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Re: USRA composite gondolas

David
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
I can't think of any other RRs that still had them in revenue service.
Norfolk Southern had 44 out of 150 copies in 7/50, but they were on their way out by then.


Re: Old messages

Aley, Jeff A
 

Brian,

This is the reason why you don't want your messages to be Moderated: they may wait a LONG TIME for approval.

All of those messages were moderated, and were pending approval. I happened to notice that there were a bunch, so I waded through them and approved the on-topic messages, and deleted the rest.

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of prrk41361
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Old messages



Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen emails with sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier today. Many were from Ed Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I am confused.

Brian Carlson


Re: Tide Water tank car, TWOX 3050

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Actually, it doesn't. Fluid-tight joints must be "caulked" or "fullered" by hitting the exposed edge with a chisel to force a lip of metal into the underlying plate. The compressive load over a rivetted joint is not uniform. It is high directly under the rivet heads and can be quite low in between - it's just the nature of elastic materials (like steel).

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: William Keene

Remember, a properly
installed rivet connecting two steel plates upon cooling cinches the
plates up very tight to make a watertight seal.


Re: NYC diagram book

cinderandeight@...
 

Ed,
I believe the book you are referencing was reprinted by George R. Cockle in
1974. The original book came from Mr. Alfred Gorney. It was dated
December 31, 1938, with revisions up to June 30, 1944. It's a great resource
for researching NYC cars. I use is in conjunction with my February 1917 book
(revised to Oct. 1, 1923) to trace the history of early NYC equipment.
Rich Burg


Re: USRA composite gondolas

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:54 PM, bnonut wrote:

My earlier message about the InterMountain car was answered and now
wonder if any cars of this model ran on other roads.
Thought maybe a new paint job could get this to the fifties!
Hopeful thinking and any suggestions.
No good news here, Mark. Almost all of the USRA composite gondolas
were rebuilt or scrapped by the end of WW II. Minneapolis & St.
Louis had some refurbished ex-L&N cars, some of which lasted into the
early '50s, but only one of those was still listed in the 1/53 ORER.
I can't think of any other RRs that still had them in revenue service.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Old messages

Jeffrey White
 

I received them too, on an earthlink account.

Jeff White

Tim O'Connor wrote:



Looks like a Yahoo hiccup to me -- you both have @yahoo.com email
addresses.

Tim O'Connor

At 10/15/2009 05:46 PM Thursday, you wrote:
I received them too?
Mark Morgan

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, prrk41361 <prrk41361@...
<mailto:prrk41361%40yahoo.com>> wrote:

From: prrk41361 <prrk41361@... <mailto:prrk41361%40yahoo.com>>

Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen
emails with sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier today. Many were from Ed Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I am confused.
Brian Carlson


USRA composite gondolas

Bill Welch
 

The L&N's USRA composite gons ran into the 1950's with the only change being AB brakes. They also built 1000 near copies of this car equipped w/cast side frame trucks and lacking the flat diagonal brace attached to the end panels, which is easy to cut out on the IM model.

For those who don't like mixing wood and styrene, I created a pattern for Speedwitch for resin sides for this kit. I did this after building new styrene sides for the two models I built. I also think by using individual styrene strips, it more effectively modeled the individual boards by making them more understated, yet still noticeable. This enabled my to attach the sides w/Testors liquid cement. With the resin side one would use ACC of course. I also think a more secure bond to the IM side is possible using AAC with resin in place of wood.

Bill Welch


Re: Old messages

Tim O'Connor
 

Looks like a Yahoo hiccup to me -- you both have @yahoo.com email
addresses.

Tim O'Connor

At 10/15/2009 05:46 PM Thursday, you wrote:
I received them too?
Mark Morgan

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, prrk41361 <prrk41361@...> wrote:

From: prrk41361 <prrk41361@...>

Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen emails with sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier today. Many were from Ed Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I am confused.
Brian Carlson


USRA composite gondolas

Mark
 

My earlier message about the InterMountain car was answered and now wonder if any cars of this model ran on other roads.
Thought maybe a new paint job could get this to the fifties! Hopeful thinking and any suggestions.

Mark Morgan


Re: Old messages

Mark
 

I received them too?
Mark Morgan

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, prrk41361 <prrk41361@...> wrote:

From: prrk41361 <prrk41361@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Old messages
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 5:12 PM













 





Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen emails with sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier today. Many were from Ed Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I am confused.



Brian Carlson




































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NO MORE SHIRT POSTS

Stokes John
 

Sorry for the belated post, didn't see the moderators message in a long string of unopened messages. I hope this means that moderators will actually listen and act appropriately, so members don't have to police themselves when apparently necessary. This thread should have been stopped long ago.

John S.

To: stmfc@...
From: ggstokes@...
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:25:52 -0700
Subject: RE: [STMFC] ONE MORE SHIRT POST!!!!!!!!!!























