Date   

Re: USRA composite gondolas

Mark
 

Thank You, Bob!Mark Morgan

--- On Fri, 10/16/09, rwitt_2000 <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:

From: rwitt_2000 <rwitt_2000@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: USRA composite gondolas
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 10:25 PM













 





I have posted a copy of that photo, which I "ripped" from the internet,

in the Photos Section in a folder titled "USRA".



I recall, I posted it the last time we had this discussion in the

STMFPH· Steam Era Frt Car Group Photos in a folder titled "Gondolas".



The photo is of SL-SF 85954, USRA gondola, still with is original wood

sides, which I am sure is the same photo that Tim has.



Bob Witt



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@ ...> wrote:

SLSF 85954 was still in revenue service in 1958 - I have a shot
of the car loaded with pipe. One plank had been removed to make
an open slot below the top of the side.
Tim O'Connor
At one point I tried to find unmodified (or least modified) 40' USRA
cars still listed in the 1/53 ORER with composite sides. Below are
my

notes...
ACL 99300-99443, 141 cars
GM&O 12200-12374 most w/solid floors, 170 cars
L&N 73000-74999, 19 cars
SLSF 85000-85999 solid floors?, 358 cars
Additions and/or corrections are welcome.
John Hile


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: WrightTRAK Products

seaboard_1966
 

WE sure hope to.

DB

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] WrightTRAK Products



You bringin' any SP cabooses? :-)


At 10/16/2009 07:48 PM Friday, you wrote:
Well guys, we are just a couple of weeks away from the Naperville Show. WrightTRAK will be attending for the 3rd year.

Please visit our website at www.wrighttrak.com and if there is anything that you would like to purchase please let me know. We will be certain to bring it with us and deliver it at the show.

We have decided to do sales prior to show out of our suite as several others do. So, be sure to stop by for a visit.

Denis Blake


------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2440 - Release Date: 10/16/09 06:32:00


Re: WrightTRAK Products

Tim O'Connor
 

You bringin' any SP cabooses? :-)

At 10/16/2009 07:48 PM Friday, you wrote:
Well guys, we are just a couple of weeks away from the Naperville Show. WrightTRAK will be attending for the 3rd year.

Please visit our website at www.wrighttrak.com and if there is anything that you would like to purchase please let me know. We will be certain to bring it with us and deliver it at the show.

We have decided to do sales prior to show out of our suite as several others do. So, be sure to stop by for a visit.

Denis Blake


Re: Drilling underframes

Tim O'Connor
 

On a prefab underframe found in most plastic kits (where the
crossbearers are part of the casting) if I really want to run
an airline I just flip it over and cut U-shape chunks out of the
crossbearers and place the airline through those. This is actually
done for you on a couple of brands of freight car kits, so it's
not an original idea. Once you flip the underframe over and
attach it to the freight car floor, you really can't tell (from
a casual glance) that the airline is not threaded through holes.
And it's a heck of a lot easier than trying to drill a bunch of
holes in a perfectly straight line through a bunch of crossbearers.

Tim O'Connor

At 10/16/2009 10:15 AM Friday, you wrote:
Chuck,

No right angle drills needed. Just long drill bits ( 4 1/2 inches long ) made out of .020" music ( piano ) wire or larger. The music wire is sharpened via grinding at one end creating a point or flat surface to do the drilling. ( old woodwooding working trick ) Chuck the music wire bit in a variable speed Dremel and on the lowest speed possible drill the holes needed. I drill all holes for the train line with this type of homemade drill bit. SAFETY CAUTION --- You need to hold the music wire flat ( keep the wire bit straight ) when first starting the Dremel tool or the wire will bend at the collet and will spin in large circle causing possible damage to your hand or model.

Lester Breuer


Re: USRA composite gondolas

rwitt_2000
 

I have posted a copy of that photo, which I "ripped" from the internet,
in the Photos Section in a folder titled "USRA".

I recall, I posted it the last time we had this discussion in the
STMFPH· Steam Era Frt Car Group Photos in a folder titled "Gondolas".

The photo is of SL-SF 85954, USRA gondola, still with is original wood
sides, which I am sure is the same photo that Tim has.

Bob Witt



--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


SLSF 85954 was still in revenue service in 1958 - I have a shot
of the car loaded with pipe. One plank had been removed to make
an open slot below the top of the side.

Tim O'Connor


At one point I tried to find unmodified (or least modified) 40' USRA
cars still listed in the 1/53 ORER with composite sides. Below are
my
notes...

