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Athearn Blue Box kits discontinued

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

From Athearn (via trainorders.com) this morning:

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Greetings,

Effective immediately, we here at Athearn have made the difficult decision to discontinue the production of our Blue Box line of kits. There were several factors that contributed to this extremely challenging decision however, the primary issue revolved around affordability and ensuring that our Blue Box kit pricing remain aligned with what the market can bear. Unfortunately, due to increased manufacturing and labor costs it has been determined that we are no longer able to continue offering kits at competitive price points as compared to our already assembled products.

For over 50 years the Athearn Blue Box kits have been sold worldwide, bringing happiness, joy and excitement to thousands of model railroad enthusiasts. Your passion for these products has allowed us to thrive and grow into the industry leader you still support today, and for that we are eternally grateful. Moving forward this will allow us to dedicate more resources to new and exciting projects in our Ready To Roll, Genesis and Roundhouse lines for another 50 years, or more.

We will continue to support all service and warranty needs on Blue Box kits from our headquarters in Long Beach, California. You can find our contact information here.

The Folks at Athearn

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Tom Madden


Re: SANTA FE REFRIGERATOR CAR TRUCKS

John Hile
 

--- In STMFC@..., "brianleppert@..." <brianleppert@...> wrote:

In vol.1 on gondolas, see page 97 bottom. Its the right hand truck under the G-50-10. The truck on the left has the same sideframe but an older bolster.

Very similar trucks were made for SP in the late 20s for their F-50-12 flatcars--see vol.3, page 220.






Brian,

Based on the photos above, I'd say your new truck looks like a great option for my Rr-5-9, -11 SFRD reefers...perhaps some of my ATSF stock cars and tanks too. Thanks very much for doing this truck!

-John Hile


Re: Drilling underframes

frograbbit602
 

Chuck,

No right angle drills needed. Just long drill bits ( 4 1/2 inches long ) made out of .020" music ( piano ) wire or larger. The music wire is sharpened via grinding at one end creating a point or flat surface to do the drilling. ( old woodwooding working trick ) Chuck the music wire bit in a variable speed Dremel and on the lowest speed possible drill the holes needed. I drill all holes for the train line with this type of homemade drill bit. SAFETY CAUTION --- You need to hold the music wire flat ( keep the wire bit straight ) when first starting the Dremel tool or the wire will bend at the collet and will spin in large circle causing possible damage to your hand or model.

Lester Breuer

--- In STMFC@..., RUTLANDRS@... wrote:

All,
Now that we've all voiced our opinions on how to clamp resin kits, how
does one drill through the center frame and crossmembers to put the brake
rigging on? I can't find any small (enough) right angle drills.
Thanks in advance,
Chuck Hladik
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Re: SANTA FE REFRIGERATOR CAR TRUCKS

brianleppert@att.net
 

--- In STMFC@..., "john66h" <john66h@...> wrote:
These trucks sounds very interesting to me, however, I do not have Vol. 4 of the SP Frt Car Series. I do have Vols. 1 and 3...are the trucks featured in either of these books?

Thanks,

-John Hile
John,

In vol.1 on gondolas, see page 97 bottom. Its the right hand truck under the G-50-10. The truck on the left has the same sideframe but an older bolster.

The prototypes I'm working from were replacement trucks for older Bettendorf T-section and maybe Vulcan trucks, using new sideframes but keeping as much as possible of the old truck parts (bolster, Barber Lateral Motion Device, springs, spring plank, etc.) One real truck I've looked at is at the Western Pacific RR Museum in Portola, CA, and has sideframes cast in 1942 for Union Pacific. Closer to home at the Nevada State RR Museum here in Carson City are a pair of Southern Pacific trucks, whose sideframes were cast in 1948 or '49. All these sideframes are almost totally identical.

Very similar trucks were made for SP in the late 20s for their F-50-12 flatcars--see vol.3, page 220.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: freight car kit discounts

Andrew Miller <aslmmiller@...>
 

As far as I know F&C always offers 2 for 1 at show and by mail throught their flyer.

regards,

Andy Miller (who will be running F&C PRR MP54s at the North Shore Model RR Club Open house this week end)

----- Original Message -----
From: ed_mines
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:44 PM
Subject: [STMFC] freight car kit discounts


Anyone know somewhere which discounts Atlas 1932 box cars?

Has F&C recently been offering 2 for one at shows?

Any of the other resin manufacturers having sales?

Ed


Re: Fashion Cotastrophe/Anxiety

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Bill Welch notes:

My suffering is only heightened by the fact that my long time
favorite baseball team, the LA Dodgers are in the playoffs and the
Phillies are very tough. I am hoping for a first ever "Freeway Series."
Dodgers? Good grief. No, no, this does not mean that baseball is an approved subject for the STMFC.

