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Re: Western Prototype Modelers Meet 2009

jerryglow2
 

Maybe it was a move to redirect the resentment toward him and practices he conducted.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "ken_olson54022" <kwolson@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Dick Harley <dick.harley4up@> wrote:

Tony Thompson wrote:

>>
I guess Tim means that UP took over SP and lots of other roads -- but
the resentment being discussed comes from their efforts to make money
on their copyrights (and to claim copyrights they turned out not to
own).
<<

Actually, being on the UP side of the street, I see modeler
resentment from both factors at work. Certainly, the licensing
program made animosity toward the UP much worse, but it is not the
only reason. As I said, life goes on. Some people harbor bad
feelings and some don't. We're not likely to change that here.

Cheers,
Dick Harley
What I find sort of ironic is that it was the owner of Mike's Train House (MTH) who took on the U.P. and spent HIS time and money getting things resolved. Yet if I can believe the comments that I've read on the web about his HO scale products it's just about the only thing that he's ever done right.....

Ken Olson
Re: Western Prototype Modelers Meet 2009

jerryglow2
 

Don't forget the origin of this meet was the Western PACIFIC in which I suspect a resentment toward the UP. As a MP modeler, I sharred that resentment with a WP modeler friend. We especially resented how they included our merged roads in their copyright scheme even though the heralds and names had for all purposes been retired although they did occasionally use them to keep their use of them "active"

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

I attended the WPM meet yesterday, and was impressed by the large number of well built models of locomotives and freight cars on display. I was struck by the TOTAL lack of any UP equipment (except some "patched SP engines) on display. Are Santa Fe and Southern Pacific modelers more social by nature than the Borg modelers?????
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


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Re: Ted Culotta/Larry Jackman MIA

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

I have had an email from Ted recently. He's still alive and kicking.
Some of life's little issues are getting in the way these days I believe. That's all I can say.
I believe he'll be at Naperville.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:

Anyone seem or heard from him? News of the double sheathed book?

How about funny man Larry Jackman?
GN 40' box car question

Camas74
 

All,
Could someone tell me what type of brake wheel is on the car on the bottom of page 38 of the four ways west GN freight car pictorial, vol 1 (GN 18598)???

And is it available in HO scale???

Thank you,
Matt Sugerman,
Ft. Worth, TX
Re: CofG Covered Hoppers

Lee Gautreaux
 

Clark,

I believe the problem was with the rrpicturearchive server, as it is working now and I didn't change anything.

I'm glad you enjoyed the site. I wish that more people would "adopt" a railroad's freight car fleet and maintain pages for that road. I'd be glad to teach anyone that wants to learn as well as host the pages.

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Lee, nice site... good info! You have some coding errors on the photo links,
though...
Clark Cone
Re: Sunshine ART ktis still available?

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Of course it would have helped if I'd included the URL
www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sunnumericlist.pdf

Jim

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:28 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Sunshine ART ktis still available?

Jerry and others, the most recent list can be found here. It's in reverse
numeric order. If it's on the list, there's a near 100% chance it is
available. If it's not on the list there's a near 100% chance it's not
available. I need to rescan this list as it's a much bigger file than it
should be and is slow to load. I'll have a new list in early November, after
Naperville.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com
Re: Sunshine ART ktis still available?

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Jerry and others, the most recent list can be found here. It's in reverse
numeric order. If it's on the list, there's a near 100% chance it is
available. If it's not on the list there's a near 100% chance it's not
available. I need to rescan this list as it's a much bigger file than it
should be and is slow to load. I'll have a new list in early November, after
Naperville.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com
Ted Culotta/Larry Jackman MIA

ed_mines
 

Anyone seem or heard from him? News of the double sheathed book?

How about funny man Larry Jackman?
Re: Modeling UTLX type X and V (was Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars)

Jack Burgess
 

Dennis wrote:
Since you and Jack have both looked at these cars, what do you
guys think about the quality? Are the tank moldings decent, and
do the fit together well? What do you think about the walkway? Fragile?
Bruce's description is right on the money...

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
Re: PFE reefer colour schemes

steve l <stevelucas3@...>
 

It appears that most major roads post-WWII had at least one experimental aluminum-bodied or aluminum-sided boxcar.

CN had only three out of a fleet of over 40,000 steel 40' boxcars. I need a lot of CN cars for a 1956 grain-hauling road, but one aluminum-sided car alone would stick out from all those CN Red #11 cars in a hurry.

