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Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

StephanP <sparachuk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "StephanP" <sparachuk@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@> wrote:

Has anyone else found that the floor does not fit any of the dimensions of the body, that it just falls inside? The floor piece is shorter and much more narrow then the cavity it is suppose to fill. LOL, how can a 36 foot long boxcar have a 34 foot long floor casting? Has anyone added styrene to get the floor to fit as opposed to sink inside the body? I have not a floor so small before!


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
Gary: Sorry to be so slow replying to your post but if you are going to try salvaging the floor casting, you will likely have to cut it in three pieces. That way you can ensure the bolsters will be in the right place. I've had floor castings too long before and I couldn't just cut them shorter. Your situation sounds familiar as well. You can't just add a foot to each. Good luck.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto
Gary: I thought maybe the letter made more sense without the errors.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

StephanP <sparachuk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

Has anyone else found that the floor does not fit any of the dimensions of the body, that it just falls inside? The floor piece is shorter and much more narrow then the cavity it is suppose to fill. LOL, how can a 36 foot long boxcar have a 34 foot long floor casting? Has anyone added styrene to get the floor to fit as opposed to sink inside the body? I have not a floor so small before!


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
Gary: Sorry to be so slow replying to your post but if you are going to try salvaging the floor casting, you will likely have to cut it in three pieces. That way you can ensure the bolsters will be in the right place. I've had floor casting too long before and I couldn't just cut them shorter. Your situation sounds familiar as well. You can't just a foot to each. Good luck.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


Re: Sunshine ART ktis still available?

Rich C
 

Jerry, They are still available. My list is dated July 2009.
 
Rich

--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Don Worthy <don_worthy@...> wrote:


From: Don Worthy <don_worthy@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sunshine ART ktis still available?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 10:16 AM


 



I have a 46.9 "steel" and a 14.1 wood side kit. Both are ART reefers.
Sorry I don't have the numbers that you're looking for.
Don Worthy

--- On Tue, 9/22/09, asychis@aol. com <asychis@aol. com> wrote:

From: asychis@aol. com <asychis@aol. com>
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine ART ktis still available?
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 1:07 PM

 

Hi, I was wondering if any list members have a recent Sunshine list and
know if kits 46.10-46.12 are still available? Price? I could write Sunshine,
but that will take three months or more for an answer.

Thanks,

Jerry Michels



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Re: 1900 Stuyvesant Docks Yard Photo - New Orleans

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I wrote:

Tony, the first car on the third track from the left was once a
LaBelle Woodworking kit. I built one when I was about 15, and it's
the first time I've seen a photo of the model. Still have it, and
it's held up well all these years. Nice to see if it had a real
prototype and that it's pretty close.
I'm no expert on LaBelle, but every kit of theirs that I've
looked into was authentic.

Tony Thompson
That's been my impression. Geez, I was a little spaced out this afternoon (up late last night) when
I wrote that. Obviously, I meant it was the first time I'd seen a photo of the PROTOTYPE!

SGL






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Re: 1900 Stuyvesant Docks Yard Photo - New Orleans

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tony, the first car on the third track from the left was once a LaBelle Woodworking kit. I built one when I was about 15, and it's the first time I've seen a photo of the model. Still have it, and it's held up well all these years. Nice to see if it had a real prototype and that it's pretty close.
I'm no expert on LaBelle, but every kit of theirs that I've looked into was authentic.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: 1900 Stuyvesant Docks Yard Photo - New Orleans

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Tony, the first car on the third track from the left was once a LaBelle Woodworking kit. I built
one when I was about 15, and it's the first time I've seen a photo of the model. Still have it, and
it's held up well all these years. Nice to see if it had a real prototype and that it's pretty
close.

SGL


I just had to cross post this from the LRMRG list. It is a great photo of an IC steam switcher
with lots of neat freight
cars in the background. Along with lots of ICRR cars, I see the end of a GH&SA car as well. Thanks
to Tony Howe for
posting.

