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Re: brass coupler pocket screw(s)

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Hi Tony,

It's been a long time since I bought any brass freight cars, but the two screws on either side of the coupler pocket were usually 1.4mm, the same as on locomotives and passenger cars.

See you in Naperville,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Re: When is the grain rush?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Larry;

Your data straddles the grain rush nicely. Having once lived in Laramie
also, wasn't the vast majority of grain grown east (well east) of Laramie?
And didn't most grain grown in the mid-west go east? Maybe your location was
on a physical "grain-shed" boundary between western grain growers and
mid-western/eastern grain growers....

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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laramielarry
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:32 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] When is the grain rush?



Hi Folks

When is the grain rush? The reason I ask is that for the next Union Pacific
Freight Conductors' Train Book I transcribe I would like to choose a report
that includes the grain rush. My Train Books are all for the U.P. mainline
between Laramie and Rawlins, Wyoming, and are primarily from 1937 to 1939.

Two of the books I already transcribed cover mid-September to the 3rd week in
October, and there is not a hint of a grain rush. For example, in Fitz's
report there are only 20 cars (of 2,362) that appear to be carrying grain of
any sort.

I assume that Sept-Oct is too early or too late for the grain rush. Or
perhaps the grain rush did not manifest itself on the U.P. transcontinental
route during the Depression?

Thanks,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

SUVCWORR@...
 

Tony,

Does that mean there will be a Naperville next year?? Has someone or a group come forward to continue this?

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 12:16 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts










Jim Babcock wrote:
Tony,
Am I detecting a willingness on your part to produce another run?
The problem would be the venue at which to make the shirts
available. One possibility is next year's Naperville. I've volunteered
in the past to do a new shirt at Cocoa Beach but Mike Brock calls
those shots, and he's had other shirt projects going on.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history




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When is the grain rush?

Wendye Ware
 

Hi Folks

When is the grain rush? The reason I ask is that for the next Union Pacific Freight Conductors' Train Book I transcribe I would like to choose a report that includes the grain rush. My Train Books are all for the U.P. mainline between Laramie and Rawlins, Wyoming, and are primarily from 1937 to 1939.

Two of the books I already transcribed cover mid-September to the 3rd week in October, and there is not a hint of a grain rush. For example, in Fitz's report there are only 20 cars (of 2,362) that appear to be carrying grain of any sort.

I assume that Sept-Oct is too early or too late for the grain rush. Or perhaps the grain rush did not manifest itself on the U.P. transcontinental route during the Depression?

Thanks,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: Those Pesky Offset Twin hoppers

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bill;

Many of us share your frustration, and some of you have also had these same
conversations with manufacturers over the possibilities of offering modular
parts on more than box cars. Hoppers and gons are a good example of what can
be done, and was nicely executed on the Accurail 41' IL gon, albeit without
additional options (different ends, for example). This is an especially good
option on gondolas, which standardized on certain lengths, and then had sides
of different construction, as well as floors of steel, wood, or nailable
steel, and a variety of drop and fixed enmds, all of which can be swapped
around.

It has been patiently explained to me that the realities of assembly costs
and engineering sometimes force manufactureres to go to more fool-proof
one-piece bodies with simple add-ons, rather than more complex multi-piece
bodies.

A study of the variations on the standard and alternate standard offset leads
one to the conclusion that some compromises will have to be made to do either
car in a majority of those roads rostering them, unless a highly modular and
innovative alternative is developed. The variations in IL, interior shape,
rivet patterns, side sills, and especially height, are many, and probably the
reason one has not seen more variations in model form. Snapping all those
pieces together on a modular hopper slope sheet/hopper bottom assembly gives
one pause to see what could go wrong given a few dimensional errors or fumble
fingers!

Here's hoping someone will take up that challenge...

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Welch
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:01 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Those Pesky Offset Twin hoppers



I was struck by how frustrated I was in my comments about the Kadee offset
twin and I hope I did not offend anyone by my initial email on this subject.
I went back to some notes I had made to myself about it's potential for me in
what I want to model. This helped me remember the various details of the
major groups of car "looks" which in turn reminded me of why this offering is
so frustrating to me. I also looked back at all of Ed Hawkins' very
authoritative series of articles in the RP CYC to remind me of the various
differences and major owner railroads. In Part I he notes that there were
"more than 127,000 33-foot interior length 2-bay offset twins were built."
This number includes the AAR Standard, the AAR Alternate Standard, and the
nonstandard cars.

