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Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1
Kurt, although many resin kits (and plastic kits) have problems,
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I have yet to encounter a Sunshine kit that is not buildable. Hard to build, yes, but not unbuildable. Very, very few model trains are perfectly engineered. The Gould (now Tichy) kits came close. Kadee PS-1 and PS-2 cars come close. Only a few resin kits (from Railyard and SC&F) come close. And of course, if you don't like Sunshine kits, don't buy 'em. I don't think Martin's going to re-engineer them now. YMMV.
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BC RPM meet coming up
Greg Martin
Here's a note I picked up and I feel we can get behind. Another Prototype Modelers Meet! You might recognize some names as well. These folks were very supportive of our Rails by the River Meet in August, might see you there.
Greg Martin BC RPM British Columbia's Own Prototype Modeling Event Just a reminder, BC RPM is now only six weeks away. Since it was first announced we have another five clinics confirmed for the weekend. More clinics will be added in the coming weeks so stay tuned. Held in association with Trains 2009, the second annual BC Railroad Prototype Modeler's meet will take place in Burnaby, BC on November 14th, 2009. The RPM display portion of the meet will be 10AM to 4PM Saturday. Clinics run one stream Saturday and two streams Sunday for what will likely total 18 clinics. The usual bit about ALL SCALES ALL ROADS goes without saying. So if you've been working away on something be it a structure, diorama, freight car or locomotive, in-progress or finished, bring it out and participate in a friendly and informative afternoon. And don't forget to check out the rest of the show while you're at it. Beyond the RPM meet and Clinic line-up, TRAINS 2009 has a lot to offer enthusiasts. The exhibition runs from the evening of Friday, November 13th through to Monday, November 16th and features Operating sessions, a Public show, an Escorted layout tour, Sunday evening Banquet and a Prototype tour. Below are some of this year's Clinic line-up. For more detailed clinic descriptions and a tentative schedule go to www.bctrains.org Dave Love - History of the CPR Caboose Fleet Joe Smuin - Ghost Train to the Border: A look at the KVR from Penticton to Osoyoos Brian Pate - From the prototype to model operations: Lessons we've learned from the Klondike Mines Railway Marc Simpson - Mining and Smelting Railways of British Columbia Frank Valoczy - Imperial Oil Tank Cars Timothy Horton - Freight Car Paint & Stencil Schemes on the PGE/BCR Mike Barone & John Zuk- Growing up in the West Kootenays : An Old Fashioned Slide Show Frank Leonard - The CPR in Vancouver: Myth and Mismanagement by a noted Author/Historian Gordon Varney - Scratchbuilding a Tunnel Portal Larry Sebelly - An update on Free-Mo Greg Kennelly - Pacific Great Eastern Railway Marine Operations 1914-1957 Wendy Magnall - Backdrop painting Andrew Hutchinson - Modeling Pacific Northwest Scenery Cost for BC RPM /Trains 2009 Registration is $20 CDN Does not include banquet, layout or prototype tours. Operating sessions free but first come first serve. Operating session attendees must Pre-register. Saturday night escorted layout tour TBA. Cost $25 CDN. Sunday night Banquet features guest speaker Ken Rutherford of the Alberni Pacific Steam Railroad. Cost $30 CDN. Monday Proto tour is a walkaround of Southern Railway of BC's Trapp yard Shops. Cost is $5 CDN. TRAINS 2009 is located at: Cameron Centre (across from Lougheed Mall) 9523 Cameron Street Burnaby, BC, Canada Cameron Centre is under thirty minutes from downtown Vancouver using Skytrain to Lougheed station. For more information regarding Trains 2009 and online registration see www.bctrains.org If you are planning on attending the RPM meet feel free to drop a line at ahutchinson.mudbay@... Andrew Hutchinson, BC RPM co-ordinator
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Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1
Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
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From: Tim O'Connor JerryHow come we can crucify Intermountain (and others) but not Resin kits (esp Martin's) often have parts that don't fit well together. I think if you check the archives you'll find we have discussed this in the past. What was the saying? Gettysburg was the price the South paid for having Robert E. Lee? Well, these resin issues are the price we pay for having such a tremendous number of prototype models from Sunshine... errors and all. ----- Original Message ----- That assumes that having a large number of kits is fundamentally incompatible with kits that are engineered well enough to be buildable (*). I do not believe that assumption is still valid. KL (*) I have made enough models - plastic, resin, and hybrid - to have a realistic understanding of what "buildable" means, so please save yourself the effort writing about how resin kits aren't Athearn blue boxes, etc., etc.
