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Re: Safeway Foods reefers

Mr Charles burns
 

Hey Micheal
 I recall seeing one come through San Luis Obispo CA in the 70's.  I had an Athearn 50' HO version at the time, and the prototype car was remarkably similar.
 I had heard that Irv Athearn would take pictures of cars in Taylor yard in Los Angeles for reference.
Charlie Burns
N Scale Coastline '64

--- On Sun, 9/20/09, goldrod_1 <goldrod_1@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: goldrod_1 <goldrod_1@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Safeway Foods reefers
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 4:35 PM


 



Did Safeway Foods have a fleet of leased reefers? I have seen many cars on the market at different times over the years, but I do not remember ever seeing a real one before. Thanks for any help.

Michael Bishop




















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Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Whatever your definition of "buildable", poorly engineered and ill-fitting kits do not get better simply because there is a wide variety of them. Regardless of the appeal of the subject, needing to scratchbuild a new floor and underframe to replace the item you paid to acquire reduces the overall quality of the kit significantly. This is an area that demands our scrutiny, not our apologies.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor

Kurt, although many resin kits (and plastic kits) have problems,
I have yet to encounter a Sunshine kit that is not buildable. Hard
to build, yes, but not unbuildable.

Very, very few model trains are perfectly engineered. The Gould
(now Tichy) kits came close. Kadee PS-1 and PS-2 cars come close.
Only a few resin kits (from Railyard and SC&F) come close.

And of course, if you don't like Sunshine kits, don't buy 'em. I
don't think Martin's going to re-engineer them now.


Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

Tim O'Connor
 

Kurt, although many resin kits (and plastic kits) have problems,
I have yet to encounter a Sunshine kit that is not buildable. Hard
to build, yes, but not unbuildable.

Very, very few model trains are perfectly engineered. The Gould
(now Tichy) kits came close. Kadee PS-1 and PS-2 cars come close.
Only a few resin kits (from Railyard and SC&F) come close.

And of course, if you don't like Sunshine kits, don't buy 'em. I
don't think Martin's going to re-engineer them now.

YMMV.

----- Original Message -----

That assumes that having a large number of kits is fundamentally
incompatible with kits that are engineered well enough to be buildable (*).

I do not believe that assumption is still valid.

KL


BC RPM meet coming up

Greg Martin
 

Here's a note I picked up and I feel we can get behind. Another Prototype Modelers Meet! You might recognize some names as well. These folks were very supportive of our Rails by the River Meet in August, might see you there.



Greg Martin





BC RPM

British Columbia's Own Prototype Modeling Event

Just a reminder, BC RPM is now only six weeks away. Since it was first announced we have another five clinics confirmed for the weekend. More clinics will be added in the coming weeks so stay tuned.

Held in association with Trains 2009, the second annual BC Railroad Prototype Modeler's meet will take place in Burnaby, BC on November 14th, 2009. The RPM display portion of the meet will be 10AM to 4PM Saturday. Clinics run one stream Saturday and two streams Sunday for what will likely total 18 clinics.

The usual bit about ALL SCALES ALL ROADS goes without saying. So if you've been working away on something be it a structure, diorama, freight car or locomotive, in-progress or finished, bring it out and participate in a friendly and informative afternoon. And don't forget to check out the rest of the show while you're at it. Beyond the RPM meet and Clinic line-up, TRAINS 2009 has a lot to offer enthusiasts. The exhibition runs from the evening of Friday, November 13th through to Monday, November 16th and features Operating sessions, a Public show, an Escorted layout tour, Sunday evening Banquet and a Prototype tour.

