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Re: Lettering help B&O Wagontops

roblmclear <rob.mclear2@...>
 

Thanks Otto and to all of the other members that have replied both on and off list, I have the information that I needed now, thanks again to all.

Rob.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, otask@... wrote:


Rob,

you've been busy...:)

While I am no B&O expert, I built a couple of the Fine N scale resin kits some years back a did a little research in the process. There were a number lettering variations?riding the?the rails in?your '47 era, but a newly painted car would most likely have the modified post war herald on the right side, second panel, and "Baltimore & Ohio" lettering on the left top, with reintroduced reporting marks below. The large B&O wasn't inttroduced until the mid-fifties. Mont Switzer did a nice article in teh 93 Mainline Modeler; I'll send you some backup off group.



Regards, Otto Kroutil


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7' Doors was Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

brianleppert@att.net
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Greg Martin wrote:
There are worst error than this. His PRR X29b has a door that is too
big it is actually about 7'_6" which renders the car useless or at
least a major PITA.
Were not the door OPENINGS on the X29b 7 feet? And would not
the door itself then be 7'6"?

Tony Thompson
According to drawings in the CBC, a Youngstown door is 4-5/8" wider than the opening behind it, which would make a 7' door actually 7 feet, 4 and 5/8ths inches wide

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV
Conductor Fraley’s Train Book, Sept-Oct, 1938 – contents

Wendye Ware
 

Hi Everyone

Here are the contents of the cars listed in Conductor Fraley's Union Pacific Freight Conductors' Train Book, 9/12/1938 to 10/18/1938. During this time period Fraley rode 43 trains on the UP mainline between Laramie and Rawlins, Wyoming.

Eastbound, Rawlins to Laramie
Contents and number of cars
Spuds: 216
Grps: 157 (Grapes)
Letts: 148 (Lettuce)
Lbr: 113 (Lumber)
Empty: 98
Apples: 73
Sheep: 66
Pears: 39
Prunes: 32
MR: 30 (I don't know what this is.)
Cattle: 28
Onions: 28
Carrots: 26
Peas: 24
Cd Gds: 22 (Canned goods)
Co RM: 21 (I don't know what this is.)
Toms: 20 (Tomatoes)
Co MR: 18 (I don't know what this is.)
Mdse: 18 (Merchandise)
Sugar: 15
Beans: 14
Wheat: 14
Lks: 9 (I don't know what this is.)
Bull: 8 (I don't know what this is. Bullion?)
Raisin: 8
Co Mtl: 7 (Company material?)
Orgs: 6 (Oranges)
Zinc: 6
Co Coal: 5 (Company coal?)
Flour: 5
Peaches: 5
Other: 88
Grand Total: 1,367

Westbound, Laramie to Rawlins
Contents and number of cars
Empty: 567
Mdse: 247 (Merchandise)
Co Mtl: 82 (Company material?)
Oil: 59
Auto Pts: 37 (Auto parts)
Mchy: 23 (Machinery?)
Autos: 22
Drugs: 14
Cattle: 9
MR: 11 (I don't know what this is.)
(No contents listed): 9
Pipe: 8
Coke: 6
Hogs: 6
Steel: 6
Cheese: 5
Co Slk: 5 (I don't know what this is.)
Corn: 5
Meat: 5
Paper: 5
Other: 150
Grand Total: 1,281

The westbound empties tended to be lumped together: Three trains were entirely empty, and another had only two loads.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming
Duluth 1905

gary laakso
 

Take a look at that fleet of Armour reefers, Courtesy of Northern Pacific list. Is that a young Mike Brock playing in the yard? Bill Welsh, which Fruit Growers class did these Armour reefers become?


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net




Here is a link to a fabulous shot of Duluth in 1905, with lots of NP
boxcars (including a 36-ft with the steel fishbelly sideframe), and a
variety of other cars, including a VERY swaybacked gondola!

http://www.shorpy.com/node/6920?size=_original

Enjoy!

Chuck Soule
Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

Greg Martin
 

No Tony, the doors on a car with a 7-foot opening don't have a 7'-6" door
and it is a bit bigger than 7'-6" as well. It just wrong.. 3^(

Greg Martin

In a message dated 10/3/2009 9:22:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
thompson@signaturepress.com writes:

Were not the door OPENINGS on the X29b 7 feet? And would not
the door itself then be 7'6"?
Re: Conductor Fraley's Train Book, Sept-Oct, 1938

Dave Nelson
 

-----Original Message-----

Along the lines of conductor train books, I see 39 SP conductor train books
on sale on e-bay - split up into 9 lots - not cheap.