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/ <http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/>

Guys,

There's a great early photo of Illinois Central's Stuyvesant Docks Yard in New
Orleans with an 0-6-0 and crew on Shorpy at

http://www.shorpy.com/node/6855?size=_original <http://www.shorpy.com/node/6855?size=_original>

Tony Howe




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Re: Commonwealth steel combined end frame and body bolster castings

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Dennis, but while the Royalite car drawings do offer some help, they also differ quite a bit from the CPR cars I'm modelling. The CPR cars had a single cast part that served as bolster and saddle for the tank, not separate pieces. Also, the end sills have a comparatively massive cast in place draft gear box. I can go a far distance working from photos, but would like to see something more detailed if possible.

Rob Kirkham

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Commonwealth steel combined end frame and body bolster castings

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In any event, I lack sufficient good photos of the body bolster/saddle/end
frame area of the car and am struggling to model something credible while
peering in the dark. An article in Canadian Railway and Marine World
indicates that the cars were equipped with Commonwealth cast steel combined
end frame and body bolster castings. These parts included the side sills
and tank saddle.
Rob,

Take another look at that Royalite car on pages 268 - 269 of the 1922 Car Builder's Cyclopedia that we were discussing the other week... The car was built by CC&F in 1921, and the cross sectional views show it has a cast bolster. Not quite as good a photos, and you have to spend some time deciphering the hidden lines, but there's a lot of info in those drawings.

Dennis


Re: Commonwealth steel combined end frame and body bolster castings

Robert kirkham
 

I thought I'd try to do a little more research on this subject by searching Google books. There one finds this phrase in Railway Age, September 3, 1927, p.450. Unfortunately Google only shows the header of the page and not the comment in which the phrase is used citing copyright issues, so it is difficult to guage its usefulness.

According to the Google search, the phrase is repeated in a 1930 volume of Railway Age - but Google won't even let me see the header to pick up a month or page number.

There is another mystifying reference to 1925 Railway Age, but here Google won't even summarise the content stating it is "restricted".

Bizarre!

Anyway, since 1923 is the date the car I'm modelling was built, I'd like to have a look at these references - whether they turn out to be a dead end or not....

Since the local libraries collection of Railway Age only goes back to 1929, I'm wondering if anyone knows an effective way to follow these leads from my home here in Vancouver.

Rob Kirkham


1900 Stuyvesant Docks Yard Photo - New Orleans

Lee Gautreaux
 

I just had to cross post this from the LRMRG list. It is a great photo of an IC steam switcher with lots of neat freight cars in the background. Along with lots of ICRR cars, I see the end of a GH&SA car as well. Thanks to Tony Howe for posting.

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/




Guys,

There's a great early photo of Illinois Central's Stuyvesant Docks Yard in New
Orleans with an 0-6-0 and crew on Shorpy at

http://www.shorpy.com/node/6855?size=_original

Tony Howe


Foundry Symbol : Who used X in Shield??

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Does anyone recognize the 1940's era foundry symbol shown in the second column here:

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/sGS-Stt46zN1L7Tvw_-2PdhdeVoREQZ7ha34WLaKa8DediwK6Rm10H9byN_B5_yWfP2ElDAb8sj__IpM7fFluFIhZ1lbIeE_3-ib/Unknown%20Foundry%20Symbols.doc

It is an X in a shield. I have a foundry association handbook but it doesn't list the foundry using this symbol. Perhaps you've seen in an ad in Railway Age, in a CBC, or on a truck frame or coupler?

Thanks in advance,
KL


Re: Western Prototype Modelers Meet 2009

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Carl J. Marsico wrote:
UP actually hurt their protectable interest (if any) in the CNW, SP, and DRGW schemes by "patching" the motive power from these roads, which I'd say is rebuttable evidence of an intent to abandon these trademarks.
Our attorney explained to me that this is called "constructive abandonment," meaning actively working to expunge a trademark, not merely abandoning it by ceasing to use it. It's an even harder abandonment to recover from, but that didn't inhibit UP's hired lawyers (they didn't use their in-house guys, who mostly rolled their eyes about this topic). We know how that turned out.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Class V tank car trucks

Charles Morrill
 

The recent thread on these cars mentioned the trucks used were 5' wheel base including the later cast sideframe replacements. There are a couple of photos of a tank car derailment in the book 'Rails to the Artesian Belt' by FA Schmidt. The tank cars are lettered for the Pioneer Oil & Refining Co. One of them, PNRX 104, appears to be a class V 6500 gal. tank car and clearly has Andrews type trucks. Would the Andrews trucks be 5' wheel base?

