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Re: USRA composite gondolas

Mark
 

Thank You for all of the replies: Bill, Richard, John and Jim.
Sincerely, Mark Morgan

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:

From: Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: USRA composite gondolas
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 10:02 PM













 





Could be. I'm far from an expert on gondolas.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon

www.sunshinekits. com



Jim,



That looks like a composite general-service gon to me...8 panels on the

side, side posts dropping below the side sheathing, many more drop doors

than a USRA car.



-John Hile




































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Re: USRA composite gondolas

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, john66h wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson
<rhendrickson@...> wrote:

No good news here, Mark. Almost all of the USRA composite gondolas
were rebuilt or scrapped by the end of WW II. Minneapolis & St.
Louis had some refurbished ex-L&N cars, some of which lasted into the
early '50s, but only one of those was still listed in the 1/53 ORER.
I can't think of any other RRs that still had them in revenue
service.
At one point I tried to find unmodified (or least modified) 40'
USRA cars still listed in the 1/53 ORER with composite sides.
Below are my notes...

ACL 99300-99443, 141 cars
GM&O 12200-12374 most w/solid floors, 170 cars
L&N 73000-74999, 19 cars
SLSF 85000-85999 solid floors?, 358 cars
You're right , John, I'd forgotten that both ACL and Frisco still had
significant numbers of original USRA gons in '53. Though I would add
that those cars were rapidly being retired by that time and were
almost entirely gone by 1/55. Also, the few that were left were
probably used only in company service and not interchanged off-line.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Old messages

Brian Carlson
 

Wow, You and Mike really threw away the keys on those messages, must have
been looking for N&W hoppers on Sherman Hill.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



Brian,

This is the reason why you don't want your messages to be Moderated: they
may wait a LONG TIME for approval.


Re: USRA composite gondolas

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Could be. I'm far from an expert on gondolas.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com




Jim,

That looks like a composite general-service gon to me...8 panels on the
side, side posts dropping below the side sheathing, many more drop doors
than a USRA car.

-John Hile


Re: USRA composite gondolas

John Hile
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:

To combine two messages, the 'old message' of the Life photo of the Rock
Island yard in 1946 includes a great photo of the interior of a RI(?) USRA
composite drop bottom gondola. It's in the foreground near the bottom center
of the picture.




Jim,

That looks like a composite general-service gon to me...8 panels on the side, side posts dropping below the side sheathing, many more drop doors than a USRA car.

-John Hile


Re: USRA composite gondolas

John Hile
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

No good news here, Mark. Almost all of the USRA composite gondolas
were rebuilt or scrapped by the end of WW II. Minneapolis & St.
Louis had some refurbished ex-L&N cars, some of which lasted into the
early '50s, but only one of those was still listed in the 1/53 ORER.
I can't think of any other RRs that still had them in revenue service.



At one point I tried to find unmodified (or least modified) 40' USRA cars still listed in the 1/53 ORER with composite sides. Below are my notes...

ACL 99300-99443, 141 cars
GM&O 12200-12374 most w/solid floors, 170 cars
L&N 73000-74999, 19 cars
SLSF 85000-85999 solid floors?, 358 cars

Additions and/or corrections are welcome.

John Hile


Re: USRA composite gondolas

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

To combine two messages, the 'old message' of the Life photo of the Rock
Island yard in 1946 includes a great photo of the interior of a RI(?) USRA
composite drop bottom gondola. It's in the foreground near the bottom center
of the picture. Here's the link.

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?
q=Locomotives+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLocomotives%2Bsource:life%
26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&imgurl=499ba83230c2fb3c

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: SANTA FE REFRIGERATOR CAR TRUCKS

John Hile
 

--- In STMFC@..., "brianleppert@..." <brianleppert@...> wrote:

If you feel that the spring plank, spring group, lateral motion device detail and centered vertical web in the bolster end are important details, then check out Tony Thompson's SP Freight Cars book, vol. 4:Box Cars on pages 211, bottom, 226 bottom, 227 top or 239 top. The truck under these cars is the next release from Tahoe Model Works. (in about two months, hopefully)




Brian,

These trucks sounds very interesting to me, however, I do not have Vol. 4 of the SP Frt Car Series. I do have Vols. 1 and 3...are the trucks featured in either of these books?

Thanks,

-John Hile


Re: Old messages

tbarney2004
 

I had about 21 old messages, dating back to January...perhaps the mods missed approving messages that got held? They didn't look like messages I had already gotten.

Tim Barney

SUVCWORR@... wrote:

Yes, I did and they included messages I posted.

Rich Orr





-----Original Message-----
From: prrk41361 <prrk41361@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 4:12 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Old messages










Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen emails with sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier today. Many were from Ed Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I am confused.

Brian Carlson



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Re: Old messages

SUVCWORR@...
 

Yes, I did and they included messages I posted.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: prrk41361 <prrk41361@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 4:12 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Old messages










Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen emails with
sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier today. Many were from Ed
Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I am confused.

Brian Carlson



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Re: freight car kit discounts

SUVCWORR@...
 

F&C routinely offers most of their cars 2 for 1 at shows except their most recent releases.

Discounts on Atlas cars depends on how much of a discount you want. Typical discounts are 15% to 20%. If you look hard enough you can find them at 30% off. You aren't
going to find them 2 for 1 unless the seller is trying to go out of
business as they will be selling at a significant loss.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: ed_mines <ed_mines@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:44 am
Subject: [STMFC] freight car kit discounts










Anyone know somewhere which discounts Atlas 1932 box cars?