Too bad there isn't some form of association where members could share in
the expense, then share in the analysis and results. These books range from
'42 to '68.

Dve Evans
------------------------------------

I am bidding on all of them. If the other bidder is on this list, pls advise
me.

Dave Nelson
Re: incorrectly packed Sunshine kits was Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

Dennis Williams
 

I need to be kicked in the knee for that!!!  Ted, next time yu see me, I will let you kick me in the knee!! Please be nice, though. Thank you, Armand.  I know that there are a few others.  While we are at it,  Anyone have a all time list of the builders??   Thanks, all.
 
Dennis Williams
Munhall, Pa.
www.resinbuilders4u.com

On Sat, 10/3/09, Armand Premo <armprem2@surfglobal.net> wrote:


From: Armand Premo <armprem2@surfglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] incorrectly packed Sunshine kits was Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 8:40 AM


 



Don't forget Speedwitch.. ......... ......... ......... Top drawer.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Williams
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] incorrectly packed Sunshine kits was Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

I agree with you, Tom. These are not the "shake the box kits" , which are starting to get few and far between. If you are buying a Sunshine, F&C, Westerfield, Pacific Mountian, Rail Yard Models, Modelers Choice, Sylvan, the list goes on and on, I would consider you a craftsman. We should be proud at these manufactures that they take the risks to develop these kits. Who knows IF they will ever sell.
I do have one question, Would you be happy if this kit was not produced??? I have one and enjoyed it. Thanks, Martian!!
I would like to thank ALL the manufactures, researcher, publishers and the professional builders that make these kits happen. This includes you, Mr. Jim Hayes. Thanks, guys and gals, Please keep up the good work!!!

Dennis Williams
Munhall, Pa.
www.resinbuilders4u .com


--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturep ress.com> wrote:

From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturep ress.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] incorrectly packed Sunshine kits was Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 4:13 PM

Tom Olsen wrote:
Perhaps we should encourage Jim Hayes to add a list of the
incorrectly packaged Sunshine kits to his unofficial Sunshine
Website. This would alert those of us to the specific kit numbers
that have incorrect parts so that they could request replacements.
Tom, you make a huge assumption here: that all kits are packed
the same, either correctly or incorrectly. Given Martin and Patricia's
overall competence, I'd think it FAR more likely that only the
occasional kit, of whatever kit number, gets packed wrong.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history



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Re: Sunshine errata list

Dennis Williams
 

Jim.
  I will be glad to help if needed.
 
Dennis Williams
Munhall,Pa.
www.resinbuilders4u.com

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@verizon.net> wrote:


From: Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@verizon.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine errata list
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:05 AM


 



OK, this might be an idea worth following up on. I am a terrible
procrastinator so this may or may not come to fruition. I propose a list
composed of the following. I would start off with something about the fact
that parts problems may be (probably are) one box errors but if you have
this kit you may want to check your box. Then follow it up with a list
containing this...
Kit #
Kit Description
Reported by
Date reported
Confirmed by (optional) (required if reporting instruction/ PDS error?)
Text about problem with possible link to prototype photo.

I wasn't thinking about this list when the 'floor problem' thread started so
I might be missing something but so far I have...
Kit 85.1, L&N boxcar, wrong floor
X29B, wrong doors
CMO USRA rebuild, wrong sides.

If or when someone has a problem to report, I think it would be better to
send it to the group for possible discussion/filterin g before I add it to
the list.

Comments?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits. com
Re: Sunshine errata list

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:

I wasn't thinking about this list when the 'floor problem' thread started so
I might be missing something but so far I have...
Kit 85.1, L&N boxcar, wrong floor
X29B, wrong doors
CMO USRA rebuild, wrong sides.

If or when someone has a problem to report, I think it would be better to
send it to the group for possible discussion/filtering before I add it to
the list.

Comments?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com
Jim,
I would not waste my time trying to keep track of isolated packaging errors, as such a list would not be useful in my opinion. A list of verified errors in the accuracy of the castings themselves would be useful, in my opinion, as would any "how I fixed it" information that is available.

