Ted Culotta/Larry Jackman MIA
ed_mines
Anyone seem or heard from him? News of the double sheathed book?
How about funny man Larry Jackman?
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Re: Modeling UTLX type X and V (was Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars)
Jack Burgess
Dennis wrote:
Since you and Jack have both looked at these cars, what do youBruce's description is right on the money... Jack Burgess www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
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Re: PFE reefer colour schemes
steve l <stevelucas3@...>
It appears that most major roads post-WWII had at least one experimental aluminum-bodied or aluminum-sided boxcar.
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CN had only three out of a fleet of over 40,000 steel 40' boxcars. I need a lot of CN cars for a 1956 grain-hauling road, but one aluminum-sided car alone would stick out from all those CN Red #11 cars in a hurry. Why is it that modellers seem to seek out the unusual to model? Oh, here comes that silver "Cookie Box" again... Steve Lucas.
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
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Re: Commonwealth steel combined end frame and body bolster castings
Dennis Storzek
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Rob, Take another look at that Royalite car on pages 268 - 269 of the 1922 Car Builder's Cyclopedia that we were discussing the other week... The car was built by CC&F in 1921, and the cross sectional views show it has a cast bolster. Not quite as good a photos, and you have to spend some time deciphering the hidden lines, but there's a lot of info in those drawings. Dennis
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Re: Sunshine ART ktis still available?
Don Worthy
I have a 46.9 "steel" and a 14.1 wood side kit. Both are ART reefers.
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Sorry I don't have the numbers that you're looking for. Don Worthy
--- On Tue, 9/22/09, asychis@aol.com <asychis@aol.com> wrote:
From: asychis@aol.com <asychis@aol.com> Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine ART ktis still available? To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 1:07 PM Hi, I was wondering if any list members have a recent Sunshine list and know if kits 46.10-46.12 are still available? Price? I could write Sunshine, but that will take three months or more for an answer. Thanks, Jerry Michels
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Re: Commonwealth steel combined end frame and body bolster castings
Ian Cranstone
On 23-Sep-09, at 11:40 PM, Rob Kirkham wrote:
Likely built by Canadian Car & Foundry, although some earlier tank cars were constructed by CP at their Angus shops. Ian Cranstone Osgoode, Ontario, Canada lamontc@nakina.net http://freightcars.nakina.net http://siberians.nakina.net
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Re: CofG Covered Hoppers
Misc Clark
Lee, nice site... good info! You have some coding errors on the photo links,
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though... Clark Cone
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:03 PM, jjgotrox <railgoat@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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Re: Modeling UTLX type X and V (was Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars)
Roland Levin
Hi Dennis,
I have built 6 of the Precision Scale frame less tank cars. They are very good models. You should buy the version with brass details if you like to avoid fragile details. The parts making up the tank goes well together but you need to work with the seam at the top. It will be noticeable if you just paint the model after assembly. I will try to use this tip when I get more time to fix the seam on my cars. http://www.swannysmodels.com/Seams.html I personally don't like the trucks you get with when you order the model with brass parts but that wouldn't be a problem for you if you are going to convert it to standard gauge. Roland Levin Stockholm, Sweden hem.bredband.net/drgw Från: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] För soolinehistory Skickat: den 24 september 2009 05:10 Till: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Ämne: [STMFC] Re: Modeling UTLX type X and V (was Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars) --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote: Bruce, .... Since you and Jack have both looked at these cars, what do you guys think about the quality? Are the tank moldings decent, and do the fit together well? What do you think about the walkway? Fragile? ..... Dennis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Modeling UTLX type X and V (was Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars)
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Dennis Storzek wrote:
If I find a better way to model one or two of these cars, I'll turn the brass tank into a storage tank at a bulk oil dealer, which is where I found the Van Dyke car I can't locate the photos of. That car didn't have its walkways, either.My exact strategy with Tichy tank car bodies <g>. The frames can be used for other tanks. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Commonwealth steel combined end frame and body bolster castings
Robert kirkham
I'm working on a model of CPR 389000-389049 series tank cars. These were built in 1923 and carried 12,500 gallons. They have a lot of similarities to the Athearn single dome tank, although I'm only harvesting parts from that model for my project. I haven't figured out who the builder was yet.
In any event, I lack sufficient good photos of the body bolster/saddle/end frame area of the car and am struggling to model something credible while peering in the dark. An article in Canadian Railway and Marine World indicates that the cars were equipped with Commonwealth cast steel combined end frame and body bolster castings. These parts included the side sills and tank saddle. So, I am wondering if anyone might have a clue where to find photos or drawings of the castings. It may be that it was a custom casting and not a marketed product, but I thought I would ask. Rob Kirkham
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Re: Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars - now modeling PSC cars
Joseph
The truck is/was a bowser single spring PRR caboose truck- looks like the vaunted "bettendorf" with only one spring under the bolster. I gound out the single spring, then glued in some KD#78 knuckle springs=good nuff.