I used the Grandt Line On3 kit, San Juan Andrews trucks, and custom lettering for my standard gauge model of this car. It was several years ago, but I think it was a pretty simple conversion.
Charlie


Conductor Fraley’s Train Book, Sept-Oct, 1938

Wendye Ware
 

Hi Folks

I recently found 128 Union Pacific Freight Conductors' Train Books in the attic of the Laramie Depot, and earlier summarized the contents of Conductor Ferguson's Train Book, May-June, 1938.

Herein is a summary report on UP Conductor Fraley's Train Book, September 12 to October 18, 1938. During this time, Conductor Fraley rode 43 trains between Laramie (MP 566) and Rawlins (MP 683), Wyoming, on the UP mainline. Twenty-two trains were westbound, and the remaining 21 were headed east. The trains consisted of a total of 2,648 cars, and Fraley listed the railroad name and number of 2,510 of them, in most cases recording the contents and destinations as well.

Twenty-two trains were pulled by 4-6-6-4 engines in the 3900 series. Seventeen were led by 4-12-2s in the 9000 series. Two trains were headed by 2-8-2s, and the motive power was not listed for two others. On September 12, after leaving Rawlins and traveling 21 miles, eastbound engine 3916 overheated and was replaced by UP 3908. Fraley rode behind 3916 on three more occasions without incident.

The longest train had 89 cars, the shortest 9; the average was about 62 cars. In total, 2648 cars were hauled, 1975 with loads, and 664 empty. Eastbound, 1367 cars were pulled, 1270 loaded, 97 empty. The longest train had 87 cars, the shortest 17, and the average was 65 cars. Westbound, there were 1281 cars, 705 with loads, 567 empty. The longest train was 89 cars, the shortest was 9, and the average was 58. Three entire westbound trains, of lengths 69, 72, and 78 cars, consisted entirely of empties. Eight westbound trains and one eastbound had more empties than loads. In these nine trains, 3 of which were entirely empty, there were 91 loads and 581 empties. Most of the empties were PFE reefers headed west.

Fraley listed the ownership for 2510 cars. The most common eastbound cars were PFE reefers, followed by various types of UP cars. In decreasing order of frequency, ownership of the eastbound cars was:

Most common eastbound cars, all types:
Railroad, number of cars
PFE 736
UP 277
MDT 38
CNW 35
NYC 24
CB&Q 22
UTLX 18
SLSF 17
SP 16
MILW 14
PRR 13
ART 8
NRC 8 (Northern Refrigerator Line)
RI 8
URT 8 (URTX?)
MC 7
MP 7
KCS 6
REx 6 (Railway Express)
UCR 6 (Utah Coal)
ATSF 5
MSCX 5 (Mather Stock Car Co.)
WP 5
Others 78
Total 1367

Westbound ownership was as follows:

Most common westbound cars, all types:
Railroad, number of cars
PFE 400
UP 256
NYC 41
UTL 36 (UTLX? If so, then UTLX = 38 cars)
CB&Q 30
SP 29
MILW 29
PRR 24
GTW 16
WGL 14 (Initials hard to read; contents oil)
RI 13
ATSF 13
CNW 12
SLSF 12
B&O 11
MDT 10
MP 9
WABASH 9
NP 9
WP 6
IC 6
NKP 6
URT 5 (URTX? If so, then URTX = 7)
UCR 5 (Utah Coal)
EJ&E 5
PM 5
SFRD 5
C&S 5
SOO 5
Others 117
Total 1143

Fraley listed the type of car (box, auto, reefer, etc.) for 587 cars. Many of the car types for those not identified could be inferred from the ownership (e.g., PFE = reefer), and a few hundred more were matched by comparison with a digital January ORER of box and auto cars. By these means, the number of cars with their type identified was brought to 2179.

