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Re: Kadee NYC Hoppers Announced

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee says about the alternative standard:


Vote No. 2.

Vote No. 3.

I have a video showing two such C&O cars in a train on the UP in the Whasatch Mtns in Utah. To get there from the east you have to go up that Hill...Lee? Johnston? Beauregard? Custer? Davis? JEB Stuart? Anyhow...

I actually just get tired of seeing those AAR Standard C&O hoppers on layouts. Yuk.

Mike Brock


Re: Kadee NYC Hoppers Announced

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Vote No. 2.

SGL

Not sure what Bill wants, but I want the alternate standard side car for
Erie, NKP C&O.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

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--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Could someone please wake me when a manufacturer offers the most common
version of the offset twin. InterMountain, Rapido, Tahoe, Athearn,
Branchline, Walther Proto 2000, is ANYONE listening?

Bill Welch
So, Bill, what's the most common version of the offset twin?

Dennis








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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol. 19

Schuyler Larrabee
 

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From: Tim O'Connor

Galvanized metal is very shiny when new, but quickly oxidizes to a
light gray, then darker gray as it ages.

Many of you must have some house or business in the neighborhood whose gutters and downspouts are
not painted. Those are galvanized, and turn dark, even, flat gray.

SGL





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Re: ACC Applicators

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

I agree with Bill. I use the cheap stuff found at the local hardware store. I don't use ACC in large quantities and found the
Hobby Shop bottles often dried up after long periods of dis-use, not just the tube, the entire bottle. It was a waste of money,
and as I don't live near a Hobby Shop, a real frustration. Now when a cheap tube dries up I just toss it, go to the fridge and get
a fresh one. And Yes I keep my ACC in the fridge, which seems to make it last longer.

I have a sheet of plate glass on the workbench, I squeeze out a little amount of ACC on the glass and use a straight pin stuck in
the end of a bamboo skewer as an applicator. Once the puddle dries I scrape it off the glass with a used single edge razor blade,
and squeeze out another drop. I have much better control with this applicator, less waste, and I don't glue my fingers together
anymore.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: The most common Offset Twin

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

The "most common" version of the offset side twin is not the "AAR standard"
version, or am I wrong? I guess we should discuss how many roads had how
many of each type, shouldn't we? I thought it was the AAR alternate standard
car, which has never been done by anyone, has it? L&N, C&O and many others
had many thousands of that AAR alt std car, too, didn't they?

Elden Gatwood
Bill is talking about the side sill variations of the AAR Standard car, specifically the straight side sills that make an offset toward the bottom of the car behind the side sheets vs. the version that has the sill straight for the length of the side sheets, and then angles up to the end sills. To use the AAR 70 ton triple to illustrate, the Accurail car has the later, while the Steward / Bowser car has the former.

I'm not in agreement with Bill, however, on the relative numbers of cars. There may have been more cars built total with the angled ends of the side sills,but it appears that there were more different roadnames had the straight sills at the end of the car.

Dennis


Re: The most common Offset Twin

Ed Hawkins
 

On Oct 8, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

L&N, C&O and many others
had many thousands of that AAR alt std car, too, didn't they?
Elden,
C&O had some 27,400 alternate standard cars with many variations of end
arrangements. L&N had zero alternate standard cars.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: The most common Offset Twin

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bill;

The "most common" version of the offset side twin is not the "AAR standard"
version, or am I wrong? I guess we should discuss how many roads had how
many of each type, shouldn't we? I thought it was the AAR alternate standard
car, which has never been done by anyone, has it? L&N, C&O and many others
had many thousands of that AAR alt std car, too, didn't they?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bill
Welch
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:32 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] The most common Offset Twin



The most common version did not have the ever so slight "swale" along the
bottom of the side sheathing but was straight along the bottom edge of the
car's side. The L&N and C&O had thousands of these and the Southern had
approximately 3,000. While one can "get there" using Athearn and Atlas
models, both involve removing molded on grabs and replacing with wire. The
Athearn example is not up to modern standards in that the inside of the car
is not modeled correctly.

