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Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Tim O'Connor
 

Fred

As far as I know, FFC T-shirts were Tony's idea and he made them and
sold them to us. Anyone who goes to Naperville, buys resin kits and
builds them, and loves railroad freight cars, is a member of the FFC!
I don't know of any other qualifications needed. :-)

Tim O'Connor

How hard would it be to revive the FFC group? Anyone
willing to give it a try?
Fred, it's not dead, just sleeping <g>.

Tony Thompson


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Paul Lyons
 

In a coma is probably closer to the fact.



Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 11:14 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Friends of the Freight Car Shirts







Fred Freitas wrote:
How hard would it be to revive the FFC group? Anyone
willing to give it a try?
Fred, it's not dead, just sleeping <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Charleston and Western Carolina Combination Car article/Drawings

golden1014
 

Mr. K,

I have one photo of an ACL car I can send you offline (contact me at Golden1014@...). C&WC had four of these cars, used primarily for branchline mixed-train service. They all went to ACL in the 1950s.

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

--- In STMFC@..., "Riley K" <riley050748@...> wrote:

Does anyone recall seeing such an article about the odd C&WC "caboose car", rebuilt from an old passenger combine, in any of the railroad modeling magazines? I think there was one but I could be wrong. Any help is appreciated.


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Fred Freitas wrote:
How hard would it be to revive the FFC group? Anyone willing to give it a try?
Fred, it's not dead, just sleeping <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Richard,
 
            How hard would it be to revive the FFC group?  Anyone willing to give it a try?
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Friends of the Freight Car Shirts
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 11:45 PM


 



The Hawaiian shirts call to me, too . . .

(Thought I'd see you this weekend, Brian?)

SGL

Some of us wish we could be in that crowd. I am also trying to get into the
cocoa beach Hawaiian shirt club.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY


I wouldn't think of leaving my FFC shirts behind. Where the heck
else am I gonna wear them? :-) :-)

Tim O'Connor

At 10/10/2009 05:45 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Many subscribers to this list will be attending the Sunshine Models
Prototype Modelers' Seminar in Naperville, IL later this month. Many
of those who will be at Naperville have Friends of the Freight Car
polo shirts which they acquired years ago when the FFC was more
active than it is now. If you have a Friends of the Freight Car polo
shirt, especially a yellow-orange one with a reefer drawing on it,
make sure you bring it to Naperville. You will find out why at an
appropriate time. DO NOT tell the Loftons about this, or ask them
questions about it, as it supposed to be a surprise.

Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Charleston and Western Carolina Combination Car article/Drawings

wlhoss@...
 

Still haven't found the drawings yet but I did run across the incomplete
model I started about 5 years ago. Hasn't held up that well in a box. I
still need to design the underframe and find some trucks for it.


I'll keep looking for the article.

Bill Hoss
Lake Junction Models, LLC


Re: Conductors Train Book, Fitz, Sept - Oct, 1938

Rod Miller
 

Thank you, Larry.

Rod

laramielarry wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Rod Miller <rod@...> wrote:
Is there any other information about the CDLX cars, e.g., car type,
car number?
Hi Rod
All of the CDLX cars were of type "T" (tank), and all were westbound
empties with destination "SP". They were on four separate trains with
dates 10/9/1938, 10/14/1938, 10/17/1938 (two cars, together), and
10/21/1938. In date order, the car numbers were 844, 181, 887, 123, and
846.
Best wishes, Larry Ostresh Laramie, Wyoming
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Re: Charleston and Western Carolina Combination Car article/Drawings

al_brown03
 

I don't know of a modelling article nor does the magazine database show anything; but there's a photo of C&WC 30 in Langley's "Charleston & Western Carolina Railway Album", p65. According to this source there were four such cars, # 30-33.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Riley K" <riley050748@...> wrote:

Does anyone recall seeing such an article about the odd C&WC "caboose car", rebuilt from an old passenger combine, in any of the railroad modeling magazines? I think there was one but I could be wrong. Any help is appreciated.


Charleston and Western Carolina Combination Car article/Drawings

Riley K <riley050748@...>
 

Does anyone recall seeing such an article about the odd C&WC "caboose car", rebuilt from an old passenger combine, in any of the railroad modeling magazines? I think there was one but I could be wrong. Any help is appreciated.


Re: Lowered tackboards on R-40-xx?

Tim O'Connor
 

I can't find any photos of -23 -24 -25 or -26 with lowered tackboards.

Tim O'Connor

Were any PFE cars from classes R-40-26 and earlier modified with lower tackboards after 1954? I've seen a fair number of photos of these cars and none of them show this for either side or end tackboards. By contrast, R-40-27 and later classes, built after the AAR change in tackboard height recommendation, are all in the low position.

It certainly seems that there was not a lowering of tackboards on existing cars, but I'd like somebody who knows to confirm.

Ron Merrick


Re: Charleston and Western Carolina Combination Car article/Drawi...

wlhoss@...
 

There is a short article, in Model Railroader I think, but I couldn't find
it in the database either. I have a printout with the model I started,
but it's boxed up on a shelf. I'll look for it in a bit.

