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Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

water.kresse@...
 

There is the bright dark-ish yellow shirt with black wooden box car and lettering version that I have.  The only problem is I'm not the same size any more . . . so it is a little tight.  I use it almost every year at the C&O conferences for FC presentations and have also used it at Naperville.



Al Kresse

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Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
I think that's the one -- it's more of a puke yellow than orange... :-)
There are both orange and yellow shirts. The orange is pretty vivid.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Tim O'Connor
 

I think that's the one -- it's more of a puke yellow than orange... :-)

Tim

I don't have an orange shirt but I do have a black one and a bright yellow one.


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

And why wait for Sacramento - we could get together for a seafood dinner (crab, perhaps?) in Milwaukee next year ... <
I just mentioned Sacramento as I will not be at Milwaukee. But Milwaukee would be fine and I would buy a shirt to help out.
I idea is to prepay so someone doesn't get stuck with part of a bill.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Marty McGuirk
 

I don't have an orange shirt but I do have a black one and a bright yellow one.

And why wait for Sacramento - we could get together for a seafood dinner (crab, perhaps?) in Milwaukee next year ...

Marty


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Tim O'Connor
 

I recall Richard joking about wearing shirts with
PROTOTYPE POLICE printed in large letters on the back
and having citation books printed... I thought it was
a good idea, although it would probably get us lynched
at most train shows. :-)

Tim O'Connor

I attended the 1990 Pittsburg convention. I remember seeing Richard walking with GN guru Staffan Einhbom (sp?) who I knew, wearing mineral brown shirts that said "Freight Car Mafia" on them. Impressive!
Bill Williams


Re: Journal Packing of Private Owner Cars

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Rod Miller wrote:
We are all familiar with the photo of the man squirting oil into
journal boxes . . . However, if in the above time frame, there was a
formal process for packing journal . . .
Rod, oiling journals and packing journals are two entirely
different things. The packing refers to the cotton waste or equivalent
material which was supposed to wick the oil onto the journal surface,
and was usually done with a tool. Some journal cellars were equipped
with formed metal frames which supported the waste. That process did
result in a stenciled record. But adding oil did NOT result in any
stenciling, and was done as needed.

Tony Thompson
To expand on Tony's answer a bit more, a "repack" consisted of pushing the old waste down, inspecting the axle end by dragging a hooked brass rod along it's underside to feel for any roughness or scoring, then fluffing the waste up so it touched the axle, adding / replacing waste as needed, and topping off the oil. The car was then stenciled with the date / location the work was done. The ARA / AAR mandated journal repacks at a certain interval (eighteen months? Someone help me out)and whatever road the car was presently on when the time expired was responcsible for doing the work.

If a defective journal was found, or a condemable wheelset, then that wheelset needed to be replaced and both journals cleaned and repacked. This was still preformed at the location discovered, whether the car was loaded or empty, and the work was charged back to the car owner at a standard rate set by the AAR. That's why refferance books like the Official Railway Equipment Register have a "Send all repair bills to..." line in each listing.

Dennis


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Is it possible we could do a dinner (pizza??) at the National in Sacramento? Possibly a new shirt and a pay in advance to make sure we don't have a repeat of that problem!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Journal Packing of Private Owner Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rod Miller wrote:
We are all familiar with the photo of the man squirting oil into journal boxes . . . However, if in the above time frame, there was a formal process for packing journal . . .
Rod, oiling journals and packing journals are two entirely different things. The packing refers to the cotton waste or equivalent material which was supposed to wick the oil onto the journal surface, and was usually done with a tool. Some journal cellars were equipped with formed metal frames which supported the waste. That process did result in a stenciled record. But adding oil did NOT result in any stenciling, and was done as needed.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bill Williams wrote:
I attended the 1990 Pittsburg convention. I remember seeing Richard walking with GN guru Staffan Einhbom (sp?) who I knew, wearing mineral brown shirts that said "Freight Car Mafia" on them. Impressive!
The FOTFC shirts were orange and said "Friends of the Freight Car." If there were also "Freight Car Mafia" shirts at that convention, I missed them.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: When is the grain rush?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Larry,

After looking at the excellent data that John Hile provided, I think an obvious question arises. Did grain need to be shipped (via the UP between Laramie and Rawlins, WY) to get from the farm to the [flour] mill?

I think the answer is "no", but I don't have the ICC data to prove it. I suspect that KS and NE wheat was milled in KC, Omaha, or possibly Minneapolis. WA, OR, and ID wheat was probably milled in Seattle, Portland, or Minneapolis, or exported from Seattle or Portland. In none of those cases would (much of) the wheat travel over Sherman Hill.

Regards,

-Jeff


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Subject: [STMFC] Re: When is the grain rush?

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "laramielarry" <larryostresh@...> wrote:

Hi Folks

When is the grain rush?
Larry,

I have the following from the 1954 World Book Encyclopedia regarding wheat and wheat harvesting...