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Re: Star Brand Paints
Gene <losgatos48@...>
Tim
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I shoot straight Future on models most of the time. It can be thinned with Testors Airbrush Thinner for Acrylics. The Polyscale thinner has caused problems. Gene Deimling
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Re: Star Brand Paints
VINCE PUGLIESE
Tim::
This might prove useful if you are interested in using Future: http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html ..vp ________________________________ From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 12:40:37 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Star Brand Paints Since Star is similar to Accupaint, it requires a lot of thinning and is helped somewhat by a small amount of retarder. Also it can be very sensitive to ambient humidity and this can affect the final finish significantly. (High humidity can result in a flat, chalky finish.) Gene how do you spray Future -- do you thin it with something? What pressure do you use? Tim O'Connor At 10/1/2009 11:53 AM Thursday, you wrote: Lee
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Re: New Decal Announcement: IC Airslides
Daniel Kohlberg
Hi Bill,
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I will forever be a Scalecoat guy, and their MOW Gray, tinted appropriately with a drop or two of black as needed, handles many of my IC projects. Dan Kohlberg
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Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1
JerryHow come we can crucify Intermountain (and others) but not Resin kits (esp Martin's) often have parts that don't fit well together. I think if you check the archives you'll find we have discussed this in the past. What was the saying? Gettysburg was the price the South paid for having Robert E. Lee? Well, these resin issues are the price we pay for having such a tremendous number of prototype models from Sunshine... errors and all. Tim O'Connor
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Re: Star Brand Paints
Lee
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Did you thin the paint at least 1:1 with thinner? Did you add a few drops of retarder?
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Marty,
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Re: Star Brand Paints
Since Star is similar to Accupaint, it requires a lot of thinning
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and is helped somewhat by a small amount of retarder. Also it can be very sensitive to ambient humidity and this can affect the final finish significantly. (High humidity can result in a flat, chalky finish.) Gene how do you spray Future -- do you thin it with something? What pressure do you use? Tim O'Connor
At 10/1/2009 11:53 AM Thursday, you wrote:
Lee
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Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1
Paul Lyons
Tom,
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Very eloquent! You should have bee a defense attorney. Paul Lyons
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From: pullmanboss <tgmadden@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:44 am Subject: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1 How come we can crucify Intermountain (and others) but not Sunshine for errors like this? This is just plain "head up and locked" manufacturing.Because such errors in a plastic kit are built/designed in, and every kit will have them. With resin kits they are typically vagaries of the casting process and affect only a few kits. Yes, there have certainly been poorly designed resin kits, but in principle every resin kit ends up in the hands of a builder who is can cope with such shortcomings. Also, it's one thing to have 200 - 300 resin kits with errors, and quite another to put 10,000 - 20,000 defective plastic kits out there. Tom Madden
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Re: Star Brand Paints
losgatos48 <losgatos48@...>
Lee
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I have used a number of the Star colors. Most of the line that I have used dries to an "eggshell" finish. The one exception is DARK OLIVE. They sell a clear gloss lacquer that works very well. You can use Future floor wax also. Gene Deimling
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Re: New Decal Announcement: IC Airslides
Bill Welch
This good news. I can use this for one of my undec. Athearn Airslides and adapt the lettering for one of my undec. Athearn 3-bay PS2's!
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Any suggestions for shades of grey for the IC's LO's in 1955? Bill Welch
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Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1
al_brown03
I have this kit, am ready to start some new projects. Let me see if mine has the same problem.
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Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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How come we can crucify Intermountain (and others) but not Sunshine for errors like this? This is just plain "head up and locked" manufacturing.Because such errors in a plastic kit are built/designed in, and every kit will have them. With resin kits they are typically vagaries of the casting process and affect only a few kits. Yes, there have certainly been poorly designed resin kits, but in principle every resin kit ends up in the hands of a builder who is can cope with such shortcomings. Also, it's one thing to have 200 - 300 resin kits with errors, and quite another to put 10,000 - 20,000 defective plastic kits out there.