Below are some of this year's Clinic line-up.
For more detailed clinic descriptions and a tentative schedule go to www.bctrains.org

Dave Love - History of the CPR Caboose Fleet

Joe Smuin - Ghost Train to the Border: A look at the KVR from Penticton to Osoyoos

Brian Pate - From the prototype to model operations: Lessons we've learned from the Klondike Mines Railway

Marc Simpson - Mining and Smelting Railways of British Columbia

Frank Valoczy - Imperial Oil Tank Cars

Timothy Horton - Freight Car Paint & Stencil Schemes on the PGE/BCR

Mike Barone & John Zuk- Growing up in the West Kootenays : An Old Fashioned Slide Show

Frank Leonard - The CPR in Vancouver: Myth and Mismanagement by a noted Author/Historian

Gordon Varney - Scratchbuilding a Tunnel Portal

Larry Sebelly - An update on Free-Mo

Greg Kennelly - Pacific Great Eastern Railway Marine Operations 1914-1957

Wendy Magnall - Backdrop painting

Andrew Hutchinson - Modeling Pacific Northwest Scenery


Cost for BC RPM /Trains 2009 Registration is $20 CDN
Does not include banquet, layout or prototype tours. Operating sessions free but first come first serve. Operating session attendees must Pre-register.

Saturday night escorted layout tour TBA. Cost $25 CDN.

Sunday night Banquet features guest speaker Ken Rutherford of the Alberni Pacific Steam Railroad. Cost $30 CDN.

Monday Proto tour is a walkaround of Southern Railway of BC's Trapp yard Shops.
Cost is $5 CDN.

TRAINS 2009 is located at:
Cameron Centre (across from Lougheed Mall)
9523 Cameron Street
Burnaby, BC, Canada

Cameron Centre is under thirty minutes from downtown Vancouver using Skytrain to Lougheed station.

For more information regarding Trains 2009 and online registration see www.bctrains.org

If you are planning on attending the RPM meet feel free to drop a line at
ahutchinson.mudbay@gmail.com

Andrew Hutchinson, BC RPM co-ordinator


Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
How come we can crucify Intermountain (and others) but not
Sunshine for errors like this? This is just plain "head up
and locked" manufacturing.
Jerry Glow
Jerry

Resin kits (esp Martin's) often have parts that don't fit well
together. I think if you check the archives you'll find we have
discussed this in the past.

What was the saying? Gettysburg was the price the South paid for
having Robert E. Lee? Well, these resin issues are the price we
pay for having such a tremendous number of prototype models from
Sunshine... errors and all.
----- Original Message -----

That assumes that having a large number of kits is fundamentally incompatible with kits that are engineered well enough to be buildable (*).

I do not believe that assumption is still valid.

KL


(*) I have made enough models - plastic, resin, and hybrid - to have a realistic understanding of what "buildable" means, so please save yourself the effort writing about how resin kits aren't Athearn blue boxes, etc., etc.


Re: Star Brand Paints

Gene <losgatos48@...>
 

Tim
I shoot straight Future on models most of the time. It can be thinned with Testors Airbrush Thinner for Acrylics. The Polyscale thinner has caused problems.

Gene Deimling

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, VINCE PUGLIESE <gigitreosei@...> wrote:

Tim::

This might prove useful if you are interested in using Future:

http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html

..vp



________________________________
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 12:40:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Star Brand Paints



Since Star is similar to Accupaint, it requires a lot of thinning
and is helped somewhat by a small amount of retarder. Also it can
be very sensitive to ambient humidity and this can affect the final
finish significantly. (High humidity can result in a flat, chalky
finish.)

Gene how do you spray Future -- do you thin it with something? What
pressure do you use?

Tim O'Connor

At 10/1/2009 11:53 AM Thursday, you wrote:
Lee
I have used a number of the Star colors. Most of the line that I have used dries to an "eggshell" finish. The one exception is DARK OLIVE. They sell a clear gloss lacquer that works very well. You can use Future floor wax also.

Gene Deimling



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Re: Star Brand Paints

VINCE PUGLIESE
 

Tim::

This might prove useful if you are interested in using Future:

http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html

..vp



________________________________
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 12:40:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Star Brand Paints



Since Star is similar to Accupaint, it requires a lot of thinning
and is helped somewhat by a small amount of retarder. Also it can
be very sensitive to ambient humidity and this can affect the final
finish significantly. (High humidity can result in a flat, chalky
finish.)

Gene how do you spray Future -- do you thin it with something? What
pressure do you use?

