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Colored pencils

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

What's a good type of colored pencil to use for freight car weathering. The ones I have a too waxy.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Those Pesky Offset Twin hoppers

cornbeltroute <cornbeltroute@...>
 

Brian, I discussed these types of cars in RP CYC Volumes 1, 2, 4, 8, 9, and 13. Another two-part article was published in Railmodel Journal about the time when the Kadee model was being released (June and Aug. 2006). <
Ed, thank you. I've got the first four RP Cycs.

Cross-checking with your roster in Vol. 1, I see that the 1943 CBC has nine photos of these cars plus four drawings, three of which might or might not be relevant. I'll study your articles to find out.

It's a great way to learn, checking references while an interesting thread is underway.

-Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa


Tide Water tank car, TWOX 3050

rwitt_2000
 

From a slide on eBay, this appears to be a Tide Water tank car, TWOX
3050, that has been converted from a three compartment into a single
compartment based upon the flanges on the top of the tank. There is no
date when the slide was taken.

Bob Witt

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&;item=380166651780&ssPageNa&#92;
me=STRK:MEWAX:IT


Re: SOURCE FOR 4/4 DREADNAUGHT ENDS

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "billkeene2004" <wakeene@...> wrote:
I am at the beginning of an effort to scratch build at least six MKT 47001-47500 series stock cars. I am in need of a source for 4/4 Dreadnaught ends for these cars that have an inside height of 8'-7".

Bill, the suggestions about Details West ends and the ends in various resin kits are most accurate but a good stand in for 4/4 dreadnaught ends (with ladders cast on) would be the old AHM double door, double sheathed box car, especially if you can use the roof (it has peaked seem caps and is flat between the seem caps).

Ed


Re: Those Pesky Offset Twin hoppers

Ed Hawkins
 

On Oct 14, 2009, at 1:31 PM, water.kresse@comcast.net wrote:

Are talking about extended-ends and end-extensions when we mention
"heap-shields"?

Don't what is slang and what is "correct" terminology for these.
Al,
That's what I'm referring to. For lack of an official term that I don't
recall ever seeing in a CBC or other dictionary of terms, I have
referred to them as heap shields. If anyone knows the proper
terminology or can point to a reference, please advise.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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Re: Those Pesky Offset Twin hoppers

Ed Hawkins
 

On Oct 14, 2009, at 1:35 PM, cornbeltroute wrote:

Might you have a couple of references to the offset twin hoppers
talked about in this thread?

I'm going to look in my hoppers file right now, maybe I've got
something in there. I'll check my RP CYCs, too (I've got most of 'em
but not all of them) and peruse the older CBCs I have at hand.
Brian,
I discussed these types of cars in RP CYC Volumes 1, 2, 4, 8, 9, and
13. Another two-part article was published in Railmodel Journal about
the time when the Kadee model was being released (June and Aug. 2006).
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Those Pesky Offset Twin hoppers

cornbeltroute <cornbeltroute@...>
 

Ed, Bill,

Might you have a couple of references to the offset twin hoppers talked about in this thread?

I'm going to look in my hoppers file right now, maybe I've got something in there. I'll check my RP CYCs, too (I've got most of 'em but not all of them) and peruse the older CBCs I have at hand.

Thanks much,

Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa


Re: Those Pesky Offset Twin hoppers

water.kresse@...
 

Ed,



Are talking about extended-ends and end-extensions when we mention "heap-shields"?



Don't what is slang and what is "correct" terminology for these.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@sbcglobal.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:15:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Those Pesky Offset Twin hoppers


On Oct 12, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Bill Welch wrote:

<SNIP>
 So okay they are only doing one basic car body, especially as related
 to the bottom of the side of the car. But they have failed to do the
 cars with the heap shields. Several railroads had cars with this
 configuration in small and large numbers. The L&N had only 7,200 cars
 with angled heap shields and only 8,800 cars with the notched angular
 heap shields. I have not calculated how many L&N cars matched the
 Kadee car side but I know many did.

 What really bugs me is that model companies do not see the
 possibilities if they would adopt a modular approach to what they are
 doing. By doing 3 sides and ends w/both straight tops and the
 various heap shield designs, most of those 127,000 cars could be
 modeled and almost all of the railroads in Ed's 2 and 3/4 page table
 covering over 55 railroads could be done. I did not include the IC's
 cars and their cousins. And many people do not want just 1-3 offset
 twins.

