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Re: Missing Links

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill Welch wrote

Someone offer photo-etched dome platforms for the ACF Type 27 8K and
decals for the cars with these platforms.
Sounds like a great idea for a mini-kit Bill! (Several,
if the platforms come in different styles.)

How about a mini-kit to build a replace underframe (with
open grid walks) for the ATLAS 11k hi pressure tank car?

Tim O'Connor


Re: Wine Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 26, 2009, at 6:05 PM, <steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I forgot you can't include attachments.
What is this
http://www.trainweb.org/jssand/016Web.jpg
Steve, that is a UTL Van Dyke tank (note the heavy bottom sheet with
the stub center sills and draft gear pockets still attached) that had
been converted to a three compartment car, as attested by the smaller
end domes compared to the center dome.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: Wine Tank Cars

Bruce Smith
 

<steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net> 10/26/09 8:05 PM >>>
I forgot you can't include attachments.
What is this
http://www.trainweb.org/jssand/016Web.jpg

Steve,

Given the reinforced bottom sheet that sticks out beyond the end, and
the hardware for the draft gear and truck bolsters, that looks like a
UTL "Van Dyke" (Type V). It was clearly a single dome car that has been
modified by the addition of 2 more domes. Very cool!

Regards
Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL


Central of Georgia Ventilated Cars are available!

Bill Welch
 

Paul Bob, Rich:

Thanks guys, you were totally correct. I called Allen Tuten and he is bringing a supply of both roof types. This announcment was posted while I was in the midst of moving. Allen is aware that the kits are not on the CGHS website and sounded quit frustrated by several issues regarding the site.

Bill Welch


Re: Missing links

Greg Martin
 

Yea, Mike you're right not the middle of nowhere but you can see it from
there...<grin> and a Big Yellow Train train traversing it... nowhere that
is...

Greg Martin

In a message dated 10/26/2009 7:28:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
brockm@brevard.net writes:

In the "middle of nowhere"? Wyoming? I beg your pardon, sir. If you are
referring to certain tracks in Southeastern Wyoming, you are referring to
railroad Mecca....hardly in the "middle of nowhere."

Mike Brock


Re: Wine Tank Cars

Rod Miller
 

I'll look forward to that issue even more than usual!

Thank you Richard.

Rod

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

On Oct 26, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Rod Miller wrote:
Directly behind the loco are at least two (the center two) wine tank
cars. It isn't possible to see if the first car has additional
domes. I suspect all four are a block of wine cars.
There were single-dome wine cars as well as multiple-dome cars.

If someone knows where I can find out more about wine transport by
rail (beyond Jim Lancaster's Chateau
Martin site and what has been discussed here previously), I'd
appreciate them letting me know.
Richard Hendrickson may want to chime in here--because I
know he's preparing to give a clinic at Naperville ENTIRELY about wine
tank cars, and a written version of it will be published in due course.
Correct. My clinic on wine tank cars has more than fifty photos of such cars. In fact, the opening photo is the one Rod cites of the SP yard at Fresno, where I count about forty wine tank cars in that one view. After I present the clinic at Naperville and then again at Cocoa Beach, all of the photos and an expanded version of the text in the handout will go to Ed and Pat at RPC for a future edition of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia.
Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Help needed - ATSF stock car paint scheme

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:33 AM, peteraue wrote:

