Re: Railroad Car Squeezer
Hmmmm. Great Northern had a device at Minot that basically was a
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drop-down gate that was at the level of a flat car deck .. then a loaded flat car was pushed into the gate, which shoved the shifted load of lumber back into a neat arrangement. I wouldn't call it a squeezer but... Tim O'Connor
While I have an idea that this is an apparatus for packing freight into a box car, can anyone tell me exactly what a "railroad car squeezer" is?
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Re: ACC Applicators
Jared Harper
I am not at home now so cannot check the brand, but the CA I purchased at the Cincinnati NMRA convention is still going strong. I purchased two regular and one thick in a tube. The first of the regular containers is about half full and still going strong. The other container of regular is in the frig. waiting for the first tube to run out.
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Jared Harper Athens, GA
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Re: Bob Smith Industries
Jared Harper
When not using my CA for awhile I put it in a plastic bag with a desicant pack and store it in the frig.
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Jared Harper Athens, GA
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Re: ACC Applicators
Jared Harper
I purchased some CA from a vendor at the Cincinnati NMRA trade show. He advised to rub vaseline on the tip of the applicator and to always keep the bottle upright.
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Jared Harper Athens, GA
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Re: Railroad Car Squeezer
Paul <buygone@...>
Bob:
The retarders in a hump yard were referred to as the car squeezer. Paul C. Koehler _____ From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob C Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:44 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Railroad Car Squeezer While I have an idea that this is an apparatus for packing freight into a box car, can anyone tell me exactly what a "railroad car squeezer" is? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Railroad Car Squeezer
Bob C <thecitrusbelt@...>
While I have an idea that this is an apparatus for packing freight into a box car, can anyone tell me exactly what a "railroad car squeezer" is?
Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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ATSF gondolas fitted with roofs
David North <davenorth@...>
Would anyone have or know where I can find, photos and/or folio diagrams of
the following Santa Fe 2, 3 & 4 bay hoppers that were fitted with roofs in 1945. I have some pics from the Santa Fe Open Top Cars Book by Richard Hendrickson. Ga-21 Triple Hopper (181000-181074) 50 cars equipped with roof in 1945 Ga-24 Quad Hopper (181075-181149) All cars equipped with roof in 1945 Ga-43 Triple Hopper (181150-181199) All cars equipped with roof in 1945 Ga-54 Twin Hopper (180800-180999) 45 cars equipped with roof in 1945 Thanks in advance Dave North
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Re: The most common Offset Twin
Armand Premo wrote
Well, if Kadee were to produce a USRA hopper, both original andAnother Offset hopper really doesn't bother me. The question I rebuilt panel side, that might be more numerous than any one of the myriad twin offset hoppers. I only mention it because there is no accurate "high fidelity" version of the USRA hopper in HO. (The Tichy model fails the accuracy test, while Accurail's model has fat grabs etc.) Tim O'Connor
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Re: Interesting book available for download
cornbeltroute <cornbeltroute@...>
Charlie,
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Wonderful resource you linked, I enjoyed perusing all 292 pages. Thank you much for presenting it here. I have Lucas's "100 Year of Classic Steam Locomotives" but do not know about the other two Lucas titles you mentioned. Would you characterize them, please? Do they contain drawings? Thanks much, Brian Brian Chapman Evansdale, Iowa
This is a Walter Lucas book that I did not have in my Library (three other titles by him that I do have are 100 Years of Classic Steam Locomotives, Locomotives and Cars Since 1900, and 100 Years of Railroad Cars). < Free pdf download from Google books: http://www.google.com/books?id=ryhSAAAAMAAJ <
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Re: The most common Offset Twin
Years ago, Overland imported several of the C&O cars, plus a
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C&O triple, in HO scale.