Dennis, my apologies for leaving Accurail off the list I wish would do this
car. If you do it, please do not cast the grabs in place!
Personally, I don't care about the sill steps. There are only four per car.
But on hoppers the many grabs are out there for the world to see and need to
be modeled with wire, as with IM's covered hopper and Athearn's Airslide.

Bill Welch


FW: Re: Kadee NYC Hoppers Announced

Brian Carlson
 

Not sure what Bill wants, but I want the alternate standard side car for
Erie, NKP C&O.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

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Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:34 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Kadee NYC Hoppers Announced



--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Could someone please wake me when a manufacturer offers the most common
version of the offset twin. InterMountain, Rapido, Tahoe, Athearn,
Branchline, Walther Proto 2000, is ANYONE listening?

Bill Welch
So, Bill, what's the most common version of the offset twin?

Dennis


Re: ACC Applicators

Stokes John
 

Denny,

Thanks for taking the time to be detailed and explicit on your techniques. This kind of information and experience is invaluable and I for one appreciate the tips and will put your method to good use.

John Stokes
Bellevue, WA

To: STMFC@...
From: danspach@...
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:55:32 -0700
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ACC Applicators





















This is a copy of my reply to the same inquiry made recently on the

Passenger Car List:



Three lessons from life about the useful application of ACC from tubes:



1) When puncturing the tube opening, avoid any inadvertent squeezing

of the tube so that the contents are not under pressure to pour out.



2) *Never (ever!) allow these tubes to rest in any other position but

UPRIGHT (I keep square styrofoam scraps with V-shaped cuts in the

middle designed to hold these tubes)*.



These simple two directives above will result of having a tube of ACC

that- a) can last usable for months on end; and b) has a tip free

of any clogging.



3) Do not apply glue directly from tube, but only into a tiny

intermediate puddle (Westerfield technique) from which actual

application is made by needle or similar. Even then, let the glue flow

from the tip without squeezing the tube except perhaps with

imperceptible pressure at the very bottom.



Instead of glass for puddling, I use small squares of aluminum foil

reinforced by folding the edges. I puddle the very tiniest drop, and

I use steel sewing needle applicators in holders (superior!), rather

than pins. I keep an old razor blade handy to constantly "peel" off

any dried ACC on the applicator tip.



I purchase Asian-produced ACC tubes in bulk at flea markets for about

@ $0.15, and have been doing so for some years. Occasionally, I get a

dry tube, or a tube of ACC that sets so fast one does not have time to

work it, but on balance this stuff does exactly what I want and expect

it to do at very little cost. My current tube was opened for use this

past May, and the tube, the applicator, and the glue remain quite

usable.



Denny



Denny S. Anspach MD

Sacramento


The most common Offset Twin

Bill Welch
 

The most common version did not have the ever so slight "swale" along the bottom of the side sheathing but was straight along the bottom edge of the car's side. The L&N and C&O had thousands of these and the Southern had approximately 3,000. While one can "get there" using Athearn and Atlas models, both involve removing molded on grabs and replacing with wire. The Athearn example is not up to modern standards in that the inside of the car is not modeled correctly.

Dennis, my apologies for leaving Accurail off the list I wish would do this car. If you do it, please do not cast the grabs in place! Personally, I don't care about the sill steps. There are only four per car. But on hoppers the many grabs are out there for the world to see and need to be modeled with wire, as with IM's covered hopper and Athearn's Airslide.

Bill Welch


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol. 19

William Sharpe <wsharpe1@...>
 

Hi Ed;
Thank you for the heads up on RPC Volume 19. I will be sending my
remittance to you in the mail today and would like to receive my copy from
you at Naperville. I look forward to seeing you then.
Bill

William H. Sharpe
Hamilton, Ontario

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ed
Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:48 PM
To: STMFC Discussion Group
Subject: [STMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol. 19

STMFC Group,
The RP CYC Publishing Company is pleased to announce the imminent
release of RAILWAY PROTOTYPE CYCLOPEDIA, Volume 19, scheduled for
distribution beginning in the last week of October 2009. Volume 19
contains much useful prototype and scale modeling information: 149
black & white and color photographs, 31 diagrams, and 4 tables for a
total of 113 pages comprising three in-depth articles on the following
subjects:

1. Emergency Composite Box Cars by Patrick C. Wider (50 pages). The
article is the fourth in a series that cover American box car designs
that were built in large quantities during the first half of the 20th
Century. The author covers the single-sheathed and plywood-sheathed 40'
and 50' emergency box cars constructed during World War II following
restrictions imposed by the War Production Board.