Why is it that modellers seem to seek out the unusual to model? Oh, here comes that silver "Cookie Box" again...

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

michael bishop wrote:
I think (a dangerous thing for me do anymore) that I read somewhere
that PFE had some silver or aluminum ice bunker reefers. Is this
correct, or am I getting my facts mixed up. Thanks for any help.
Yessir. They built exactly two aluminum body cars at a time
when the PFE car fleet was around 40,000 cars. Much as I like PFE and
many PFE model cars as I have, I don't have one of them--they are just
too rare. But hey, model them both if you like.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Re: Commonwealth steel combined end frame and body bolster castings

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:


In any event, I lack sufficient good photos of the body bolster/saddle/end
frame area of the car and am struggling to model something credible while
peering in the dark. An article in Canadian Railway and Marine World
indicates that the cars were equipped with Commonwealth cast steel combined
end frame and body bolster castings. These parts included the side sills
and tank saddle.
Rob,

Take another look at that Royalite car on pages 268 - 269 of the 1922 Car Builder's Cyclopedia that we were discussing the other week... The car was built by CC&F in 1921, and the cross sectional views show it has a cast bolster. Not quite as good a photos, and you have to spend some time deciphering the hidden lines, but there's a lot of info in those drawings.

Dennis
Re: Sunshine ART ktis still available?

Don Worthy
 

I have a 46.9 "steel" and a 14.1 wood side kit. Both are ART reefers.
Sorry I don't have the numbers that you're looking for.
Don Worthy

--- On Tue, 9/22/09, asychis@... <asychis@...> wrote:


From: asychis@... <asychis@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine ART ktis still available?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 1:07 PM


 



Hi, I was wondering if any list members have a recent Sunshine list and
know if kits 46.10-46.12 are still available? Price? I could write Sunshine,
but that will take three months or more for an answer.

Thanks,

Jerry Michels
Re: Commonwealth steel combined end frame and body bolster castings

Ian Cranstone
 

On 23-Sep-09, at 11:40 PM, Rob Kirkham wrote:


I'm working on a model of CPR 389000-389049 series tank cars. These were
built in 1923 and carried 12,500 gallons. They have a lot of similarities
to the Athearn single dome tank, although I'm only harvesting parts from
that model for my project. I haven't figured out who the builder was yet.
Likely built by Canadian Car & Foundry, although some earlier tank cars were constructed by CP at their Angus shops.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net
Re: CofG Covered Hoppers

Misc Clark
 

Lee, nice site... good info! You have some coding errors on the photo links,
though...
Clark Cone

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:03 PM, jjgotrox <railgoat@...> wrote:



Tim,

Fixed. Thanks for the heads up. That's funny, I hardly ever make tpyos.


Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Lee

Thanks for creating the web page. A minor typo on the main page, you list
Re: Modeling UTLX type X and V (was Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars)

Roland Levin
 

Hi Dennis,



I have built 6 of the Precision Scale frame less tank cars. They are very good models. You should buy the version with brass details if you like to avoid fragile details. The parts making up the tank goes well together but you need to work with the seam at the top. It will be noticeable if you just paint the model after assembly. I will try to use this tip when I get more time to fix the seam on my cars.



http://www.swannysmodels.com/Seams.html



I personally don't like the trucks you get with when you order the model with brass parts but that wouldn't be a problem for you if you are going to convert it to standard gauge.



Roland Levin

Stockholm, Sweden

hem.bredband.net/drgw





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Ämne: [STMFC] Re: Modeling UTLX type X and V (was Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars)

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

As has been noted here before, Precision Scale offers a plastic kit
for the UTLX 6500 gallon type V in both HO and HON3. The HO kit does
need some detail changes beyond simply 5' wheelbase trucks to be
correct (following Richard's article), but it is a nice starting
place. Precision Scale also offers an HON3 "narrow frame" version of
this tank car, as apparently, so will Blackstone...
Bruce,

....

Since you and Jack have both looked at these cars, what do you guys think about the quality? Are the tank moldings decent, and do the fit together well? What do you think about the walkway? Fragile?
.....

Dennis



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Re: Modeling UTLX type X and V (was Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:
If I find a better way to model one or two of these cars, I'll turn the brass tank into a storage tank at a bulk oil dealer, which is where I found the Van Dyke car I can't locate the photos of. That car didn't have its walkways, either.
My exact strategy with Tichy tank car bodies <g>. The frames can be used for other tanks.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Commonwealth steel combined end frame and body bolster castings

Robert kirkham
 

I'm working on a model of CPR 389000-389049 series tank cars. These were built in 1923 and carried 12,500 gallons. They have a lot of similarities to the Athearn single dome tank, although I'm only harvesting parts from that model for my project. I haven't figured out who the builder was yet.