At 10/9/2009 07:15 AM Friday, you wrote:
I think everyone in HO is envious and wishes Rich did cars in that scale,
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Re: ACC Applicators
frograbbit602
I put three to four drops of ACC in a bottle cap (from bottled water) that sits in a piece of foam to hold it at an angle so the ACC collects at the bottom of the angled side. The tip of the ACC bottle is then wiped clean and cap put back on. Tip always stays clean. ACC is applied from bottle cap with a the eye of a needle that was cut in half to form a wye and inserted in a wood dowel. A tool like this is available from MicroMark if you choose not to make your own. When the eye of the needle clogs I use a disposable lighter to burn any accumulation off. Since the needle is stainless steel no harm is done ( does blacken ) to the needle tip. The burn method with lighter faster (takes seconds ) rather than using Acetone to clean it which is what I used prior to hearing about using the lighter.
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Lester Breuer
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Re: Kadee NYC Hoppers Announced
golden1014
Thanks Tim--that's reassuring. I'm looking at this release with optimism. NYC offset hoppers were seen in the south and all over the midwest and I'll certainly have a few for my layout.
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John John Golden Bloomington, IN
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Re: Sunshine X 29b Kit - oversize door
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Nice job, Tom! Your advice to those that have the early Sunshine kit is
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right on. I would also add that in the earlier Sunshine kit based on the C&BT kit, one has to widen the door with styrene strips, and also add additional height to the door, which does make the door proper dimensions, but the door is still not the best rendition of that particular 7' Youngstown door, and the sides have overly large rivets. Even so, it makes up into a nice model, and the side sills and underframe provide the proper look and that odd X29 truck spacing that characterizes these cars. The bash I did with the Branchline car produces a superior X29B, as the BL car is simply beautiful. Sides, doors, ends and roof are all excellent renditions of those components. I have set aside a number of BL kits for these X29 bashes. The X29D will require more work, and I am mystified as to why no one has done this model as a resin kit. It would be useful to many, many modelers, and was quite numerous. Still, I plan to bash the BL 8'-door kit, but I will have to create an underframe and side sill master, which will be a lot of work, and also bash an overhanging diagonal panel roof. The late IDE ends from BL are perfect. The later X29 rebuilds (X29E, X29F, X29G) will have to wait until someone either finds a prototype sitting in someone's yard, who can then look at the underframe, or someone finds the drawings in the archives; the late rebuilds had highly modified underframes, with, I suspect, both added and relocated cross-bearers. Rich Burg, Ian Fischer, and Greg Martin have all talked to me about these cars, and I think we need to do good research so those that pursue them can do them right. Since these cars also had side sills that mated to the side using extended interior side posts, both the side sills and underframe will all require a new master. No, none of the plastic cars lettered X29B, X29D, X29F, or X29G are even close. Back when I was young I bought several of these. All these X29 rebuilds are beautiful cars, and deserve to be offered to the modeling population. They are one of those groups of cars that strangely, remain undone in any form. If any of you have "pull" with the resin guys, let us know! Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tmolsen@UDel.Edu Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:08 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sunshine X 29b Kit - oversize door Tony, I received an email from Al Buchan, the president of the PRRT&HS wanting to know what was the story regarding the door size of the Sunshine X29b that had just come out. He had received an email from a Society member stating that the member thought the door was too wide. This car had been announced many years before and was a hot item with the PRR modeling crowd. Since I had previously (for ten years) been the HO modeling editor for The Keystone, he asked me to check it out. This is how it went down. The real Youngstown door as used on the X29b is 7'4-5/8" wide with the center framed panel portion 7' wide. The door opening on the car is 7'. On the left or lock side, the door extension measures 2'-5/16" outside of the center framed 7' panel. This extension slides behind the front stop to form the weather seal on that