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Re: Wabash/Ann Arbor rebuilt box cars

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

That sounds about right for what I saw. I think it would be pretty simple to model. Just sand/file the corners of the side panels to an approximate 1" by 45 degree angle, and then glue the sides to the ends with the ends flush with the angle. Does anyone make 7/8 ends for double sheathed cars? Otherwise, it wouldn't be too hard to cut and paste some Tichy USRA DS ends.

Regards,
Phil

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Phil, in the photos I've seen, there is about a 1" difference
in width and indeed the side panel looks kind of bent over to
fill the small gap. I don't think the model from Sunshine tries
to mimic this, even though it wouldn't be difficult as long as the
end was not as wide as the body.

Tim O'Connor



Group, I just passed through a town called St. John, Michigan, and sitting behind the depot was one of the Wabash steel sided rebuilt cars. There was no number on it, naving been repainted in AA MOW black, however it was from a series which had 7/8 Murphy ends, rectangular panel roof, and four panels each side of the door. What I found interesting was the way they treated the joint between the ends and the side panels. Magazine photos I've seen make one think that the ends are the same width as the external dimensions of the sides; that they either built the ends out, or the overall width of the cars remained the same as the original DS wood sided cars that these were converted from. However, a visual inspection shows that the 7/8 ends remained at the original width, and the side panels were the width of a 1937 standard car. The difference in width was accomodated by having the side panels bend inward at what appeared to be an approximate 45 degree angle.

Just a trivial point, but interesting to see, nonetheless!

Regards,
Phil Buchwald


Re: Western Prototype Modelers Meet 2009

dh30973
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

I attended the WPM meet yesterday, and was impressed by the large number of well built models of locomotives and freight cars on display. I was struck by the TOTAL lack of any UP equipment (except some "patched SP engines) on display. Are Santa Fe and Southern Pacific modelers more social by nature than the Borg modelers?????
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


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Apparently Andy wasn't too observant. As on the next aisle over from where he had his model was the work of several folks that included about a dozen UP Diesels. Granted that pailed with the numbers of other roads, but they were represented.

NO N&W hoppers, that I saw.

For those that missed the references to the photo albums of the greater than 1000 models that were on display
Dave Hussey's "Official" Album:
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/wpm2009
Harry Wong's
http://www.pbase.com/tracktime/wpm2009&page=all
And
Robby's Album:
http://www.pbase.com/mrmrl/wpm2009

Unfortunately all the Pbase site is down due to some sort of power failure.

Dave Hussey


Re: GN 40' box car question

David Sieber
 

Elden, What you get for your $5 is three sprues as shown on the CNWHS Company Store website, each with one Superior brakewheel and one handbrake mechanism consisting of the HB gear housing, chain and connecting rod with bottom clevis to connect with the bell crank at the bottom of the car end. Thus, you get a total of three complete HB sets to equip three tall cars.
Regards, Dave Sieber, Reno NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
Dave; Does "3 parts per package" mean 3 sprues containing a total of 3 wheels, all for $5, or one sprue for $5 that has 3 parts on it, one of which is a brake wheel? Thanks for this heads-up, also! Elden Gatwood

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ealabhan0
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:38 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GN 40' box car question



Gentlemen,
The Superior handbrake wheel and mechanism detail set is available from the
Chicago & North Western Historical Society, which first had Red Caboose do
them for a special run of M&StL box cars (sold out). The Society still orders
special runs of the Superior HB sprue for their Company Store, three sets for
$5, shipping included. I ordered some a couple of months ago, and they are
just beautiful. The CNWHS Company Store website is
http://www.cnwhs.org/shopping/index.php
<http://www.cnwhs.org/shopping/index.php>
Hope this helps,
Dave Sieber,
Reno NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim O'Connor
<timboconnor@> wrote:
Appears to be a Superior brake wheel. Red Caboose produced a separate detail
parts package 8000-13 with this brake wheel and housing but I don't know if
it's still available. Tim O'Connor

At 9/25/2009 07:44 AM Friday, Matt Sugarman wrote:
All, Could someone tell me what type of brake wheel is on the car on the
bottom of page 38 of the four ways west GN freight car pictorial, vol 1 (GN
18598)??? And is it available in HO scale??? Thank you, Matt Sugerman, Ft.
Worth, TX


Re: Wabash/Ann Arbor rebuilt box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Phil, in the photos I've seen, there is about a 1" difference
in width and indeed the side panel looks kind of bent over to
fill the small gap. I don't think the model from Sunshine tries
to mimic this, even though it wouldn't be difficult as long as the
end was not as wide as the body.