In any event, I lack sufficient good photos of the body bolster/saddle/end frame area of the car and am struggling to model something credible while peering in the dark. An article in Canadian Railway and Marine World indicates that the cars were equipped with Commonwealth cast steel combined end frame and body bolster castings. These parts included the side sills and tank saddle.

So, I am wondering if anyone might have a clue where to find photos or drawings of the castings. It may be that it was a custom casting and not a marketed product, but I thought I would ask.

Rob Kirkham
Re: Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars - now modeling PSC cars

Joseph
 

The truck is/was a bowser single spring PRR caboose truck- looks like the vaunted "bettendorf" with only one spring under the bolster. I gound out the single spring, then glued in some KD#78 knuckle springs=good nuff.
Joe Binish

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Burgess" <jack@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars - now modeling PSC cars


Ned wrote:
Richard suggested modifying the springs on a Bowser PRR caboose
truck to get an appropriate 5' truck. Does Tahoe Model Works do
any 5' trucks?
No, Tahoe doesn't have a 5' wheelbase truck. I used whatever trucks Richard
suggested in his article (as mentioned in another e-mail, I thought I used
Eastern Car Works trucks but I don't have the article anymore). I cut coil
springs from some old Athearn trucks Richard gave me (I never owned any
Athearn cars and thus didn't have them for cannibalizing). After salvaging a
pair of springs, I used them as a master and cast resin copies for all of
the trucks. The existing single coil spring was milled out using a special
jig to hold the truck side frames.

BTW, there was an article on these cars in the July/August 1978 issue of the
Narrow Gauge and Shortline Gazette. The article covers by the Van Dyke cars
and the narrow framed cars and gives original numbers, dates, etc. The
author (Robert Sloan) states "These [the Van Dyke cars] had two types of
truck bolsters and were rebuilt by applying pads for narrow gauge slide
bearings with special cast steel ASF trucks."....just as Dennis suggested.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com



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Re: Modeling UTLX type X and V (was Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars)

Bruce Smith
 

Dennis asked:
Since you and Jack have both looked at these cars, what do you guys think about the
quality? Are the tank moldings decent, and do the fit together well? What do you
think about the walkway? Fragile?
The castings are nicely detailed. The tanks are molded in 3 pieces, a bottom and 2
side/top pieces. This results in a seam down the top of the car, which is made
worse by the rather uneven casting edges and drift angles. A 4th tank piece is
inserted in the bottom to help get the bottom and side pieces aligned. Filing and
filling the seams will result in an acceptable result, although working around the
rivets where the tank sections joined can be a challenge. These are definitely NOT
beginner kits<G>. The walkways are styrene and look relatively robust, although like
most listers with these kits I have yet to actually complete one <G>... I do have
one tank assembled and waiting putty. As has been noted before, you can buy these
cars with plastic or brass details... go with the brass! These include PSC's tank
car railing stanchions and the unique UTLX sill steps.

To summarize, it would be wonderful to have a 21st century tank casting for these
cars, but these kits are certainly very viable alternatives to give a rather unusual
car (the type V) and the narrow frame car, with almost the same parts is a good
place to start the more common type X cars...

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
Re: Modeling UTLX type X and V (was Blackstone Models UTLX tank cars)

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

As has been noted here before, Precision Scale offers a plastic kit
for the UTLX 6500 gallon type V in both HO and HON3. The HO kit does
need some detail changes beyond simply 5' wheelbase trucks to be
correct (following Richard's article), but it is a nice starting
place. Precision Scale also offers an HON3 "narrow frame" version of
this tank car, as apparently, so will Blackstone...
Bruce,

You posted while I was typing before. I'll keep your comment about the "narrow frame" car being a better starting point for a standard gauge class X car in mind.

Since you and Jack have both looked at these cars, what do you guys think about the quality? Are the tank moldings decent, and do the fit together well? What do you think about the walkway? Fragile?

Downstairs I till have a brass tank PSC imported years ago, and their castings for the tank saddles / bolsters, but it needs walkways, and every time I think I should work on it, I seem to find something else to do. If I find a better way to model one or two of these cars, I'll turn the brass tank into a storage tank at a bulk oil dealer, which is where I found the Van Dyke car I can't locate the photos of. That car didn't have its walkways, either.

Dennis