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Re: Lowered tackboards on R-40-xx?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ron Merrick wrote:
Were any PFE cars from classes R-40-26 and earlier modified with lower tackboards after 1954? I've seen a fair number of photos of these cars and none of them show this for either side or end tackboards. By contrast, R-40-27 and later classes, built after the AAR change in tackboard height recommendation, are all in the low position.

It certainly seems that there was not a lowering of tackboards on existing cars, but I'd like somebody who knows to confirm.
I generally agree with your observation on PFE cars, Ron. I don't have references at hand, but it's my recollection that the lowered board position was only required for new cars. Older cars were supposed to get it if and only if they were in the shop anyway. But if not, someone who has the specific directive at hand should please correct me.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Lowered tackboards on R-40-xx?

mopacfirst
 

Were any PFE cars from classes R-40-26 and earlier modified with lower tackboards after 1954? I've seen a fair number of photos of these cars and none of them show this for either side or end tackboards. By contrast, R-40-27 and later classes, built after the AAR change in tackboard height recommendation, are all in the low position.

It certainly seems that there was not a lowering of tackboards on existing cars, but I'd like somebody who knows to confirm.

Ron Merrick


Railroad Car Squeezer

Jim King
 

Although I'm sure it had several names, there was a pneumatically operated
"squeezer" in Southern's Charlotte yard many years ago that shoved pulpwood
loads toward the centerline of the car. Since pulpwood was loaded in
bundles using modified front-end loaders or heavy-duty fork lifts, the
bundles didn't always get placed inboard as far as possible. An old Model
RRer had a picture of this home-made gizmo.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>


Re: ATSF gondolas fitted with roofs

David North <davenorth@...>
 

This was discussed just a week or so ago.

Sunshine did a mini kit M.1 some years ago to produce GA-21 and GA-43 using
Stewart 3 bay hoppers as a starting point. You could also do a 4 bay GA-24
converting pair of Athearn cars. Athearn 2 bay cars could be used to do the
GA-54. Santa Fe converted 200 coal hoppers to covered hoppers to augment its
fleet of grain service cars during a bumper harvest in 1945. The radial
roofs came from BX-8, 9, & 10 box cars. They ran through the 50s and were
gradually converted back to open hoppers in the 60s.

Priest's Heritage Vol. 2 has a photo showing a 4 hatch roof on p. 129, a 3
bay hopper 182110. Sunshine shows another 3 bay, 181181 which has 6 roof
hatches. I think I have seen a photo somewhere that showed 8 hatches,
probably on the GA-24.

Richard's book page 260-261 shows GA-21 182128 3 bay 4 hatch in 3 photos,
GA-24 181107 4 bay and 181098 4 bay. His book shows GA-43 and 54 in their
original configuration, but not with the roof conversion.
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer







Hi Stephen,

Yes, I remember. The Sunshine roofs would end up costing me at least A$70 a
pair, so I've decided to scratchbuild my own, using the MM article on
building the radial roof.

I have the 3 bay pics you mentioned, and John Moore emailed me folio
diagrams for the 3 bay cars.

I'm still looking for pics and a folio diagram for the Ga-54.

I need to id how many hatches were used on these 2 bays and there they were
located.

Thanks for your help.

Cheers

Dave North

Sydney

Australia


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Brian Carlson
 

Some of us wish we could be in that crowd. I am also trying to get into the
cocoa beach Hawaiian shirt club.





Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY







From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 5:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Friends of the Freight Car Shirts






I wouldn't think of leaving my FFC shirts behind. Where the heck
else am I gonna wear them? :-) :-)

Tim O'Connor

At 10/10/2009 05:45 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Many subscribers to this list will be attending the Sunshine Models
Prototype Modelers' Seminar in Naperville, IL later this month. Many
of those who will be at Naperville have Friends of the Freight Car
polo shirts which they acquired years ago when the FFC was more
active than it is now. If you have a Friends of the Freight Car polo
shirt, especially a yellow-orange one with a reefer drawing on it,
make sure you bring it to Naperville. You will find out why at an
appropriate time. DO NOT tell the Loftons about this, or ask them
questions about it, as it supposed to be a surprise.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Awhile back we discussed substitute gondola ends. The Tichy 3- rib end is a nice rendition of the original Dreadnaught end.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


ORERs for sale

Rob Sarberenyi <espeef5@...>
 

I have a few Official Railway Equipment Registers (ORER) listed on eBay that
may be of interest including a January 1951 and October 1956 issue. Also
selling John Tigges book on Milwaukee Road Steam Power
http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Espee-F-5

Thanks for looking!


Rob Sarberenyi


Re: Sunshine L&N Boxcar kit # 85.1

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

For what it's worth, in addition to making my own masters, RTV molds, and resin parts, I have worked closely with three resin companies, bought products from a half-dozen more, and examined personally or read detailed build reviews for many more. I think the biggest company of the lot had maybe five people associated with them. The others typically were one man operations with maybe another guy helping out from time to time. In the last 10 years the problems described here have been virtually non-existent in the armor and aircraft model parts that are on the market.