Thanks for listening to my anguish. (Now I am worried about being in
Mike Brock's doghouse.)
The only real problem you and perhaps John Stokes and Joel Norman might have...not to mention the hundreds of innocent attendees at Cocoa Beach...is that Prototype Rails has been considering coming up with a lettered shirt for the 2010. The good news is that at the rate of our progress, it will be properly lettered for the 2020 meet.

But...regardless...for whatever reasons, the generation of a shirt or hat carries with it a tradition sometimes which associates with an important event...like perhaps Dow 10,000. Certainly the Friends of the Freight Car dinner is one, it being synonymous with the development of RPM meets including Naperville and Prototype Rails.

Mike Brock


Re: USRA composite gondolas

Mark
 

Thank You for all of the replies: Bill, Richard, John and Jim.
Sincerely, Mark Morgan

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:

From: Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: USRA composite gondolas
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 10:02 PM













 





Could be. I'm far from an expert on gondolas.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon

www.sunshinekits. com



Jim,



That looks like a composite general-service gon to me...8 panels on the

side, side posts dropping below the side sheathing, many more drop doors

than a USRA car.



-John Hile




































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Re: USRA composite gondolas

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, john66h wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson
<rhendrickson@...> wrote:

No good news here, Mark. Almost all of the USRA composite gondolas
were rebuilt or scrapped by the end of WW II. Minneapolis & St.
Louis had some refurbished ex-L&N cars, some of which lasted into the
early '50s, but only one of those was still listed in the 1/53 ORER.
I can't think of any other RRs that still had them in revenue
service.
At one point I tried to find unmodified (or least modified) 40'
USRA cars still listed in the 1/53 ORER with composite sides.
Below are my notes...

ACL 99300-99443, 141 cars
GM&O 12200-12374 most w/solid floors, 170 cars
L&N 73000-74999, 19 cars
SLSF 85000-85999 solid floors?, 358 cars
You're right , John, I'd forgotten that both ACL and Frisco still had
significant numbers of original USRA gons in '53. Though I would add
that those cars were rapidly being retired by that time and were
almost entirely gone by 1/55. Also, the few that were left were
probably used only in company service and not interchanged off-line.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Old messages

Brian Carlson
 

Wow, You and Mike really threw away the keys on those messages, must have
been looking for N&W hoppers on Sherman Hill.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



Brian,

This is the reason why you don't want your messages to be Moderated: they
may wait a LONG TIME for approval.


Re: USRA composite gondolas

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Could be. I'm far from an expert on gondolas.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com




Jim,

That looks like a composite general-service gon to me...8 panels on the
side, side posts dropping below the side sheathing, many more drop doors
than a USRA car.

-John Hile


Re: USRA composite gondolas

John Hile
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:

To combine two messages, the 'old message' of the Life photo of the Rock
Island yard in 1946 includes a great photo of the interior of a RI(?) USRA
composite drop bottom gondola. It's in the foreground near the bottom center
of the picture.




Jim,

That looks like a composite general-service gon to me...8 panels on the side, side posts dropping below the side sheathing, many more drop doors than a USRA car.

-John Hile


Re: USRA composite gondolas

John Hile
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

No good news here, Mark. Almost all of the USRA composite gondolas
were rebuilt or scrapped by the end of WW II. Minneapolis & St.
Louis had some refurbished ex-L&N cars, some of which lasted into the
early '50s, but only one of those was still listed in the 1/53 ORER.
I can't think of any other RRs that still had them in revenue service.



At one point I tried to find unmodified (or least modified) 40' USRA cars still listed in the 1/53 ORER with composite sides. Below are my notes...

ACL 99300-99443, 141 cars
GM&O 12200-12374 most w/solid floors, 170 cars
L&N 73000-74999, 19 cars
SLSF 85000-85999 solid floors?, 358 cars

Additions and/or corrections are welcome.

John Hile


Re: USRA composite gondolas

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

To combine two messages, the 'old message' of the Life photo of the Rock
Island yard in 1946 includes a great photo of the interior of a RI(?) USRA
composite drop bottom gondola. It's in the foreground near the bottom center
of the picture. Here's the link.

