Laramie Depot, I came across a box of Union Pacific Freight Conductors' Train Books. There are 128 of them, mostly from June, 1937, to August, 1938. I believe that the majority are for the run between Laramie and Rawlins on the UP mainline. All are brittle, but all except one appear to be readable. I'm in the process of transcribing the data from one of them (from 5/13/1938 to 6/21/1938, conductor Ferguson) to an Excel file and hope to have a preliminary analysis complete within a few days. Perhaps the information from these books will shed some light on the issue of freight car distribution. Here is a list of the from/to dates for these books, and the conductor.

From, To, Conductor
7/27/1935, 12/27/1938, Harvey
1/4/1937, 8/5/1937, Tracy
3/12/1937, 6/25/1937, Young
5/4/1937, 6/8/1937, Crall
6/8/1937, 8/15/1937, Crall
6/28/1937, 9/27/1937, Young
7/13/1937, 8/13/1937, Gaskill
8/5/1937, 9/8/1937, Tracy
8/14/1937, 9/25/1937, Gaskill
8/16/1937, 9/15/1937, Sollars
9/26/1937, 10/31/1937, Crall
9/26/1937, 11/7/1937, Gaskill
10/1/1937, 10/30/1937, Marts
10/1/1937, 11/6/1937, Orleans
10/1/1937, 12/27/1937, Young
10/11/1937, 11/19/1937, Helm
10/18/1937, 8/1/1938, Young
11/1/1937, 8/15/1938, Marts
11/2/1937, 12/10/1937, Crall
11/7/1937, 9/6/1938, Orleans
11/8/1937, 12/24/1937, Gaskill
11/13/1937, 12/31/1937, Brackley
11/29/1937, 12/31/1937, Stone
11/29/1937, 12/18/1937, Wallick
12/9/1937, 2/17/1938, Callison
12/10/1937, 12/31/1937, Aukland
12/11/1937, 1/15/1938, Crall
12/19/1937, 12/29/1937, Helm
12/29/1937, 2/5/1938, Gaskill
12/29/1937, 4/18/1938, Young
1/1/1938, 2/22/1938, Stone
1/16/1938, 2/17/1938, Crall
2/6/1938, 3/31/1938, Gaskill
2/18/1938, 3/29/1938, Crall
2/23/1938, 3/29/1938, Stone
2/28/1938, 4/30/1938, Keller
3/5/1938, 4/7/1938, Cameron
3/17/1938, 9/24/1938, Helm
3/18/1938, 4/22/1938, Byrne
3/30/1938, 4/30/1938, Crall
4/4/1938, 5/9/1938, Gaskill
4/17/1938, 6/26/1938, Estes
4/19/1938, 5/14/1938, Vasconcellos
4/27/1938, 6/27/1938, Unknown
5/2/1938, 6/8/1938, Crall
5/4/1938, 9/11/1938, Fraley
5/13/1938, 6/21/1938, Ferguson
5/15/1938, 6/24/1938, Paslicon
5/15/1938, 6/10/1938, Vasconcellos
6/10/1938, 7/11/1938, Crall
6/11/1938, 9/14/1938, Fitz
6/11/1938, 7/18/1938, Vasconcellos
7/12/1938, 8/16/1938, Crall