So far, Kadee has done cars for 13 railroads, representing 16,926 cars or
13.32% of the cars built from 1934 through 1960. The B&O owned 21,300 cars
that pretty well match, if not exactly match the Kadee model. One issue is
that 14,000 of the B&O cars had the Duryea underframe. While I can understand
Kadee not creating the tooling for a system used by only one railroad, I find
it quite strange that they have not done a model representing one of the
7,300 B&O cars without the Duryea! While it is nice to have a model of a NYC
car, their 1,000 cars seem like a small number of cars when compared to the
numbers owned by the B&O. (My authority for this is Kadee's website that
shows examples of the cars they have done, whether they are currently
available, or sold out. I saw no B&O cars listed).

So okay they are only doing one basic car body, especially as related to the
bottom of the side of the car. But they have failed to do the cars with the
heap shields. Several railroads had cars with this configuration in small and
large numbers. The L&N had only 7,200 cars with angled heap shields and only
8,800 cars with the notched angular heap shields. I have not calculated how
many L&N cars matched the Kadee car side but I know many did.

What really bugs me is that model companies do not see the possibilities if
they would adopt a modular approach to what they are doing. By doing 3 sides
and ends w/both straight tops and the various heap shield designs, most of
those 127,000 cars could be modeled and almost all of the railroads in Ed's 2
and 3/4 page table covering over 55 railroads could be done. I did not
include the IC's cars and their cousins. And many people do not want just 1-3
offset twins.

While Kadee does beautiful models, and have added to the technology and
engineering of modeling in the way they have approached their subjects, I
would also argue that they have outsmarted themselves with their approach to
this particular car type and I think the shear number of cars their model
does not represent backs me up.

I hope that one of the manufacturers will wake up and see the possibilities.

Bill Welch

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Re: brass coupler pocket screw(s)

Malcolm H. Houck
 

Does anyone know the metric screw size of the standard coupler
pocket screw in brass HO freight cars?

Tony,

Most are 1.4 mm screws........with varying head styles.

Mal Houck


Re: brass coupler pocket screw(s)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I wrote:

I take it that the 1.4 mm diam. screw with fine threads is normally 0.3 mm pitch . . .
This is a coarse pitch thread (NOT fine), which is normally the default in metric threads. My mistake.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: brass coupler pocket screw(s)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Metric thread of 1.4mm, should be available at NWSL and others.
Ray Z
Thanks, Ray. YEs, NWSL has a lot of metric fasteners. I take it that the 1.4 mm diam. screw with fine threads is normally 0.3 mm pitch, and I can just choose the length.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: brass coupler pocket screw(s)

Ray Zeffert
 

Hi Tony
Metric thread of 1.4mm, should be available at NWSL and others.
Ray Z

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Does anyone know the metric screw size of the standard coupler
pocket screw in brass HO freight cars? I recently picked up some of
these cars second-hand and the previous owner lost or harvested the
screws. I do of course have some other cars which can furnish
examples, but don't have a metric thread checker. Thanks in advance.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jim Babcock wrote:
Tony,
Am I detecting a willingness on your part to produce another run?
The problem would be the venue at which to make the shirts available. One possibility is next year's Naperville. I've volunteered in the past to do a new shirt at Cocoa Beach but Mike Brock calls those shots, and he's had other shirt projects going on.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Lackawanna XM 1950 and 1955

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
When I announced the 1955 version of these cars, there were a few that said they were interested,
but that 1955 was too late for their purposes. I wanted to let those who can use a car, 1950 and
later, know that these are available.
Thanks, Schuyler. I am among those waiting for the 1950 version, and I've just ordered one.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

James Babcock
 

Tony,
Am I detecting a willingness on your part to produce another run?
Jim




________________________________
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 3:06:42 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

 
Brian Ehni wrote:
AFAIK, there is a difference between golf and polo shirts. True golf
shirts have pockets (for score card and pencil). Polos do not.
Always burns me when I see "golf shirts" advertised that are sans
pockets.
That may well be the original distinction, but I can assure you
that if you look in shirt catalogs, most styles can be had "with or
without pockets" and are all called EITHER golf or polo. I've been
through this numerous times in arranging for imprinted shirts for
various conventions as well as FOTFC.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history







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Re: Those Pesky Offset Twin hoppers

boyds1949 <E27ca@...>
 

in addition to the Duryea underframe, the B&O cars in classes N-35A, N-41 and (I think) N-44 had Z shaped end braces which were placed closer together on the end than the end braces on the Kadee car. That is a fairly visable spotting feature which makes them stand out for me. The earlier N-35 cars built in 1940 and 41 are more closely represented by the Atlas car.