Children, children, enough, go outside and play with yourselves, and let us stay and play with our trains in peace.



John S.



To: STMFC@...

From: bschneider424@...

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:59:10 -0400

Subject: Re: [STMFC] ONE MORE SHIRT POST!!!!!!!!!!



And quite durable. Mine have lasted quite well considering....



Bill Schneider



About to join a well dressed and stylish Tim in jail.....



From: Tim O'Connor



Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:29 PM



To: STMFC@...



Subject: Re: [STMFC] ONE MORE SHIRT POST!!!!!!!!!!



Did I mention how comfortable the shirts are? And Norm, I think



they look better when they are undersize... it just fits in better



with the overall look & feel of RPM'ers



Tim O'Connor, President, Haute Couture & Western Railway

At 10/15/2009 04:04 PM Thursday, you wrote:



GENTLEMAN:Its October 15th,if I see one more post on T shirts and crap like that I will post a note saying Im leaving,didnt join to read over and over about T shirts and what brand they are...either stick to the topic at hand( and go off line with the shirt crap)or turn this into a SIG called GQ-Trains!!!!!


Enough said


Joel Norman--Missouri


Fashion Cotastrophe/Anxiety

Bill Welch
 

After being able to drive to the annual Naperville event for several years and not having to worry about what to pack, moving to Florida means flying and making sure I pack carefully in order to make sure I have room to bring back the usual booty of kits and photos.

Then I read that some of us are asked to bring our beautiful high quality "Friends of the Freight Car" shirts. This created incredible anxiety as I am also part of the "Hawaiian Shirt Crew" thanks to the generosity of Jim Singer who began including me in this honorable group by gifting me with two of these beautiful high quality shirts. I had been anguishing over which of these two shirts to bring when I was then suddenly confronted with making a decision about which FFC shirt to bring. Yes the reefer shirt seems natural for me but black coordinates with everything. (Must keep the fashionistas happy)

Of course to keep my "street cred," I need to bring at least one shirt from each elite group, OMG what to do?!

Now to make matters worse, I cannot find my reefer shirt, despite my best attempts to sort things as I packed and carefully labeling boxes. (I cannot yet find the power pack for my little drill either.)

Frankly, I am not so much worried about the prototype police as I am the fashion police. I am a basket case!

My suffering is only heightened by the fact that my long time favorite baseball team, the LA Dodgers are in the playoffs and the Phillies are very tough. I am hoping for a first ever "Freeway Series."

HELP. I am wondering if those of you that know me best might be willing to set up a phone tree to call me 2 or 3 times a day between now and October 29 to make sure I am okay.

Thanks for listening to my anguish. (Now I am worried about being in Mike Brock's doghouse.)

Bill Welch


Re: ONE MORE SHIRT POST!!!!!!!!!!

Stokes John
 

Children, children, enough, go outside and play with yourselves, and let us stay and play with our trains in peace.

John S.

To: STMFC@...
From: bschneider424@...
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:59:10 -0400
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ONE MORE SHIRT POST!!!!!!!!!!





















And quite durable. Mine have lasted quite well considering....



Bill Schneider

About to join a well dressed and stylish Tim in jail.....



From: Tim O'Connor

Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:29 PM

To: STMFC@...

Subject: Re: [STMFC] ONE MORE SHIRT POST!!!!!!!!!!



Did I mention how comfortable the shirts are? And Norm, I think

they look better when they are undersize... it just fits in better

with the overall look & feel of RPM'ers



Tim O'Connor, President, Haute Couture & Western Railway

At 10/15/2009 04:04 PM Thursday, you wrote:

GENTLEMAN:Its October 15th,if I see one more post on T shirts and crap like that I will post a note saying Im leaving,didnt join to read over and over about T shirts and what brand they are...either stick to the topic at hand( and go off line with the shirt crap)or turn this into a SIG called GQ-Trains!!!!!
Enough said
Joel Norman--Missouri


Old messages

Brian Carlson
 

Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen emails with sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier today. Many were from Ed Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I am confused.

Brian Carlson


Re: LIFE: Rock Island train yard filled with freig... - Hosted by Google

rwitt_2000
 

Don Worthy wrote:
I see one of those "wagon top" box cars. Guess it's B&O. It's in the
distant center.


Yes, it is with its original door. If the date for the photo is correct
it would be a recently repainted boxcar as the "Linking 13 Great States"
emblem was first adopted in mid-1945 according to Chris Barkan's
document titled "B&O Boxcar Lettering Arrangements 1920s - 1960s".

Freight cars really got dirty during the steam era.

Bob Witt


Re: NYC/PRR ex CONRAIL, 4 bay hopperS in SC

Bruce Smith
 

Not meaning to start a lengthy thread...particulal y since the info is in
2009...but I will note that at about 6:30 PM today while watching an FEC frt
train roll by at a grade crossing, I was startled to see a 4 bay NYC
lettered open hopper roll by. The car had Conrail lettering on the side near
the end in relatively small lettering. Does it surprise anyone that this car
is still soldiering on at this stage in its life? Should I venture to that
crossing at 6:30 tomorrow in hopes of seeing an H3a N&W hopper...or a PFE
R-40-23?