I am currently building a bunch of ATSF stock cars from
Westerfield, Sunshine and InterMountain kits as they would have
looked in 1950. I wonder about the color of the roof. Normal ATSF
freight car roof color 1931-1951 was Anti-Slip Black however
Richard Hendrickson wrote in his Santa Fe Painting & Lettering
Guide: "The available evidence indicates that this compound (Anti-
Slip Black) was inconsistently applied to stock cars, some of which
had brown roofs!"
The color photo of the Sk-3 on the front cover of Ellington, Berry
and Marten's Stock Car Book shows a brown roof and galvanized
running boards so this was definitely the original paint scheme
when the car was rebuilt in 1947. I found no clear evidence of any
black roofs when I looked through the black & white pictures in the
above book, though I realize that this is a very questionable
judgement. I'd hate to paint the cars wrong so I would greatly
appreciate advise about the roof color of the following stock car
classes in 1950:
SK-L/N/P/Q/R/S/T/U/Z Sk-2 and Sk-3
I can validate what has been said by Andy and others who responded on
this subject. I have in the neighborhood of 300 photos of Santa Fe
stock cars dating from the teens through the 1960s, and of those
there are exactly three b/w photos from the 1940s/'50s where I'm
pretty sure the roofs were black. The color shots I have all date
from the '60s, and they show no black roofs. My best guess is that
one or two shops may have applied black roof paint when repainting
cars in the 1940s, but that it was certainly far from common practice.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Wine Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 26, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Rod Miller wrote:
Directly behind the loco are at least two (the center two) wine tank
cars. It isn't possible to see if the first car has additional
domes. I suspect all four are a block of wine cars.
There were single-dome wine cars as well as multiple-dome
cars.

If someone knows where I can find out more about wine transport by
rail (beyond Jim Lancaster's Chateau
Martin site and what has been discussed here previously), I'd
appreciate them letting me know.
Richard Hendrickson may want to chime in here--because I
know he's preparing to give a clinic at Naperville ENTIRELY about wine
tank cars, and a written version of it will be published in due
course.
Correct. My clinic on wine tank cars has more than fifty photos of
such cars. In fact, the opening photo is the one Rod cites of the SP
yard at Fresno, where I count about forty wine tank cars in that one
view. After I present the clinic at Naperville and then again at
Cocoa Beach, all of the photos and an expanded version of the text in
the handout will go to Ed and Pat at RPC for a future edition of
Railway Prototype Cyclopedia.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Wanted: CofG ventilater kit

SUVCWORR@...
 

The two roof versions on the recent run are "as built Murphy X-1A" and "Murphy Flexible." Neither is currently listed on the Central of Georgia Railroad Historical Society site.

Rich Orr

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Bill,

The Cof G society recently re-ran this kit with hutchins roof. if Alan is going
to be at Naperville he may still have some for sale.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, Ca


-----Original Message-----
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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 10:31 am
Subject: [STMFC] Wanted: CofG ventilater kit






Because the HO kit of the Central of Georgia ventilator had an Outside Metal
Roof instead of the improved cars with the Hutchins like roof, I passed on
buying one as I could not imagine how to create a Hutchins roof for the car. Now
I have figured it out and the kits have disappeared. I am curious if anyones
knows where there is a kit that needs a good home?

You can contact me offline at fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com

Bill Welch











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Re: Wine Tank Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Sandifer wrote:
What is this
http://www.trainweb.org/jssand/016Web.jpg
It's a three-dome tank car, but the rolling qualities look like they would be really terrible <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Proto 2000 8K tanks cars - are arch bars possible?

Brian Carlson
 

One additional point, the SUN OILS car on page 101 of Kaminski's book is a
10k car (should have noted that) The reporting marks are DR&U RR, Delaware
River and Union RR built 1923. I have no idea how long the DR&U reporting
marks lasted.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dean
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 7:13 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Proto 2000 8K tanks cars - are arch bars possible?





The only 10K type 21 car I have is SUN OILS! And... it's already built! (One
of Life's Little Victories) I'll have to make the truck swap pronto! I'll
also need to backdate to K brakes, so I'm not done yet... Then I can think
about starting on the UTLX cars.
Thanks!

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Brian J
Carlson" <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Dean: Kaminski's ACF tank car book shows numerous ACF Type 21's on
archbars.
One model that I know P2k did was SUN OILS. However, I believe the UTLX
cars
were acquired second hand when UTLX purchased other fleets, later in life
so
I don't know if they would still have had arch bars then. Heck the UTLX
car
you have could actually be out of your era since you model pre-40. I am
sure
Richard Hendrickson will have more information.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



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Of Dean
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Subject: [STMFC] Proto 2000 8K tanks cars - are arch bars possible?





