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Re: Erie 1932 ARA boxcars

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:
Does anyone know if underframe drawings of the Erie's 1932 ARA boxcars
appeared (Or C&O or NKP) in any of the car builders cycs in the 1930's.

My recollection is that detailed drawings of all of these cars appeared on the instruction/data sheet included with the Yankee Clipper kits for these cars.


Re: CP model to fit a paint scheme

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Guess what? The guy who wanted me to find out what car he needed for his 'Stepped Lettering" decals had my Oct. 94 RMC!

Thanks for all the help!!
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Rhodes" <farronhill@...> wrote:

Thanks, Tim, for that clarification.

As others have pointed out, there is good detailed info in the Jim Little articles in RMC in the
October 1994 and March 1995 issues, where variations within the CPR number "series" have been broken
out in detail.

My focus was on car numbers that could be seen on "similar" cars with the "stepped block" scheme,
but of course you're quite correct that "similar" glosses over a number of variations in detail that
can be of interest to modelers. CPR in the timeframe often spread its orders around to different car
builders, which sometimes but not always resulted in different construction details, appliances etc
in the resulting cars. I understand from discussions on the list that this was a fairly common
practice amongst US railways also.

So to accurately model a specific car or group of cars from the same builder at the same time, I
agree the "series" I quoted are too broadly drawn.

Thanks
Doug

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CP model to fit a paint scheme


Doug Rhodes wrote

>> 10 foot 6 inch high cars (1944 modified design)
>> CP252250-267210 built 1948-1953
>> That last series had almost 15,000 cars in service in 1956...
>> it might be a good choice for a "typical" boxcar based on the
>> 1937 design.

Doug, the 252250-267210 "series" is many different series from
different builders at different times. None of them are exactly
like the 1937 AAR box car or the modified 1940 design either.

Here's an order breakdown for just 255500-267210:

255500-256499 blt 1948 NSC YSD-1 door
257000-257199 blt 1950 ECC YSD-1 door
257200-257499 blt 1950 CCF YSD-1 door
257500-258199 blt 1950 NSC YSD-1 door
258200-258499 blt 1951 ECC YSD-1 door
258500-258999 blt 1951 ECC YSD-1 door
259000-259499 blt 1951 NSC YSD-1 door
259500-260499 blt 1951 CCF YSD-1 door
260500-261399 blt 1951 CCF YSD-1 door
261400-261699 blt 1951 NSC YSD-1 door
261700-262699 blt 1951 NSC YSD-1 door
262700-263899 blt 1952 CP YSD-1 door
263900-264899 blt 1952 CCF YSD-1 door
264900-265249 blt 1953 NSC YSD-1 door
265250-266049 blt 1952 CP YSD-1 door
266050-267210 blt 1953 CP YSD-1 door

Tim O'Connor






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Erie 1932 ARA boxcars

Brian Carlson <brian@...>
 

Does anyone know if underframe drawings of the Erie's 1932 ARA boxcars
appeared (Or C&O or NKP) in any of the car builders cycs in the 1930's. I am
reviewing the Atlas model and underframe has some issues with mis-located
components. I like to find a better drawing or photo of the underframe of
the Erie cars to confirm. NKP or C&O cars would be acceptable also since it
appears they had similar brake and foundation equipment since they were AMC
roads.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Archer rivets

Brian Carlson <brian@...>
 

The newer HO sets have been easy to cut with a sharp x-acto. I don't have
any of the earlier multi-purpose sets.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Kirkham
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:22 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: Archer rivets

Tom, what set do you have? Are you looking at the tank car rivet set? If
so, they have rows very close together on purpose, as the intent is that you

don't separate them. In other words, they are intended to be a double row.

Rob Kirkham


Re: Archer rivets

Robert kirkham
 

Tom, what set do you have? Are you looking at the tank car rivet set? If so, they have rows very close together on purpose, as the intent is that you don't separate them. In other words, they are intended to be a double row.

Rob Kirkham

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From: "Thomas Baker" <bakert@andrews.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:57 PM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] RE: Archer rivets

The rows of rivets look way too close together for a scissors.