For anyone who still cares, the "wrong sides" in my CMO USRA rebuild kit were the 1950s rebuild versions with Superior doors, when I had ordered the earlier versions with Youngstown doors. Really, not a big deal at all. It isn't as if I received a set of PFE reefer sides in my boxes.

Is anyone else as excited for Naperville as I am? The new NYC rebuilds look sweet!

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, Iowa
Re: Sunshine errata list

tmolsen@...
 

Jim,

An errata list as you have proposed is a great idea! Your suggestion to continue to filter problems through the list membership is also a good idea to continue as it gets wide circulation.

My post, however received, and Tim O'Connor's suggestion helped to bring about a place that some of us with large numbers of unbuilt kits can check when a problem is posted regarding a kits contents. Errors or omissions are part of life and those who provide us with the kits we buy are just as prone to problems as the rest of us. I have the greatest respect for those who provide us with the best equipment that has been made in this hobby and will continue to add to the pile of kits that I already have from Al, Martin, Ted, and the other major urethane kit makers!

Thanks for your assistance!

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu
Sunshine errata list

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

OK, this might be an idea worth following up on. I am a terrible
procrastinator so this may or may not come to fruition. I propose a list
composed of the following. I would start off with something about the fact
that parts problems may be (probably are) one box errors but if you have
this kit you may want to check your box. Then follow it up with a list
containing this...
Kit #
Kit Description
Reported by
Date reported
Confirmed by (optional) (required if reporting instruction/PDS error?)
Text about problem with possible link to prototype photo.

I wasn't thinking about this list when the 'floor problem' thread started so
I might be missing something but so far I have...
Kit 85.1, L&N boxcar, wrong floor
X29B, wrong doors
CMO USRA rebuild, wrong sides.

If or when someone has a problem to report, I think it would be better to
send it to the group for possible discussion/filtering before I add it to
the list.

Comments?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com
Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Greg Martin wrote:
There are worst error than this. His PRR X29b has a door that is too big it is actually about 7'_6" which renders the car useless or at least a major PITA.
Were not the door OPENINGS on the X29b 7 feet? And would not the door itself then be 7'6"?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history
1905 freight cars; Duluth MN

Dave Johnson
 

This web site has recently posted 1905 photos that show the rail yards in Duluth MN. Lots of great old wood freight and passenger cars are shown in the views.

http://www.shorpy.com/
incorrectly packed Sunshine kits was Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <tmolsen@...> wrote:

My response was a result of reading those and of Robert D. Heninger's post where he noted that he had the wrong sides for the kit that he purchased. He did not say in his post though, whether he bought the kit from Martin through the mail or at an event where Martin was in attendance.
Group,
I will just add a final comment or two before I cease commentary because we are starting to beat a dying, if not dead, horse with this thread. I had ordered my CMO USRA rebuild kits through the mail, so I don't know if they were leftovers from a batch that had been cast for a show or not.

Frankly, as far as I was concerned, the inclusion of the wrong sides with my kits was a non-issue, as I knew the problem would be corrected. These are hand produced items, and mistakes will happen. The problem was fixed promptly, and all is well in my little corner of the world.

Finally, I would like to take the opportunity to thank Al Westerfield (and his wife, whose name I cannot remember), Martin and Tricia Lofton, Ted Culotta, Funaro and Camerlengo, Jim King, Aaron Gjermundson, Frank Hodina, Bill Welch, Charlie Slater, Stan Townsend, Vince Griesmer, Joe Pennington, Jon Cagle, Dennis Storzek, and anyone else who I have not named; who devote their time and talents to the development and production of masters, kits, and decals of steam era freight car kits. Often, this is done mostly as a labor of love, as these folks aren't getting rich for their efforts, and often have to hear plaintive wails of "Why don't you make a... or, "You said that would be out six months ago!" or "I would buy your kits, but they are too expensive". Their efforts have made it vastly easier to be a prototype modeler. I cannot imagine trying to create a replica of the GN in September 1949 if I had to research, create artwork for decals, and scratchbuild 75+% of the cars I need.

So, the bottom line: buy these kits and enjoy them, because they have essentially made our hobby (prototype modeling, not model railroading) possible. If they have errors in accuracy, please note them for the group, so that we may use that information to improve our models, or decide if we can accept the errors.