Tim O'Connor

Group, I just passed through a town called St. John, Michigan, and sitting behind the depot was one of the Wabash steel sided rebuilt cars. There was no number on it, naving been repainted in AA MOW black, however it was from a series which had 7/8 Murphy ends, rectangular panel roof, and four panels each side of the door. What I found interesting was the way they treated the joint between the ends and the side panels. Magazine photos I've seen make one think that the ends are the same width as the external dimensions of the sides; that they either built the ends out, or the overall width of the cars remained the same as the original DS wood sided cars that these were converted from. However, a visual inspection shows that the 7/8 ends remained at the original width, and the side panels were the width of a 1937 standard car. The difference in width was accomodated by having the side panels bend inward at what appeared to be an approximate 45 degree angle.

Just a trivial point, but interesting to see, nonetheless!

Regards,
Phil Buchwald


Wabash/Ann Arbor rebuilt box cars

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

Group, I just passed through a town called St. John, Michigan, and sitting behind the depot was one of the Wabash steel sided rebuilt cars. There was no number on it, naving been repainted in AA MOW black, however it was from a series which had 7/8 Murphy ends, rectangular panel roof, and four panels each side of the door. What I found interesting was the way they treated the joint between the ends and the side panels. Magazine photos I've seen make one think that the ends are the same width as the external dimensions of the sides; that they either built the ends out, or the overall width of the cars remained the same as the original DS wood sided cars that these were converted from. However, a visual inspection shows that the 7/8 ends remained at the original width, and the side panels were the width of a 1937 standard car. The difference in width was accomodated by having the side panels bend inward at what appeared to be an approximate 45 degree angle.

Just a trivial point, but interesting to see, nonetheless!

Regards,
Phil Buchwald


Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

gary laakso
 

Has anyone else found that the floor does not fit any of the dimensions of the body, that it just falls inside? The floor piece is shorter and much more narrow then the cavity it is suppose to fill. LOL, how can a 36 foot long boxcar have a 34 foot long floor casting? Has anyone added styrene to get the floor to fit as opposed to sink inside the body? I have not a floor so small before!


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net


Waite Phillips Oil Company tank cars

rim_line <ehiser@...>
 

Folks:
Is anyone aware of any photos of Waite Phillips Oil Company tank cars (reporting marks WPHX) and dimensional data for the same? Help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ


Re: GN 40' box car question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Dave;

Does "3 parts per package" mean 3 sprues containing a total of 3 wheels, all
for $5, or one sprue for $5 that has 3 parts on it, one of which is a brake
wheel?

Thanks for this heads-up, also!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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ealabhan0
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:38 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GN 40' box car question



Gentlemen,
The Superior handbrake wheel and mechanism detail set is available from the
Chicago & North Western Historical Society, which first had Red Caboose do
them for a special run of M&StL box cars (sold out). The Society still orders
special runs of the Superior HB sprue for their Company Store, three sets for
$5, shipping included. I ordered some a couple of months ago, and they are
just beautiful. The CNWHS Company Store website is
http://www.cnwhs.org/shopping/index.php
<http://www.cnwhs.org/shopping/index.php>
Hope this helps,
Dave Sieber,
Reno NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim O'Connor
<timboconnor@...> wrote:
Appears to be a Superior brake wheel. Red Caboose produced a separate detail
parts package 8000-13 with this brake wheel and housing but I don't know if
it's still available. Tim O'Connor

At 9/25/2009 07:44 AM Friday, Matt Sugarman wrote:
All, Could someone tell me what type of brake wheel is on the car on the
bottom of page 38 of the four ways west GN freight car pictorial, vol 1 (GN
18598)??? And is it available in HO scale??? Thank you, Matt Sugerman, Ft.
Worth, TX


Tank car help

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I'm not much on tank cars. We're trying to find out what types of cars these were. They were purchased by the M&StL in the early 40s for weed sprayer service. Here's what Gene Green was able to provide. Any help of what to use for a model would be much appericated,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
MOW # ORIG #
===================
X-822 - WTKX 957
X-821 - RMX 167
X-820 - RMX 156
X-823 - WTKX 866

MOW # BLT
X-822 - 3-17
X-821 - 4-17
X-820 - 6-16
X-823 - 3-17

MOW # AAR CLASS
X-822 - TM II
X-821 - TM III
X-820 - TM II
X-823 - TM II

MOW # LT WT
X-822 - 37,000
X-821 - 40,400
X-820 - 35,800
X-823 - 40,200

MOW # CAPY
X-822 - 60,000
X-821 - 80,000
X-820 - 60,000
X-823 - 80,000

MOW # DOME
X-822 - 255 gals.
X-821 - 255 gals.
X-820 - 164 gals.
X-823 - 268 gals.

