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Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts
Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
Richard,
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How hard would it be to revive the FFC group? Anyone willing to give it a try? Fred Freitas
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Re: Charleston and Western Carolina Combination Car article/Drawings
wlhoss@...
Still haven't found the drawings yet but I did run across the incomplete
model I started about 5 years ago. Hasn't held up that well in a box. I still need to design the underframe and find some trucks for it. I'll keep looking for the article. Bill Hoss Lake Junction Models, LLC
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Re: Conductors Train Book, Fitz, Sept - Oct, 1938
Rod Miller
Thank you, Larry.
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Rod laramielarry wrote:
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Re: Charleston and Western Carolina Combination Car article/Drawings
al_brown03
I don't know of a modelling article nor does the magazine database show anything; but there's a photo of C&WC 30 in Langley's "Charleston & Western Carolina Railway Album", p65. According to this source there were four such cars, # 30-33.
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Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Charleston and Western Carolina Combination Car article/Drawings
Riley K <riley050748@...>
Does anyone recall seeing such an article about the odd C&WC "caboose car", rebuilt from an old passenger combine, in any of the railroad modeling magazines? I think there was one but I could be wrong. Any help is appreciated.
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Re: Lowered tackboards on R-40-xx?
I can't find any photos of -23 -24 -25 or -26 with lowered tackboards.
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Tim O'Connor
Were any PFE cars from classes R-40-26 and earlier modified with lower tackboards after 1954? I've seen a fair number of photos of these cars and none of them show this for either side or end tackboards. By contrast, R-40-27 and later classes, built after the AAR change in tackboard height recommendation, are all in the low position.
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Re: Charleston and Western Carolina Combination Car article/Drawi...
wlhoss@...
There is a short article, in Model Railroader I think, but I couldn't find
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it in the database either. I have a printout with the model I started, but it's boxed up on a shelf. I'll look for it in a bit. Bill Hoss
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abrown@... writes: I don't know of a modelling article nor does the magazine database show anything; but there's a photo of C&WC 30 in Langley's "Charleston & Western Carolina Railway Album", p65. According to this source there were four such cars, # 30-33. Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: Conductors Train Book, Fitz, Sept - Oct, 1938
Wendye Ware
--- In STMFC@..., Rod Miller <rod@...> wrote:
Hi Rod All of the CDLX cars were of type "T" (tank), and all were westbound empties with destination "SP". They were on four separate trains with dates 10/9/1938, 10/14/1938, 10/17/1938 (two cars, together), and 10/21/1938. In date order, the car numbers were 844, 181, 887, 123, and 846. Best wishes, Larry Ostresh Laramie, Wyoming
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Re: The most common Offset Twin
Schuyler Larrabee
At how much per copy, Tim? They imported the ERIE horizontal-rib hopper too, but at something in
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the neighborhood of $110.00 each. Rather puts a crimp on a full train's worth! Over time I've snagged about seven or eight, but if they were in plastic (as the ASH should be done, with alternate end styles available) then I'd have more. SGL
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Re: ACC Applicators
Schuyler Larrabee
Les, the modified needle is a good idea. I sometimes have to make several applications because an
insufficient amount of ACC has been picked up by the sharp end of the hat pin I use. I bought a card of maybe eight of these at CVS some years ago, about 2" long with a large ball on the back end. I use a 3x4 piece of glass to put the supply puddle on, and ACC is in the brush-in-the-top style bottle of Krazy Glue, also from CVS. At times there are two of these bottles, because while this style of bottle never clogs, humid summer weather or dry heated house, it does tend to thicken with age. So I have an old bottle with thick stuff, and a newer bottle with thin stuff, selecting which to use based on the situation. SGL I put three to four drops of ACC in a bottle cap (from bottled water) that sits in a piece of foamto hold it at an angle so the ACC collects at the bottom of the angled side. The tip of the ACC bottle is then wiped cleanand cap put back on. Tip always stays clean. ACC is applied from bottle cap with a the eye of a needle that was cut inhalf to form a wye and inserted in a wood dowel. A tool like this is available from MicroMark if you choose not to makeyour own. When the eye of the needle clogs I use a disposable lighter to burn any accumulation off. Since the needleis stainless steel no harm is done ( does blacken ) to the needle tip. The burn method with lighter faster (takes seconds )rather than using Acetone to clean it which is what I used prior to hearing about using the lighter.metal tube that is quite small -- I only use them for the thin liquid ACC. They are great for this purpose, giving very goodcontrol of the thin glue that tends to run otherwise.I don't have any wire or drills small enough to fit into the tiny tubes and ACC debonder doesn't seem to work.<http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13450 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts
Schuyler Larrabee
The Hawaiian shirts call to me, too . . .