Average Production in Twelve Leading States over a Period of Ten Years:

State - Bushels
Kansas - 126,060,000
N. Dakota - 75,820,000
Oklahoma - 48,419,000
Washington - 48,198,000
Montana - 42,550,000
Ohio - 42,003,000
Nebraska - 41,085,000
Illinois - 34,580,000
Texas - 28,195,000
Indiana - 28,154,000
Missouri - 26,875,000
Idaho - 24,194,000

Named for when planted, there is "Spring-Wheat" (planted in spring, harvested in summer) and "Winter-Wheat" (planed in fall, harvested following summer)...

Spring-Wheat Region: N. Dakota, Montana, S. Dakota, Minnesota
Winter Wheat Region: Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas, eastern Colorado, northeastern New Mexico.
Spring and Winter Varieties: Columbia River Basin, including the Blue Mountains in eastern Oregon and Washington.
"Soft Grain" Varieties grown "in rotation with other crops": Ohio, Illinois, Indiana


Journal Packing of Private Owner Cars

Rod Miller
 

We are all familiar with the photo of the
man squirting oil into journal boxes as the
car rolled down the hump. Is that how
journals were maintained towards the end
of the steam era? If so, then that process
(squirting oil) would seem to cover all cars
regardless of ownership.

However, if in the above time frame, there was
a formal process for packing journals that
resulted in a lettering "record" being applied
to the car, how was that done for private owner
cars?

One thought is that the owner could contract
with (most likely) a railroad to have their
facilities pack the journals when the owner
wanted it done.

Apologies in advance if this has already been
discussed. I didn't look at more than a few of
the 1700 messages a search of the message
archive produced, and a google search didn't
turn up anything in the first few pages of
results.

Thanks

Rod


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

bill_d_goat
 


Tim is quite right. The FFC had its beginnings at a back yard BBQ at
Tony Thompson's home during the 1990 Pittsburgh NMRA convention. We
all got shirts at that event, and other shirts of different colors
were produced at intervals in the 1990s, but there were no dues,
officers, or organizational paraphernalia of any kind (intentionally
I attended the 1990 Pittsburg convention. I remember seeing Richard walking with GN guru Staffan Einhbom (sp?) who I knew, wearing mineral brown shirts that said "Freight Car Mafia" on them. Impressive!
Bill Williams


Re: When is the grain rush?

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

Don't forget to factor in the effect of grain elevators. Grain is often harvested and stored
in relatively local elevators and then shipped to the users (such as bread companies) "as
needed". This allows the shipments to be spread out and reduces the need for truly huge
local storage. Yes, there was a grain rush - that used up extra cars such as box cars with
paper doors, etc. But there was/is also a lot of 'store now and ship later'.
If you think about it there are very few "grain products" that have a seasonal nature to
their demand - and many of those bubbles are still "exchanges" rather than actual increase
in demand. The amount of grain shipped/consumed is more directly related to the size of
the local population than to the season - and even when population has fluctuations (such
as Florida/Arizona in the Winter) it is still an "exchange" (e.g. grain usage in Florida goes up
while grain use in the NorthEast goes down). This is true for most food products, not just
grain.
During the era appropriate for this list the local users (such as bread companies) were
smaller and more spread out than today - but the basic principle of "how many people
are we selling product to? -this week/month-" still applied.
- Jim


Re: When is the grain rush?

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "laramielarry" <larryostresh@...> wrote:

Hi Folks

When is the grain rush? The reason I ask is that for the next Union Pacific Freight Conductors' Train Book I transcribe I would like to choose a report that includes the grain rush. My Train Books are all for the U.P. mainline between Laramie and Rawlins, Wyoming, and are primarily from 1937 to 1939.

Two of the books I already transcribed cover mid-September to the 3rd week in October, and there is not a hint of a grain rush. For example, in Fitz's report there are only 20 cars (of 2,362) that appear to be carrying grain of any sort.

I assume that Sept-Oct is too early or too late for the grain rush. Or perhaps the grain rush did not manifest itself on the U.P. transcontinental route during the Depression?

Thanks,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming
Larry,
The "grain rush" varies depending on the type of crop grown. On the Great Northern, which served a territory that produces a lot of spring wheat and durum, the grain rush runs from August through September, with prepositioning of cars starting in July. There would still be significant wheat traffic into the early winter months, but the "rush" was typically winding down by early November. Farmers try to hold onto their grain and sell when the prices are highest, but a lot of them need to sell most of their crop right away, as the bankers needed to be paid, not to mention the seed, fertilizer, and fuel jobbers.

Further south, more winter wheat is grown, IIRC, and the harvest starts earlier in the year. I would look at a June, July, or August book if I were you. Of course, your books are from Wyoming, not Kansas, so I don't know how much wheat was grown in that area at the time.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: When is the grain rush?