Among the box and auto cars, ownership was distributed as follows:

Most common eastbound box and auto cars:
Railroad, number of cars
UP 139
NYC 20
CB&Q 19
SP 16
CNW 12
MILW 10
PRR 8
SLSF 8
RI 7
MC 6
WP 5
Others 40
Total 290


Most common westbound box and auto cars:
Railroad, number of cars
UP 152
NYC 37
CB&Q 29
SP 27
MILW 25
PRR 22
GTW 15
ATSF 13
RI 12
SLSF 11
B&O 9
CNW 9
NP 8
WABASH 8
NKP 6
WP 6
SOO 5
Others 59
Total 453

As time permits, I'll report on the contents of the cars.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Superior hand brakes was:Re: GN 40' box car question

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

http://www.cnwhs.org/shopping/product_info.php?products_id=318

http://www.cnwhs.org/shopping/product_info.php?products_id=401


Above are two links to the CNWHS store. Having those hand brakes back in stock is great news!
Clark Propst


More Reefer help

roblmclear <rob.mclear2@...>
 

Hi to all

I have been busily painting a decorating my reefer fleet of recent times and for information model N scale. Thanks to everyone who replied to my PFE question which gleaned some information that I was not aware of that PFE/WP never had any steel cars, only wood, thanks George.. These I guess will now have to be repainted as well. My question is this, or should I say questions...

I am trying to decorate some Swift Reefers in the pre all red scheme and have commissioned some decals to be made both with the all black lettering scheme and the 1948 scheme with the red/white swift logo on the right hand side of the car. I have managed also to pick up some Fine N Scale wooden truss rod reefer kits that look like with the addition of a new underframe could be made into a reasonable facsimilie of a 37' wooden Swift reefer. I don't know what the prototype was for this but with a scratchbuilt centre steel beam and exposes bracing they could be made to look close to the wooden Swift car. If Martin Loften or Richard Hendrickson (still overseas it seems) or anyone else is out there with knowledge of what I need to do to get them closer please get in touch. I do have the article printed in the Railmodel Journal in February 1993 and is the basis for my questions.

My question is in a number of articles I have seen the paint scheme for both of the earlier cars is Reefer Yellow Sides with a Red roof and ends. Is the roof a red like a fire engine red or a more sedate boxcar red? Thanks for any help that you can give.

Regards to all
Rob McLear
Brisbane Australia.


Re: Wabash/Ann Arbor rebuilt box cars

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

That sounds about right for what I saw. I think it would be pretty simple to model. Just sand/file the corners of the side panels to an approximate 1" by 45 degree angle, and then glue the sides to the ends with the ends flush with the angle. Does anyone make 7/8 ends for double sheathed cars? Otherwise, it wouldn't be too hard to cut and paste some Tichy USRA DS ends.

Regards,
Phil

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Phil, in the photos I've seen, there is about a 1" difference
in width and indeed the side panel looks kind of bent over to
fill the small gap. I don't think the model from Sunshine tries
to mimic this, even though it wouldn't be difficult as long as the
end was not as wide as the body.

Tim O'Connor



Group, I just passed through a town called St. John, Michigan, and sitting behind the depot was one of the Wabash steel sided rebuilt cars. There was no number on it, naving been repainted in AA MOW black, however it was from a series which had 7/8 Murphy ends, rectangular panel roof, and four panels each side of the door. What I found interesting was the way they treated the joint between the ends and the side panels. Magazine photos I've seen make one think that the ends are the same width as the external dimensions of the sides; that they either built the ends out, or the overall width of the cars remained the same as the original DS wood sided cars that these were converted from. However, a visual inspection shows that the 7/8 ends remained at the original width, and the side panels were the width of a 1937 standard car. The difference in width was accomodated by having the side panels bend inward at what appeared to be an approximate 45 degree angle.

Just a trivial point, but interesting to see, nonetheless!

Regards,
Phil Buchwald


Re: Western Prototype Modelers Meet 2009

dh30973
 

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

I attended the WPM meet yesterday, and was impressed by the large number of well built models of locomotives and freight cars on display. I was struck by the TOTAL lack of any UP equipment (except some "patched SP engines) on display. Are Santa Fe and Southern Pacific modelers more social by nature than the Borg modelers?????
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


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Apparently Andy wasn't too observant. As on the next aisle over from where he had his model was the work of several folks that included about a dozen UP Diesels. Granted that pailed with the numbers of other roads, but they were represented.

