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Re: Fashion Cotastrophe/Anxiety
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
Bill Welch notes:
My suffering is only heightened by the fact that my long timeDodgers? Good grief. No, no, this does not mean that baseball is an approved subject for the STMFC. Thanks for listening to my anguish. (Now I am worried about being inThe only real problem you and perhaps John Stokes and Joel Norman might have...not to mention the hundreds of innocent attendees at Cocoa Beach...is that Prototype Rails has been considering coming up with a lettered shirt for the 2010. The good news is that at the rate of our progress, it will be properly lettered for the 2020 meet. But...regardless...for whatever reasons, the generation of a shirt or hat carries with it a tradition sometimes which associates with an important event...like perhaps Dow 10,000. Certainly the Friends of the Freight Car dinner is one, it being synonymous with the development of RPM meets including Naperville and Prototype Rails. Mike Brock
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Re: USRA composite gondolas
Mark
Thank You for all of the replies: Bill, Richard, John and Jim.
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Sincerely, Mark Morgan
--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:
From: Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...> Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: USRA composite gondolas To: STMFC@... Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 10:02 PM Could be. I'm far from an expert on gondolas. Jim Hayes Portland Oregon www.sunshinekits. com Jim, That looks like a composite general-service gon to me...8 panels on the side, side posts dropping below the side sheathing, many more drop doors than a USRA car. -John Hile [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: USRA composite gondolas
Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, john66h wrote:
You're right , John, I'd forgotten that both ACL and Frisco still had significant numbers of original USRA gons in '53. Though I would add that those cars were rapidly being retired by that time and were almost entirely gone by 1/55. Also, the few that were left were probably used only in company service and not interchanged off-line. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Old messages
Wow, You and Mike really threw away the keys on those messages, must have
been looking for N&W hoppers on Sherman Hill. Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY Brian, This is the reason why you don't want your messages to be Moderated: they may wait a LONG TIME for approval.
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Re: USRA composite gondolas
Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
Could be. I'm far from an expert on gondolas.
Jim Hayes Portland Oregon www.sunshinekits.com Jim, That looks like a composite general-service gon to me...8 panels on the side, side posts dropping below the side sheathing, many more drop doors than a USRA car. -John Hile
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Re: USRA composite gondolas
John Hile
--- In STMFC@..., "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:
Jim, That looks like a composite general-service gon to me...8 panels on the side, side posts dropping below the side sheathing, many more drop doors than a USRA car. -John Hile
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Re: USRA composite gondolas
John Hile
--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
At one point I tried to find unmodified (or least modified) 40' USRA cars still listed in the 1/53 ORER with composite sides. Below are my notes... ACL 99300-99443, 141 cars GM&O 12200-12374 most w/solid floors, 170 cars L&N 73000-74999, 19 cars SLSF 85000-85999 solid floors?, 358 cars Additions and/or corrections are welcome. John Hile
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Re: USRA composite gondolas
Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
To combine two messages, the 'old message' of the Life photo of the Rock
Island yard in 1946 includes a great photo of the interior of a RI(?) USRA composite drop bottom gondola. It's in the foreground near the bottom center of the picture. Here's the link. http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f? q=Locomotives+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLocomotives%2Bsource:life% 26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&imgurl=499ba83230c2fb3c Jim Hayes Portland Oregon www.sunshinekits.com
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Re: SANTA FE REFRIGERATOR CAR TRUCKS
John Hile
--- In STMFC@..., "brianleppert@..." <brianleppert@...> wrote:
Brian, These trucks sounds very interesting to me, however, I do not have Vol. 4 of the SP Frt Car Series. I do have Vols. 1 and 3...are the trucks featured in either of these books? Thanks, -John Hile
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Re: Old messages
tbarney2004
I had about 21 old messages, dating back to January...perhaps the mods missed approving messages that got held? They didn't look like messages I had already gotten.
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Tim Barney SUVCWORR@... wrote:
Yes, I did and they included messages I posted.
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Re: Old messages
SUVCWORR@...
Yes, I did and they included messages I posted.
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Rich Orr
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From: prrk41361 <prrk41361@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 4:12 pm Subject: [STMFC] Old messages Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen emails with sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier today. Many were from Ed Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I am confused. Brian Carlson ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: freight car kit discounts
SUVCWORR@...
F&C routinely offers most of their cars 2 for 1 at shows except their most recent releases.
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Discounts on Atlas cars depends on how much of a discount you want. Typical discounts are 15% to 20%. If you look hard enough you can find them at 30% off. You aren't going to find them 2 for 1 unless the seller is trying to go out of business as they will be selling at a significant loss. Rich Orr
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From: ed_mines <ed_mines@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:44 am Subject: [STMFC] freight car kit discounts Anyone know somewhere which discounts Atlas 1932 box cars? Has F&C recently been offering 2 for one at shows? Any of the other resin manufacturers having sales? Ed ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Ohio Minimum Caboose Length requirement circa 1914
water.kresse@...