MOW # GALS.
X-822 - 8076
X-821 - 8217
X-820 - 8072
X-823 - 8094

MOW # MAX PRESS
X-822 - 60 lbs.
X-821 - 60 lbs.
X-820 - 60 lbs.
X-823 - 60 lbs.

MOW # SAFETY
X-822 - 25 lbs.
X-821 - 25 lbs.
X-820 - 25 lbs.
X-823 - 25 lbs.

MOW # TRUCKS
X-822 - 5x9 Bettendorf
X-821 - no info
X-820 - 5x9 Bettendorf
X-823 - no info

MOW # LENGTH
X-822 - no info
X-821 - no info
X-820 - no info
X-823 - 35'-11"

MOW # DRAFT GEAR
X-822 - Cardwell G-11
X-821 - Cardwell G-25
X-820 - Cardwell G-11
X-823 - Cardwell G-11-A

MOW # REC'D PEORIA
X-822 - May 23, 1942
X-821 - May 24, 1942
X-820 - May 26, 1942
X-823 - June 4, 1942

MOW # REMARKS
X-822 - Orig equipped w/Andrews 4.5x8 trucks
X-821 - no info
X-820 - Orig equipped w/Andrews 4.5x8 trucks
X-823 - No truck change


Re: GN 40' box car question

David Sieber
 

Gentlemen,
The Superior handbrake wheel and mechanism detail set is available from the Chicago & North Western Historical Society, which first had Red Caboose do them for a special run of M&StL box cars (sold out). The Society still orders special runs of the Superior HB sprue for their Company Store, three sets for $5, shipping included. I ordered some a couple of months ago, and they are just beautiful. The CNWHS
Company Store website is http://www.cnwhs.org/shopping/index.php
Hope this helps,
Dave Sieber,
Reno NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Appears to be a Superior brake wheel. Red Caboose produced a separate detail parts package 8000-13 with this brake wheel and housing but I don't know if it's still available. Tim O'Connor

At 9/25/2009 07:44 AM Friday, Matt Sugarman wrote:
All, Could someone tell me what type of brake wheel is on the car on the bottom of page 38 of the four ways west GN freight car pictorial, vol 1 (GN 18598)??? And is it available in HO scale??? Thank you, Matt Sugerman, Ft. Worth, TX


Re: Western Prototype Modelers Meet 2009

Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
 

Jerry Glow wrote:
 
"We especially resented how they included our merged roads in their copyright scheme even though the heralds and names had for all purposes been retired although they did occasionally use them to keep their use of them "active"

UP actually hurt their protectable interest (if any) in the CNW, SP, and DRGW schemes by "patching" the motive power from these roads, which I'd say is rebuttable evidence of an intent to abandon these trademarks.  Although UP freight cars of predecessor roads dating back to the acquisitions of MP and WP are still out there in good numbers, this is clearly due to the logistics of repainting an entire freight car fleet vs. an intent to "honor the fallen flag", and could presumably be proven with internal documentation in regards to the guidelines to repaint freight cars, or depositions of supervisory staff familiar with these procedures.
 
If anything, UP seemed to get "nostalgic" after they figured this out and started keeping a few token units and painting the SD70ACe's in the "Heritage" schemes, notably in "hybrid" paint schemes in what appears to be an attempt to protect multiple paint schemes of a road on a single unit.  (This would have been a great topic to cover in law school during our Trademarks and Copyrights course.)
 
I'll join the ranks of people having contempt for "the Borg" litigating what I consider to be frivolous claims against smaller companies that don't have the resources to defend these suits, and subsequently turning around and having their in-house attorney gripe when I filed a cross-claim against them for contribution in a Small Claims property damage suit (about $2,000.00 if I remember correctly) filed against both one of their employees driving a company truck and our client, driving a different vehicle.  (The subsequent attorney assigned to the file was a very reasonable person, and I never had a problem with him)  I also called them out once for trespassing on my property (company truck in driveway of our condo building), which at that time, was adjacent to their former CNW mainline.
 
On the other hand, UP played a big role even in the pre-merger CNW that I grew up with and model, so a "boycott" of UP would be pretty much impossible for me unless I switched roads.
 
CJM

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Re: GN 40' box car question

Tim O'Connor
 

Matt

Appears to be a Superior brake wheel. Red Caboose produced a
separate detail parts package 8000-13 with this brake wheel and
housing but I don't know if it's still available.