Tim O'Connor

At 10/1/2009 11:53 AM Thursday, you wrote:
Lee
I have used a number of the Star colors. Most of the line that I have used dries to an "eggshell" finish. The one exception is DARK OLIVE. They sell a clear gloss lacquer that works very well. You can use Future floor wax also.

Gene Deimling


Re: New Decal Announcement: IC Airslides

Daniel Kohlberg
 

Hi Bill,

I will forever be a Scalecoat guy, and their MOW Gray, tinted appropriately with a drop or two of black as needed, handles many of my IC projects.

Dan Kohlberg

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Oct 1, 2009 11:39 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: New Decal Announcement: IC Airslides

This good news. I can use this for one of my undec. Athearn Airslides and adapt the lettering for one of my undec. Athearn 3-bay PS2's!

Any suggestions for shades of grey for the IC's LO's in 1955?

Bill Welch


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Kohlberg" <paducah@...> wrote:

I am pleased to announce the release of my latest decal set:

ICG-52 Illinois Central GATC 2600 Airslide Covered Hoppers.

The decal set contains enough lettering for 3 different IC cars in the
original scheme. The era is 1955 through the early 1990s. The IC rostered
196 of the cars total (across 8 GATC orders), and about half of them
survived in original paint until the end.

Please check out my web site for photos, more info, and pricing:
http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg52.htm

Thanks everyone!

Dan Kohlberg
paducah@...

ICG Decal Web Page
http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah


Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

Tim O'Connor
 

How come we can crucify Intermountain (and others) but not
Sunshine for errors like this? This is just plain "head up
and locked" manufacturing.
Jerry Glow
Jerry

Resin kits (esp Martin's) often have parts that don't fit well
together. I think if you check the archives you'll find we have
discussed this in the past.

What was the saying? Gettysburg was the price the South paid for
having Robert E. Lee? Well, these resin issues are the price we
pay for having such a tremendous number of prototype models from
Sunshine... errors and all.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Star Brand Paints

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

Did you thin the paint at least 1:1 with thinner? Did you add
a few drops of retarder?

At 10/1/2009 11:32 AM Thursday, you wrote:
Marty,

The Star Brand paints I have used dry to what I would call a
semi-gloss. The loco I just painted with their Satin Black is really
quite flat thus prompting my question about applying a gloss coat before
decalling.

Lee


Re: Star Brand Paints

Tim O'Connor
 

Since Star is similar to Accupaint, it requires a lot of thinning
and is helped somewhat by a small amount of retarder. Also it can
be very sensitive to ambient humidity and this can affect the final
finish significantly. (High humidity can result in a flat, chalky
finish.)

Gene how do you spray Future -- do you thin it with something? What
pressure do you use?

Tim O'Connor

At 10/1/2009 11:53 AM Thursday, you wrote:
Lee
I have used a number of the Star colors. Most of the line that I have used dries to an "eggshell" finish. The one exception is DARK OLIVE. They sell a clear gloss lacquer that works very well. You can use Future floor wax also.

Gene Deimling


Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

Paul Lyons
 

Tom,



Very eloquent! You should have bee a defense attorney.



Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: pullmanboss <tgmadden@worldnet.att.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:44 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1







How come we can crucify Intermountain (and others) but not Sunshine for errors like this? This is just plain "head up and locked" manufacturing.
Because such errors in a plastic kit are built/designed in, and every kit will have them. With resin kits they are typically vagaries of the casting process and affect only a few kits. Yes, there have certainly been poorly designed resin kits, but in principle every resin kit ends up in the hands of a builder who is can cope with such shortcomings. Also, it's one thing to have 200 - 300 resin kits with errors, and quite another to put 10,000 - 20,000 defective plastic kits out there.

Tom Madden


Re: Star Brand Paints

losgatos48 <losgatos48@...>
 

Lee
I have used a number of the Star colors. Most of the line that I have used dries to an "eggshell" finish. The one exception is DARK OLIVE. They sell a clear gloss lacquer that works very well. You can use Future floor wax also.