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Re: Star Brand Paints
Lee Thwaits <leethwaits@...>
Marty,
The Star Brand paints I have used dry to what I would call a semi-gloss. The loco I just painted with their Satin Black is really quite flat thus prompting my question about applying a gloss coat before decalling. Lee
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Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1
pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
How come we can crucify Intermountain (and others) but not Sunshine for errors like this? This is just plain "head up and locked" manufacturing.Because such errors in a plastic kit are built/designed in, and every kit will have them. With resin kits they are typically vagaries of the casting process and affect only a few kits. Yes, there have certainly been poorly designed resin kits, but in principle every resin kit ends up in the hands of a builder who is can cope with such shortcomings. Also, it's one thing to have 200 - 300 resin kits with errors, and quite another to put 10,000 - 20,000 defective plastic kits out there. Tom Madden
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Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1
Charles Hladik
Tom,
An error is still an error, especially if it is as glaring as I have read in the posts.. Chuck Hladik In a message dated 10/1/2009 10:45:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tgmadden@... writes: How come we can crucify Intermountain (and others) but not Sunshine forerrors like this? This is just plain "head up and locked" manufacturing. Because such errors in a plastic kit are built/designed in, and every kit will have them. With resin kits they are typically vagaries of the casting process and affect only a few kits. Yes, there have certainly been poorly designed resin kits, but in principle every resin kit ends up in the hands of a builder who is can cope with such shortcomings. Also, it's one thing to have 200 - 300 resin kits with errors, and quite another to put 10,000 - 20,000 defective plastic kits out there. Tom Madden
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Re: Star Brand Paints
Marty McGuirk
Lee,
The Star Paints dry glossy - the finish is very similar to Accupaint or Scalecoat. The only exception may be one or two of the specific weathering colors, but I've not used them so can't say for certain. Marty
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Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1
jerryglow2
How come we can crucify Intermountain (and others) but not Sunshine for errors like this? This is just plain "head up and locked" manufacturing.
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Jerry Glow
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New Decal Announcement: IC Airslides
Daniel Kohlberg
I am pleased to announce the release of my latest decal set:
ICG-52 Illinois Central GATC 2600 Airslide Covered Hoppers. The decal set contains enough lettering for 3 different IC cars in the original scheme. The era is 1955 through the early 1990s. The IC rostered 196 of the cars total (across 8 GATC orders), and about half of them survived in original paint until the end. Please check out my web site for photos, more info, and pricing: http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg52.htm Thanks everyone! Dan Kohlberg paducah@... ICG Decal Web Page http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah
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BC RPM meet update
hockenheim68
BC RPM
British Columbia's Own Prototype Modeling Event Just a reminder, BC RPM is now only six weeks away. Since it was first announced we have another five clinics confirmed for the weekend. More clinics will be added in the coming weeks so stay tuned. Held in association with Trains 2009, the second annual BC Railroad Prototype Modeler's meet will take place in Burnaby, BC on November 14th, 2009. The RPM dislplay portion of the meet will be 10AM to 4PM Saturday. Clinics run one stream Saturday and two streams Sunday for what will likely total 18 clinics. The usual bit about ALL SCALES ALL ROADS goes without saying. So if you've been working away on something be it a structure, diorama, freight car or locomotive, in-progress or finished, bring it out and participate in a friendly and informative afternoon. And don't forget to check out the rest of the show while you're at it. Beyond the RPM meet and Clinic line-up, TRAINS 2009 has a lot to offer enthusiasts. The exhibition runs from the evening of Friday, November 13th through to Monday, November 16th and features Operating sessions, a Public show, an Escorted layout tour, Sunday evening Banquet and a Prototype tour. Below are some of this year's Clinic line-up. For more detailed clinic descriptions and a tentative schedule go to www.bctrains.org Dave Love - History of the CPR Caboose Fleet Joe Smuin - Ghost Train to the Border: A look at the KVR from Penticton to Osoyoos Brian Pate - From the prototype to model operations: Lessons we've learned from the Klondike Mines Railway Marc Simpson - Mining and Smelting Railways of British Columbia Frank Valoczy - Imperial Oil Tank Cars Timothy Horton - Freight Car Paint & Stencil Schemes on the PGE/BCR Mike Barone & John Zuk- Growing up in the West Kootenays : An Old Fashioned Slide Show Frank Leonard - The CPR in Vancouver: Myth and Mismanagement by a noted Author/Historian Gordon Varney - Scratchbuilding a Tunnel Portal Larry Sebelly - An update on Free-Mo Greg Kennelly - Pacific Great Eastern Railway Marine Operations 1914-1957 Wendy Magnall - Backdrop painting Andrew Hutchinson - Modeling Pacific Northwest Scenery Cost for BC RPM /Trains 2009 Registration is $20 CDN Does not include banquet, layout or prototype tours. Operating sessions free but first come first serve. Operating session attendees must Pre-register. Saturday night escorted layout tour TBA. Cost $25 CDN. Sunday night Banquet features guest speaker Ken Rutherford of the Alberni Pacific Steam Railroad. Cost $30 CDN. Monday Proto tour is a walkaround of Southern Railway of BC's Trapp yard Shops. Cost is $5 CDN. TRAINS 2009 is located at: Cameron Centre (across from Lougheed Mall) 9523 Cameron Street Burnaby, BC, Canada Cameron Centre is under thirty minutes from downtown Vancouver using Skytrain to Lougheed station. For more information regarding Trains 2009 and online registration see www.bctrains.org If you are planning on attending the RPM meet feel free to drop a line at ahutchinson.mudbay@... Andrew Hutchinson, BC RPM co-ordinator
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