Tim O'Connor

At 9/25/2009 07:44 AM Friday, you wrote:
All,
Could someone tell me what type of brake wheel is on the car on the bottom of page 38 of the four ways west GN freight car pictorial, vol 1 (GN 18598)???

And is it available in HO scale???

Thank you,
Matt Sugerman,
Ft. Worth, TX


Re: Western Prototype Modelers Meet 2009

Tim O'Connor
 

I wouldn't read anything into the WPM meet model displays -- UP is
very popular with many modelers and Walthers just announced a batch
of UP passenger trains. California has always been home to a bevy of
SP and ATSF modelers, with WP and UP running well behind. I remember
going to an NMRA regional in Austin TX in 1989 and over 90% of the
models on display were SP even though Austin was on the MP mainline
to Mexico and MKT ran through there too. And the layout tours featured
GN and ATSF but no SP layouts. Go figure.

Tim O'Connor

Maybe it was a move to redirect the resentment toward him and practices he conducted.
Jerry Glow


SC&F 5 course radial tank cars

cn528 <jscagle@...>
 

Good Morning Gang:

Been trying to load up a couple of images of the new 5 course radial tank cars. Last night was unsuccesful. Resized the images and tried them again, the note said they were waiting approval.

I will check back later and see if it works.

Also, a note on the website. Still under construction but making progress. I believe by next week we should have some obvious errors fixed and going in the proper direction. Thank you for your all patience.

jon


Re: Western Prototype Modelers Meet 2009

jerryglow2
 

Maybe it was a move to redirect the resentment toward him and practices he conducted.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ken_olson54022" <kwolson@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Dick Harley <dick.harley4up@> wrote:

Tony Thompson wrote:

>>
I guess Tim means that UP took over SP and lots of other roads -- but
the resentment being discussed comes from their efforts to make money
on their copyrights (and to claim copyrights they turned out not to
own).
<<

Actually, being on the UP side of the street, I see modeler
resentment from both factors at work. Certainly, the licensing
program made animosity toward the UP much worse, but it is not the
only reason. As I said, life goes on. Some people harbor bad
feelings and some don't. We're not likely to change that here.

Cheers,
Dick Harley
What I find sort of ironic is that it was the owner of Mike's Train House (MTH) who took on the U.P. and spent HIS time and money getting things resolved. Yet if I can believe the comments that I've read on the web about his HO scale products it's just about the only thing that he's ever done right.....

Ken Olson


Re: Western Prototype Modelers Meet 2009

jerryglow2
 

Don't forget the origin of this meet was the Western PACIFIC in which I suspect a resentment toward the UP. As a MP modeler, I sharred that resentment with a WP modeler friend. We especially resented how they included our merged roads in their copyright scheme even though the heralds and names had for all purposes been retired although they did occasionally use them to keep their use of them "active"

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

I attended the WPM meet yesterday, and was impressed by the large number of well built models of locomotives and freight cars on display. I was struck by the TOTAL lack of any UP equipment (except some "patched SP engines) on display. Are Santa Fe and Southern Pacific modelers more social by nature than the Borg modelers?????
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


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Re: Ted Culotta/Larry Jackman MIA

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

I have had an email from Ted recently. He's still alive and kicking.
Some of life's little issues are getting in the way these days I believe. That's all I can say.
I believe he'll be at Naperville.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:

Anyone seem or heard from him? News of the double sheathed book?

How about funny man Larry Jackman?


GN 40' box car question

Camas74
 

All,
Could someone tell me what type of brake wheel is on the car on the bottom of page 38 of the four ways west GN freight car pictorial, vol 1 (GN 18598)???

And is it available in HO scale???

Thank you,
Matt Sugerman,
Ft. Worth, TX


Re: CofG Covered Hoppers

Lee Gautreaux
 

Clark,

I believe the problem was with the rrpicturearchive server, as it is working now and I didn't change anything.

I'm glad you enjoyed the site. I wish that more people would "adopt" a railroad's freight car fleet and maintain pages for that road. I'd be glad to teach anyone that wants to learn as well as host the pages.

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Lee, nice site... good info! You have some coding errors on the photo links,
though...
Clark Cone


Re: Sunshine ART ktis still available?

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Of course it would have helped if I'd included the URL
www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sunnumericlist.pdf

Jim

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim
& Lisa Hayes
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:28 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Sunshine ART ktis still available?

Jerry and others, the most recent list can be found here. It's in reverse
numeric order. If it's on the list, there's a near 100% chance it is
available. If it's not on the list there's a near 100% chance it's not
available. I need to rescan this list as it's a much bigger file than it
should be and is slow to load. I'll have a new list in early November, after
Naperville.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

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