 While Kadee does beautiful models, and have added to the technology
 and engineering of modeling in the way they have approached their
 subjects, I would also argue that they have outsmarted themselves
 with their approach to this particular car type and I think the shear
 number of cars their model does not represent backs me up.

 I hope that one of the manufacturers will wake up and see the
 possibilities.
Bill,
The L&N had 3 series representing 5,000 prototype cars having side
arrangements essentially matching the Kadee model (not considering any
variations in the orientation of the side-stake angles). These were
series 32000-33999 (P-S 3-49), 76150-77649 (BSC 12-47), and 77750-79149
(P-S 3-48). As you pointed out, the difference is the end arrangement
having angular notched heap shields. If Kadee tooled a new pair of ends
having these heap shields, then additional models would include A&WP,
GA, Montour, SL-SF, TC, and WofA representing an additional 925
prototype cars.

If Kadee would tool the flat end arrangement used by B&O on their N-41
and N-44 cars (having regular AAR underframes) with Z-section vertical
supports, 8,000 prototype cars for B&O, LNE, and P&S would be
accurately represented (and possibly 500 more cars for CRP/CNJ).

Kadee has not yet produced models for two roads (ATSF and SL-SF) that
otherwise would match their model because the prototype cars had
Enterprise Type D door locks. Kadee offers models having Enterprise
latch and Wine door locks, which were the two most common types. The
NYC cars have been announced, and perhaps soon the C&EI cars will be
produced.

Regarding your comments about adopting a modular approach, Kadee's
model was designed essentially as a module in which each side and each
end are separate inserts. The core compromises the slope sheets and
hopper bottoms. Everything else is a detail part. Theoretically a new
pair of end inserts having the notched angular heap shields could be
tooled. The ends would be identical to the flat-top ends currently
available except they would have the correct heap shields for your L&N
cars and other roads identified above.

In my conversations with Kadee, it's my understanding that the company
has considered tooling ends having the heap shields as well as the ends
correct for the B&O N-41 and N-44 cars. Why hasn't Kadee produced these
variations? It comes down to the tooling cost versus the profit
potential. It's apparent to me that Kadee hasn't been able to justify
the cost versus the projected profit to be made for either of these
variations. If an entrepreneur or the L&N/B&O Historical Society could
guarantee sufficient sales to Kadee (i.e., a proprietary project), then
I believe Kadee would be open to tool the new ends.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Re: Lackawanna XM 1950 and 1955

cornbeltroute <cornbeltroute@...>
 

Schuyler, hi,

Just explored the IRC site but I'm not sure . . . might I ask you if this box car modular model is exclusive to ELHS, or does IRC offer the model perhaps as an undec? I'm in the market for the latter.

Thanks much, Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa

. . . Society's latest run of XM cars . . . the combinations of roof, sides and ends utilized by Intermountain in producing this car are correct. . . . This is a great example of combining modular mold parts. <


Re: SOURCE FOR 4/4 DREADNAUGHT ENDS

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Richard, Andy, Tim, and group,

Thank you for your kind responses. As I am not an end-ologist, your
suggestions have been a great help.

Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:

On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:29 PM, billkeene2004 wrote:

Hello Group,

I am at the beginning of an effort to scratch build at least six
MKT 47001-47500 series stock cars. I am in need of a source for 4/4
Dreadnaught ends for these cars that have an inside height of 8'-7".

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Bill, it sounds like the most obvious source for 4/4 square-cornered
Dreadnaught ends of that height might be a resin model of an ARA 1932
standard steel box car. Both Sunshine and Funaro & Camerlengo have
made such kits in the past, and if you could get (or borrow) even one
end, you could use it as a master to mold your own.

Richard Hendrickson





Re: W&LE gondola

Ray Breyer
 

Bought a InterMountain USRA composite gondola.
W&LE #51720. This car looks good but is it
right?
Any suggestions?
Thanks, Mark Morgan

Hi Mark,

The W&LE had 1000 USRA composite gondolas, 51000-51999, built by Pullman and Standard Steel in late 1919. The Wheeling began converting these cars to all steel gons in mid-1929 (numbered 51000-S - 51999-S) and into all-steel low-sided gons (57000-57120) in 1938, with the last composite cars dropping off the roster by April 1940. When the cars were rebuilt they lost their diagonal side bracing.

The lettering and colors of the Intermountain model match the 1926 in-service photo that I have of these cars (down to the road number). I believe the ends are wrong on the model; photos that I have of the rebuilt cars show flat ends with two horizontal z-bar ribs, while I think the Intermountain cars come with corrugated ends.