John King

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I was struck by how frustrated I was in my comments about the Kadee
offset twin and I hope I did not offend anyone by my initial email on
this subject. I went back to some notes I had made to myself about
it's potential for me in what I want to model. This helped me
remember the various details of the major groups of car "looks" which
in turn reminded me of why this offering is so frustrating to me. I
also looked back at all of Ed Hawkins' very authoritative series of
articles in the RP CYC to remind me of the various differences and
major owner railroads. In Part I he notes that there were "more than
127,000 33-foot interior length 2-bay offset twins were built." This
number includes the AAR Standard, the AAR Alternate Standard, and the
nonstandard cars.

So far, Kadee has done cars for 13 railroads, representing 16,926
cars or 13.32% of the cars built from 1934 through 1960. The B&O
owned 21,300 cars that pretty well match, if not exactly match the
Kadee model. One issue is that 14,000 of the B&O cars had the Duryea
underframe. While I can understand Kadee not creating the tooling for
a system used by only one railroad, I find it quite strange that they
have not done a model representing one of the 7,300 B&O cars without
the Duryea! While it is nice to have a model of a NYC car, their
1,000 cars seem like a small number of cars when compared to the
numbers owned by the B&O. (My authority for this is Kadee's website
that shows examples of the cars they have done, whether they are
currently available, or sold out. I saw no B&O cars listed).

So okay they are only doing one basic car body, especially as related
to the bottom of the side of the car. But they have failed to do the
cars with the heap shields. Several railroads had cars with this
configuration in small and large numbers. The L&N had only 7,200 cars
with angled heap shields and only 8,800 cars with the notched angular
heap shields. I have not calculated how many L&N cars matched the
Kadee car side but I know many did.

What really bugs me is that model companies do not see the
possibilities if they would adopt a modular approach to what they are
doing. By doing 3 sides and ends w/both straight tops and the
various heap shield designs, most of those 127,000 cars could be
modeled and almost all of the railroads in Ed's 2 and 3/4 page table
covering over 55 railroads could be done. I did not include the IC's
cars and their cousins. And many people do not want just 1-3 offset
twins.

While Kadee does beautiful models, and have added to the technology
and engineering of modeling in the way they have approached their
subjects, I would also argue that they have outsmarted themselves
with their approach to this particular car type and I think the shear
number of cars their model does not represent backs me up.

I hope that one of the manufacturers will wake up and see the
possibilities.

Bill Welch



Lackawanna XM 1950 and 1955

Schuyler Larrabee
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Welch
Subject: [STMFC] Those Pesky Offset Twin hoppers
In writing about Offset Twin Hoppers, Bill wrote in part:

What really bugs me is that model companies do not see the
possibilities if they would adopt a modular approach to what they are
doing.
Thanks, Bill, for a nice intro to talking about the Erie Lackawanna Historical Society's latest run
of XM cars suitable for the STMFC era. Readers with an reasonable attention span will recall that I
posted here when we (the ELHS) released the later paint scheme applied to these 1950 cars in 1955.
We have now released the original paint scheme from 1950. The difference is that the original,1950,
scheme had the word "LACKAWANNA" in small lettering over the slogan "The Route of Phoebe Snow" on
the right end of the side. The 1955 version has a billboard "LACKAWANNA," much larger lettering, on
the left side of the door, with the same "Route of Phoebe Snow" to the right of the door.

The relevance of Bill's note is that the combinations of roof, sides and ends utilized by
Intermountain in producing this car are correct, and had not been previously combined by
Intermountain in any of their commercial kits to date. This is a great example of combining modular
mold parts. This combination potential was noted by some Society members, and we were able to work
with IM to get this project done.(I will say that while IM comes in for its share of criticism on
these pages, they were good to work with; this project took several iterations of samples of the
lettering to reach perfection.)

When I announced the 1955 version of these cars, there were a few that said they were interested,
but that 1955 was too late for their purposes. I wanted to let those who can use a car, 1950 and
later, know that these are available.