Bill Hoss

In a message dated 10/12/2009 8:46:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
abrown@... writes:

I don't know of a modelling article nor does the magazine database show
anything; but there's a photo of C&WC 30 in Langley's "Charleston & Western
Carolina Railway Album", p65. According to this source there were four such
cars, # 30-33.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Conductors Train Book, Fitz, Sept - Oct, 1938

Wendye Ware
 

--- In STMFC@..., Rod Miller <rod@...> wrote:

Is there any other information about the CDLX cars, e.g.,
car type, car number?
Hi Rod

All of the CDLX cars were of type "T" (tank), and all were westbound empties with destination "SP". They were on four separate trains with dates 10/9/1938, 10/14/1938, 10/17/1938 (two cars, together), and 10/21/1938. In date order, the car numbers were 844, 181, 887, 123, and 846.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: The most common Offset Twin

Schuyler Larrabee
 

At how much per copy, Tim? They imported the ERIE horizontal-rib hopper too, but at something in
the neighborhood of $110.00 each. Rather puts a crimp on a full train's worth! Over time I've
snagged about seven or eight, but if they were in plastic (as the ASH should be done, with alternate
end styles available) then I'd have more.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor

Years ago, Overland imported several of the C&O cars, plus a
C&O triple, in HO scale.

At 10/9/2009 07:15 AM Friday, you wrote:
I think everyone in HO is envious and wishes Rich did cars in that scale,
too. His C&O cars are beautiful, as are all his PRR models.

Elden Gatwood




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Re: ACC Applicators

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Les, the modified needle is a good idea. I sometimes have to make several applications because an
insufficient amount of ACC has been picked up by the sharp end of the hat pin I use. I bought a
card of maybe eight of these at CVS some years ago, about 2" long with a large ball on the back end.
I use a 3x4 piece of glass to put the supply puddle on, and ACC is in the brush-in-the-top style
bottle of Krazy Glue, also from CVS. At times there are two of these bottles, because while this
style of bottle never clogs, humid summer weather or dry heated house, it does tend to thicken with
age. So I have an old bottle with thick stuff, and a newer bottle with thin stuff, selecting which
to use based on the situation.

SGL

I put three to four drops of ACC in a bottle cap (from bottled water) that sits in a piece of foam
to hold it at an angle so
the ACC collects at the bottom of the angled side. The tip of the ACC bottle is then wiped clean
and cap put back on.
Tip always stays clean. ACC is applied from bottle cap with a the eye of a needle that was cut in
half to form a wye and
inserted in a wood dowel. A tool like this is available from MicroMark if you choose not to make
your own. When the
eye of the needle clogs I use a disposable lighter to burn any accumulation off. Since the needle
is stainless steel no harm
is done ( does blacken ) to the needle tip. The burn method with lighter faster (takes seconds )
rather than using Acetone
to clean it which is what I used prior to hearing about using the lighter.

Lester Breuer

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "RichardS" <rstern1@...> wrote:

I would like to hear what others are using for applicator tips for ACC glue bottles.

How do you keep them from clogging?

How do you clean them out when clogged?

In particular, I have been using some applicators that fit onto the bottle top. They have a
metal tube that is quite small
-- I only use them for the thin liquid ACC. They are great for this purpose, giving very good
control of the thin glue that
tends to run otherwise.

Nevertheless, they clog after a few uses and I haven't figured out any way to clean them out --
I don't have any wire or
drills small enough to fit into the tiny tubes and ACC debonder doesn't seem to work.

Thanks
Rick Stern







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Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Schuyler Larrabee
 

The Hawaiian shirts call to me, too . . .

(Thought I'd see you this weekend, Brian?)

SGL

Some of us wish we could be in that crowd. I am also trying to get into the
cocoa beach Hawaiian shirt club.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY


I wouldn't think of leaving my FFC shirts behind. Where the heck
else am I gonna wear them? :-) :-)

Tim O'Connor

At 10/10/2009 05:45 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Many subscribers to this list will be attending the Sunshine Models
Prototype Modelers' Seminar in Naperville, IL later this month. Many
of those who will be at Naperville have Friends of the Freight Car
polo shirts which they acquired years ago when the FFC was more
active than it is now. If you have a Friends of the Freight Car polo
shirt, especially a yellow-orange one with a reefer drawing on it,
make sure you bring it to Naperville. You will find out why at an
appropriate time. DO NOT tell the Loftons about this, or ask them
questions about it, as it supposed to be a surprise.

Richard Hendrickson









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Re: Conductors Train Book, Fitz, Sept - Oct, 1938

Rod Miller
 

Thank you compiling this data Larry.

laramielarry wrote:
Hi Everyone
Here is a summary of a Union Pacific Freight Conductors' Train Book
recorded by a U.P. conductor named Fitz from September 16, 1938 to
October 24, 1938.
[big snip]

6 CDLX
[big snip]

Is there any other information about the CDLX cars, e.g.,
car type, car number?