I have a couple of P2K tank cars (8,000 gallons) to build, and was
thinking
they might be a good way to show off the Tahoe arch bar trucks, with
semi-scale wheels. These are in the UTLX 77,000-series, but they say
"built
5-20", so I don't know whether they were built with arch bars or had cast
sideframe trucks. If not, would any other commonly available tank cars
have
been delivered with arch bars? I model prior to the 1940 arch bar ban, of
course.

Dean Payne







Re: Wine Tank Cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

I forgot you can't include attachments.
What is this
http://www.trainweb.org/jssand/016Web.jpg
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 7:40 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wine Tank Cars


Rod Miller wrote:
> Directly behind the loco are at least two (the center two) wine tank
> cars. It isn't possible to see if the first car has additional
> domes. I suspect all four are a block of wine cars.

There were single-dome wine cars as well as multiple-dome cars.

> If someone knows where I can find out more about wine transport by
> rail (beyond Jim Lancaster's Chateau
> Martin site and what has been discussed here previously), I'd
> appreciate them letting me know.

Richard Hendrickson may want to chime in here--because I
know he's preparing to give a clinic at Naperville ENTIRELY about wine
tank cars, and a written version of it will be published in due course.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Missing links

Armand Premo
 

Richard,My original post initiating this thread indicated a regional bias.I expected that,but even within regions there seems to be little or no consensus on the most needed .Reefers and tank cars on the one hand stock cars and hoppers on the other.However there seems to be a greater degree of interest with rebuilt single sheathed cars .The variety is staggering.Even flat kits would be difficult to produce and market by other than resin sources.Cross kitting,if I can use that term, would offer one solution.I am doubtful that any company would undertake such a project .Des Plaines' Viking roof has provided options otherwise not available.A variety of sides,ends and under frames would find a market.Fearing to offend some of our brethren,"Ready -to-Run" will not provide the variety that we seek.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Missing links


On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Armand Premo wrote:

> What did I get myself into? This thread has offered many
> suggestions,but
> there seems to be so many differing ideas as to just what is needed
> that
> coming to any degree of consensus seems next to impossible.

And you're surprised? Come on, Armand, what prototype modelers most
need varies all over the map according to the date and location they
model. The eastern RR guys foam at the mouth about hopper cars,
whereas the five hopper models I already have are about four more
than I really need. Lately we've had a thread about southeastern RR
ventilated box cars in watermelon service. Now, I'll grant that
those cars traveled widely in the off season when they were used as
XMs, so I can maybe justify having one, but definitely not with the
ventilator doors in place and a load of watermelons inside. Out
west, watermelons weren't an important crop and what there were of
them were usually shipped in stock cars.

I'm a strong supporter of Tangent Models because I think David is
making intelligent choices of prototypes and is raising the bar on
quality and accuracy, but I'm not going to buy one of his new gons
for the simple reason that the first of them were built about a year
too late for me to operate them on my 10/47 diorama. On the other
hand, as we've recently been discussing, many list members have
little justification for USRA box car and gondola models because
almost all of them had been retired or rebuilt by the 1950s.

No wonder consensus seems next to impossible.

And, having said that, I'll propose some prototypes that I think many
of us really do need. Certainly the UTLX X-3 and GATC Type 30 tank
cars that others have mentioned are high on the list for just about
everyone, as they were very numerous all over North America from the
1930s through the 1960s. How about postwar AAR steel box cars with
3/4 IDEs and 10'0" IH? Several major RRs owned bunches of these,
including NYC, B&O, C&O, NH, and SP. Personally, what I most want
are single sheathed box cars built before 1932, as these cars are
ubiquitous in the train and yard photos from the 1940s and '50s. The
problem is, there were hardly any two alike, so what's a manufacturer
of styrene models to do? Sure, a lot of them are available in resin,
but building the number of such cars I need from resin kits would
consume a lot of time an effort I'd rather devote to other things.
I'll support the idea of a good model of an MDT wood reefer, as
well. Personally, I only need one (if that) but they were very
common in the eastern half of the country throughout the steam and
transition eras and had, at various times, a wide variety of
different P/L schemes. I'd really like a good styrene model of a 6K
gal. HP chlorine tank car; unfortunately the Trix disaster poisoned
the well on that one. I think there's a good market for a 6K gal.
three compartment AC&F tank car, too, as there are many authentic P/L
schemes for those, including some colorful private owner versions for
the train set bozos.