You can find these at www.erielack.org The photo shows both the 1955 and 1950 versions.

Thanks

Schuyler Larrabee
Erie Lackawanna Historical Society
Board Member and Past Chairman





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Those Pesky Offset Twin hoppers

Bill Welch
 

I was struck by how frustrated I was in my comments about the Kadee
offset twin and I hope I did not offend anyone by my initial email on
this subject. I went back to some notes I had made to myself about
it's potential for me in what I want to model. This helped me
remember the various details of the major groups of car "looks" which
in turn reminded me of why this offering is so frustrating to me. I
also looked back at all of Ed Hawkins' very authoritative series of
articles in the RP CYC to remind me of the various differences and
major owner railroads. In Part I he notes that there were "more than
127,000 33-foot interior length 2-bay offset twins were built." This
number includes the AAR Standard, the AAR Alternate Standard, and the
nonstandard cars.

So far, Kadee has done cars for 13 railroads, representing 16,926
cars or 13.32% of the cars built from 1934 through 1960. The B&O
owned 21,300 cars that pretty well match, if not exactly match the
Kadee model. One issue is that 14,000 of the B&O cars had the Duryea
underframe. While I can understand Kadee not creating the tooling for
a system used by only one railroad, I find it quite strange that they
have not done a model representing one of the 7,300 B&O cars without
the Duryea! While it is nice to have a model of a NYC car, their
1,000 cars seem like a small number of cars when compared to the
numbers owned by the B&O. (My authority for this is Kadee's website
that shows examples of the cars they have done, whether they are
currently available, or sold out. I saw no B&O cars listed).

So okay they are only doing one basic car body, especially as related
to the bottom of the side of the car. But they have failed to do the
cars with the heap shields. Several railroads had cars with this
configuration in small and large numbers. The L&N had only 7,200 cars
with angled heap shields and only 8,800 cars with the notched angular
heap shields. I have not calculated how many L&N cars matched the
Kadee car side but I know many did.

What really bugs me is that model companies do not see the
possibilities if they would adopt a modular approach to what they are
doing. By doing 3 sides and ends w/both straight tops and the
various heap shield designs, most of those 127,000 cars could be
modeled and almost all of the railroads in Ed's 2 and 3/4 page table
covering over 55 railroads could be done. I did not include the IC's
cars and their cousins. And many people do not want just 1-3 offset
twins.

While Kadee does beautiful models, and have added to the technology
and engineering of modeling in the way they have approached their
subjects, I would also argue that they have outsmarted themselves
with their approach to this particular car type and I think the shear
number of cars their model does not represent backs me up.

I hope that one of the manufacturers will wake up and see the
possibilities.

Bill Welch


Re: brass coupler pocket screw(s)

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Do you have a micrometer (english or metric) that you could use to check the diameter of the thread on a mating screw? This diameter will always be slightly smaller than the nominal thread diameter.

Also, place a metric rule along the thread and determine the distance between thread crests (the wavelength, for the scientifically inclined). If very fine, measure distance of 10 crests and divide by 10.

There are a limited number of combinations of diameter and pitch that are standard. You might be able to divine the right one here: http://www.mcmaster.com/#machine-screws/=418ow2
or post and I'll take a try.

I would NOT use a tap to check the internal thread. With small sizes there are usually several closely spaced sizes. It is easy to change the thread while "checking". A tap can be used with a scew to check pitch, however.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson

Does anyone know the metric screw size of the standard coupler
pocket screw in brass HO freight cars? I recently picked up some of
these cars second-hand and the previous owner lost or harvested the
screws. I do of course have some other cars which can furnish
examples, but don't have a metric thread checker. Thanks in advance.


Re: ACC Applicators

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Several posters report that in their experience needle applicators do not deliver enough ACC glue. That is commonly true if one does not spin/twirl the needle as it either drawn along, or the application is in a single location, i.e. this spinning allows the glue on all sides of the needle point to be laid down, not just one side. Doing this also much diminishes the amount of ACC left to dry and cake on the needle point.

Now, this does require that the needle point be clean and clear of caked ACC....