ACL 99300-99443, 141 cars
GM&O 12200-12374 most w/solid floors, 170 cars
L&N 73000-74999, 19 cars
SLSF 85000-85999 solid floors?, 358 cars

Additions and/or corrections are welcome.

John Hile


WrightTRAK Products

seaboard_1966
 

Well guys, we are just a couple of weeks away from the Naperville Show. WrightTRAK will be attending for the 3rd year.

Please visit our website at www.wrighttrak.com and if there is anything that you would like to purchase please let me know. We will be certain to bring it with us and deliver it at the show.

We have decided to do sales prior to show out of our suite as several others do. So, be sure to stop by for a visit.

Denis Blake


Re: USRA composite gondolas

Mark
 

Have any idea on what end that car had, Tim.
Mark Morgan

--- On Fri, 10/16/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: USRA composite gondolas
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 2:28 PM













 







SLSF 85954 was still in revenue service in 1958 - I have a shot

of the car loaded with pipe. One plank had been removed to make

an open slot below the top of the side.



Tim O'Connor



At one point I tried to find unmodified (or least modified) 40' USRA
cars still listed in the 1/53 ORER with composite sides. Below are my
notes...
ACL 99300-99443, 141 cars
GM&O 12200-12374 most w/solid floors, 170 cars
L&N 73000-74999, 19 cars
SLSF 85000-85999 solid floors?, 358 cars
Additions and/or corrections are welcome.
John Hile



































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: freight car kit discounts

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

Ed,



I got my Atlas 1932 Box Cars from Al D'Elia at Eastern Classic RR for $22
just a month or so ago. I believe the MSRP is $32.95 on these? IF so, the
discount is 33%.



His email is: ecmr2@...



Phone: (877) 250-1833



I have been buying from Al through the mail for over 10 years and find him
to be an honest man.



And as is the case with most discounters who are not a "brick-and-mortar"
shop, forget about anything coming out of Horizon Hobbies being discounted
which includes Athearn and now Proto2000 or Walthers products.



Allen Cain


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol. 19

Mansell Peter Hambly
 

Mr. Hawkins:

I've just returned from purchasing a postal money order in the amount of $41.37 in US$'s for Volume 19. The additional $11.58 are for two previous orders that did not include enough for postage to Canada. Thank you.

Mansell

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@...>
To: "STMFC Discussion Group" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol. 19


STMFC Group,
The RP CYC Publishing Company is pleased to announce the imminent
release of RAILWAY PROTOTYPE CYCLOPEDIA, Volume 19, scheduled for
distribution beginning in the last week of October 2009. Volume 19
contains much useful prototype and scale modeling information: 149
black & white and color photographs, 31 diagrams, and 4 tables for a
total of 113 pages comprising three in-depth articles on the following
subjects:

1. Emergency Composite Box Cars by Patrick C. Wider (50 pages). The
article is the fourth in a series that cover American box car designs
that were built in large quantities during the first half of the 20th
Century. The author covers the single-sheathed and plywood-sheathed 40'
and 50' emergency box cars constructed during World War II following
restrictions imposed by the War Production Board.

2. Erie 40-Ton Express Milk Cars by Patrick C. Wider (10 pages). The
author describes and illustrates the unique Erie express milk cars
built during the 1930s by the Greenville Steel Car Company. Also
discussed and illustrated are some of the cars converted for express
baggage service.

3. The Family of All-Welded 70-Ton 52'-6" Drop-End Gondola Cars Based
on PRR's Class G31 by Ed Hawkins (53 pages). The article covers an
interesting group of subject cars first built by the Pennsylvania
Railroad (Class G31) in 1948-1950, followed in the 1950s with
derivatives built by American Car & Foundry and Pullman-Standard for
Pennsy, Atlantic Coast Line, Birmingham Southern, Delaware & Hudson,
Delaware, Lackawanna & Western, Southern Pacific, Wabash, Sacramento
Northern, and Western Pacific.

We appreciate your support and extend to you a pre-publication offer
for Volume 19. The normal retail price for Volume 19 is $29.95.
However, your cost is only $24.00 (postpaid to addresses in the U.S.) -
a 20-percent discount. But here's the catch! Your payment must be
postmarked by October 24, 2009 for this offer to be valid. Mail orders
with postmarks after this date will not be honored.

