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Re: CP model to fit a paint scheme

Doug Rhodes
 

Clark, you can use the "stepped block" decals your friend likes on a "minibox" since these cars were
were seen with this scheme (as they were with the later "script" scheme.) The cars had a very long
service life, and as result were repainted at various times with whatever lettering scheme was
current at the time. The "Spans the World" scheme was actually only used for a few short years in
the late 1940's, while the "stepped block" scheme was current from the late 1940s to the early
1960s.

There is a photo of a "minibox" still in "stepped block" in 1983 (albeit in work service by that
time) in the Morning Sun Canadian Pacific Colour Guide.

As others have pointed out, pretty much any steel boxcar introduced to CPR service up to about 1961
could realistically have these decals applied, so depending on the modeled era there would be a wide
variety of options to choose from.

Hope this helps
Doug Rhodes

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----- Original Message -----
From: steve l
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:06 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CP model to fit a paint scheme


The former HO scale CRMPG ends (NSC and Canadian Dreadnaught versions) are now made by Sylvan
Scale Models--

http://www.isp.ca/sylvan/detail.htm

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:
>
> Clark: many CP cars were painted in this scheme, including 10 ' IH 1937 AAR
> cars and later 10'6 AAR cars. The 1937 kits can be kitbashed from IM or RC
> 1937 bodies and CRMPG roofs and ends. Jim Little had an article in RMC March
> 1995 with a whole lot more details than my short email provided.
>
> Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
> Cheektowaga NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Clark Propst
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:46 PM
> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [STMFC] CP model to fit a paint scheme
>
> My last question about some old tank cars must have been a tough one, so
> I'll make this one easier.
>
> I built a F&C CP minibox for a friend. He thought he'd given me a set of
> Allen Ferguson's great CP 'stepped' lettering decals, which he hadn't. Now,
> he'd like me to do a car with those decals.
> I'd like to know what box car models would be appropriate for those decals.
> Thanks,
> Clark Propst
> Mason City Iowa
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: CP model to fit a paint scheme

steve l <stevelucas3@...>
 

The former HO scale CRMPG ends (NSC and Canadian Dreadnaught versions) are now made by Sylvan Scale Models--

http://www.isp.ca/sylvan/detail.htm

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:

Clark: many CP cars were painted in this scheme, including 10 ' IH 1937 AAR
cars and later 10'6 AAR cars. The 1937 kits can be kitbashed from IM or RC
1937 bodies and CRMPG roofs and ends. Jim Little had an article in RMC March
1995 with a whole lot more details than my short email provided.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Clark Propst
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:46 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] CP model to fit a paint scheme

My last question about some old tank cars must have been a tough one, so
I'll make this one easier.

I built a F&C CP minibox for a friend. He thought he'd given me a set of
Allen Ferguson's great CP 'stepped' lettering decals, which he hadn't. Now,
he'd like me to do a car with those decals.
I'd like to know what box car models would be appropriate for those decals.
Thanks,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Re: CP model to fit a paint scheme

Brian Carlson <brian@...>
 

Clark: many CP cars were painted in this scheme, including 10 ' IH 1937 AAR
cars and later 10'6 AAR cars. The 1937 kits can be kitbashed from IM or RC
1937 bodies and CRMPG roofs and ends. Jim Little had an article in RMC March
1995 with a whole lot more details than my short email provided.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Clark Propst
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:46 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] CP model to fit a paint scheme

My last question about some old tank cars must have been a tough one, so
I'll make this one easier.

I built a F&C CP minibox for a friend. He thought he'd given me a set of
Allen Ferguson's great CP 'stepped' lettering decals, which he hadn't. Now,
he'd like me to do a car with those decals.
I'd like to know what box car models would be appropriate for those decals.
Thanks,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa





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CP model to fit a paint scheme

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

My last question about some old tank cars must have been a tough one, so I'll make this one easier.

I built a F&C CP minibox for a friend. He thought he'd given me a set of Allen Ferguson's great CP 'stepped' lettering decals, which he hadn't. Now, he'd like me to do a car with those decals.
I'd like to know what box car models would be appropriate for those decals.
Thanks,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: More Reefer help

roblmclear <rob.mclear2@...>
 

Thanks Scott

To all I have the information I was looking for thanks to all that replied on the list or off list. The knowledge in the group is formidable and available what more can a bloke want!!

Thanks
Rob.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "scottpitzer2002" <scottp459@...> wrote:


My question is in a number of articles I have seen the paint scheme for both of the earlier cars is Reefer Yellow Sides with a Red roof and ends. Is the roof a red like a fire engine red or a more sedate boxcar red? Thanks for any help that you can give.

Regards to all
Rob McLear
Brisbane Australia.
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The yellow-sided cars had box car red roofs.
Scott Pitzer


Re: More Reefer help

Scott Pitzer
 


My question is in a number of articles I have seen the paint scheme for both of the earlier cars is Reefer Yellow Sides with a Red roof and ends. Is the roof a red like a fire engine red or a more sedate boxcar red? Thanks for any help that you can give.