NO N&W hoppers, that I saw.

For those that missed the references to the photo albums of the greater than 1000 models that were on display
Dave Hussey's "Official" Album:
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/wpm2009
Harry Wong's
http://www.pbase.com/tracktime/wpm2009&page=all
And
Robby's Album:
http://www.pbase.com/mrmrl/wpm2009

Unfortunately all the Pbase site is down due to some sort of power failure.

Dave Hussey


Re: GN 40' box car question

David Sieber
 

Elden, What you get for your $5 is three sprues as shown on the CNWHS Company Store website, each with one Superior brakewheel and one handbrake mechanism consisting of the HB gear housing, chain and connecting rod with bottom clevis to connect with the bell crank at the bottom of the car end. Thus, you get a total of three complete HB sets to equip three tall cars.
Regards, Dave Sieber, Reno NV

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
Dave; Does "3 parts per package" mean 3 sprues containing a total of 3 wheels, all for $5, or one sprue for $5 that has 3 parts on it, one of which is a brake wheel? Thanks for this heads-up, also! Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: GN 40' box car question



Gentlemen,
The Superior handbrake wheel and mechanism detail set is available from the
Chicago & North Western Historical Society, which first had Red Caboose do
them for a special run of M&StL box cars (sold out). The Society still orders
special runs of the Superior HB sprue for their Company Store, three sets for
$5, shipping included. I ordered some a couple of months ago, and they are
just beautiful. The CNWHS Company Store website is
http://www.cnwhs.org/shopping/index.php
<http://www.cnwhs.org/shopping/index.php>
Hope this helps,
Dave Sieber,
Reno NV

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim O'Connor
<timboconnor@> wrote:
Appears to be a Superior brake wheel. Red Caboose produced a separate detail
parts package 8000-13 with this brake wheel and housing but I don't know if
it's still available. Tim O'Connor

At 9/25/2009 07:44 AM Friday, Matt Sugarman wrote:
All, Could someone tell me what type of brake wheel is on the car on the
bottom of page 38 of the four ways west GN freight car pictorial, vol 1 (GN
18598)??? And is it available in HO scale??? Thank you, Matt Sugerman, Ft.
Worth, TX


Re: Wabash/Ann Arbor rebuilt box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Phil, in the photos I've seen, there is about a 1" difference
in width and indeed the side panel looks kind of bent over to
fill the small gap. I don't think the model from Sunshine tries
to mimic this, even though it wouldn't be difficult as long as the
end was not as wide as the body.

Tim O'Connor

Group, I just passed through a town called St. John, Michigan, and sitting behind the depot was one of the Wabash steel sided rebuilt cars. There was no number on it, naving been repainted in AA MOW black, however it was from a series which had 7/8 Murphy ends, rectangular panel roof, and four panels each side of the door. What I found interesting was the way they treated the joint between the ends and the side panels. Magazine photos I've seen make one think that the ends are the same width as the external dimensions of the sides; that they either built the ends out, or the overall width of the cars remained the same as the original DS wood sided cars that these were converted from. However, a visual inspection shows that the 7/8 ends remained at the original width, and the side panels were the width of a 1937 standard car. The difference in width was accomodated by having the side panels bend inward at what appeared to be an approximate 45 degree angle.

Just a trivial point, but interesting to see, nonetheless!

Regards,
Phil Buchwald


Wabash/Ann Arbor rebuilt box cars

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

Group, I just passed through a town called St. John, Michigan, and sitting behind the depot was one of the Wabash steel sided rebuilt cars. There was no number on it, naving been repainted in AA MOW black, however it was from a series which had 7/8 Murphy ends, rectangular panel roof, and four panels each side of the door. What I found interesting was the way they treated the joint between the ends and the side panels. Magazine photos I've seen make one think that the ends are the same width as the external dimensions of the sides; that they either built the ends out, or the overall width of the cars remained the same as the original DS wood sided cars that these were converted from. However, a visual inspection shows that the 7/8 ends remained at the original width, and the side panels were the width of a 1937 standard car. The difference in width was accomodated by having the side panels bend inward at what appeared to be an approximate 45 degree angle.

Just a trivial point, but interesting to see, nonetheless!

Regards,
Phil Buchwald