That's my understanding of what's possible in the medium.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: pierreoliver2003

I can't get over the feeling that Kurt does not fully understand the resin casting process and the vagaries that can arise from time to time with that medium.
The problem described with the floor can and does happen quite a bit with resin. Granted rarely to the extent indicated, but it does happen.
I also believe that a certain amount of accomodation has to be made for the reality of a small family business that has grown bigger than ever expected. I know how hard and long the Lofton's and the Westerfield's have to work to get their products out the door and I always wonder how much better the "complainers" could really do.
Finally, rather than cut the floor apart or scratch build a replacement, why not simply return the defective part with a description of the issue and I'm sure that Martin would address the problem fairly quickly.
Pierre Oliver


Re: ATSF gondolas fitted with roofs

Steve SANDIFER
 

This was discussed just a week or so ago.

Sunshine did a mini kit M.1 some years ago to produce GA-21 and GA-43 using Stewart 3 bay hoppers as a starting point. You could also do a 4 bay GA-24 converting pair of Athearn cars. Athearn 2 bay cars could be used to do the GA-54. Santa Fe converted 200 coal hoppers to covered hoppers to augment its fleet of grain service cars during a bumper harvest in 1945. The radial roofs came from BX-8, 9, & 10 box cars. They ran through the 50s and were gradually converted back to open hoppers in the 60s.

Priest's Heritage Vol. 2 has a photo showing a 4 hatch roof on p. 129, a 3 bay hopper 182110. Sunshine shows another 3 bay, 181181 which has 6 roof hatches. I think I have seen a photo somewhere that showed 8 hatches, probably on the GA-24.

Richard's book page 260-261 shows GA-21 182128 3 bay 4 hatch in 3 photos, GA-24 181107 4 bay and 181098 4 bay. His book shows GA-43 and 54 in their original configuration, but not with the roof conversion.
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: David North
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:30 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF gondolas fitted with roofs


Would anyone have or know where I can find, photos and/or folio diagrams of
the following Santa Fe 2, 3 & 4 bay hoppers that were fitted with roofs in
1945.

I have some pics from the Santa Fe Open Top Cars Book by Richard
Hendrickson.

Ga-21 Triple Hopper (181000-181074)

50 cars equipped with roof in 1945

Ga-24 Quad Hopper (181075-181149)

All cars equipped with roof in 1945

Ga-43 Triple Hopper (181150-181199)

All cars equipped with roof in 1945

Ga-54 Twin Hopper (180800-180999)

45 cars equipped with roof in 1945

Thanks in advance

Dave North


Re: ACC Applicators

Paul <paullaciura@...>
 

I have stord several brands and viscosities of ACC in a refrigerator for many years with success. They are stored vertically as a group with a rubber band around them (for stability) in one of the "egg trays". For those that still use contact lenses, I utilize the spent plastic containers the lenses come in. I dispense a small puddle of ACC as needed. The "pot life" of the ACC is several minutes, some of the bottles are over 5 years old. Like everyone else I use a variety of pins, broken drill bits, needles, etc. to place the ACC with great control. At the end of the work session I throw the container out.

Paul LaCiura
Glendale, CA

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

I'm with those who don't like the applicator tubes and prefer
using a pin as an applicator. I've been impressed with the Bob Smith
Industries CA packaging, with a tip which doesn't ever seem to clog,
though it's too large to use as an applicator by itself.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Railroad Car Squeezer

Paul <buygone@...>
 

Tim:



What you are referring to is a load shifter. There was one located in
Taylor Yard here at LA also.



Paul C. Koehler



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 2:11 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Railroad Car Squeezer






Hmmmm. Great Northern had a device at Minot that basically was a
drop-down gate that was at the level of a flat car deck .. then a
loaded flat car was pushed into the gate, which shoved the shifted
load of lumber back into a neat arrangement. I wouldn't call it a
squeezer but...

Tim O'Connor

While I have an idea that this is an apparatus for packing freight into a
box car, can anyone tell me exactly what a "railroad car squeezer" is?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Tim O'Connor
 

I wouldn't think of leaving my FFC shirts behind. Where the heck
else am I gonna wear them? :-) :-)

Tim O'Connor

At 10/10/2009 05:45 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Many subscribers to this list will be attending the Sunshine Models
Prototype Modelers' Seminar in Naperville, IL later this month. Many
of those who will be at Naperville have Friends of the Freight Car
polo shirts which they acquired years ago when the FFC was more
active than it is now. If you have a Friends of the Freight Car polo
shirt, especially a yellow-orange one with a reefer drawing on it,
make sure you bring it to Naperville. You will find out why at an
appropriate time. DO NOT tell the Loftons about this, or ask them
questions about it, as it supposed to be a surprise.