Thanks

Rod


Re: Conductors Train Book, Fitz, Sept - Oct, 1938

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

Larry,
Thanks for compiling all of this data for the group. As a GN enthusiast, I find the relative lack of GN cars on the UP in the Thirties interesting. I wonder if this is due to the economic effects of the Depression, as the late 30s photos of GN freights I have seen have a higher proportion of home road cars than postwar freights. I find it interesting that NP, CB&Q, and MILW cars show up in higher numbers than GN cars, which seems to reinforce the argument of those who state that you should have more cars from direct connecting roads.

It will be interesting to compare the statistics from the Forties and Fifties books in your collection, when you are able to analyze them.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Conductors Train Book, Fitz, Sept - Oct, 1938

Wendye Ware
 

Hi Everyone

Here is a summary of a Union Pacific Freight Conductors' Train Book recorded by a U.P. conductor named Fitz from September 16, 1938 to October 24, 1938. During this time period Conductor Fitz rode 36 trains on the U.P. mainline between Laramie and Rawlins, Wyoming. Fitz's Train Book overlaps that of Fraley in time and place and helps to flesh out our information about that setting (see previous posts for summaries of Fraley's Train Book).

The 36 trains were evenly split between east- and west-bound. In aggregate there were 2,362 cars, an average of 66 cars per train. Motive power was supplied by 3900 series 4-6-6-4s and 9000 series 4-12-2s. The average train weighed 2,704 tons.

The total number of eastbound cars was about the same as those heading west: 1,170 EB vs. 1,192 WB. However, there was a big difference in the load/empty ratios: EB cars had 1,086 loads and 84 empties, while WB cars had 452 loads and 740 empties.

Eight WB trains were empty, or nearly so: They had a total of ten loads and 655 empties. The longest train of the entire 36 was among this group of eight – it had one load and 95 empties. Fitz's record of this trip includes the note "Hot Box".

The distribution of the cars, by ownership, is:

Road and number of cars
PFE 908
UP 650
MDT 86
SP 64
MILW 46
CNW 37
GTW 32
PRR 31
CB&Q 30
NYC 29
UCR 25
SLSF 20
IC 19
WP 18
ATSF 17
DT&I 16
NWX 15
RI 13
T&P 13
MP 12
GATX 10
MC 10
NP 10
UTLX 10
ART 9
PM 9
T&NO 9
SFRD 8
URT 8
B&O 7
ATLX 6
KCS 6
NADX 6
NKP 6
CDLX 5
CMO 5
D&RGW 5
ERIE 5
SOUTHERN 5
Others 142
Total 2,362

Conductor Fitz recorded the car type for all but 58 cars. The distribution of car types, EB, WB, and total, is:

Type: EB, WB, Total
R: 539, 532, 1071 (Reefers)
B: 215, 254, 469 (Box)
A: 122, 151, 273 (Auto)
C: 120, 94, 214 (Primarily gons, hoppers, and ballast)
D: 31, 40, 71 (Double deck stock)
(blank): 51, 7, 58 (Not listed)
T: 25, 30, 55 (Tank)
S: 25, 29, 54 (Stock)
F: 4, 15, 19 (Flat)
?: 11, 6, 17 (Illegible)
C or G: 16, 0, 16
G: 0, 11, 11 (Gon)
Others: 11, 23, 34
Total: 1170, 1192, 2362

The "C" type is somewhat of a grab bag and includes a few tank cars, box or auto cars, and even a PFE reefer.

Ownership of the 1,071 reefers is dominated by PFE (905), followed by MDT (86).

Ownership of the 742 box and auto cars is distributed as follows:

Road and number of box and auto cars
UP 313
SP 62
GTW 32
CB&Q 30
MILW 28
NYC 23
PRR 22
WP 18
CNW 16
DT&I 16
IC 14
RI 13
MP 12
ATSF 10
MC 10
T&P 10
NP 9
PM 9
T&NO 9
SLSF 6
B&O 5
ERIE 5
NKP 5
Others 65
Grand Total 742

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: Lowered tackboards on R-40-xx?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ron Merrick wrote:
Were any PFE cars from classes R-40-26 and earlier modified with lower tackboards after 1954? I've seen a fair number of photos of these cars and none of them show this for either side or end tackboards. By contrast, R-40-27 and later classes, built after the AAR change in tackboard height recommendation, are all in the low position.

It certainly seems that there was not a lowering of tackboards on existing cars, but I'd like somebody who knows to confirm.
I generally agree with your observation on PFE cars, Ron. I don't have references at hand, but it's my recollection that the lowered board position was only required for new cars. Older cars were supposed to get it if and only if they were in the shop anyway. But if not, someone who has the specific directive at hand should please correct me.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Lowered tackboards on R-40-xx?

mopacfirst
 

Were any PFE cars from classes R-40-26 and earlier modified with lower tackboards after 1954? I've seen a fair number of photos of these cars and none of them show this for either side or end tackboards. By contrast, R-40-27 and later classes, built after the AAR change in tackboard height recommendation, are all in the low position.

It certainly seems that there was not a lowering of tackboards on existing cars, but I'd like somebody who knows to confirm.

Ron Merrick