Regards to all
Rob McLear
Brisbane Australia.
=================================
The yellow-sided cars had box car red roofs.
Scott Pitzer


Re: More Reefer help

John Riddell <jriddell@...>
 

Hi Rob,

There is an excellent colour photo in book "Classic Freight Cars Volume 3" that provides a down-on view of a yard full of bright red Swift reefers. All the wood roofs are weathered. The original wood roof colour may have been bright red but after some use appears to be more like box car red, with a gray cast. Hope that helps.

I hope the sand storm dust didn't get on your fine models.

John Riddell


Re: Ted Culotta/Larry Jackman MIA

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

The Puget Sound message was one of his last. I seem to recall Seattle as a more specific
destination. I should hope he has a connection. His were some of the most enjoyable and
informative posts as regards "how it really was" that have appeared on this list.
This is what Larry wrote in November last year:

"Hi Fellow list buddies.
I writing this to let you know I will not be at Cocoa Beach this year. I am moving back to Seattle area By the end of Dec. I never
really liked Florida. We came down to look after my wife's Mother.
She died in Jan 2007 and my wife died in Oct 2007. I have a daughter
in Seattle. She wants me to move out there. I will still be on the
list but my health is going down hill and this will probably be my
last plane flight..
Thank you all"

I don't think Larry has posted since January. I agree with Schuyler. Larry had "been everywhere, done everything", but his posts were informative and to the point.

Tom Madden


Re: Ted Culotta/Larry Jackman MIA

Schuyler Larrabee
 

The Puget Sound message was one of his last. I seem to recall Seattle as a more specific
destination. I should hope he has a connection. His were some of the most enjoyable and
informative posts as regards "how it really was" that have appeared on this list.

SGL

I believe that Larry Jackman moved to the Puget Sound area to be close
to family and support. I do not know whether or not he is still
internet-connected.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento




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Re: Ted Culotta/Larry Jackman MIA

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

I believe that Larry Jackman moved to the Puget Sound area to be close to family and support. I do not know whether or not he is still internet-connected.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

StephanP <sparachuk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "StephanP" <sparachuk@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@> wrote:

Has anyone else found that the floor does not fit any of the dimensions of the body, that it just falls inside? The floor piece is shorter and much more narrow then the cavity it is suppose to fill. LOL, how can a 36 foot long boxcar have a 34 foot long floor casting? Has anyone added styrene to get the floor to fit as opposed to sink inside the body? I have not a floor so small before!


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
Gary: Sorry to be so slow replying to your post but if you are going to try salvaging the floor casting, you will likely have to cut it in three pieces. That way you can ensure the bolsters will be in the right place. I've had floor castings too long before and I couldn't just cut them shorter. Your situation sounds familiar as well. You can't just add a foot to each. Good luck.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto
Gary: I thought maybe the letter made more sense without the errors.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

StephanP <sparachuk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

Has anyone else found that the floor does not fit any of the dimensions of the body, that it just falls inside? The floor piece is shorter and much more narrow then the cavity it is suppose to fill. LOL, how can a 36 foot long boxcar have a 34 foot long floor casting? Has anyone added styrene to get the floor to fit as opposed to sink inside the body? I have not a floor so small before!


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
Gary: Sorry to be so slow replying to your post but if you are going to try salvaging the floor casting, you will likely have to cut it in three pieces. That way you can ensure the bolsters will be in the right place. I've had floor casting too long before and I couldn't just cut them shorter. Your situation sounds familiar as well. You can't just a foot to each. Good luck.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


Re: Sunshine ART ktis still available?

Rich C
 

Jerry, They are still available. My list is dated July 2009.
 
Rich

--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Don Worthy <don_worthy@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Don Worthy <don_worthy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sunshine ART ktis still available?
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 10:16 AM


 



I have a 46.9 "steel" and a 14.1 wood side kit. Both are ART reefers.
Sorry I don't have the numbers that you're looking for.
Don Worthy

--- On Tue, 9/22/09, asychis@aol. com <asychis@aol. com> wrote:

From: asychis@aol. com <asychis@aol. com>
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine ART ktis still available?
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 1:07 PM

 

Hi, I was wondering if any list members have a recent Sunshine list and
know if kits 46.10-46.12 are still available? Price? I could write Sunshine,
but that will take three months or more for an answer.

Thanks,

Jerry Michels



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Re: 1900 Stuyvesant Docks Yard Photo - New Orleans

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I wrote:

Tony, the first car on the third track from the left was once a
LaBelle Woodworking kit. I built one when I was about 15, and it's
the first time I've seen a photo of the model. Still have it, and
it's held up well all these years. Nice to see if it had a real
prototype and that it's pretty close.
I'm no expert on LaBelle, but every kit of theirs that I've
looked into was authentic.