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?
q=Locomotives+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLocomotives%2Bsource:life%
26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&imgurl=499ba83230c2fb3c

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: SANTA FE REFRIGERATOR CAR TRUCKS

John Hile
 

--- In STMFC@..., "brianleppert@..." <brianleppert@...> wrote:

If you feel that the spring plank, spring group, lateral motion device detail and centered vertical web in the bolster end are important details, then check out Tony Thompson's SP Freight Cars book, vol. 4:Box Cars on pages 211, bottom, 226 bottom, 227 top or 239 top. The truck under these cars is the next release from Tahoe Model Works. (in about two months, hopefully)




Brian,

These trucks sounds very interesting to me, however, I do not have Vol. 4 of the SP Frt Car Series. I do have Vols. 1 and 3...are the trucks featured in either of these books?

Thanks,

-John Hile


Re: Old messages

tbarney2004
 

I had about 21 old messages, dating back to January...perhaps the mods missed approving messages that got held? They didn't look like messages I had already gotten.

Tim Barney

SUVCWORR@... wrote:

Yes, I did and they included messages I posted.

Rich Orr





-----Original Message-----
From: prrk41361 <prrk41361@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 4:12 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Old messages










Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen emails with sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier today. Many were from Ed Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I am confused.

Brian Carlson



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Re: Old messages

SUVCWORR@...
 

Yes, I did and they included messages I posted.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: prrk41361 <prrk41361@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 4:12 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Old messages










Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen emails with
sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier today. Many were from Ed
Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I am confused.

Brian Carlson



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Re: freight car kit discounts

SUVCWORR@...
 

F&C routinely offers most of their cars 2 for 1 at shows except their most recent releases.

Discounts on Atlas cars depends on how much of a discount you want. Typical discounts are 15% to 20%. If you look hard enough you can find them at 30% off. You aren't
going to find them 2 for 1 unless the seller is trying to go out of
business as they will be selling at a significant loss.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: ed_mines <ed_mines@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:44 am
Subject: [STMFC] freight car kit discounts










Anyone know somewhere which discounts Atlas 1932 box cars?

Has F&C recently been offering 2 for one at shows?

Any of the other resin manufacturers having sales?

Ed



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Re: Ohio Minimum Caboose Length requirement circa 1914

water.kresse@...
 

Thank you Rich!  That implies 24 ft to outside of the end of body sill plate.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: SUVCWORR@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Ohio Minimum Caboose Length requirement circa 1914


 The Ohio Law (http://books.google.com/books?id=yLGRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA883&lpg=PA883&dq=ohio+caboose+law+1913&source=bl&ots=wIJuiabiKZ&sig=RdW1L5EJj2hBkNV0BDaJejn1rxU&hl=en&ei=72rXSt_oIcem8AbEvL3nCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CBcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=ohio%20caboose%20law%201913&f=false) required all cabooses to be at least 24 feet in length excluding any end platform and to havd 2 4 wheel trucks,

Rich Orr


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 12:16 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Ohio Minimum Caboose Length requirement circa 1914










Does anyone have the specific wording and effective date for the minimum length
of cabooses to be used in interchange service in Ohio that effectively banded
4-wheel bobbers cabeese?

Was it measured at the inside of end-ddor sill plates?

I've scaled a 17' 4" inside length of car on the C&O "new" early 1900's
cabooses.

The C&O had Road Cabooses and Conductor's cars.  I don't know for sure which wer
the 4-wheel and the 8-wheel versions.

I know we talked about this on "the old list" . . . . sorry.

Thanks,

Al Kresse



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Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?

SUVCWORR@...
 

WOW I posted this over 3 months ago and it showed up today.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: SUVCWORR@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 10:08 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?

















The RDG, LV, D&LW, CNJ, CRP, LH&R, L&NE all served anthracite mines and are
collectively referred to as the anthracite roads because nearly 100% of the coal
they hauled was anthracite.

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: Rashputin <rashputin@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 1:25 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Why so little discussion on coal car models?










Did Reading serve unique anthracite sources or would other anthracite
roads also be supplying that same need and therefore turn up far from home?







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Re: Old messages

rdietrichson
 

I just received them also, on a Roadrunner acount.
Rick Dietrichson

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeffrey White
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Old messages


I received them too, on an earthlink account.

Jeff White

Tim O'Connor wrote:
>
>
>
> Looks like a Yahoo hiccup to me -- you both have @yahoo.com email
> addresses.
>
> Tim O'Connor
>
> At 10/15/2009 05:46 PM Thursday, you wrote:
> >I received them too?
> >Mark Morgan
> >
> >--- On Thu, 10/15/09, prrk41361 <prrk41361@...
> <mailto:prrk41361%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> >From: prrk41361 <prrk41361@... <mailto:prrk41361%40yahoo.com>>
> >
> > Did anyone else getting individual messages get hit with a few dozen
> emails with sent dates from August 2009 back to March 2009 earlier
> today. Many were from Ed Mines, Lawerance Baggerly and a few others. I
> am confused.
> >Brian Carlson
>
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