Tom


Re: Archer rivets

rdietrichson
 

Thomas,
I use very sharp scissors with good results. Also the use of Future Floor Acrylic assures good adhesion.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmingto, NC

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Baker
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:15 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Archer rivets


I recall from reading past posts that a few members of the list have tried Archer fine transfer rivets. I ordered some but shy away from using them. The rivets are so close together that it would be easy to damage a row and require purchase of additional sheets to complete a small project.

Does someone on the list have a recommendation of a cutting tool and any special cutting technique?

Tom


Re: Archer rivets

Thomas Baker
 

The rows of rivets look way too close together for a scissors.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tue 9/29/2009 10:00 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Archer rivets


scissors?



I recall from reading past posts that a few members of the list have tried Archer fine transfer rivets. I ordered some but shy away from using them. The rivets are so close together that it would be easy to damage a row and require purchase of additional sheets to complete a small project.

Does someone on the list have a recommendation of a cutting tool and any special cutting technique?

Tom


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Re: Archer rivets

Tim O'Connor
 

scissors?

I recall from reading past posts that a few members of the list have tried Archer fine transfer rivets. I ordered some but shy away from using them. The rivets are so close together that it would be easy to damage a row and require purchase of additional sheets to complete a small project.

Does someone on the list have a recommendation of a cutting tool and any special cutting technique?

Tom


Re: Archer rivets

Thomas Baker
 

I recall from reading past posts that a few members of the list have tried Archer fine transfer rivets. I ordered some but shy away from using them. The rivets are so close together that it would be easy to damage a row and require purchase of additional sheets to complete a small project.

Does someone on the list have a recommendation of a cutting tool and any special cutting technique?

Tom


Re: SI flat car

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks for the help. Yet another car to search for in Bob's
collection when I get to Naperville!

Tim O'

At 9/28/2009 08:50 PM Monday, you wrote:

Ed Hawkins wrote:
> According to ACF paint specs for lot 3525, series SI 5001-5025,
> built 6-51, they were painted black with white stencils. Red and
> gold were used on a small railroad medallion located between the
> road name and car number. It was covered by the consolidated
> dimensional data on the car in the photo.

Probably this car was painted from the same specs, but the car
number, 5045, lies outside the cited series.
Tony and Tim,
Oops - sorry, my goof. The ACF order for lot 3525 was 75 cars, series
SI 5001-5075. Time to get new bifocals!

I checked the 1/52 ORER, and interestingly the book lists 75 cars in
series 5001-5076. Don't know why the numbers go to 5076.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Larry Jackman MIA

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <tmolsen@...> wrote:

I most certainly agree with Schuyler and Tom regarding Larry Jackman in regard to his posts to this list. His answers were original based on his life experiences.
I agree. I don't know why people have razzed Larry for having "done everything"; for working class people of Larry's generation, that was the norm. My own father was a truck driver, welder, and then a carpenter during his long working life... I myself am in my second career, so to speak.

One thing that people here who bemoan the fact that something or other isn't available should keep in mind; when faced with a similar situation, Larry just went out and did it, caused things to be made, and made them available to the rest of us.

I sure hope he is doing well.

Dennis


Re: SI flat car

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "pullmanboss" <tgmadden@...> wrote:

Anyone have a photo or know where I could see a 1950's vintage
photo of this Spokane International flat car?

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=47664

Tim O'Connor

That's a model, right??? Look at the track spikes in the foreground.

Or am I the last one to catch on.....

Tom Madden
Tom,

Those "spikes" are rail anchors.