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Re: Conductors Train Book, Fitz, Sept - Oct, 1938
Rod Miller
Thank you compiling this data Larry.
laramielarry wrote: Hi Everyone[big snip] 6 CDLX[big snip] Is there any other information about the CDLX cars, e.g., car type, car number? Thanks Rod
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Re: Conductors Train Book, Fitz, Sept - Oct, 1938
gn3397 <heninger@...>
Larry,
Thanks for compiling all of this data for the group. As a GN enthusiast, I find the relative lack of GN cars on the UP in the Thirties interesting. I wonder if this is due to the economic effects of the Depression, as the late 30s photos of GN freights I have seen have a higher proportion of home road cars than postwar freights. I find it interesting that NP, CB&Q, and MILW cars show up in higher numbers than GN cars, which seems to reinforce the argument of those who state that you should have more cars from direct connecting roads. It will be interesting to compare the statistics from the Forties and Fifties books in your collection, when you are able to analyze them. Sincerely, Bob Heninger Iowa City, IA
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Conductors Train Book, Fitz, Sept - Oct, 1938
Wendye Ware
Hi Everyone
Here is a summary of a Union Pacific Freight Conductors' Train Book recorded by a U.P. conductor named Fitz from September 16, 1938 to October 24, 1938. During this time period Conductor Fitz rode 36 trains on the U.P. mainline between Laramie and Rawlins, Wyoming. Fitz's Train Book overlaps that of Fraley in time and place and helps to flesh out our information about that setting (see previous posts for summaries of Fraley's Train Book). The 36 trains were evenly split between east- and west-bound. In aggregate there were 2,362 cars, an average of 66 cars per train. Motive power was supplied by 3900 series 4-6-6-4s and 9000 series 4-12-2s. The average train weighed 2,704 tons. The total number of eastbound cars was about the same as those heading west: 1,170 EB vs. 1,192 WB. However, there was a big difference in the load/empty ratios: EB cars had 1,086 loads and 84 empties, while WB cars had 452 loads and 740 empties. Eight WB trains were empty, or nearly so: They had a total of ten loads and 655 empties. The longest train of the entire 36 was among this group of eight – it had one load and 95 empties. Fitz's record of this trip includes the note "Hot Box". The distribution of the cars, by ownership, is: Road and number of cars PFE 908 UP 650 MDT 86 SP 64 MILW 46 CNW 37 GTW 32 PRR 31 CB&Q 30 NYC 29 UCR 25 SLSF 20 IC 19 WP 18 ATSF 17 DT&I 16 NWX 15 RI 13 T&P 13 MP 12 GATX 10 MC 10 NP 10 UTLX 10 ART 9 PM 9 T&NO 9 SFRD 8 URT 8 B&O 7 ATLX 6 KCS 6 NADX 6 NKP 6 CDLX 5 CMO 5 D&RGW 5 ERIE 5 SOUTHERN 5 Others 142 Total 2,362 Conductor Fitz recorded the car type for all but 58 cars. The distribution of car types, EB, WB, and total, is: Type: EB, WB, Total R: 539, 532, 1071 (Reefers) B: 215, 254, 469 (Box) A: 122, 151, 273 (Auto) C: 120, 94, 214 (Primarily gons, hoppers, and ballast) D: 31, 40, 71 (Double deck stock) (blank): 51, 7, 58 (Not listed) T: 25, 30, 55 (Tank) S: 25, 29, 54 (Stock) F: 4, 15, 19 (Flat) ?: 11, 6, 17 (Illegible) C or G: 16, 0, 16 G: 0, 11, 11 (Gon) Others: 11, 23, 34 Total: 1170, 1192, 2362 The "C" type is somewhat of a grab bag and includes a few tank cars, box or auto cars, and even a PFE reefer. Ownership of the 1,071 reefers is dominated by PFE (905), followed by MDT (86). Ownership of the 742 box and auto cars is distributed as follows: Road and number of box and auto cars UP 313 SP 62 GTW 32 CB&Q 30 MILW 28 NYC 23 PRR 22 WP 18 CNW 16 DT&I 16 IC 14 RI 13 MP 12 ATSF 10 MC 10 T&P 10 NP 9 PM 9 T&NO 9 SLSF 6 B&O 5 ERIE 5 NKP 5 Others 65 Grand Total 742 Best wishes, Larry Ostresh Laramie, Wyoming
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Re: Lowered tackboards on R-40-xx?