To take advantage of this one-time, pre-publication offer for RP CYC
Volume 19, please send a check or money order in the amount of $24.00
by October 24, 2009 to:

RP CYC Publishing Co.
P.O. Box 451
Chesterfield, MO 63006-0451

Missouri residents must add $1.85 state & local sales tax ($25.85 total
amount).

For single book orders to Canada, please add $5.79, and for single book
orders to all other countries please add $12.28 (Air Mail).

Internet users: Please visit our new web site address:
http://www.rpcycpub.com. A flyer with summary information in PDF format
can be downloaded at: http://www.rpcycpub.com/v19_flyer.pdf

For those attending the Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, if you
wish to have your book delivered at the meet, please indicate. We
encourage this option.

Please contact me off-list if you have any difficulties downloading the
PDF or require additional information. We thank you!
Regards,
Ed Hawkins & Pat Wider





------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: USRA composite gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 

SLSF 85954 was still in revenue service in 1958 - I have a shot
of the car loaded with pipe. One plank had been removed to make
an open slot below the top of the side.

Tim O'Connor

At one point I tried to find unmodified (or least modified) 40' USRA
cars still listed in the 1/53 ORER with composite sides. Below are my
notes...

ACL 99300-99443, 141 cars
GM&O 12200-12374 most w/solid floors, 170 cars
L&N 73000-74999, 19 cars
SLSF 85000-85999 solid floors?, 358 cars

Additions and/or corrections are welcome.

John Hile


Re: Drilling underframes

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Take a look at www.modelexpo-online.com/product.asp?ITEMNO=KTD04C. Model Expo is offering a set of 1-7/8-inch-long number drill bits in even-numbered sizes from 52-74. I haven't purchased these myself, yet, but they look like they could be useful for drilling horizontally through HO underframes.

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@...
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Athearn Blue Box kits discontinued

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

From Athearn (via trainorders.com) this morning:

BEGIN QUOTE

Greetings,

Effective immediately, we here at Athearn have made the difficult decision to discontinue the production of our Blue Box line of kits. There were several factors that contributed to this extremely challenging decision however, the primary issue revolved around affordability and ensuring that our Blue Box kit pricing remain aligned with what the market can bear. Unfortunately, due to increased manufacturing and labor costs it has been determined that we are no longer able to continue offering kits at competitive price points as compared to our already assembled products.

For over 50 years the Athearn Blue Box kits have been sold worldwide, bringing happiness, joy and excitement to thousands of model railroad enthusiasts. Your passion for these products has allowed us to thrive and grow into the industry leader you still support today, and for that we are eternally grateful. Moving forward this will allow us to dedicate more resources to new and exciting projects in our Ready To Roll, Genesis and Roundhouse lines for another 50 years, or more.

We will continue to support all service and warranty needs on Blue Box kits from our headquarters in Long Beach, California. You can find our contact information here.

The Folks at Athearn

END QUOTE

Tom Madden


Re: SANTA FE REFRIGERATOR CAR TRUCKS

John Hile
 

--- In STMFC@..., "brianleppert@..." <brianleppert@...> wrote:

In vol.1 on gondolas, see page 97 bottom. Its the right hand truck under the G-50-10. The truck on the left has the same sideframe but an older bolster.

Very similar trucks were made for SP in the late 20s for their F-50-12 flatcars--see vol.3, page 220.






Brian,

Based on the photos above, I'd say your new truck looks like a great option for my Rr-5-9, -11 SFRD reefers...perhaps some of my ATSF stock cars and tanks too. Thanks very much for doing this truck!

-John Hile


Re: Drilling underframes

frograbbit602
 

Chuck,

No right angle drills needed. Just long drill bits ( 4 1/2 inches long ) made out of .020" music ( piano ) wire or larger. The music wire is sharpened via grinding at one end creating a point or flat surface to do the drilling. ( old woodwooding working trick ) Chuck the music wire bit in a variable speed Dremel and on the lowest speed possible drill the holes needed. I drill all holes for the train line with this type of homemade drill bit. SAFETY CAUTION --- You need to hold the music wire flat ( keep the wire bit straight ) when first starting the Dremel tool or the wire will bend at the collet and will spin in large circle causing possible damage to your hand or model.

Lester Breuer

--- In STMFC@..., RUTLANDRS@... wrote:

All,
Now that we've all voiced our opinions on how to clamp resin kits, how
does one drill through the center frame and crossmembers to put the brake
rigging on? I can't find any small (enough) right angle drills.
Thanks in advance,
Chuck Hladik
**************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: SANTA FE REFRIGERATOR CAR TRUCKS

brianleppert@att.net
 

--- In STMFC@..., "john66h" <john66h@...> wrote:
These trucks sounds very interesting to me, however, I do not have Vol. 4 of the SP Frt Car Series. I do have Vols. 1 and 3...are the trucks featured in either of these books?