Again, use steel needles, not pins or pieces of wire. The long tapered ends of the needles are strong, the points stay sharp, and the steel withstands the repeated cleaning of the tip. I hold it permanently in a cheap flea-market pin vise.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


brass coupler pocket screw(s)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Does anyone know the metric screw size of the standard coupler pocket screw in brass HO freight cars? I recently picked up some of these cars second-hand and the previous owner lost or harvested the screws. I do of course have some other cars which can furnish examples, but don't have a metric thread checker. Thanks in advance.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Conductors Train Book, Fitz, Sept - Oct, 1938

Mark
 

Thanks Larry!
 
Mark Morgan

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, laramielarry <larryostresh@gmail.com> wrote:


From: laramielarry <larryostresh@gmail.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Conductors Train Book, Fitz, Sept - Oct, 1938
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 9:40 PM


 



Hi Everyone

Here is a summary of a Union Pacific Freight Conductors' Train Book recorded by a U.P. conductor named Fitz from September 16, 1938 to October 24, 1938. During this time period Conductor Fitz rode 36 trains on the U.P. mainline between Laramie and Rawlins, Wyoming. Fitz's Train Book overlaps that of Fraley in time and place and helps to flesh out our information about that setting (see previous posts for summaries of Fraley's Train Book).

The 36 trains were evenly split between east- and west-bound. In aggregate there were 2,362 cars, an average of 66 cars per train. Motive power was supplied by 3900 series 4-6-6-4s and 9000 series 4-12-2s. The average train weighed 2,704 tons.

The total number of eastbound cars was about the same as those heading west: 1,170 EB vs. 1,192 WB. However, there was a big difference in the load/empty ratios: EB cars had 1,086 loads and 84 empties, while WB cars had 452 loads and 740 empties.

Eight WB trains were empty, or nearly so: They had a total of ten loads and 655 empties. The longest train of the entire 36 was among this group of eight – it had one load and 95 empties. Fitz's record of this trip includes the note "Hot Box".

The distribution of the cars, by ownership, is:

Road and number of cars
PFE 908
UP 650
MDT 86
SP 64
MILW 46
CNW 37
GTW 32
PRR 31
CB&Q 30
NYC 29
UCR 25
SLSF 20
IC 19
WP 18
ATSF 17
DT&I 16
NWX 15
RI 13
T&P 13
MP 12
GATX 10
MC 10
NP 10
UTLX 10
ART 9
PM 9
T&NO 9
SFRD 8
URT 8
B&O 7
ATLX 6
KCS 6
NADX 6
NKP 6
CDLX 5
CMO 5
D&RGW 5
ERIE 5
SOUTHERN 5
Others 142
Total 2,362

Conductor Fitz recorded the car type for all but 58 cars. The distribution of car types, EB, WB, and total, is:

Type: EB, WB, Total
R: 539, 532, 1071 (Reefers)
B: 215, 254, 469 (Box)
A: 122, 151, 273 (Auto)
C: 120, 94, 214 (Primarily gons, hoppers, and ballast)
D: 31, 40, 71 (Double deck stock)
(blank): 51, 7, 58 (Not listed)
T: 25, 30, 55 (Tank)
S: 25, 29, 54 (Stock)
F: 4, 15, 19 (Flat)
?: 11, 6, 17 (Illegible)
C or G: 16, 0, 16
G: 0, 11, 11 (Gon)
Others: 11, 23, 34
Total: 1170, 1192, 2362

The "C" type is somewhat of a grab bag and includes a few tank cars, box or auto cars, and even a PFE reefer.

Ownership of the 1,071 reefers is dominated by PFE (905), followed by MDT (86).

Ownership of the 742 box and auto cars is distributed as follows:

Road and number of box and auto cars
UP 313
SP 62
GTW 32
CB&Q 30
MILW 28
NYC 23
PRR 22
WP 18
CNW 16
DT&I 16
IC 14
RI 13
MP 12
ATSF 10
MC 10
T&P 10
NP 9
PM 9
T&NO 9
SLSF 6
B&O 5
ERIE 5
NKP 5
Others 65
Grand Total 742

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming



















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Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Brian Ehni wrote:
AFAIK, there is a difference between golf and polo shirts. True golf shirts have pockets (for score card and pencil). Polos do not. Always burns me when I see "golf shirts" advertised that are sans pockets.
That may well be the original distinction, but I can assure you that if you look in shirt catalogs, most styles can be had "with or without pockets" and are all called EITHER golf or polo. I've been through this numerous times in arranging for imprinted shirts for various conventions as well as FOTFC.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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