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Re: Archer rivets

Tim O'Connor
 

scissors?

I recall from reading past posts that a few members of the list have tried Archer fine transfer rivets. I ordered some but shy away from using them. The rivets are so close together that it would be easy to damage a row and require purchase of additional sheets to complete a small project.

Does someone on the list have a recommendation of a cutting tool and any special cutting technique?

Tom


Re: Archer rivets

Thomas Baker
 

I recall from reading past posts that a few members of the list have tried Archer fine transfer rivets. I ordered some but shy away from using them. The rivets are so close together that it would be easy to damage a row and require purchase of additional sheets to complete a small project.

Does someone on the list have a recommendation of a cutting tool and any special cutting technique?

Tom


Re: SI flat car

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks for the help. Yet another car to search for in Bob's
collection when I get to Naperville!

Tim O'

At 9/28/2009 08:50 PM Monday, you wrote:

Ed Hawkins wrote:
> According to ACF paint specs for lot 3525, series SI 5001-5025,
> built 6-51, they were painted black with white stencils. Red and
> gold were used on a small railroad medallion located between the
> road name and car number. It was covered by the consolidated
> dimensional data on the car in the photo.

Probably this car was painted from the same specs, but the car
number, 5045, lies outside the cited series.
Tony and Tim,
Oops - sorry, my goof. The ACF order for lot 3525 was 75 cars, series
SI 5001-5075. Time to get new bifocals!

I checked the 1/52 ORER, and interestingly the book lists 75 cars in
series 5001-5076. Don't know why the numbers go to 5076.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Larry Jackman MIA

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <tmolsen@...> wrote:

I most certainly agree with Schuyler and Tom regarding Larry Jackman in regard to his posts to this list. His answers were original based on his life experiences.
I agree. I don't know why people have razzed Larry for having "done everything"; for working class people of Larry's generation, that was the norm. My own father was a truck driver, welder, and then a carpenter during his long working life... I myself am in my second career, so to speak.

One thing that people here who bemoan the fact that something or other isn't available should keep in mind; when faced with a similar situation, Larry just went out and did it, caused things to be made, and made them available to the rest of us.

I sure hope he is doing well.

Dennis


Re: SI flat car

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "pullmanboss" <tgmadden@...> wrote:

Anyone have a photo or know where I could see a 1950's vintage
photo of this Spokane International flat car?

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=47664

Tim O'Connor

That's a model, right??? Look at the track spikes in the foreground.

Or am I the last one to catch on.....

Tom Madden
Tom,

Those "spikes" are rail anchors.

Dennis


Re: FW: [Ops-Ind] marking "Buffalo" grain-loading cars -1951

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

All;

While there may have been some instance of PRR cars being used for grain
service, and even equipped with temporary grain doors, according to several
PRR guys I trust to have the story correct, the triangle between the name and
number was not used to designate that service. The 610000-620999 series' of
cars were all segregated for maintenance; some, perhaps all leased cars. It
included box cars of several sub-classes, but also gondola cars, which had
the traingle on top of a rib to center it above the number. These included
G34 610000-611999, G31A 612000-614999, and others.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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J Carlson
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 4:56 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] FW: [Ops-Ind] marking "Buffalo" grain-loading cars -1951



Interesting, I've heard other reasons given for the PRR triangle and NYC
Star. I'd like to find the article to read it.
The star being cars that were supposed to stay on line (Terry Link's
website) and the Triangle having to do with maintenance, Not aware of any PRR
boxes having grain doors either. (at work so I don't have that source handy).
Brian Carlson

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:05:26 -0600, Aley, Jeff A wrote
Forwarded from the Railway Ops group.

-Jeff

"The white triangle is the new Pennsylvania Railroad designation for a
PRR Class A boxcar to be loaded with grain and other milling products,
and returned to Buffalo for reloading, when empty. Such cars are
specially coopered to make them tight and dry for grain hauling, and
they are equipped with special grain doors. ....you already know that
the New York Central marks its Buffalo grain service boxcars with a
white star." The lead-in question says the white triangle is centered
between the railroad name and car number.

Another tidbit from Railroad magazine. July 1951 page 67.


Re: Larry Jackman MIA

tmolsen@...
 

I most certainly agree with Schuyler and Tom regarding Larry Jackman in regard to his posts to this list. His answers were original based on his life experiences.

One of the things that I miss in addition to his ability to get to the nub of an argument or the ability to pass on his railroad experiences that pertained to discussions on the list were his closing humorous remarks after his signature. The one I liked the best was:

"I was born with nothing and I still have most of it left!"

He had remarked that he had been having problems with failing health. Let us hope that he has been able to overcome some or all of those problems with the change of address and climate and perhaps we may hear from him in the future!

Regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: SI flat car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ed Hawkins wrote:
Tony and Tim,
Oops - sorry, my goof. The ACF order for lot 3525 was 75 cars, series SI 5001-5075. Time to get new bifocals!

I checked the 1/52 ORER, and interestingly the book lists 75 cars in series 5001-5076. Don't know why the numbers go to 5076.
Maybe a typo. In the Jan. 53 ORER, it says 5001-5075, 75 cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: SI flat car

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sep 28, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Ed Hawkins wrote:
> According to ACF paint specs for lot 3525, series SI 5001-5025,
> built 6-51, they were painted black with white stencils. Red and
> gold were used on a small railroad medallion located between the
> road name and car number. It was covered by the consolidated
> dimensional data on the car in the photo.

Probably this car was painted from the same specs, but the car
number, 5045, lies outside the cited series.
Tony and Tim,
Oops - sorry, my goof. The ACF order for lot 3525 was 75 cars, series
SI 5001-5075. Time to get new bifocals!

I checked the 1/52 ORER, and interestingly the book lists 75 cars in
series 5001-5076. Don't know why the numbers go to 5076.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: SI flat car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ed Hawkins wrote:
According to ACF paint specs for lot 3525, series SI 5001-5025, built 6-51, they were painted black with white stencils. Red and gold were used on a small railroad medallion located between the road name and car number. It was covered by the consolidated dimensional data on the car in the photo.
Probably this car was painted from the same specs, but the car number, 5045, lies outside the cited series.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: SI flat car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tom Maddens wrote:
That's a model, right??? Look at the track spikes in the foreground.

Or am I the last one to catch on.....
IF so, Tom, the air hoses at left are certainly superb models. Likewise the see-through crossover platform and brake step at right.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: SI flat car

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sep 28, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Anyone have a photo or know where I could see a 1950's vintage
photo of this Spokane International flat car?

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=47664

Tim O'Connor
Tim,
According to ACF paint specs for lot 3525, series SI 5001-5025, built
6-51, they were painted black with white stencils. Red and gold were
used on a small railroad medallion located between the road name and
car number. It was covered by the consolidated dimensional data on the
car in the photo.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: SI flat car

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Anyone have a photo or know where I could see a 1950's vintage
photo of this Spokane International flat car?

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=47664

Tim O'Connor

That's a model, right??? Look at the track spikes in the foreground.

Or am I the last one to catch on.....

Tom Madden


Re: SI flat car

StephanP <sparachuk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Anyone have a photo or know where I could see a 1950's vintage
photo of this Spokane International flat car?

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=47664

Tim O'Connor
Great photo Tim. The weathering is really good. Now I'd like to see the giant fork on a flat car that did that embankment in the back.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


Re: FW: [Ops-Ind] marking "Buffalo" grain-loading cars -1951

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Interesting, I've heard other reasons given for the PRR triangle and NYC
Star. I'd like to find the article to read it.
The star being cars that were supposed to stay on line (Terry Link's
website) and the Triangle having to do with maintenance, Not aware of any
PRR boxes having grain doors either. (at work so I don't have that source
handy).
Brian Carlson

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:05:26 -0600, Aley, Jeff A wrote

Forwarded from the Railway Ops group.

-Jeff

"The white triangle is the new Pennsylvania Railroad designation for
a PRR Class A boxcar to be loaded with grain and other milling
products, and returned to Buffalo for reloading, when empty. Such
cars are specially coopered to make them tight and dry for grain
hauling, and they are equipped with special grain doors. ....you
already know that the New York Central marks its Buffalo grain
service boxcars with a white star." The lead-in question says the
white triangle is centered between the railroad name and car number.

Another tidbit from Railroad magazine. July 1951 page 67.


News from Funaro & Camerlengo for Ya'll modelers

Bill Welch
 

I notice that F&C is anticipating a Sunshine release this fall by releasing the L&N/Georgia/WofA/A&WP Pratt trussed SS cars with the Murphy XLA roof and 7/8 Murphy ends as a one piece body. Ya'll modelers might want to consider this version as Martin's version is a bit of a compromise as it will have the 5'6" truck spacing instead of the correct 5' spacing for these cars. To his credit, Martin acknowledges this on his flier.

Unfortunately in my preliminary look on the website, I cannot really tell if the F&C kits have the correct spacing either.

Another point is that one group of L&N cars w/the Murphy ends had a roof that is clearly not an XLA roof although I am not sure what it is. The RP CYC article missed this variation.

Bill Welch


FW: [Ops-Ind] marking "Buffalo" grain-loading cars -1951

Aley, Jeff A
 

Forwarded from the Railway Ops group.