side. The right side of the door, the door extension measuring the same has a rear weather seal which engages the post strip on the car body. The model door is 8' overall including the door extensions. This means that the door is 5-3/8" too wide. Frank Hodina did the masters for this kit. He apparently used the master he made for the EJ&E Mini-Kit door when he made the master for the X29b car side. He apparently took a casting from the original 8' master and glued it in place on the X29b carbody master butting it up against the front stop, failing to allow for the fact that the door extension would normally be hidden from view. So the entire door including the door extensions are in view. This is what called attention to the fact that the door is too wide. To determine how the door was too wide, I measured doors on the following models: The original Uni-Body X29b kit which utilized the C&BT car body and doors. A Branchline #BRA-1600 series kit with 7' doors. the EJ&E Mini-Kit with the separate 8' Doors. The C&BT car doors are undersize (6'10" wide including the door extensions). The Branchline 7' doors are the correct size as matched to the prototype. The EJ&E 8' Doors are also correct in size to the prototype. References used to match the doors were the 1946 and 1949/1951 Car Builders Cyclopedias. I have experimented with replacing the front door stop by substituting a piece of evergreen strip that is thinner than that of the cast door stop (salvaging the camel lock fixture on the door stop for use after making modifications). I was not happy with this and still have to fiddle some more to see if I can reduce the door extension which should be partially hidden. Unfortunately, you would still have the opposite side to reduce and that is a problem as it is exposed on the prototype door. That pretty much sums up the problems with the X29b kit from Sunshine Models. I presented my findings to the PRRT&HS modeling committee and Martin Lofton. Martin did not think that the door was not oversize enough to cause a problem and that he was not going to revise the kit as it would take a new set of masters to do so. I did not and have not talked with Frank in regard to the door problem. In any event, it would not have mattered as it was already too late to do so. To avoid future errors, Martin advised me that he would be willing to consult with the committee on other models in the future. My recommendation to the committee was not to review the kit in the Keystone Modeler and pillory Martin as it would be counter-productive as the car was already out and had been sold to a large number of modelers by then. We did not want to discourage Martin from doing other PRR kits. The modeling committee concurred and that was it. In summarizing events that took place almost a year ago, Greg may have overstated the door dimensions a little bit, but basically he was correct as I addressed much of this to him and to Bruce Smith at the time. End of story! For those who have the Unibody kits, substitute the Branchline carbody from Kit #BRA-1600 with the 7' door in place of the C&BT body and follow the kit instructions from there! Regards, Tom Olsen 7 Boundary Road, West Branch Newark. Delaware, 19711-7479 (302) 738-4292 (H) (302) 740-2897 (Cell) tmolsen@udel.edu <mailto:tmolsen%40udel.edu>
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Re: Sunshine X 29b Kit - oversize door
Dennis Williams
I enjoy my kit any way!!
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Dennis
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From: tmolsen@UDel.Edu <tmolsen@UDel.Edu> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sunshine X 29b Kit - oversize door To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 2:07 AM Tony, I received an email from Al Buchan, the president of the PRRT&HS wanting to know what was the story regarding the door size of the Sunshine X29b that had just come out. He had received an email from a Society member stating that the member thought the door was too wide. This car had been announced many years before and was a hot item with the PRR modeling crowd. Since I had previously (for ten years) been the HO modeling editor for The Keystone, he asked me to check it out. This is how it went down. The real Youngstown door as used on the X29b is 7'4-5/8" wide with the center framed panel portion 7' wide. The door opening on the car is 7'. On the left or lock side, the door extension measures 2'-5/16" outside of the center framed 7' panel. This extension slides behind the front stop to form the weather seal on that side. The right side of the door, the door extension measuring the same has a rear weather seal which engages the post strip on the car body. The model door is 8' overall including the door extensions. This means that the door is 5-3/8" too wide. Frank Hodina did the masters for this kit. He apparently used the