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Joe Binish
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Burgess" <jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars - now modeling PSC cars Ned wrote:Richard suggested modifying the springs on a Bowser PRR cabooseNo, Tahoe doesn't have a 5' wheelbase truck. I used whatever trucks Richard
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Re: Modeling UTLX type X and V (was Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars)
Dennis asked:
Since you and Jack have both looked at these cars, what do you guys think about theThe castings are nicely detailed. The tanks are molded in 3 pieces, a bottom and 2 side/top pieces. This results in a seam down the top of the car, which is made worse by the rather uneven casting edges and drift angles. A 4th tank piece is inserted in the bottom to help get the bottom and side pieces aligned. Filing and filling the seams will result in an acceptable result, although working around the rivets where the tank sections joined can be a challenge. These are definitely NOT beginner kits<G>. The walkways are styrene and look relatively robust, although like most listers with these kits I have yet to actually complete one <G>... I do have one tank assembled and waiting putty. As has been noted before, you can buy these cars with plastic or brass details... go with the brass! These include PSC's tank car railing stanchions and the unique UTLX sill steps. To summarize, it would be wonderful to have a 21st century tank casting for these cars, but these kits are certainly very viable alternatives to give a rather unusual car (the type V) and the narrow frame car, with almost the same parts is a good place to start the more common type X cars... Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
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Re: Modeling UTLX type X and V (was Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars)
Dennis Storzek
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Bruce, You posted while I was typing before. I'll keep your comment about the "narrow frame" car being a better starting point for a standard gauge class X car in mind. Since you and Jack have both looked at these cars, what do you guys think about the quality? Are the tank moldings decent, and do the fit together well? What do you think about the walkway? Fragile? Downstairs I till have a brass tank PSC imported years ago, and their castings for the tank saddles / bolsters, but it needs walkways, and every time I think I should work on it, I seem to find something else to do. If I find a better way to model one or two of these cars, I'll turn the brass tank into a storage tank at a bulk oil dealer, which is where I found the Van Dyke car I can't locate the photos of. That car didn't have its walkways, either. Dennis
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Re: IM flat cars
Schuyler Larrabee
Thanks, Bruce (and Brian Carlson, off list).
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Re: IM flat cars
On Wed, September 23, 2009 8:57 pm, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Hi,Schuyler, I posted that removing the deck and the tape holding it on and sanding it worked great. Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
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IM flat cars
Schuyler Larrabee
Hi,
I've been away for a while, close to a month. When I left, the new IM flat cars were the subject of heavy discussion, mostly related to the excessive thickness of the applied deck. Mine arrived, and I can see what it was all about. So, my question is, can someone summarize what the best/simplest/most effective/least hassle solution was or is? There was discussion of removing the deck and sanding it thinner, and someone was mooting a replacement deck of the right thickness. What is effective? My efforts with the search function were not particularly useful SGL La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce! E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13330 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Re: Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars
David Sieber
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "soolinehistory" <destorzek@...> wrote:
Unfortunately, those are UTL class V frameless tank cars, when what we could really use in standard guage are the slightly more modern class X frame tank cars. On Precision Scale's website, only those two frameless tank cars in HO (and equivalent frameless HOn3 kits) are shown as currently available - but the "representative photo" for all is a class X tank car with steel frame. In a Classic Freight Car photo book, there's a 1969 photo of UTLX 57801 last shopped by Union Tank Car Co in 11-55; I also have a 1969 Jim Sands photo of UTLX 58041 and 58008. These are in-service photos in normal freight interchange, all with AB brakes and AAR cast steel trucks. There's also your photo of UTLX 11204 lettered for Procor Limited, with AB brakes and archbar trucks, reweighed 10-41. Clearly, some class X cars had extraordinary longevity in the Union Tank Car fleet. I strongly agree with Charlie Vlk, that "Blackstone would be smart to tool a standard gauge cast steel sideframe truck and offer their car to the general HO market. My guess is that the car would outsell the narrow gauge version." As you note, Blackstone is a successful HOn3 niche firm that might be hesitant to do a one-time-only standard guage car; however, as has been suggested, perhaps in partnership with an established HO standard guage freight car manufacturer? Respectfully, Dave Sieber Reno NV
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Re: Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars - now modeling PSC cars
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Ned Carey wrote:
I pulled out Richard Hendrickson's article on the PSC cars. I have seen UTLX cars of this era that had what looks like a spring sticking out perpendicular from the draft gear. Richard mentions this in the article and refers to it as Cardwell draft gear.As usual, RIchard is right. And those springs were on both sides. You can see this in several Cyc entries over the years. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars - now modeling PSC cars
Jack Burgess
Ned wrote:
Richard suggested modifying the springs on a Bowser PRR cabooseNo, Tahoe doesn't have a 5' wheelbase truck. I used whatever trucks Richard suggested in his article (as mentioned in another e-mail, I thought I used Eastern Car Works trucks but I don't have the article anymore). I cut coil springs from some old Athearn trucks Richard gave me (I never owned any Athearn cars and thus didn't have them for cannibalizing). After salvaging a pair of springs, I used them as a master and cast resin copies for all of the trucks. The existing single coil spring was milled out using a special jig to hold the truck side frames. BTW, there was an article on these cars in the July/August 1978 issue of the Narrow Gauge and Shortline Gazette. The article covers by the Van Dyke cars and the narrow framed cars and gives original numbers, dates, etc. The author (Robert Sloan) states "These [the Van Dyke cars] had two types of truck bolsters and were rebuilt by applying pads for narrow gauge slide bearings with special cast steel ASF trucks."....just as Dennis suggested. Jack Burgess www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
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Re: Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars - now modeling PSC cars
Ned Carey <nedspam@...>
I pulled out Richard Hendrickson's article on the PSC cars. I have seen UTLX cars of this era that had what looks like a spring sticking out perpendicular from the draft gear. Richard mentions this in the article and refers to it as Cardwell draft gear.
I don't see this in some of the recent photos posted to the group but it shows clearly in some of the photos from my own collection. It occurs to me that perhaps it was only on one side. Or perhaps this was this something added later. Can anyone supply more info? Richard suggested modifying the springs on a Bowser PRR caboose truck to get an appropriate 5' truck. Does Tahoe Model Works do any 5' trucks? Thank you, Ned Carey
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