Thanks for your time.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, Iowa
Re: incorrectly packed Sunshine kits was Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

Armand Premo
 

Don't forget Speedwitch.............................Top drawer.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Williams
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] incorrectly packed Sunshine kits was Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1


I agree with you, Tom. These are not the "shake the box kits" , which are starting to get few and far between. If you are buying a Sunshine, F&C, Westerfield, Pacific Mountian, Rail Yard Models, Modelers Choice, Sylvan, the list goes on and on, I would consider you a craftsman. We should be proud at these manufactures that they take the risks to develop these kits. Who knows IF they will ever sell.
I do have one question, Would you be happy if this kit was not produced??? I have one and enjoyed it. Thanks, Martian!!
I would like to thank ALL the manufactures, researcher, publishers and the professional builders that make these kits happen. This includes you, Mr. Jim Hayes. Thanks, guys and gals, Please keep up the good work!!!

Dennis Williams
Munhall, Pa.
www.resinbuilders4u.com


--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com> wrote:

From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] incorrectly packed Sunshine kits was Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 4:13 PM



Tom Olsen wrote:
> Perhaps we should encourage Jim Hayes to add a list of the
> incorrectly packaged Sunshine kits to his unofficial Sunshine
> Website. This would alert those of us to the specific kit numbers
> that have incorrect parts so that they could request replacements.

Tom, you make a huge assumption here: that all kits are packed
the same, either correctly or incorrectly. Given Martin and Patricia's
overall competence, I'd think it FAR more likely that only the
occasional kit, of whatever kit number, gets packed wrong.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history








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Subject: Re: Re:More Reefer help

tmolsen@...
 

List,

My post to John was intended to be off list. My apologies for wasting the bandwidth!

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu
Re: More Reefer help

tmolsen@...
 

John,

How are you! Been a long time! Saw your post regarding Swift reefers in Classic Freight Cars #3! Who published that series? Somewhere I must have missed it!

Are you going to Naperville this year? I hear that Keith Jordan is going to pick it up next year. Tony Thompson mentioned it to me recently. Sounds fine to me!

regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu
Re: incorrectly packed Sunshine kits was Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

Dennis Williams
 

I made a BIG mistake.  I was in agreemnt with Tony, not Tom.  Again, sorry for the mistake.
 
Dennis Williams
Munhall, Pa.
www.resinbuilders4u.com

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] incorrectly packed Sunshine kits was Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 6:49 AM


 



   I agree with you, Tom. These are not the "shake the box kits" , which are starting to get few and far between. If you are buying a Sunshine, F&C, Westerfield, Pacific Mountian, Rail Yard Models, Modelers Choice, Sylvan, the list  goes on and on, I would consider you a craftsman.  We should be proud at these manufactures that they take the risks to develop these kits. Who knows IF they will ever sell.
   I do have one question, Would you be happy if this kit was not produced???  I have one and enjoyed it.  Thanks, Martian!!  
  I would like to thank ALL the manufactures, researcher, publishers and the professional builders that make these kits happen.  This includes you, Mr. Jim Hayes. Thanks, guys and gals,  Please keep up the good work!!!
 
Dennis Williams
Munhall, Pa.
www.resinbuilders4u .com
 

--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturep ress.com> wrote:

From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturep ress.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] incorrectly packed Sunshine kits was Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 4:13 PM

 

Tom Olsen wrote:
Perhaps we should encourage Jim Hayes to add a list of the
incorrectly packaged Sunshine kits to his unofficial Sunshine
Website. This would alert those of us to the specific kit numbers
that have incorrect parts so that they could request replacements.
Tom, you make a huge assumption here: that all kits are packed
the same, either correctly or incorrectly. Given Martin and Patricia's
overall competence, I'd think it FAR more likely that only the
occasional kit, of whatever kit number, gets packed wrong.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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Looking for Ken Miller

Jim King
 

I'm trying to locate Ken Miller, member of the Roanoke Chapter NRHS and
freight car historian but the email addy I have is no longer active. If
anyone can help, please contact me off list.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>;
Re: Lettering help B&O Wagontops

ottokroutil
 

Rob,

you've been busy...:)

While I am no B&O expert, I built a couple of the Fine N scale resin kits some years back a did a little research in the process. There were a number lettering variations?riding the?the rails in?your '47 era, but a newly painted car would most likely have the modified post war herald on the right side, second panel, and "Baltimore & Ohio" lettering on the left top, with reintroduced reporting marks below. The large B&O wasn't inttroduced until the mid-fifties. Mont Switzer did a nice article in teh 93 Mainline Modeler; I'll send you some backup off group.



Regards, Otto Kroutil
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