master he made for the EJ&E Mini-Kit door when he made the master for the X29b car side. He apparently took a casting from the original 8' master and glued it in place on the X29b carbody master butting it up against the front stop, failing to allow for the fact that the door extension would normally be hidden from view. So the entire door including the door extensions are in view. This is what called attention to the fact that the door is too wide. To determine how the door was too wide, I measured doors on the following models: The original Uni-Body X29b kit which utilized the C&BT car body and doors. A Branchline #BRA-1600 series kit with 7' doors. the EJ&E Mini-Kit with the separate 8' Doors. The C&BT car doors are undersize (6'10" wide including the door extensions). The Branchline 7' doors are the correct size as matched to the prototype. The EJ&E 8' Doors are also correct in size to the prototype. References used to match the doors were the 1946 and 1949/1951 Car Builders Cyclopedias. I have experimented with replacing the front door stop by substituting a piece of evergreen strip that is thinner than that of the cast door stop (salvaging the camel lock fixture on the door stop for use after making modifications) . I was not happy with this and still have to fiddle some more to see if I can reduce the door extension which should be partially hidden. Unfortunately, you would still have the opposite side to reduce and that is a problem as it is exposed on the prototype door. That pretty much sums up the problems with the X29b kit from Sunshine Models. I presented my findings to the PRRT&HS modeling committee and Martin Lofton. Martin did not think that the door was not oversize enough to cause a problem and that he was not going to revise the kit as it would take a new set of masters to do so. I did not and have not talked with Frank in regard to the door problem. In any event, it would not have mattered as it was already too late to do so. To avoid future errors, Martin advised me that he would be willing to consult with the committee on other models in the future. My recommendation to the committee was not to review the kit in the Keystone Modeler and pillory Martin as it would be counter-productive as the car was already out and had been sold to a large number of modelers by then. We did not want to discourage Martin from doing other PRR kits. The modeling committee concurred and that was it. In summarizing events that took place almost a year ago, Greg may have overstated the door dimensions a little bit, but basically he was correct as I addressed much of this to him and to Bruce Smith at the time. End of story! For those who have the Unibody kits, substitute the Branchline carbody from Kit #BRA-1600 with the 7' door in place of the C&BT body and follow the kit instructions from there! Regards, Tom Olsen 7 Boundary Road, West Branch Newark. Delaware, 19711-7479 (302) 738-4292 (H) (302) 740-2897 (Cell) tmolsen@udel. edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: The most common Offset Twin
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
I think everyone in HO is envious and wishes Rich did cars in that scale,
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too. His C&O cars are beautiful, as are all his PRR models. Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mforsyth127 Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 12:49 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: The most common Offset Twin <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote: I thought it was the AAR alternate standard car, which has never beenIndeed they have been done, and in multiples...just NOT in a "popular" scale. Rich Yoder of Rich Yoder models http://www.richyodermodels.com/ <http://www.richyodermodels.com/> has done several variations of the AAR Alt. Std., especially the many C&O variants... Matt Forsyth Modeling the D&H Penn Division/ Erie Jefferson Divison in "O" Scale, Fall, 1951
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Re: The most common Offset Twin
Armand Premo
Another Offset hopper really doesn't bother me.The question I would raise is this really the most common hopper type yet to be produced? Armand Premo
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From: Ed Hawkins To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] The most common Offset Twin On Oct 8, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote: > L&N, C&O and many others > had many thousands of that AAR alt std car, too, didn't they? Elden, C&O had some 27,400 alternate standard cars with many variations of end arrangements. L&N had zero alternate standard cars. Regards, Ed Hawkins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2414 - Release Date: 10/04/09 18:42:00
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Re: Sunshine X 29b Kit - oversize door
tmolsen@...