John Hile
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "laramielarry" <larryostresh@...> wrote:

Hi Folks

When is the grain rush?








Larry,

I have the following from the 1954 World Book Encyclopedia regarding wheat and wheat harvesting...

Arizona, southern California - May
South of about 40-degrees north latitude - June
Northern US - July, August

Re: 1930's...

"At the end of the war (WW1 - jfh) European nations increased their production even above what it had been...so they would not have to depend so much on imports. The world supply of wheat increased and prices declined. The resulting distress of wheat farmers and other agricultural producers was one of the causes of the world-wide depression of the early 1930's."

"In 1933 the Agricultural Adjustment Act attacked overproduction and low income through co-operative acreage reduction and benefit payments."

"Before the acreage-reduction program could prove its effectiveness, severe droughts in 1934 and 1936, and rust (fungi - jfh) in 1935 and 1937, struck the wheat regions and wiped out the surplus."

Re: Rust... "It is estimated that in 1935 it reduced the production of wheat in North Dakota alone 59,000,000 bushels."

Average Production in Twelve Leading States over a Period of Ten Years:

State - Bushels
Kansas - 126,060,000
N. Dakota - 75,820,000
Oklahoma - 48,419,000
Washington - 48,198,000
Montana - 42,550,000
Ohio - 42,003,000
Nebraska - 41,085,000
Illinois - 34,580,000
Texas - 28,195,000
Indiana - 28,154,000
Missouri - 26,875,000
Idaho - 24,194,000

Named for when planted, there is "Spring-Wheat" (planted in spring, harvested in summer) and "Winter-Wheat" (planed in fall, harvested following summer)...

Spring-Wheat Region: N. Dakota, Montana, S. Dakota, Minnesota
Winter Wheat Region: Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas, eastern Colorado, northeastern New Mexico.
Spring and Winter Varieties: Columbia River Basin, including the Blue Mountains in eastern Oregon and Washington.
"Soft Grain" Varieties grown "in rotation with other crops": Ohio, Illinois, Indiana


When I was a kid, summer vacations were often to visit family in western Kansas and western Nebraska. It was a treat for a "city" kid to ride in a grain truck, or in the cab of the combine during the wheat harvest. IIRC, they all grew winter wheat.

Hope this is helpful,

John Hile


P&R decal help

Eric Hansmann
 

Greetings,

I'm starting to build an HO scale F&C Reading GHc/GHd gondola and am not sure if the decals are
appropriate for 1926. Here's the finished image from the F&C site:
http://www.fandckits.com/Images/6640Large.jpg

I have Al Westerfield's AC&F DVD and found a builders image of a GHc with the original
Philadelphia & Reading lettering, which is not he same as the lettering shown on the linked
image. When did the P&R lettering change to Reading?

Are there sources for P&R gondola lettering/decals? I checked Art Griffin and Clover House, but
found only P&R box cars. Westerfield has P&R decals for the USRA mill gon. Using parts of two
or three of these may finish the job.

Any other suggestions?

Eric



Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Starting over in a new house:
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/


Re: brass coupler pocket screw(s)

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Hi Tony,

It's been a long time since I bought any brass freight cars, but the two screws on either side of the coupler pocket were usually 1.4mm, the same as on locomotives and passenger cars.

See you in Naperville,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Re: When is the grain rush?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Larry;

Your data straddles the grain rush nicely. Having once lived in Laramie
also, wasn't the vast majority of grain grown east (well east) of Laramie?
And didn't most grain grown in the mid-west go east? Maybe your location was
on a physical "grain-shed" boundary between western grain growers and
mid-western/eastern grain growers....

Elden Gatwood

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laramielarry
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Subject: [STMFC] When is the grain rush?



Hi Folks

When is the grain rush? The reason I ask is that for the next Union Pacific
Freight Conductors' Train Book I transcribe I would like to choose a report
that includes the grain rush. My Train Books are all for the U.P. mainline
between Laramie and Rawlins, Wyoming, and are primarily from 1937 to 1939.

Two of the books I already transcribed cover mid-September to the 3rd week in
October, and there is not a hint of a grain rush. For example, in Fitz's
report there are only 20 cars (of 2,362) that appear to be carrying grain of
any sort.

I assume that Sept-Oct is too early or too late for the grain rush. Or
perhaps the grain rush did not manifest itself on the U.P. transcontinental
route during the Depression?

Thanks,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

SUVCWORR@...
 

Tony,

Does that mean there will be a Naperville next year?? Has someone or a group come forward to continue this?

Rich Orr

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Jim Babcock wrote:
Tony,
Am I detecting a willingness on your part to produce another run?
The problem would be the venue at which to make the shirts
available. One possibility is next year's Naperville. I've volunteered
in the past to do a new shirt at Cocoa Beach but Mike Brock calls
those shots, and he's had other shirt projects going on.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history




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