Mike Brock
Mike,

The assets of Conrail were split between CSX and NS. Cars (and locos) going to CSX were lettered "NYC" while those going to NS were lettered "PRR". Enough to warm the heart of any STMFC lister, but alas, not a sign of previous ownership...

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: ONE MORE SHIRT POST!!!!!!!!!!

Bill Schneider
 

And quite durable. Mine have lasted quite well considering....

Bill Schneider
About to join a well dressed and stylish Tim in jail.....


From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:29 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ONE MORE SHIRT POST!!!!!!!!!!



Did I mention how comfortable the shirts are? And Norm, I think
they look better when they are undersize... it just fits in better
with the overall look & feel of RPM'ers

Tim O'Connor, President, Haute Couture & Western Railway

At 10/15/2009 04:04 PM Thursday, you wrote:
GENTLEMAN:Its October 15th,if I see one more post on T shirts and crap like that I will post a note saying Im leaving,didnt join to read over and over about T shirts and what brand they are...either stick to the topic at hand( and go off line with the shirt crap)or turn this into a SIG called GQ-Trains!!!!!
Enough said
Joel Norman--Missouri


Re: SANTA FE REFRIGERATOR CAR TRUCKS

brianleppert@att.net
 

If you feel that the spring plank, spring group, lateral motion device detail and centered vertical web in the bolster end are important details, then check out Tony Thompson's SP Freight Cars book, vol. 4:Box Cars on pages 211, bottom, 226 bottom, 227 top or 239 top. The truck under these cars is the next release from Tahoe Model Works. (in about two months, hopefully)

The side frame isn't an exact match, but it's probably the closest you will get with a TMW truck.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., "john66h" <john66h@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@> wrote:

Could someone please recommend the best
representation of a truck currently on the market for a Santa Fe RR-11
refrigerator car. The time period is the mid 40's.
Bill,

I have several Sunshine Rr-5-9,11 kits in various stages of completion and always keep an eye out for the right trucks.

Currently, I have my eye on the Tahoe, Buckeye, ARA 50-ton trucks (TMW-106 or TMW-206) as the closest match...the bolster end needs a vertical member, and there is no lateral motion device, but the sideframe shape, spring pack, and spring plank all look pretty good to me.

-John Hile


ADMIN : RE: ONE MORE SHIRT POST!!!!!!!!!!

Aley, Jeff A
 

Folks, let us review the rules (conveniently located in the STMFC Files area as "STMFC Rules.rtf" ) :

"...[A]ll
admin, security, or "policing" functions will be conducted only by [Mike Brock] or [his] representatives... Threads or subjects may be terminated only by [Mike Brock] or [his]
representatives. When threads/subjects are terminated, members are expected to avoid sending messages associated with such threads/subjects."

Thus, if you're feeling frustrated by too many posts regarding T-Shirts (or anything else), then feel free to send a note to "STMFC-owner at yahoogroups dot com" and complain, and we'll take action.


By the way, it is probably obvious that the T-shirt thread has wandered considerably away from both Freight Cars and from Prototype Modeler's Meets (which is how this thread got started).

Therefore, please return to discussions of Freight Cars, or of the PM Meets themselves (such as Prototype Rails, Jan 7-10, 2010 in Cocoa Beach, FL).

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of brooklynbus
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:04 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] ONE MORE SHIRT POST!!!!!!!!!!



GENTLEMAN:Its October 15th,if I see one more post on T shirts and crap like that I will post a note saying Im leaving,didnt join to read over and over about T shirts and what brand they are...either stick to the topic at hand( and go off line with the shirt crap)or turn this into a SIG called GQ-Trains!!!!!
Enough said
Joel Norman--Missouri


Re: When is the grain rush?

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

I found myself in Altus, Oklahoma in May a few times. My visits coincided with the winter wheat "grain rush."

Altus used to be served by the Santa Fe, MKT and Frisco but by the time I visited one line was taken up and the other two were small short lines. I can never remember which line is gone nor the names of the short lines.

The rest of the year the two remaining lines appeared abandoned but come May there were locomotives and grain hoppers all over the place. The most significant part in my mind was that the grain car loading went on day and night. At night the areas for loading were brightly lit and locomotives were moving cars almost continuously.

Semi-trucks were hauling in wheat continuously. No more Johnny-Poppers pulling a farm wagon. And there was a lot of noise and dust all the time.

My granddaughter's ex was a custom grain harvestor from Colorado who followed the harvest north from south Texas all the way to North Dakota. Colorado and Kansas may harvest at the same time but not Kansas and Nebraska, for example.

Gene Green

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