Has F&C recently been offering 2 for one at shows?

Any of the other resin manufacturers having sales?

Ed



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Re: Ohio Minimum Caboose Length requirement circa 1914

water.kresse@...
 

Thank you Rich!  That implies 24 ft to outside of the end of body sill plate.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: SUVCWORR@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Ohio Minimum Caboose Length requirement circa 1914


 The Ohio Law (http://books.google.com/books?id=yLGRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA883&lpg=PA883&dq=ohio+caboose+law+1913&source=bl&ots=wIJuiabiKZ&sig=RdW1L5EJj2hBkNV0BDaJejn1rxU&hl=en&ei=72rXSt_oIcem8AbEvL3nCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CBcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=ohio%20caboose%20law%201913&f=false) required all cabooses to be at least 24 feet in length excluding any end platform and to havd 2 4 wheel trucks,

Rich Orr


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 12:16 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Ohio Minimum Caboose Length requirement circa 1914










Does anyone have the specific wording and effective date for the minimum length
of cabooses to be used in interchange service in Ohio that effectively banded
4-wheel bobbers cabeese?

Was it measured at the inside of end-ddor sill plates?

I've scaled a 17' 4" inside length of car on the C&O "new" early 1900's
cabooses.

The C&O had Road Cabooses and Conductor's cars.  I don't know for sure which wer
the 4-wheel and the 8-wheel versions.

I know we talked about this on "the old list" . . . . sorry.

Thanks,

Al Kresse



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Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?

SUVCWORR@...
 

WOW I posted this over 3 months ago and it showed up today.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: SUVCWORR@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 10:08 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?

















The RDG, LV, D&LW, CNJ, CRP, LH&R, L&NE all served anthracite mines and are
collectively referred to as the anthracite roads because nearly 100% of the coal
they hauled was anthracite.

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: Rashputin <rashputin@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 1:25 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?










Did Reading serve unique anthracite sources or would other anthracite
roads also be supplying that same need and therefore turn up far from home?







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Re: Old messages

rdietrichson
 

I just received them also, on a Roadrunner acount.
Rick Dietrichson

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeffrey White
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Old messages


I received them too, on an earthlink account.

Jeff White

Tim O'Connor wrote:
>
>
>
> Looks like a Yahoo hiccup to me -- you both have @yahoo.com email
> addresses.
>
> Tim O'Connor
>
> At 10/15/2009 05:46 PM Thursday, you wrote:
> >I received them too?
> >Mark Morgan
> >
> >--- On Thu, 10/15/09, prrk41361 <prrk41361@...
> <mailto:prrk41361%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> >From: prrk41361 <prrk41361@... <mailto:prrk41361%40yahoo.com>>
> >
> > Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen
> emails with sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier
> today. Many were from Ed Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I
> am confused.
> >Brian Carlson
>
>


Re: USRA composite gondolas

David
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
I can't think of any other RRs that still had them in revenue service.
Norfolk Southern had 44 out of 150 copies in 7/50, but they were on their way out by then.


Re: Old messages

Aley, Jeff A
 

Brian,

This is the reason why you don't want your messages to be Moderated: they may wait a LONG TIME for approval.

All of those messages were moderated, and were pending approval. I happened to notice that there were a bunch, so I waded through them and approved the on-topic messages, and deleted the rest.

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of prrk41361
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Old messages



Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen emails with sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier today. Many were from Ed Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I am confused.

Brian Carlson


Re: Tide Water tank car, TWOX 3050

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Actually, it doesn't. Fluid-tight joints must be "caulked" or "fullered" by hitting the exposed edge with a chisel to force a lip of metal into the underlying plate. The compressive load over a rivetted joint is not uniform. It is high directly under the rivet heads and can be quite low in between - it's just the nature of elastic materials (like steel).

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: William Keene

Remember, a properly
installed rivet connecting two steel plates upon cooling cinches the
plates up very tight to make a watertight seal.


Re: NYC diagram book

cinderandeight@...
 

Ed,
I believe the book you are referencing was reprinted by George R. Cockle in
1974. The original book came from Mr. Alfred Gorney. It was dated
December 31, 1938, with revisions up to June 30, 1944. It's a great resource
for researching NYC cars. I use is in conjunction with my February 1917 book
(revised to Oct. 1, 1923) to trace the history of early NYC equipment.
Rich Burg


Re: USRA composite gondolas

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:54 PM, bnonut wrote:

My earlier message about the InterMountain car was answered and now
wonder if any cars of this model ran on other roads.
Thought maybe a new paint job could get this to the fifties!
Hopeful thinking and any suggestions.
No good news here, Mark. Almost all of the USRA composite gondolas
were rebuilt or scrapped by the end of WW II. Minneapolis & St.
Louis had some refurbished ex-L&N cars, some of which lasted into the
early '50s, but only one of those was still listed in the 1/53 ORER.
I can't think of any other RRs that still had them in revenue service.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Old messages

Jeffrey White
 

I received them too, on an earthlink account.

Jeff White

Tim O'Connor wrote:



Looks like a Yahoo hiccup to me -- you both have @yahoo.com email
addresses.

Tim O'Connor

At 10/15/2009 05:46 PM Thursday, you wrote:
I received them too?
Mark Morgan

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, prrk41361 <prrk41361@...
<mailto:prrk41361%40yahoo.com>> wrote:

From: prrk41361 <prrk41361@... <mailto:prrk41361%40yahoo.com>>

Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen
emails with sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier today. Many were from Ed Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I am confused.
Brian Carlson

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