Dennis


Re: FW: [Ops-Ind] marking "Buffalo" grain-loading cars -1951

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

All;

While there may have been some instance of PRR cars being used for grain
service, and even equipped with temporary grain doors, according to several
PRR guys I trust to have the story correct, the triangle between the name and
number was not used to designate that service. The 610000-620999 series' of
cars were all segregated for maintenance; some, perhaps all leased cars. It
included box cars of several sub-classes, but also gondola cars, which had
the traingle on top of a rib to center it above the number. These included
G34 610000-611999, G31A 612000-614999, and others.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian
J Carlson
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 4:56 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] FW: [Ops-Ind] marking "Buffalo" grain-loading cars -1951



Interesting, I've heard other reasons given for the PRR triangle and NYC
Star. I'd like to find the article to read it.
The star being cars that were supposed to stay on line (Terry Link's
website) and the Triangle having to do with maintenance, Not aware of any PRR
boxes having grain doors either. (at work so I don't have that source handy).
Brian Carlson

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:05:26 -0600, Aley, Jeff A wrote
Forwarded from the Railway Ops group.

-Jeff

"The white triangle is the new Pennsylvania Railroad designation for a
PRR Class A boxcar to be loaded with grain and other milling products,
and returned to Buffalo for reloading, when empty. Such cars are
specially coopered to make them tight and dry for grain hauling, and
they are equipped with special grain doors. ....you already know that
the New York Central marks its Buffalo grain service boxcars with a
white star." The lead-in question says the white triangle is centered
between the railroad name and car number.

Another tidbit from Railroad magazine. July 1951 page 67.


Re: Larry Jackman MIA

tmolsen@...
 

I most certainly agree with Schuyler and Tom regarding Larry Jackman in regard to his posts to this list. His answers were original based on his life experiences.

One of the things that I miss in addition to his ability to get to the nub of an argument or the ability to pass on his railroad experiences that pertained to discussions on the list were his closing humorous remarks after his signature. The one I liked the best was:

"I was born with nothing and I still have most of it left!"

He had remarked that he had been having problems with failing health. Let us hope that he has been able to overcome some or all of those problems with the change of address and climate and perhaps we may hear from him in the future!

Regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: SI flat car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ed Hawkins wrote:
Tony and Tim,
Oops - sorry, my goof. The ACF order for lot 3525 was 75 cars, series SI 5001-5075. Time to get new bifocals!

I checked the 1/52 ORER, and interestingly the book lists 75 cars in series 5001-5076. Don't know why the numbers go to 5076.
Maybe a typo. In the Jan. 53 ORER, it says 5001-5075, 75 cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: SI flat car

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sep 28, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Ed Hawkins wrote:
> According to ACF paint specs for lot 3525, series SI 5001-5025,
> built 6-51, they were painted black with white stencils. Red and
> gold were used on a small railroad medallion located between the
> road name and car number. It was covered by the consolidated
> dimensional data on the car in the photo.

Probably this car was painted from the same specs, but the car
number, 5045, lies outside the cited series.
Tony and Tim,
Oops - sorry, my goof. The ACF order for lot 3525 was 75 cars, series
SI 5001-5075. Time to get new bifocals!

I checked the 1/52 ORER, and interestingly the book lists 75 cars in
series 5001-5076. Don't know why the numbers go to 5076.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: SI flat car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ed Hawkins wrote:
According to ACF paint specs for lot 3525, series SI 5001-5025, built 6-51, they were painted black with white stencils. Red and gold were used on a small railroad medallion located between the road name and car number. It was covered by the consolidated dimensional data on the car in the photo.
Probably this car was painted from the same specs, but the car number, 5045, lies outside the cited series.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: SI flat car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tom Maddens wrote:
That's a model, right??? Look at the track spikes in the foreground.

Or am I the last one to catch on.....
IF so, Tom, the air hoses at left are certainly superb models. Likewise the see-through crossover platform and brake step at right.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: SI flat car

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sep 28, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Anyone have a photo or know where I could see a 1950's vintage
photo of this Spokane International flat car?

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=47664

Tim O'Connor
Tim,
According to ACF paint specs for lot 3525, series SI 5001-5025, built
6-51, they were painted black with white stencils. Red and gold were
used on a small railroad medallion located between the road name and
car number. It was covered by the consolidated dimensional data on the
car in the photo.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: SI flat car

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Anyone have a photo or know where I could see a 1950's vintage
photo of this Spokane International flat car?

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=47664

Tim O'Connor

That's a model, right??? Look at the track spikes in the foreground.

Or am I the last one to catch on.....

Tom Madden

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