Hope this helps!
Ray Breyer


October MRH Released

Rhbale@...
 

The October Model Railroad Hobbyist mediaZine is now available at
_http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com_ (http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com)
As always, it's free.

Richard Bale


Re: When is the grain rush?

Robert kirkham
 

I posted a document to the files section a few years ago that shows the traffic flow for a number of generic commodity groups in Canada for 1938 - 1940. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Freight%20traffic%20seasonality/>; Page 7 shows the flow for grain products, with an obvious grain rush in 1938 and 1939 in the end of August through early November. 1940 - when Canada was already at war - was different.

Not sure that says anything for the USA or the UP, but if the Dominion Bureau of Statistics kept such records, I'm pretty sure the ICC did too.

Rob Kirkham

--------------------------------------------------
From: "laramielarry" <larryostresh@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:31 AM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] When is the grain rush?

Hi Folks

When is the grain rush? The reason I ask is that for the next Union Pacific Freight Conductors' Train Book I transcribe I would like to choose a report that includes the grain rush. My Train Books are all for the U.P. mainline between Laramie and Rawlins, Wyoming, and are primarily from 1937 to 1939.

Two of the books I already transcribed cover mid-September to the 3rd week in October, and there is not a hint of a grain rush. For example, in Fitz's report there are only 20 cars (of 2,362) that appear to be carrying grain of any sort.

I assume that Sept-Oct is too early or too late for the grain rush. Or perhaps the grain rush did not manifest itself on the U.P. transcontinental route during the Depression?

Thanks,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Tony,
 
         Sounds like I need to wear my full Sheriff's Dept uniform for one day and set up the make shift "jail & courthouse" so fines can be paid. Hmmmmm ???
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Tue, 10/13/09, Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com> wrote:


From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 8:44 PM


 



Fred Freitas wrote:
Stop giving Mike & Jeff new ideas for Coco meet! Be careful
of what you wish for, it may come to pass. How much are non-proto
citations anyway ????
RIchard went as far as having fake police badges made, saying
"Prototype Police," and with the slogan "To Serve and Correct." He
made a great sight in his mirror aviator shades, flashing his badge at
offenders <g>. We started to work on a ticket book but decided we were
pushing the boat out a bit far.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history
















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Re: SOURCE FOR 4/4 DREADNAUGHT ENDS

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 13, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Andrew Miller wrote:

Bill,

Intermountain offers the ends from their PFE R40-23 in packages of
four sets.
Yeah, but those are postwar Improved Dreadhaught ends, which aren't
what Bill needs.

Richard Hendrickson


W&LE gondola

Mark
 

Bought a InterMountain USRA composite gondola. W&LE #51720. This car looks good but is it right?

Any suggestions?

Thanks, Mark Morgan


Re: SOURCE FOR 4/4 DREADNAUGHT ENDS

Andrew Miller <aslmmiller@...>
 

Bill,

Intermountain offers the ends from their PFE R40-23 in packages of four sets.

regards,

Andy Miller

----- Original Message -----
From: billkeene2004
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:29 PM
Subject: [STMFC] SOURCE FOR 4/4 DREADNAUGHT ENDS


Hello Group,

I am at the beginning of an effort to scratch build at least six MKT 47001-47500 series stock cars. I am in need of a source for 4/4 Dreadnaught ends for these cars that have an inside height of 8'-7".

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

As Jon Miller will no doubt recall, I looked
at Jon, he looked at me and with my wife, we headed for the door where I saw
Richard and Tony vanish.<

I recall, grin!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: SOURCE FOR 4/4 DREADNAUGHT ENDS

Tim O'Connor
 

Details West? I think they used to make two styles of 4/4
replacement ends for the Athearn R-40-23 reefer that might
be about that height... However I can't find them listed on
Walthers anymore. I know I have a couple of packages...

Tim O'Connor

At 10/13/2009 06:29 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Hello Group,

I am at the beginning of an effort to scratch build at least six MKT 47001-47500 series stock cars. I am in need of a source for 4/4 Dreadnaught ends for these cars that have an inside height of 8'-7".

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


Re: Friends of the Freight Car Shirts

Tim O'Connor
 

Tim,
Stop giving Mike & Jeff new ideas for Coco meet! Be careful of what you wish for, it may come to pass. How much are non-proto citations anyway ????
Fred Freitas
The penalties are extreme: One beer for each infraction.
Repeat violators are set to hard labor, sanding up a set
of Sunshine floors and sides to equal length.

Tim O'Connor

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