-Jeff


From: Ry-ops-industrialSIG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ry-ops-industrialSIG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moir
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:13 AM
To: ProTrak@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Ry-ops-industrialSIG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Ops-Ind] marking "Buffalo" grain-loading cars -1951



"The white triangle is the new Pennsylvania Railroad designation for a PRR
Class A boxcar to be loaded with grain and other milling products, and
returned to Buffalo for reloading, when empty. Such cars are specially
coopered to make them tight and dry for grain hauling, and they are equipped
with special grain doors. ....you already know that the New York Central
marks its Buffalo grain service boxcars with a white star." The lead-in
question says the white triangle is centered between the railroad name and
car number.

Another tidbit from Railroad magazine. July 1951 page 67.

Jim

Jim Moir
ProTrak


Re: CP model to fit a paint scheme

Doug Rhodes
 

Thanks, Tim, for that clarification.

As others have pointed out, there is good detailed info in the Jim Little articles in RMC in the
October 1994 and March 1995 issues, where variations within the CPR number "series" have been broken
out in detail.

My focus was on car numbers that could be seen on "similar" cars with the "stepped block" scheme,
but of course you're quite correct that "similar" glosses over a number of variations in detail that
can be of interest to modelers. CPR in the timeframe often spread its orders around to different car
builders, which sometimes but not always resulted in different construction details, appliances etc
in the resulting cars. I understand from discussions on the list that this was a fairly common
practice amongst US railways also.

So to accurately model a specific car or group of cars from the same builder at the same time, I
agree the "series" I quoted are too broadly drawn.

Thanks
Doug

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CP model to fit a paint scheme


Doug Rhodes wrote

>> 10 foot 6 inch high cars (1944 modified design)
>> CP252250-267210 built 1948-1953
>> That last series had almost 15,000 cars in service in 1956...
>> it might be a good choice for a "typical" boxcar based on the
>> 1937 design.

Doug, the 252250-267210 "series" is many different series from
different builders at different times. None of them are exactly
like the 1937 AAR box car or the modified 1940 design either.

Here's an order breakdown for just 255500-267210:

255500-256499 blt 1948 NSC YSD-1 door
257000-257199 blt 1950 ECC YSD-1 door
257200-257499 blt 1950 CCF YSD-1 door
257500-258199 blt 1950 NSC YSD-1 door
258200-258499 blt 1951 ECC YSD-1 door
258500-258999 blt 1951 ECC YSD-1 door
259000-259499 blt 1951 NSC YSD-1 door
259500-260499 blt 1951 CCF YSD-1 door
260500-261399 blt 1951 CCF YSD-1 door
261400-261699 blt 1951 NSC YSD-1 door
261700-262699 blt 1951 NSC YSD-1 door
262700-263899 blt 1952 CP YSD-1 door
263900-264899 blt 1952 CCF YSD-1 door
264900-265249 blt 1953 NSC YSD-1 door
265250-266049 blt 1952 CP YSD-1 door
266050-267210 blt 1953 CP YSD-1 door

Tim O'Connor






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Re: CP model to fit a paint scheme

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Clark,
Way back when, RMC ran a pair of articles on modeling CPR boxcars. One was an article detailing the history of the fleet and trhe other was an article on modeling the cars with correct ends and roofs, etc.
I'd tell you the dates of the publications, but I'm not at home right now. It sounds like you'd find them very helpful right now.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rockroll50401" <cepropst@...> wrote:

You guys have been helpful.

The minibox has been for done months, I used the decals that came with the kit. He's just getting around to readying it for his layout.

What would be the number series' for standard AAR 37 of modified 37 cars?

Thanks,
Clark Propst


Re: CP model to fit a paint scheme

Tim O'Connor
 

Doug Rhodes wrote

10 foot 6 inch high cars (1944 modified design)
CP252250-267210 built 1948-1953
That last series had almost 15,000 cars in service in 1956...
it might be a good choice for a "typical" boxcar based on the
1937 design.
Doug, the 252250-267210 "series" is many different series from
different builders at different times. None of them are exactly
like the 1937 AAR box car or the modified 1940 design either.

Here's an order breakdown for just 255500-267210:

255500-256499 blt 1948 NSC YSD-1 door
257000-257199 blt 1950 ECC YSD-1 door
257200-257499 blt 1950 CCF YSD-1 door
257500-258199 blt 1950 NSC YSD-1 door
258200-258499 blt 1951 ECC YSD-1 door
258500-258999 blt 1951 ECC YSD-1 door
259000-259499 blt 1951 NSC YSD-1 door
259500-260499 blt 1951 CCF YSD-1 door
260500-261399 blt 1951 CCF YSD-1 door
261400-261699 blt 1951 NSC YSD-1 door
261700-262699 blt 1951 NSC YSD-1 door
262700-263899 blt 1952 CP YSD-1 door
263900-264899 blt 1952 CCF YSD-1 door
264900-265249 blt 1953 NSC YSD-1 door
265250-266049 blt 1952 CP YSD-1 door
266050-267210 blt 1953 CP YSD-1 door

Tim O'Connor

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