2. Erie 40-Ton Express Milk Cars by Patrick C. Wider (10 pages). The
author describes and illustrates the unique Erie express milk cars
built during the 1930s by the Greenville Steel Car Company. Also
discussed and illustrated are some of the cars converted for express
baggage service.

3. The Family of All-Welded 70-Ton 52'-6" Drop-End Gondola Cars Based
on PRR's Class G31 by Ed Hawkins (53 pages). The article covers an
interesting group of subject cars first built by the Pennsylvania
Railroad (Class G31) in 1948-1950, followed in the 1950s with
derivatives built by American Car & Foundry and Pullman-Standard for
Pennsy, Atlantic Coast Line, Birmingham Southern, Delaware & Hudson,
Delaware, Lackawanna & Western, Southern Pacific, Wabash, Sacramento
Northern, and Western Pacific.

We appreciate your support and extend to you a pre-publication offer
for Volume 19. The normal retail price for Volume 19 is $29.95.
However, your cost is only $24.00 (postpaid to addresses in the U.S.) -
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To take advantage of this one-time, pre-publication offer for RP CYC
Volume 19, please send a check or money order in the amount of $24.00
by October 24, 2009 to:

RP CYC Publishing Co.
P.O. Box 451
Chesterfield, MO 63006-0451

Missouri residents must add $1.85 state & local sales tax ($25.85 total
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For single book orders to Canada, please add $5.79, and for single book
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can be downloaded at: http://www.rpcycpub.com/v19_flyer.pdf

For those attending the Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, if you
wish to have your book delivered at the meet, please indicate. We
encourage this option.

Please contact me off-list if you have any difficulties downloading the
PDF or require additional information. We thank you!
Regards,
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Re: Kadee NYC Hoppers Announced

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Could someone please wake me when a manufacturer offers the most common version of the offset twin. InterMountain, Rapido, Tahoe, Athearn, Branchline, Walther Proto 2000, is ANYONE listening?

Bill Welch
So, Bill, what's the most common version of the offset twin?

Dennis


Re: Kadee NYC Hoppers Announced

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

The most common version? Which one is that? It seems to me there are
dozens of variants -- sides, ends, hopper door mechanisms, inside length
(and cubic capacity). So far we have't gotten any of the "alternate
standard" cars (except for the ancient Ulrich castings). I'm hoping for
an NP, GN, IC, C&O or NKP car someday...

Tim O'Connor

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Could someone please wake me when a manufacturer offers the most common version of the offset twin. InterMountain, Rapido, Tahoe, Athearn, Branchline, Walther Proto 2000, is ANYONE listening?

Bill Welch


Re: Kadee NYC Hoppers Announced

Bill Welch
 

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Could someone please wake me when a manufacturer offers the most common version of the offset twin. InterMountain, Rapido, Tahoe, Athearn, Branchline, Walther Proto 2000, is ANYONE listening?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

John, Ed Hawkins previously posted that 867000-867999 match
the Kadee model.

Tim O'Connor


Here's an interesting announcement (scroll to bottom): Kadee offset hoppers in NYC.
http://www.kadee.com/ca/preorder.htm
I'm not familiar with the detail idiosyncrasies of the NYC prototypes versus the stock Kadee model, but I'll probably be a customer regardless.
John


Re: Kadee NYC Hoppers Announced

Tim O'Connor
 

John, Ed Hawkins previously posted that 867000-867999 match
the Kadee model.