7/17/1938, 8/20/1938, McCullagh
7/19/1938, 9/2/1938, Vasconcellos
7/28/1938, 8/31/1938, Fredericks
8/3/1938, 10/31/1938, Young
8/4/1938, 9/6/1938, Ferguson
8/6/1938, 9/2/1938, McKaig
8/8/1938, 9/9/1938, Cameron
8/21/1938, 9/25/1938, McCullagh
9/3/1938, 10/6/1938, McKaig
9/4/1938, 10/5/1938, Fredericks
9/4/1938, 10/4/1938, Vasconcellos
9/8/1938, 10/15/1938, Orleans
9/9/1938, 10/5/1938, Callison
9/11/1938, 10/15/1938, Sollars
9/12/1938, 10/18/1938, Fraley
9/13/1938, 10/22/1938, Estes
9/14/1938, 11/21/1938, Estes
9/15/1938, 10/24/1938, Fitz
9/19/1938, 12/31/1938, George
9/25/1938, 10/27/1938, Estes
9/26/1938, 10/31/1938, McCullagh
10/1/1938, 11/1/1938, Bower
10/1/1938, 10/31/1938, Marts
10/5/1938, 11/8/1938, Callison
10/5/1938, 10/31/1938, Vasconcellos
10/6/1938, 11/6/1938, McKaig
10/7/1938, 11/6/1938, Fredericks
10/11/1938, 11/21/1938, Stone
10/15/1938, 11/24/1938, Cameron
10/16/1938, 12/9/1938, Orleans
10/28/1938, 12/30/1938, Estes
10/31/1938, 11/30/1938, Keller
11/1/1938, 12/31/1938, Marts
11/1/1938, 11/23/1938, Vasconcellos
11/1/1938, 2/10/1939,, Young
11/2/1938, 12/26/1938, Stone
11/18/1938, 1/23/1939, Branch
11/19/1938, 1/23/1939, Vasconcellos
11/25/1938, 1/8/1939, Cameron
11/26/1938, 12/31/1938, Aukland
12/1/1938, 12/31/1938, Keller
12/10/1938, 1/17/1939, Callison
12/20/1938, 3/29/1939, Helm
12/23/1938, 2/3/1939, Estes
1/1/1939, 2/1/1939, Aukland
1/1/1939, 5/25/1939, Marts
1/14/1939, 2/22/1939, Bower
1/15/1939, 2/22/1939, Estes
1/17/1939, 2/24/1939, Brackley
1/24/1939, 3/24/1939, Branch
1/28/1939, 3/5/1939, Crall
2/1/1939, 3/1/1939, Aukland
2/6/1939, 3/21/1939, Paslicon
2/13/1939, 6/14/1939, Young
2/24/1939, 3/31/1939, Crout
2/26/1939, 8/12/1939, Lamicha
3/2/1939, 3/31/1939, Aukland
4/1/1939, 5/11/1939, Brackley
4/4/1939, 7/22/1939, Stitt
4/5/1939, 5/6/1939, Vasconcellos
5/3/1939, 6/15/1939, McKaig
5/7/1939, 6/12/1939, Vasconcellos
5/28/1939, 7/4/1939, Gaskill
6/11/1939, 7/11/1939, Helm
6/16/1939, 9/22/1939, Young
6/27/1939, 7/31/1939, Marts
6/29/1939, 8/8/1939, Fraley
7/11/1939, 8/28/1939, Crall
7/12/1939, 8/13/1939, Helm
9/24/1939, 12/22/1939, Young
3/23/1943, 5/8/1943, Estes
10/26/1951, 12/6/1951, Traud
10/13/?, 11/15/?, Cordiner
10/7/?, 11/17/?, Ferguson
9/1/?, 10/9/?, Callison