Thank you Rich! That implies 24 ft to outside of the end of body sill plate.
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Al Kresse
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From: SUVCWORR@... To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [STMFC] Ohio Minimum Caboose Length requirement circa 1914 The Ohio Law (http://books.google.com/books?id=yLGRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA883&lpg=PA883&dq=ohio+caboose+law+1913&source=bl&ots=wIJuiabiKZ&sig=RdW1L5EJj2hBkNV0BDaJejn1rxU&hl=en&ei=72rXSt_oIcem8AbEvL3nCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CBcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=ohio%20caboose%20law%201913&f=false) required all cabooses to be at least 24 feet in length excluding any end platform and to havd 2 4 wheel trucks, Rich Orr -----Original Message----- From: al.kresse <water.kresse@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 12:16 pm Subject: [STMFC] Ohio Minimum Caboose Length requirement circa 1914 Does anyone have the specific wording and effective date for the minimum length of cabooses to be used in interchange service in Ohio that effectively banded 4-wheel bobbers cabeese? Was it measured at the inside of end-ddor sill plates? I've scaled a 17' 4" inside length of car on the C&O "new" early 1900's cabooses. The C&O had Road Cabooses and Conductor's cars. I don't know for sure which wer the 4-wheel and the 8-wheel versions. I know we talked about this on "the old list" . . . . sorry. Thanks, Al Kresse ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links The [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?
SUVCWORR@...
WOW I posted this over 3 months ago and it showed up today.
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Rich Orr
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From: SUVCWORR@... To: STMFC@... Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 10:08 am Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models? The RDG, LV, D&LW, CNJ, CRP, LH&R, L&NE all served anthracite mines and are collectively referred to as the anthracite roads because nearly 100% of the coal they hauled was anthracite. Rich Orr -----Original Message----- From: Rashputin <rashputin@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 1:25 am Subject: [STMFC] Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models? Did Reading serve unique anthracite sources or would other anthracite roads also be supplying that same need and therefore turn up far from home? ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Old messages
rdietrichson
I just received them also, on a Roadrunner acount.
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Rick Dietrichson
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From: Jeffrey White To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Old messages I received them too, on an earthlink account. Jeff White Tim O'Connor wrote: > > > > Looks like a Yahoo hiccup to me -- you both have @yahoo.com email > addresses. > > Tim O'Connor > > At 10/15/2009 05:46 PM Thursday, you wrote: > >I received them too? > >Mark Morgan > > > >--- On Thu, 10/15/09, prrk41361 <prrk41361@... > <mailto:prrk41361%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > >From: prrk41361 <prrk41361@... <mailto:prrk41361%40yahoo.com>> > > > > Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen > emails with sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier > today. Many were from Ed Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I > am confused. > >Brian Carlson > >
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Re: USRA composite gondolas
David
--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
I can't think of any other RRs that still had them in revenue service.Norfolk Southern had 44 out of 150 copies in 7/50, but they were on their way out by then.
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Re: Old messages
Aley, Jeff A
Brian,
This is the reason why you don't want your messages to be Moderated: they may wait a LONG TIME for approval. All of those messages were moderated, and were pending approval. I happened to notice that there were a bunch, so I waded through them and approved the on-topic messages, and deleted the rest. Regards, -Jeff Aley Deputy Moderator, STMFC From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of prrk41361 Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:12 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Old messages Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen emails with sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier today. Many were from Ed Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I am confused. Brian Carlson
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Re: Tide Water tank car, TWOX 3050
Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
Actually, it doesn't. Fluid-tight joints must be "caulked" or "fullered" by hitting the exposed edge with a chisel to force a lip of metal into the underlying plate. The compressive load over a rivetted joint is not uniform. It is high directly under the rivet heads and can be quite low in between - it's just the nature of elastic materials (like steel).
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From: William Keene Remember, a properly installed rivet connecting two steel plates upon cooling cinches the plates up very tight to make a watertight seal.
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Re: NYC diagram book
cinderandeight@...
Ed,
I believe the book you are referencing was reprinted by George R. Cockle in 1974. The original book came from Mr. Alfred Gorney. It was dated December 31, 1938, with revisions up to June 30, 1944. It's a great resource for researching NYC cars. I use is in conjunction with my February 1917 book (revised to Oct. 1, 1923) to trace the history of early NYC equipment. Rich Burg
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Re: USRA composite gondolas
Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:54 PM, bnonut wrote:
My earlier message about the InterMountain car was answered and nowNo good news here, Mark. Almost all of the USRA composite gondolas were rebuilt or scrapped by the end of WW II. Minneapolis & St. Louis had some refurbished ex-L&N cars, some of which lasted into the early '50s, but only one of those was still listed in the 1/53 ORER. I can't think of any other RRs that still had them in revenue service. Richard Hendrickson
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