Thanks,

-John Hile
John,

In vol.1 on gondolas, see page 97 bottom. Its the right hand truck under the G-50-10. The truck on the left has the same sideframe but an older bolster.

The prototypes I'm working from were replacement trucks for older Bettendorf T-section and maybe Vulcan trucks, using new sideframes but keeping as much as possible of the old truck parts (bolster, Barber Lateral Motion Device, springs, spring plank, etc.) One real truck I've looked at is at the Western Pacific RR Museum in Portola, CA, and has sideframes cast in 1942 for Union Pacific. Closer to home at the Nevada State RR Museum here in Carson City are a pair of Southern Pacific trucks, whose sideframes were cast in 1948 or '49. All these sideframes are almost totally identical.

Very similar trucks were made for SP in the late 20s for their F-50-12 flatcars--see vol.3, page 220.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: freight car kit discounts

Andrew Miller <aslmmiller@...>
 

As far as I know F&C always offers 2 for 1 at show and by mail throught their flyer.

regards,

Andy Miller (who will be running F&C PRR MP54s at the North Shore Model RR Club Open house this week end)

----- Original Message -----
From: ed_mines
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:44 PM
Subject: [STMFC] freight car kit discounts


Anyone know somewhere which discounts Atlas 1932 box cars?

Has F&C recently been offering 2 for one at shows?

Any of the other resin manufacturers having sales?

Ed


Re: Fashion Cotastrophe/Anxiety

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Bill Welch notes:

My suffering is only heightened by the fact that my long time
favorite baseball team, the LA Dodgers are in the playoffs and the
Phillies are very tough. I am hoping for a first ever "Freeway Series."
Dodgers? Good grief. No, no, this does not mean that baseball is an approved subject for the STMFC.

Thanks for listening to my anguish. (Now I am worried about being in
Mike Brock's doghouse.)
The only real problem you and perhaps John Stokes and Joel Norman might have...not to mention the hundreds of innocent attendees at Cocoa Beach...is that Prototype Rails has been considering coming up with a lettered shirt for the 2010. The good news is that at the rate of our progress, it will be properly lettered for the 2020 meet.

But...regardless...for whatever reasons, the generation of a shirt or hat carries with it a tradition sometimes which associates with an important event...like perhaps Dow 10,000. Certainly the Friends of the Freight Car dinner is one, it being synonymous with the development of RPM meets including Naperville and Prototype Rails.

Mike Brock


Re: USRA composite gondolas

Mark
 

Thank You for all of the replies: Bill, Richard, John and Jim.
Sincerely, Mark Morgan

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:

From: Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: USRA composite gondolas
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 10:02 PM













 





Could be. I'm far from an expert on gondolas.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon

www.sunshinekits. com



Jim,



That looks like a composite general-service gon to me...8 panels on the

side, side posts dropping below the side sheathing, many more drop doors

than a USRA car.



-John Hile




































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: USRA composite gondolas

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, john66h wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson
<rhendrickson@...> wrote:

No good news here, Mark. Almost all of the USRA composite gondolas
were rebuilt or scrapped by the end of WW II. Minneapolis & St.
Louis had some refurbished ex-L&N cars, some of which lasted into the
early '50s, but only one of those was still listed in the 1/53 ORER.
I can't think of any other RRs that still had them in revenue
service.
At one point I tried to find unmodified (or least modified) 40'
USRA cars still listed in the 1/53 ORER with composite sides.
Below are my notes...

ACL 99300-99443, 141 cars
GM&O 12200-12374 most w/solid floors, 170 cars
L&N 73000-74999, 19 cars
SLSF 85000-85999 solid floors?, 358 cars
You're right , John, I'd forgotten that both ACL and Frisco still had
significant numbers of original USRA gons in '53. Though I would add
that those cars were rapidly being retired by that time and were
almost entirely gone by 1/55. Also, the few that were left were
probably used only in company service and not interchanged off-line.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Old messages

Brian Carlson
 

Wow, You and Mike really threw away the keys on those messages, must have
been looking for N&W hoppers on Sherman Hill.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



Brian,

This is the reason why you don't want your messages to be Moderated: they
may wait a LONG TIME for approval.

108041 - 108060 of 193499