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: W&LE Box car question

gary laakso
 

It appears to be a vertical bar that serves as a door stop that creates the impression of a recessed side panel. I have seen some pictures of similar door stops on other boxcars.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net

----- Original Message -----
From: al_brown03
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 9/17/2009 11:21:16 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: W&LE Box car question


No authorities having stepped forward, I'll take a guess at it ... maybe I'm misinterpreting the picture, but the car looks to me like a normal 36-footer, except that the doorstop is a timber which runs the full height of the side. The apparent recess looks to me like a shadow.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "dvdlwlr" <davelawler@...> wrote:

Good day all,
Periodically, I go back through my collection of Mainline Modelers and Narrow Gauge Gazettes and re-read them. (get a life, right?) In any case, I tend to find various items of interest that I had overlooked or did not apply to my modeling before.
In the September 1984 issue of MM, page 35, there is a photo of a W&LE double sheathed box car, possibly 36'w/truss rods, next to a freighthouse in Brewster, Ohio. The car appears to have a recess in the side to the right of the door approximately the same size as the door. Is this an early attempt at a flush door that will roll into the recess when open or am I interpreting this old photo wrong? This same photo also appears in John B. Corns book on the Wheeling, Vol. 1 but, it is considerably smaller so, no help there.
Does anyone know anything about these cars? The car number may be 21313
however, it is quite fuzzy in the photo. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks and best regards,
Dave Lawler
Avon Lake, Ohio


Cement ContaIner Cars

Jedalberg
 

Group,
Don't know if these will post on the list, ergo, I copied Mike D--who may
know how to post them.

These are two photos of the bracing on an LV container car--they were
taken by Dick Steinbrenner in Florence Yard about 35 years ago. LV cars were
all converted from regular gons, unlike the DL&W, which had both converted
and purpose-built cars. I've had a number of these cars in service on my
(now DL&W, formerly CNJ/LV) railroad for 30 years or so--

Jim Dalberg
Paoli


Re: Spokane, Portland & Seattle box cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:
But sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. We found the paint scheme in "521 Prototype Lettering Diagrams" published by Wm. K. Walthers, Copyright 1951. While no one has ever accused Walthers decals of being the epitome of accuracy, I'm of the opinion that most things that were done back in the steam era followed some prototype, if for no other reason than it was easier to just copy something seen at trackside rather than having to make it up. Sure enough, a check in the Morning Sun SP&S Color guide uncovers a photo of a six panel SS car in work service. The caption, for what it's worth, says the car is ex-C&NW 122534, which was damaged in a fire. It also states that the car was rebuilt as office car X-285 in 1945, but doesn't say that this was the first use the SP&S put it to.
This is a silly story, Dennis. That single car was never in revenue service for SP&S, nor did Accurail offer it in MOW number(s). And yeah, like the Rutland car, it definitely enhances the reputation of Inaccurail.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: W&LE Box car question

al_brown03
 

No authorities having stepped forward, I'll take a guess at it ... maybe I'm misinterpreting the picture, but the car looks to me like a normal 36-footer, except that the doorstop is a timber which runs the full height of the side. The apparent recess looks to me like a shadow.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "dvdlwlr" <davelawler@...> wrote:

Good day all,
Periodically, I go back through my collection of Mainline Modelers and Narrow Gauge Gazettes and re-read them. (get a life, right?) In any case, I tend to find various items of interest that I had overlooked or did not apply to my modeling before.
In the September 1984 issue of MM, page 35, there is a photo of a W&LE double sheathed box car, possibly 36'w/truss rods, next to a freighthouse in Brewster, Ohio. The car appears to have a recess in the side to the right of the door approximately the same size as the door. Is this an early attempt at a flush door that will roll into the recess when open or am I interpreting this old photo wrong? This same photo also appears in John B. Corns book on the Wheeling, Vol. 1 but, it is considerably smaller so, no help there.
Does anyone know anything about these cars? The car number may be 21313
however, it is quite fuzzy in the photo. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks and best regards,
Dave Lawler
Avon Lake, Ohio


Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit

Paul Lyons
 

Thanks Dennis, Jim had given me the kit numbers earlier, but I am not home to look at those kits.



Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:53 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit







?
?
paul.
? One of the kits is #34.14 BREX78200series Burlington Reefer, and the kit #34.15 WFEX 38'8" Reefer. I hope this helps.?? Thanks Jim for ALL the useful info on your site.?? Dennis Williams (I owed you one!)

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 6:05 PM

?

Paul.
? I do recall that he did a reefer that had all 4 sides molded together.? Just add the roof and floor.? Can not remember which one.? I will see if I can find out. Dennis
?

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, cobrapsl@aol. com <cobrapsl@aol. com> wrote:

From: cobrapsl@aol. com <cobrapsl@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 11:53 AM

?