Tony Thompson
That's been my impression. Geez, I was a little spaced out this afternoon (up late last night) when
I wrote that. Obviously, I meant it was the first time I'd seen a photo of the PROTOTYPE!

SGL






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Re: 1900 Stuyvesant Docks Yard Photo - New Orleans

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tony, the first car on the third track from the left was once a LaBelle Woodworking kit. I built one when I was about 15, and it's the first time I've seen a photo of the model. Still have it, and it's held up well all these years. Nice to see if it had a real prototype and that it's pretty close.
I'm no expert on LaBelle, but every kit of theirs that I've looked into was authentic.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: 1900 Stuyvesant Docks Yard Photo - New Orleans

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Tony, the first car on the third track from the left was once a LaBelle Woodworking kit. I built
one when I was about 15, and it's the first time I've seen a photo of the model. Still have it, and
it's held up well all these years. Nice to see if it had a real prototype and that it's pretty
close.

SGL


I just had to cross post this from the LRMRG list. It is a great photo of an IC steam switcher
with lots of neat freight
cars in the background. Along with lots of ICRR cars, I see the end of a GH&SA car as well. Thanks
to Tony Howe for
posting.

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/ <http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/>

Guys,

There's a great early photo of Illinois Central's Stuyvesant Docks Yard in New
Orleans with an 0-6-0 and crew on Shorpy at

http://www.shorpy.com/node/6855?size=_original <http://www.shorpy.com/node/6855?size=_original>

Tony Howe




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Re: Commonwealth steel combined end frame and body bolster castings

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Dennis, but while the Royalite car drawings do offer some help, they also differ quite a bit from the CPR cars I'm modelling. The CPR cars had a single cast part that served as bolster and saddle for the tank, not separate pieces. Also, the end sills have a comparatively massive cast in place draft gear box. I can go a far distance working from photos, but would like to see something more detailed if possible.

Rob Kirkham

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From: "soolinehistory" <destorzek@mchsi.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:35 AM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Commonwealth steel combined end frame and body bolster castings

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:


In any event, I lack sufficient good photos of the body bolster/saddle/end
frame area of the car and am struggling to model something credible while
peering in the dark. An article in Canadian Railway and Marine World
indicates that the cars were equipped with Commonwealth cast steel combined
end frame and body bolster castings. These parts included the side sills
and tank saddle.
Rob,

Take another look at that Royalite car on pages 268 - 269 of the 1922 Car Builder's Cyclopedia that we were discussing the other week... The car was built by CC&F in 1921, and the cross sectional views show it has a cast bolster. Not quite as good a photos, and you have to spend some time deciphering the hidden lines, but there's a lot of info in those drawings.

Dennis


Re: Commonwealth steel combined end frame and body bolster castings

Robert kirkham
 

I thought I'd try to do a little more research on this subject by searching Google books. There one finds this phrase in Railway Age, September 3, 1927, p.450. Unfortunately Google only shows the header of the page and not the comment in which the phrase is used citing copyright issues, so it is difficult to guage its usefulness.

According to the Google search, the phrase is repeated in a 1930 volume of Railway Age - but Google won't even let me see the header to pick up a month or page number.

There is another mystifying reference to 1925 Railway Age, but here Google won't even summarise the content stating it is "restricted".

Bizarre!

Anyway, since 1923 is the date the car I'm modelling was built, I'd like to have a look at these references - whether they turn out to be a dead end or not....

Since the local libraries collection of Railway Age only goes back to 1929, I'm wondering if anyone knows an effective way to follow these leads from my home here in Vancouver.

Rob Kirkham


1900 Stuyvesant Docks Yard Photo - New Orleans

Lee Gautreaux
 

I just had to cross post this from the LRMRG list. It is a great photo of an IC steam switcher with lots of neat freight cars in the background. Along with lots of ICRR cars, I see the end of a GH&SA car as well. Thanks to Tony Howe for posting.

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/




Guys,

There's a great early photo of Illinois Central's Stuyvesant Docks Yard in New
Orleans with an 0-6-0 and crew on Shorpy at

http://www.shorpy.com/node/6855?size=_original

Tony Howe


Foundry Symbol : Who used X in Shield??

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Does anyone recognize the 1940's era foundry symbol shown in the second column here:

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/sGS-Stt46zN1L7Tvw_-2PdhdeVoREQZ7ha34WLaKa8DediwK6Rm10H9byN_B5_yWfP2ElDAb8sj__IpM7fFluFIhZ1lbIeE_3-ib/Unknown%20Foundry%20Symbols.doc

It is an X in a shield. I have a foundry association handbook but it doesn't list the foundry using this symbol. Perhaps you've seen in an ad in Railway Age, in a CBC, or on a truck frame or coupler?

Thanks in advance,
KL

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