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Ron Merrick wrote:
Were any PFE cars from classes R-40-26 and earlier modified with lower tackboards after 1954? I've seen a fair number of photos of these cars and none of them show this for either side or end tackboards. By contrast, R-40-27 and later classes, built after the AAR change in tackboard height recommendation, are all in the low position.I generally agree with your observation on PFE cars, Ron. I don't have references at hand, but it's my recollection that the lowered board position was only required for new cars. Older cars were supposed to get it if and only if they were in the shop anyway. But if not, someone who has the specific directive at hand should please correct me. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Lowered tackboards on R-40-xx?
mopacfirst
Were any PFE cars from classes R-40-26 and earlier modified with lower tackboards after 1954? I've seen a fair number of photos of these cars and none of them show this for either side or end tackboards. By contrast, R-40-27 and later classes, built after the AAR change in tackboard height recommendation, are all in the low position.
It certainly seems that there was not a lowering of tackboards on existing cars, but I'd like somebody who knows to confirm. Ron Merrick
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Railroad Car Squeezer
Jim King
Although I'm sure it had several names, there was a pneumatically operated
"squeezer" in Southern's Charlotte yard many years ago that shoved pulpwood loads toward the centerline of the car. Since pulpwood was loaded in bundles using modified front-end loaders or heavy-duty fork lifts, the bundles didn't always get placed inboard as far as possible. An old Model RRer had a picture of this home-made gizmo. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>
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Re: ATSF gondolas fitted with roofs
David North <davenorth@...>
This was discussed just a week or so ago.
Sunshine did a mini kit M.1 some years ago to produce GA-21 and GA-43 using Stewart 3 bay hoppers as a starting point. You could also do a 4 bay GA-24 converting pair of Athearn cars. Athearn 2 bay cars could be used to do the GA-54. Santa Fe converted 200 coal hoppers to covered hoppers to augment its fleet of grain service cars during a bumper harvest in 1945. The radial roofs came from BX-8, 9, & 10 box cars. They ran through the 50s and were gradually converted back to open hoppers in the 60s. Priest's Heritage Vol. 2 has a photo showing a 4 hatch roof on p. 129, a 3 bay hopper 182110. Sunshine shows another 3 bay, 181181 which has 6 roof hatches. I think I have seen a photo somewhere that showed 8 hatches, probably on the GA-24. Richard's book page 260-261 shows GA-21 182128 3 bay 4 hatch in 3 photos, GA-24 181107 4 bay and 181098 4 bay. His book shows GA-43 and 54 in their original configuration, but not with the roof conversion. ______________ J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer Hi Stephen, Yes, I remember. The Sunshine roofs would end up costing me at least A$70 a pair, so I've decided to scratchbuild my own, using the MM article on building the radial roof. I have the 3 bay pics you mentioned, and John Moore emailed me folio diagrams for the 3 bay cars. I'm still looking for pics and a folio diagram for the Ga-54. I need to id how many hatches were used on these 2 bays and there they were located. Thanks for your help. Cheers Dave North Sydney Australia
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Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts
Some of us wish we could be in that crowd. I am also trying to get into the
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cocoa beach Hawaiian shirt club. Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 5:58 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Friends of the Freight Car Shirts I wouldn't think of leaving my FFC shirts behind. Where the heck else am I gonna wear them? :-) :-) Tim O'Connor
At 10/10/2009 05:45 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Many subscribers to this list will be attending the Sunshine Models
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Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Awhile back we discussed substitute gondola ends. The Tichy 3- rib end is a nice rendition of the original Dreadnaught end.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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