Richard Hendrickson


Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Richard Hendrickson
 

Many subscribers to this list will be attending the Sunshine Models
Prototype Modelers' Seminar in Naperville, IL later this month. Many
of those who will be at Naperville have Friends of the Freight Car
polo shirts which they acquired years ago when the FFC was more
active than it is now. If you have a Friends of the Freight Car polo
shirt, especially a yellow-orange one with a reefer drawing on it,
make sure you bring it to Naperville. You will find out why at an
appropriate time. DO NOT tell the Loftons about this, or ask them
questions about it, as it supposed to be a surprise.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Railroad Car Squeezer

Tim O'Connor
 

Hmmmm. Great Northern had a device at Minot that basically was a
drop-down gate that was at the level of a flat car deck .. then a
loaded flat car was pushed into the gate, which shoved the shifted
load of lumber back into a neat arrangement. I wouldn't call it a
squeezer but...

Tim O'Connor

While I have an idea that this is an apparatus for packing freight into a box car, can anyone tell me exactly what a "railroad car squeezer" is?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: ACC Applicators

Jared Harper
 

I am not at home now so cannot check the brand, but the CA I purchased at the Cincinnati NMRA convention is still going strong. I purchased two regular and one thick in a tube. The first of the regular containers is about half full and still going strong. The other container of regular is in the frig. waiting for the first tube to run out.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@..., Denny Anspach <danspach@...> wrote:

This is a copy of my reply to the same inquiry made recently on the
Passenger Car List:

Three lessons from life about the useful application of ACC from tubes:

1) When puncturing the tube opening, avoid any inadvertent squeezing
of the tube so that the contents are not under pressure to pour out.

2) *Never (ever!) allow these tubes to rest in any other position but
UPRIGHT (I keep square styrofoam scraps with V-shaped cuts in the
middle designed to hold these tubes)*.

These simple two directives above will result of having a tube of ACC
that- a) can last usable for months on end; and b) has a tip free
of any clogging.

3) Do not apply glue directly from tube, but only into a tiny
intermediate puddle (Westerfield technique) from which actual
application is made by needle or similar. Even then, let the glue flow
from the tip without squeezing the tube except perhaps with
imperceptible pressure at the very bottom.

Instead of glass for puddling, I use small squares of aluminum foil
reinforced by folding the edges. I puddle the very tiniest drop, and
I use steel sewing needle applicators in holders (superior!), rather
than pins. I keep an old razor blade handy to constantly "peel" off
any dried ACC on the applicator tip.

I purchase Asian-produced ACC tubes in bulk at flea markets for about
@ $0.15, and have been doing so for some years. Occasionally, I get a
dry tube, or a tube of ACC that sets so fast one does not have time to
work it, but on balance this stuff does exactly what I want and expect
it to do at very little cost. My current tube was opened for use this
past May, and the tube, the applicator, and the glue remain quite
usable.

Denny


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Bob Smith Industries

Jared Harper
 

When not using my CA for awhile I put it in a plastic bag with a desicant pack and store it in the frig.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I just logged on to BSI to remind myself of their offerings which are extensive. They have a new 3/4 oz. container with a built-in pin to help keep the nozzle clear and open, which looks good to me.

I usually use small tubes purchased in bubble packs of 6-1o tubes at some place like Home Depot where the stock turns over.

I like these tubes as I can use on up easily before the contents go bad. I use the little "frosted" plastic bags that the detail parts come in as pallets and an insect pin to pick up the glue to transfer to the joint.

I am going to try some of the BSI offerings.

"Lock-Tight" is another brand to investigate. I have had good experience with their shelf lifes.

Bill Welch


Re: ACC Applicators

Jared Harper
 

I purchased some CA from a vendor at the Cincinnati NMRA trade show. He advised to rub vaseline on the tip of the applicator and to always keep the bottle upright.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

I'm with those who don't like the applicator tubes and prefer
using a pin as an applicator. I've been impressed with the Bob Smith
Industries CA packaging, with a tip which doesn't ever seem to clog,
though it's too large to use as an applicator by itself.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Railroad Car Squeezer

Paul <buygone@...>
 

Bob:



The retarders in a hump yard were referred to as the car squeezer.



Paul C. Koehler



_____

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bob
C
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:44 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Railroad Car Squeezer





While I have an idea that this is an apparatus for packing freight into a
box car, can anyone tell me exactly what a "railroad car squeezer" is?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Railroad Car Squeezer

Bob C <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

While I have an idea that this is an apparatus for packing freight into a box car, can anyone tell me exactly what a "railroad car squeezer" is?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


ATSF gondolas fitted with roofs

David North <davenorth@...>
 

Would anyone have or know where I can find, photos and/or folio diagrams of
the following Santa Fe 2, 3 & 4 bay hoppers that were fitted with roofs in
1945.

I have some pics from the Santa Fe Open Top Cars Book by Richard
Hendrickson.



Ga-21 Triple Hopper (181000-181074)

50 cars equipped with roof in 1945



Ga-24 Quad Hopper (181075-181149)

All cars equipped with roof in 1945



Ga-43 Triple Hopper (181150-181199)

All cars equipped with roof in 1945



Ga-54 Twin Hopper (180800-180999)

45 cars equipped with roof in 1945



Thanks in advance

Dave North

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