Anyway, talk is cheap. What manufacturers need are not yet more
ideas for future projects but detailed drawings and extensive photo
and data coverage. Even being able to provide those is (as some of
us know all too well) no guarantee that something will come of it,
but without them the brightest idea in the world is a non-starter.

Richard Hendrickson








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Re: Wine Tank Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rod Miller wrote:
Directly behind the loco are at least two (the center two) wine tank cars. It isn't possible to see if the first car has additional domes. I suspect all four are a block of wine cars.
There were single-dome wine cars as well as multiple-dome cars.

If someone knows where I can find out more about wine transport by rail (beyond Jim Lancaster's Chateau
Martin site and what has been discussed here previously), I'd appreciate them letting me know.
Richard Hendrickson may want to chime in here--because I know he's preparing to give a clinic at Naperville ENTIRELY about wine tank cars, and a written version of it will be published in due course.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Oil Distributor and Wine Tank Cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

Found this in Eureka, Kansas. What is it?
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Rod Miller
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 7:10 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Oil Distributor and Wine Tank Cars


This photo on eBay

http://tinyurl.com/ygyqql9

has a couple of interesting aspects.

For Gordon who was asking about oil distributors, it
shows a portion of the Standard Oil distributor's
facility.

Directly behind the loco are at least two (the
center two) wine tank cars. The dome diameter on
the fourth car indicates wine - see

http://users.snowcrest.net/photobob/sj23.html

It isn't possible
to see if the first car has additional domes. I
suspect all four are a block of wine cars. If
someone knows where I can find out more about wine
transport by rail (beyond Jim Lancaster's Chateau
Martin site and what has been discussed here
previously), I'd appreciate them letting me know.

Rod


Re: CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon and related uses out of season

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bob McCarthy wrote:
FGEX was created by the UP and SP to forward western produce east. Both railroads had ventilator cars, but moved to iced reefers starting on 1906 to move perishable cargo to the east coast.
All three "facts" cited here are wrong. UP and SP created PFE, not FGE; both had iced refrigerator cars long before 1906, and were using them, often in solid trains to the east, long before 1906.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Oil industry info sought

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Tony, thanks for the correction. As always I am continually learning, including learning what I thought I knew but did not.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Oil Distributor and Wine Tank Cars

W.R.Dixon
 

Rod Miller wrote:
This photo on eBay
http://tinyurl.com/ygyqql9
has a couple of interesting aspects.
For Gordon who was asking about oil distributors, it
shows a portion of the Standard Oil distributor's
facility.
Directly behind the loco are at least two (the
center two) wine tank cars. The dome diameter on
the fourth car indicates wine - see
The first car behind the tender looks to be a three dome car converted from a single dome car. Notice the large center dome and the two smaller domes flanking that.

The second car appears to be the same.

The third card is a six dome wine car.

The fourth car appears to be a single dome car of the same kinship as the first two cars.

Bill Dixon


Oil Distributor and Wine Tank Cars

Rod Miller
 

This photo on eBay

http://tinyurl.com/ygyqql9

has a couple of interesting aspects.

For Gordon who was asking about oil distributors, it
shows a portion of the Standard Oil distributor's
facility.

Directly behind the loco are at least two (the
center two) wine tank cars. The dome diameter on
the fourth car indicates wine - see

http://users.snowcrest.net/photobob/sj23.html

It isn't possible
to see if the first car has additional domes. I
suspect all four are a block of wine cars. If
someone knows where I can find out more about wine
transport by rail (beyond Jim Lancaster's Chateau
Martin site and what has been discussed here
previously), I'd appreciate them letting me know.

Rod


Re: Wanted: CofG ventilater kit

Jim King
 

Bill,



I produced 100 vent boxes with the new roof for the CGHS earlier this year.
They have sold well; not sure if Allen still has some but you can contact
him via the CGRHS web site. He's also close to selling out the pulpwood
racks I made last year . a very popular car.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>

97401 - 97420 of 183261