You guys really have my curosity up as to what kit you are talking about. Bill, if it is a one piece body, it is NOT a Sunshine kit, as Martin has never done any one piece castings, except for the quasi gondolas castings.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay. rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:09 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit

Actually I think they are a Sunshine kits cast as a one piece body. They come with brass foot holds for the roof, and a choice of ice hatch covers.

From the photo I have showing the outside metal roof from a relatively high angle, I determined the number of roof ribs was not correct, so I removed the ones that were cast on and replaced them with strip styrene. I think my two models are still pictured on the Steam Era website. I used a combination of Sunshine, Champ and Terry's decals. Based on a recommendation I saw I think in the MPHS magazine, I used Modelflex D&RGW gold to paint the sides. I built two, one w/fans and still have two unbuilt kits

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, asychis@... wrote:

I am preparing a presentation on ART models for the Missouri Pacific
Historical Society meeting in Omaha. I have two of these models, but
unfortunately did not keep the instructions. Can someone provide me with details on
these kits? I know the numbers series, and have built the models, but I
believe they were modifications of a PFE wood-sided reefer. I'd like to know
how they differ from the PFE car and any other tidbits of information. Do
I have the name right? Has anyone else built the ART version? Want to
send me a photo to include in the talk?

Thanks,

Jerry Michels




ART wood reefers by Terry Wegman

Bill Welch
 

I am sorry my message was poorly worded and created so much confusion. To clarify I hope, Terry took a what I believe was a Sunshine kit, assembled sides, ends and put a roof on it, although I not sure whose roof it was, and cast some for himself and some of us were able to get some. I my case I think I acquired 3 of the 4 kits I ended up with from a friend. These were never distributed widely, and were an insider "friend of Terry's" kind of thing.

There are model photos of ART 20555 and 22428 on the Steam Era Freight Cars website under models built from these castings.

The aforementioned BREX &WFEX Sunshine kits are truss rod kits with double board roofs with side and ends cast as one unit. I used FGE Sunshine sides and scratch built the ends and roof to create the patterns for these.

Bill Welch


Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit

Dennis Williams
 

Paul.
  The kits in question are the #34.14 BREX 78200 , and the 34.15 WFEX 38'8" reefers.  I hope that this helps...   Thanks Mr. Jim Hayes for ALL the useful info on your site.  I owed you one!!!!!   Dennis Williams

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 6:05 PM


 



Paul.
  I do recall that he did a reefer that had all 4 sides molded together.  Just add the roof and floor.  Can not remember which one.  I will see if I can find out. Dennis
 

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, cobrapsl@aol. com <cobrapsl@aol. com> wrote:

From: cobrapsl@aol. com <cobrapsl@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 11:53 AM

 

You guys really have my curosity up as to what kit you are talking about. Bill, if it is a one piece body, it is NOT a Sunshine kit, as Martin has never done any one piece castings, except for the quasi gondolas castings.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay. rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:09 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit

Actually I think they are a Sunshine kits cast as a one piece body. They come with brass foot holds for the roof, and a choice of ice hatch covers.

From the photo I have showing the outside metal roof from a relatively high angle, I determined the number of roof ribs was not correct, so I removed the ones that were cast on and replaced them with strip styrene. I think my two models are still pictured on the Steam Era website. I used a combination of Sunshine, Champ and Terry's decals. Based on a recommendation I saw I think in the MPHS magazine, I used Modelflex D&RGW gold to paint the sides. I built two, one w/fans and still have two unbuilt kits

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, asychis@... wrote:

I am preparing a presentation on ART models for the Missouri Pacific
Historical Society meeting in Omaha. I have two of these models, but
unfortunately did not keep the instructions. Can someone provide me with details on
these kits? I know the numbers series, and have built the models, but I
believe they were modifications of a PFE wood-sided reefer. I'd like to know
how they differ from the PFE car and any other tidbits of information. Do
I have the name right? Has anyone else built the ART version? Want to
send me a photo to include in the talk?

Thanks,

Jerry Michels


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