Tony,
I received an email from Al Buchan, the president of the PRRT&HS wanting to know what was the story regarding the door size of the Sunshine X29b that had just come out. He had received an email from a Society member stating that the member thought the door was too wide. This car had been announced many years before and was a hot item with the PRR modeling crowd. Since I had previously (for ten years) been the HO modeling editor for The Keystone, he asked me to check it out. This is how it went down. The real Youngstown door as used on the X29b is 7'4-5/8" wide with the center framed panel portion 7' wide. The door opening on the car is 7'. On the left or lock side, the door extension measures 2'-5/16" outside of the center framed 7' panel. This extension slides behind the front stop to form the weather seal on that side. The right side of the door, the door extension measuring the same has a rear weather seal which engages the post strip on the car body. The model door is 8' overall including the door extensions. This means that the door is 5-3/8" too wide. Frank Hodina did the masters for this kit. He apparently used the master he made for the EJ&E Mini-Kit door when he made the master for the X29b car side. He apparently took a casting from the original 8' master and glued it in place on the X29b carbody master butting it up against the front stop, failing to allow for the fact that the door extension would normally be hidden from view. So the entire door including the door extensions are in view. This is what called attention to the fact that the door is too wide. To determine how the door was too wide, I measured doors on the following models: The original Uni-Body X29b kit which utilized the C&BT car body and doors. A Branchline #BRA-1600 series kit with 7' doors. the EJ&E Mini-Kit with the separate 8' Doors. The C&BT car doors are undersize (6'10" wide including the door extensions). The Branchline 7' doors are the correct size as matched to the prototype. The EJ&E 8' Doors are also correct in size to the prototype. References used to match the doors were the 1946 and 1949/1951 Car Builders Cyclopedias. I have experimented with replacing the front door stop by substituting a piece of evergreen strip that is thinner than that of the cast door stop (salvaging the camel lock fixture on the door stop for use after making modifications). I was not happy with this and still have to fiddle some more to see if I can reduce the door extension which should be partially hidden. Unfortunately, you would still have the opposite side to reduce and that is a problem as it is exposed on the prototype door. That pretty much sums up the problems with the X29b kit from Sunshine Models. I presented my findings to the PRRT&HS modeling committee and Martin Lofton. Martin did not think that the door was not oversize enough to cause a problem and that he was not going to revise the kit as it would take a new set of masters to do so. I did not and have not talked with Frank in regard to the door problem. In any event, it would not have mattered as it was already too late to do so. To avoid future errors, Martin advised me that he would be willing to consult with the committee on other models in the future. My recommendation to the committee was not to review the kit in the Keystone Modeler and pillory Martin as it would be counter-productive as the car was already out and had been sold to a large number of modelers by then. We did not want to discourage Martin from doing other PRR kits. The modeling committee concurred and that was it. In summarizing events that took place almost a year ago, Greg may have overstated the door dimensions a little bit, but basically he was correct as I addressed much of this to him and to Bruce Smith at the time. End of story! For those who have the Unibody kits, substitute the Branchline carbody from Kit #BRA-1600 with the 7' door in place of the C&BT body and follow the kit instructions from there! Regards, Tom Olsen 7 Boundary Road, West Branch Newark. Delaware, 19711-7479 (302) 738-4292 (H) (302) 740-2897 (Cell) tmolsen@udel.edu
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Re: Kadee NYC Hoppers Announced
David Sieber
Gentlemen,
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Make it vote #4 for the AAR alternate standard hopper - but please (1) in NP, GN, etc., and (2) with wire grabs and other state-of-the-art details. No one has done this very common coal hopper (although Sunshine has resin conversion minikits) which is essential for modelers of the Pacific Northwest, the C&O, et al. Not that we don't appreciate more, more-accurately detailed models of similar versions of the AAR standard hopper, but . . . Dave Sieber Reno NV
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Re: The most common Offset Twin
mforsyth127
<elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
I thought it was the AAR alternate standardIndeed they have been done, and in multiples...just NOT in a "popular" scale. Rich Yoder of Rich Yoder models http://www.richyodermodels.com/ has done several variations of the AAR Alt. Std., especially the many C&O variants... Matt Forsyth Modeling the D&H Penn Division/ Erie Jefferson Divison in "O" Scale, Fall, 1951
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Re: Kadee NYC Hoppers Announced
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
Schuyler Larrabee says about the alternative standard:
Vote No. 2. Vote No. 3. I have a video showing two such C&O cars in a train on the UP in the Whasatch Mtns in Utah. To get there from the east you have to go up that Hill...Lee? Johnston? Beauregard? Custer? Davis? JEB Stuart? Anyhow... I actually just get tired of seeing those AAR Standard C&O hoppers on layouts. Yuk. Mike Brock
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