Tim O'Connor

Here's an interesting announcement (scroll to bottom): Kadee offset hoppers in NYC.
http://www.kadee.com/ca/preorder.htm
I'm not familiar with the detail idiosyncrasies of the NYC prototypes versus the stock Kadee model, but I'll probably be a customer regardless.
John


Re: ACC Applicators

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

This is a copy of my reply to the same inquiry made recently on the Passenger Car List:

Three lessons from life about the useful application of ACC from tubes:

1) When puncturing the tube opening, avoid any inadvertent squeezing of the tube so that the contents are not under pressure to pour out.

2) *Never (ever!) allow these tubes to rest in any other position but UPRIGHT (I keep square styrofoam scraps with V-shaped cuts in the middle designed to hold these tubes)*.

These simple two directives above will result of having a tube of ACC that- a) can last usable for months on end; and b) has a tip free of any clogging.

3) Do not apply glue directly from tube, but only into a tiny intermediate puddle (Westerfield technique) from which actual application is made by needle or similar. Even then, let the glue flow from the tip without squeezing the tube except perhaps with imperceptible pressure at the very bottom.

Instead of glass for puddling, I use small squares of aluminum foil reinforced by folding the edges. I puddle the very tiniest drop, and I use steel sewing needle applicators in holders (superior!), rather than pins. I keep an old razor blade handy to constantly "peel" off any dried ACC on the applicator tip.

I purchase Asian-produced ACC tubes in bulk at flea markets for about @ $0.15, and have been doing so for some years. Occasionally, I get a dry tube, or a tube of ACC that sets so fast one does not have time to work it, but on balance this stuff does exactly what I want and expect it to do at very little cost. My current tube was opened for use this past May, and the tube, the applicator, and the glue remain quite usable.

Denny


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Kadee NYC Hoppers Announced

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,
 
Here's an interesting announcement (scroll to bottom): Kadee offset hoppers in NYC. 
 
http://www.kadee.com/ca/preorder.htm
 
I'm not familiar with the detail idiosyncrasies of the NYC prototypes versus the stock Kadee model, but I'll probably be a customer regardless.
 
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

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Re: ACC Applicators

Lee Thwaits <leethwaits@...>
 

Acetone is the solvent for ACC. Keep a small bottle of acetone handy and dropped your applicators, tubes, etc. in it when finished using and take them out next time you need them.

Lee


Re: ACC Applicators

rgmodels@...
 

I use a 4" square of 1/4" glass for a drop of ACC. When your glass is
about covered you can scrape off the dried ACC with a razor blade.

For an applicator I use applicators I make. A needle inserted in a piece
of 1/4" dowel with the end ground off forming a "U" at the end. Several
small size needles will cover most applications. To get rid of dried up ACC
I keep a cheap cigarette lighter handy to burn off the ACC.
I'll will have a supply of these applicators available at next years Nat NG
Convention in St. Louis.

eric/Rio Grande Models


Re: ACC Applicators

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

Like so many others have noted, I use a straight pin with the head cut off
in an X-Acto type knife made by a third party (came in a free knife set from
Model Expo) which has a plastic/rubber insert designed to hold a round tool.
The ACC is dropped sparingly onto a piece of wax paper that my wife
grudgingly donates to the cause.



I do sharpen the pin point on a stone to get a nice precise point.



I also use the very inexpensive add on tips on the bottle. They look like
plastic tubing that has been heated and pulled to neck down most of the
tube. The large end is forced onto the bottom and the tip is very long. If
the tip plugs, just cut it off as there is plenty of length. When finished,
I pull it off the bottle and throw it away and seal the bottle. These are
very cheap.



I also buy in small bottles as others because this stuff goes a long ways.
I do tend to buy the generic brands carried in the hobby shops as I just
have not seen the difference in performance in HO trains. Now, if I was
building a R/C Plane which sees much more stress, I would be more selective
in the adhesive I use. I have also used the stuff found in Wal-Mart and
Home Depot and see not difference.



The real key is in the skills of the person applying the ACC unless of
course you are attaching "engineered plastics" which is another subject all
together.



Allen Cain

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