Gene Deimling

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "snoqualmier" <leethwaits@...> wrote:

Is it necessary to put a gloss coat over PBL's Star Brand Paints before applying decals?

Lee Thwaits


Re: New Decal Announcement: IC Airslides

Bill Welch
 

This good news. I can use this for one of my undec. Athearn Airslides and adapt the lettering for one of my undec. Athearn 3-bay PS2's!

Any suggestions for shades of grey for the IC's LO's in 1955?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Kohlberg" <paducah@...> wrote:

I am pleased to announce the release of my latest decal set:

ICG-52 Illinois Central GATC 2600 Airslide Covered Hoppers.

The decal set contains enough lettering for 3 different IC cars in the
original scheme. The era is 1955 through the early 1990s. The IC rostered
196 of the cars total (across 8 GATC orders), and about half of them
survived in original paint until the end.

Please check out my web site for photos, more info, and pricing:
http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg52.htm

Thanks everyone!

Dan Kohlberg
paducah@...

ICG Decal Web Page
http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah


Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

al_brown03
 

I have this kit, am ready to start some new projects. Let me see if mine has the same problem.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "pullmanboss" <tgmadden@...> wrote:

How come we can crucify Intermountain (and others) but not Sunshine for errors like this? This is just plain "head up and locked" manufacturing.
Because such errors in a plastic kit are built/designed in, and every kit will have them. With resin kits they are typically vagaries of the casting process and affect only a few kits. Yes, there have certainly been poorly designed resin kits, but in principle every resin kit ends up in the hands of a builder who is can cope with such shortcomings. Also, it's one thing to have 200 - 300 resin kits with errors, and quite another to put 10,000 - 20,000 defective plastic kits out there.

Tom Madden


Re: Star Brand Paints

Lee Thwaits <leethwaits@...>
 

Marty,

The Star Brand paints I have used dry to what I would call a semi-gloss. The loco I just painted with their Satin Black is really quite flat thus prompting my question about applying a gloss coat before decalling.

Lee


Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

How come we can crucify Intermountain (and others) but not Sunshine for errors like this? This is just plain "head up and locked" manufacturing.
Because such errors in a plastic kit are built/designed in, and every kit will have them. With resin kits they are typically vagaries of the casting process and affect only a few kits. Yes, there have certainly been poorly designed resin kits, but in principle every resin kit ends up in the hands of a builder who is can cope with such shortcomings. Also, it's one thing to have 200 - 300 resin kits with errors, and quite another to put 10,000 - 20,000 defective plastic kits out there.

Tom Madden


Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

Charles Hladik
 

Tom,
An error is still an error, especially if it is as glaring as I have
read in the posts..
Chuck Hladik


In a message dated 10/1/2009 10:45:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tgmadden@worldnet.att.net writes:




How come we can crucify Intermountain (and others) but not Sunshine for
errors like this? This is just plain "head up and locked" manufacturing.

Because such errors in a plastic kit are built/designed in, and every kit
will have them. With resin kits they are typically vagaries of the casting
process and affect only a few kits. Yes, there have certainly been poorly
designed resin kits, but in principle every resin kit ends up in the hands of
a builder who is can cope with such shortcomings. Also, it's one thing to
have 200 - 300 resin kits with errors, and quite another to put 10,000 -
20,000 defective plastic kits out there.

Tom Madden


Re: Star Brand Paints

Marty McGuirk
 

Lee,



The Star Paints dry glossy - the finish is very similar to Accupaint or Scalecoat. The only exception may be one or two of the specific weathering colors, but I've not used them so can't say for certain.



Marty


Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

jerryglow2
 

How come we can crucify Intermountain (and others) but not Sunshine for errors like this? This is just plain "head up and locked" manufacturing.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

Has anyone else found that the floor does not fit any of the dimensions of the body, that it just falls inside? The floor piece is shorter and much more narrow then the cavity it is suppose to fill. LOL, how can a 36 foot long boxcar have a 34 foot long floor casting? Has anyone added styrene to get the floor to fit as opposed to sink inside the body? I have not a floor so small before!


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


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